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Welcome to another installment of Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ.

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This is the channel that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God. So we need to have a brutally honest conversation.

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A brutally honest conversation about the modern manifestation of tongues that is prevalent throughout the

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Pentecostal and charismatic and NAR churches. And I'm gonna say something up front that's gonna really upset a bunch of people, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

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This isn't the biblical gift of tongues. What's going on in these circles is the largest game of make -believe and the longest running game of make -believe in the history of mankind.

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I'll back it up, but I'm gonna stand on that. This is not at all what is being described historically, what occurred in the

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Christian Church during the Apostolic Era, especially on the day of Pentecost. I'll prove it biblically.

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So for some of you, these are gonna be fighting words. Okay, fine.

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The idea here is that unless you can give me a biblical argument with sound exegesis,

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I'm gonna go with what the Bible actually says, and you'll get the idea. So let's do this. Let's whirl up the desktop, and we are going to pull up our web browser.

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We have multiple sources we're gonna be going at today. We're not gonna look at one particular person.

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We'll look at another portion of a video put together by Jubilee Dons, the former

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BSSM student who's come out. This is the lady who, it turns out it was Sean Bowles, the

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Google prophet, the guy who mines Facebook pages to give prophecies.

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It was he who gave the so -called prophecy, prophecy that she believed was from God that led her to make a decision to marry an abuser and do so at whirlwind speeds, which didn't allow her to make any good cognitive evaluations regarding that marriage, but that's a whole other story.

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So let's do this. We're going to look at a little bit of footage, a little bit of footage from the recent night of the first night of the

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Voice of the Apostles put on by Global Awakening, Randy Clark's organization, and we're gonna listen to Heidi Baker, and we're going to see her babbling, not in tongues, in gibberish.

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Again, my basic premise behind all of this is that the modern manifestation of tongues is the longest -running game of make -believe in the history of mankind.

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Again, I'll prove it, but let's listen in to Heidi Baker from the Voice of the Apostles.

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She's not an apostle, not of Jesus Christ, and since the the word apostolos in Greek means somebody who sent, it's like an emissary,

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I would say, okay, well, if you want to say that she's an apostle, she's not an apostle of Jesus Christ, she's an emissary, an apostle of Beelzebub, of Satan, or something like that.

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But listen in to this opening portion, and by the way, Todd White is in the audience.

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I don't know if I'll get to the part where they cut away to show him, but he's there at Randy Clark's Voice of the

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Apostles, and just a minute or so of Heidi Baker rambling on incoherently.

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You want God to move, you want God to crush it on you. Pray, pray for them, pray for them.

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Sheikah robo -siah. Wake them up, God. Sheikah robo -siah. That's not a human language, that's gibberish.

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And why is she speaking in tongues without an interpreter?

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The Bible forbids this when Christ's body gets together. I'm just saying, I have a biblical text that says that too, but let's continue.

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Holy Spirit crash in on him. Lord move. Father, you could do anything through any of us, and together,

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Lord, with us, little people laying down before your throne, God. You could shake, you could shake, you could shake.

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Grab a prophecy bingo card. You could shake people awake, Lord. Sheikah robo -siah.

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Sheikah robo -siah. Again, gibberish. This is all a big game of Pour out oil tonight,

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God, that shifts everything. God, you could pour out oil on us. You could pour out oil on us.

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You, ho, sheikah robo -siah. Lord, we pray. Ho, sheikah robo -siah.

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What is that? That's not the Holy Spirit. This is not the Holy Spirit giving her utterance.

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Why would the Holy Spirit have her speaking in gibberish? Yeah, this is all some part of some kind of weird,

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I would say, like, demonic ruse, you know, because they're the people sitting and going, oh, she's so holy.

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She has such deep fellowship and relationship with the Holy Spirit that she just loses control of herself and goes off into the sheikah robo -siah, you know, whoa kind of stuff.

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I ain't the Holy Spirit. Pray for oil on us, Lord. We pray for oil on us, on us.

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Oil, oil, oil, oil, oil, oil. Pray for oil on us. Pray, pray, pray, pray.

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Isn't this an example of vain repetition? Jesus taught against that.

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See Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapter 5 through 7, for more detail. Pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, pray.

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Oil on us, oil on us. Pray, pray, pray, pray. We're praying. We're praying oil on us. Hiyataya. Fresh bread, fresh bread, fresh bread, fresh bread.

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Hiyataya. Hiyataya, shatoreya. Fresh, fresh, itaraba. Fresh, fresh, here it comes.

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He's crashing in already, oh people. Pray, pray, pray, pray, pray. More, more, more, more, more. Pray more, more, more, more, more.

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She's not actually praying. She's just vainly repeating completely empty words and throwing in some gibberish on the side to make it somehow appear that this is some kind of unction of the

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Holy Spirit, but it's not. It's not at all. So, let's kind of switch gears a little bit here.

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I'm going to play a portion of a video. Again, we're going to rely upon the eyewitness testimony of Jubilee Dawns, and she is a former

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BSSM student, and here's the thing. If you've been in the Charismatic Movement, it doesn't matter if you've been to Bethel.

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It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. If you've been in Pentecostal Church's Charismatic Movement or whatever, then her experience is going to sound eerily like yours.

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Oh, it's going to sound eerily, eerily like yours, because you know what? It sounds very similar to my experience when my wife and I were in the latter reign.

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The same type of pressure, the same push to force people to have the gift of tongues, all based on false doctrine, by the way.

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We'll show that in a minute, but let's listen to Jubilee Dawns as she explains how at 17 years old, you know, as she was getting ready to head over to Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry, and when she gets there, how she was pressured into faking that she had the gift of tongues.

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Listen to this. I was wondering if I spoke in tongues. Technically, yes. Do I think it was real? No. The first time

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I tried to speak in tongues was right after the Heidi Baker thing that got me into Bethel in the first place.

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So I was hanging out with my family. We had just watched the Finger of God, and they were trying to get me to speak in tongues, and I was 17 at the time, and they told me

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I totally forgot about this the other day until Mackenzie reminded me, but they told me to go into a room and to not come out until I was speaking in tongues.

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So go to your room until you speak in tongues. Does that sound at all like how

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God gave the gift of tongues in the scriptures? No, and it's not even the gift of tongues.

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Guys, the shame of when I came out of that room and I was like, didn't happen, guys, and it was low -key really embarrassing.

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So when I got to Bethel... Right. Shame and embarrassment because you didn't have the gift of tongues.

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If you've been in the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements, this is your story too. When you were first introduced to this, you were told that God wants to give you this gift, and you've got to be worthy, and you just got to let go, you got to turn your mind off, start off by saying goo goo ga ga or something like that.

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No kidding, no kidding. Let's continue as she tells more of her story. Most people were speaking in tongues. So I really wanted to speak in tongues.

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Bethel taught that if you had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, then anybody can speak in tongues. Which is completely 180 degrees opposite of what the

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Bible says. Again, I'll prove it. So there definitely was this fake -it -till -you -make -it kind of vibe.

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I had heard from a few different students that you just... Fake -it -till -you -make -it vibe.

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How about fake it and then continuing to fake it? That's what people do. You just had to get over the hurdle.

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You just had to get over the hurdle of starting, and then God would meet you where you were at. I was told that when

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I was in the latter rain. So was my wife. So I had a roommate who was like, you will speak in tongues tonight.

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So we were laying on her floor and she was like, okay, we're gonna do this. You're gonna speak in tongues.

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I was like, okay, I'm prepared for the mission, right? And she's like, just start talking. And I was like, start talking what?

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I don't speak in tongues. And she's like, just start making noises and then it'll come and God will meet you.

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You're going out in faith and God is just going to come and meet you where you are. Where in the

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Bible does it say this? Where do we see this modeled in the book of Acts as far as how people receive the ability by God the

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Holy Spirit to speak in a human language they haven't studied? You will be speaking in tongues. So guys,

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I just started doing it. That's what happens.

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You cave in to the pressure. You're told a lie.

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God wants everybody to speak in tongues. If you have the Holy Spirit, this gift is for you. He wants to give you your secret prayer language, all this kind of stuff.

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Push, push, push, push, push, push. And what did she say? You fake it till you make it. And so when she was under this pressure in this really awkward situation, what did she do?

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She caved. And so many of you out there in the audience who've been in the charismatic movement, you know what?

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This is your story too, isn't it? Was it real? No. Okay.

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Was it real? No. So you get the idea.

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Let's do a little biblical work. And then we'll take a look at what the scripture says regarding these things.

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And we're going to throw in a little bit of history with the help of Daniel Long's channel. There's a video we're going to play a portion of called

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The Tongues Delusion, and y 'all need to see this. But let's get into the scripture, shall we?

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And I'm going to start off by pointing out that there is a prophecy that Isaiah prophesied against stubborn, rebellious, idolatrous

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Israel. And it's fulfilled, and you'll see this fulfilled because it's going to be quoted in 1

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Corinthians 14. And this is going to help us. Here God is prophesying through the real prophet

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Isaiah of something that's going to happen, and it's a sign to unbelieving

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Jews. Here's what it says. For by people of strange lips and with a foreign tongue,

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Yahweh will speak to this people, to whom he has said, this is rest, give rest to the weary, and this is repose, yet they would not hear.

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So God promised to do something by having people speak to them in foreign languages and call them to the real rest that is in Christ and the gospel through true faith in him and not mixing it with idolatry and stuff like this.

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And what did God say? Even when I do that, they're not going to listen. They won't hear.

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This is going to play into it. So you need to understand. You go back in time, and God prophesied this.

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The apostle Paul pulls this text forward in 1 Corinthians 14 and says that it's fulfilled and then uses that to explain what is the purpose of the gift, the biblical gift of tongues, which nobody had to fake till they make at all.

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They didn't have to fake it at all. So let's do this. We're going to go to the book of Acts, and we're just going to look at what happens when this appears.

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Then we're going to work through the charismatic and Pentecostal's favorite text, 1

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Corinthians 12, 13, and 14. We're going to put everything back in context with its proper understanding from Acts 2 as well as Isaiah 28, and we're going to understand what it really is and what it's really all about.

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Here we go. So when the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. Suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind.

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It filled the entire house where they were sitting, and divided tongues as a fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.

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And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the

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Spirit gave them utterance. Now, so here's your Greek phrase, lalein heterais glosais.

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So heterais means other, glosais means tongues, and we're going to note that the word tongues is a little bit vague, but thankfully the

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Holy Spirit knows how to use a thesaurus. So there are synonyms in this passage that explain to us, and not only that, and further descriptions and details that help us understand what it means to lalein heterais glosais, to speak in other tongues.

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And note, as it goes on, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

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When the Holy Spirit truly gives somebody the ability to speak in tongues, or I'm going to say other languages, that He gives them that utterance, there's not a thing they need to learn.

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They don't have to fake anything. It's not like they were sitting up there in the upper room and going, well, you know,

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Jesus said He was going to send the Holy Spirit, and so we know from Isaiah's prophecy that we should be able to speak in other languages, and so I need somebody to just shout out ga -ga -goo -goo, and get past the hump, and get over the hurdle and thingies and stuff, so that we can finally start speaking in tongues.

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No, the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. There was no blockages whatsoever.

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Now, there were dwelling, and watch how the details work here. There were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven, and at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.

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So, here we have another phrase, and this phrase is the synonym to heterosexuals, other tongues, and the word is idea dialecto.

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So, dialecto comes from the Greek word dialectos. That sounds like dialect. That's how it comes down into the

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English language, and it means language. So, what is heterosexuals? It's the ability to speak in a human language.

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So, if you've never spoken Japanese, God the

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Holy Spirit would give you the miraculous ability to proclaim the Christ in Japanese, and here's kind of the kicker to it.

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You may not even understand what you're saying. That's the weird bit, but you'll see this when we look at the cross references.

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So, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language, they were all amazed and astonished, saying, are not all these who are speaking

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Galileans? You know, so I don't know if that means that what was happening is that the

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Galileans, who were filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in other languages, were speaking with a Galilean accent still.

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You know, and Galilee is kind of described in the New Testament in terms kind of like Alabama.

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It's kind of like Redneckville or something. And so, you know, were they, you know, was somebody going, ego ga wakariboska, y 'all?

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I don't know. But anyway, so are they not all

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Galileans? How is it? Now, watch how this works then. How is it that we hear each of us in his own native, here we go again, dialectos, dialect, and now we have a list of different languages.

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Parthenians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both

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Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own, here we go, glossis, so dialectos, language, and tongues are synonyms.

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We are hearing them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God. And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, what does this mean?

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But others mocked, said, well, they're filled with new wine. Okay, so this is a sign. And as I've already pointed out, this is exactly what

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God prophesied he would do all the way back in the days of Isaiah. For by people of strange lips and with a foreign tongue, the

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Lord will speak to this people to whom he has said, this is rest, give rest to the weary, and this is repose, yet they would not hear.

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There's a whole bunch of people, and so note here, God is fulfilling his prophecy to Isaiah, and some are saying, ah, they're only filled with new wine.

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Complete fulfillment of the prophecy, right? And this prophecy will continue to be fulfilled throughout the book of Acts, but you're going to see what's going on here.

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There's a function, there's a reason. Tongues are a sign gift. Tongues are not primarily for the purpose of building up the body of Christ.

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Tongues are a sign to unbelievers and specifically unbelieving Israelites. So keep that in mind as we then work this out.

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Now then Peter goes on and preaches his great sermon of Pentecost, but now we know what tongues is. Now here we're going to do a little historical break.

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I'm going to come back here, and if you are familiar with the history of the

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Pentecostal movement, Charles Fox Parham is considered to be by many, by millions, to be the founding father of the modern

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Pentecostal movement. Now I'm not going to go into his sexual peccadillos because those exist and they're horrifying.

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I'm not going to go into his money schemes and cons that he engaged in because he did.

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I'm going to point you to Dan Long's channel, Long for Truth, where he unpacks all of this stuff, but here's the thing.

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If you know the history of the Pentecostal movement, Charles Fox Parham's group there in Topeka, Kansas, he claimed that God had restored the gift of tongues to the people at his

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Bethel school in Topeka, Kansas, and it was like on New Year's Eve, a particular year, and here's the thing.

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They not only believed that God had done this, but knowing what the

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Bible says regarding what tongues is, it's the ability to speak a foreign language you haven't studied, they went with what the

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Bible actually says, and the results were horrifyingly embarrassing, and I want you to listen to Dan Long as he explains to us, from newspaper accounts of the times, of the times that this took place, just what ended up happening because they rightly understood what tongues was, the ability to miraculously speak a human language you haven't studied to proclaim the wonders of God.

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So, listen in. Here we are over at newspapers .com. We're looking at the Honolulu Advisor from May 31st, 1901.

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This is the article right here. New kind of missionaries, envoys to the heathen, should have gift of tongues.

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Topeka, May 20th, Reverend Charles F. Parham of the College of Bethel at Topeka and his followers are preparing to give the people of the churches some new work along the line of missionary endeavor.

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His plan is to send among the heathen persons who have been blessed with the gift of tongues, a gift which he says no others have ever had conferred upon them since apostolic times.

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Now, note, here's the thing. I've made this claim before, and this is even just further proof.

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Okay, there are people out there who call themselves continuationists, right? Why? Why is it that the father of the

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Pentecostal movement, I mean, played such an instrumental role in the founding of the AOG and other things.

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Why wasn't he a continuationist? Huh. You know why? Because these gifts didn't continue.

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And so, Parham, at the time, and nobody can claim to be a continuationist at the time of the early part of the 20th century when these so -called gifts were restored.

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He legitimately said, okay, and this is a quote from him, okay, that a gift, talking about the gift of tongues, a gift which he says no others have ever had conferred upon them since the apostolic times, that was his claim.

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Does that sound like a cessationist to you? Or does that sound like a continuationist to you?

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Charles Fox Parham was a cessationist. Okay? So, keep this in mind.

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Now, granted, there were some earlier manifestations of the gift of tongues.

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Think of the Shakers and the Mormons. Those are not things that Pentecostals want to point to, by the way, that predate

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Parham. And I would note Parham actually visited Sanford's compound just like six, seven months before the gift of tongues appeared in Topeka, Kansas.

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And the Sanfordites were claiming that they had already received the gift of tongues by this time.

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But nobody wants to point to Sanford because that guy legitimately starved his people to death and was convicted of manslaughter for it.

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But that's a whole other story. But Fox Parham clearly was inspired by his trip to Sanford's compound just six months, seven months earlier.

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Just keep all that in mind. So, let's come back to Dan Long's reading of the historical account.

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So, Fox Parham has said, no one has had the gift of tongues since apostolic times. That's a cessationist, if you ask me.

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His missionaries, as he points out, will have the great advantages of having the languages of the various peoples among whom they work miraculously conferred upon them and will not be put to the trouble of learning them in the laborious way by which they are acquired by other prospective missionaries.

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So, believing that God had restored the gift of tongues, knowing full well what the tongues is the miraculous ability to proclaim the wonders of God in human languages,

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Parham believed that God had restored this ability and that it would supercharge missionary endeavors by giving people the gift of tongues.

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They would never have to study other languages. They can go straight to the mission field and would have results in converting pagans and heathens to Christ.

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This isn't going to end well. Our summer Bible school will begin in Topeka, June 10th, said

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Reverend Mr. Parham last night. It will be held on the campus of the college. We are expecting thousands of missionaries, evangelists, and other people from all parts of the

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United States who desire to become missionaries to attend. There is no doubt that at this time they will have conferred on them the gift of tongues if they are worthy and seek it in faith, believing.

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If they are worthy and seek it in faith. Okay, all right, we'll get into a bit more biblical text here in a minute, but we'll debunk that too.

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They will thus be made able to talk to the people whom they choose to work among in their own language, which will, of course, be an inestimable advantage.

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The students of Bethel College do not need to study in the old way to learn the languages.

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They have them conferred upon them miraculously. Different ones have already been able to converse with Spaniards, Italians, Bohemians, Hungarians, Germans, and French in their own language.

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Proof, please. I have no doubt that knowledge of Chinese, Japanese, the various dialects of the people of India, and even the language of the savages of Africa will be received during our meeting in the same way.

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You can just see the train wreck that's coming. Somebody heading off to Japan to be a missionary to the

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Japanese and going, could have bought a Hyundai, should have bought a Kia. And the Japanese person going,

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I don't understand. I expect this gathering, watch this, to be the greatest since the days of Pentecost.

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What an arrogant statement that is. That's right, because he fully believed that this was a miraculous ability, as the

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Scripture says, to speak in known human languages. And did those students, those who desire to become missionaries, go over to foreign countries and converse with the heathen in their own languages?

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Well, they did go to foreign countries. The last part, no. Well, let's find out.

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Let's look at an article now from the Evening Times Republican, March 7th, 1908, just a few years later.

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This is the article right here, Tongue Deluded Missionaries. The movement known as the

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Gift of Tongue seems to prove a curious delusion to those who attempt to test it practically.

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Missionary S. C. Todd of the Bible Missionary Society writes from Mako, China, of investigations he made in the three great mission fields of the world,

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China, Japan, and India, concerning four different groups of workers who have come out thinking that their gift of tongues was a language with which they could speak to the people.

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He adds that all of these, when arriving on the field, found they were mistaken and that they could not preach to the people any more than other missionaries who never heard of the power to speak in tongues.

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Some of the deluded ones have found means to get to the east only to meet disaster and poverty there.

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Many who speak in tongues and feel they are called to the mission field are wholly unprepared by nature or training to be missionaries and yet are starting for the field.

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One woman in the United States wrote to the missionary that her 14 -year -old daughter has the gift of tongues and can speak in some dozen or more languages.

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This child feels called to China. Specific cases are given in the

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Baptist Argus Louisville by this writer. Thus, I have been asked about a certain

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Mr. McIntosh. Notwithstanding his statements that he expected to preach at once to the people, he has been wholly unable to do so.

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He must not only have an interpreter in preaching, but also in the simplest affairs of everyday life.

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From the day of his arrival in China until now, neither he nor his wife has been able to speak a single sentence in Chinese.

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I do not speak from rumor, but from personal knowledge and the personal admission of failure by Mr.

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McIntosh himself. So, let's kind of summarize where we are so far.

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When we look at the scriptures, at what the gift of tongues is, when it appears it is a fulfillment of Isaiah 28, 11 and 12, that God would speak to unbelievers, this would be a sign to them, unbelieving

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Israelites, and that people of foreign speech would speak to them, and God would be speaking through them, and even then they would not listen.

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It is a sign gift to unbelievers. That's what the scripture says.

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And it's the miraculous ability to speak a human language that you haven't studied.

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Parthenians, Medes, Elamites, residents of Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus in Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, and all these things.

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So, when the earliest Pentecostals believed that they had received the gift of tongues, they thought rightly that that would be the ability to go to the mission field and preach to people in a language they hadn't studied.

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Were they able to? No, because what were they speaking?

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Gibberish. You think of Agnes Osmond, okay, this is the key woman who, you know, when she asked

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Charles Fox Parham to pray over her New Year's Eve, was it 1901?

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I think it was like 1901, and she for three days couldn't speak

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English. She could only speak and write in Chinese. Well, here's kind of the most embarrassing bit.

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They kept a copy of her miraculous ability to write in Chinese, and there it is.

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That ain't Chinese. That's gibberish. A friend of mine who could actually read some

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Chinese told me, well, there is one Chinese character in this mess, and it's that little cross down here in the left -hand corner.

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That's the Chinese character for 10, the number 10. But, yeah, that's pretty darn embarrassing.

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But that's, they were trying to link it back to known human languages, and Charles Fox Parham stuck to his guns that these are human languages.

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So, what happened? Well, eventually, with all of these embarrassing stories that, you know, of people going to the mission field to go and preach to the heathen in their native languages because these people had been endowed with the gift of tongues, and then these people having to come back with their tail between their legs, you know, having to scrape up enough money to get back to America, you know, they had to rethink all of this.

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And so, other groups then decided that what they were going to do was they were going to manipulate the scriptures.

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I know this is not what they intended, but this is what they ended up doing. They manipulated the scriptures to make it fit their experience.

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Well, we must assume that this is the Holy Spirit, so it's got to be something different than human languages, right?

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And so, nowadays, you know, come after these early embarrassments,

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Pentecostals believe, oh, well, tongues is the ability to pray to God in a heavenly spirit language kind of thing.

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And so, they teach all kinds of nonsense. Let me give you an example, okay? John Bevere, okay?

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He has a series of videos about learning how to speak in tongues, and he's going to ask the question, why would

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God give us this particular language? Well, listen to his explanation, and you'll see what's going on.

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All right, let me give you a little, another little glimpse. If I walk into the president of the United States office, right?

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I walk right into the Oval Office. Mr. President, how do you do, sir? Can I communicate to him on his level? No. He knows so many things about the security of the

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United States, what's going on in the government. He's going to have to come down and talk to me on my level. Well, when

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I walk into the king of the universe's office, if I can only pray in English, then

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I can only communicate to God on my level. God says,

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I don't want this with my kids. I want my kids able to go into deep fellowship to be able to communicate to me on my level.

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Where does the Bible say that? Where does the Bible teach that God's going to give Christians a spiritual language so that they can communicate to God on God's level?

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No biblical text says it at all. Didn't God create all the other languages on the planet?

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Where in scripture does it say that, you know, if I pray to God in my native language, which happens to be

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American English, you know, with a Southern California accent to it, right?

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If, where in scripture does it say that if I'm communicating with God in English that somehow

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I'm not communicating to God on His level? And God didn't want me to talk to Him on that level.

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He wants to give me a whole other way to talk to Him. No biblical text says this. So, what you see here in John Bevere is the residue of the retooling of the understanding of the gift of tongues to make it fit with the experiences of the people, you know, like at Azusa Street and Charles Fox Parham's group out there in Bethel in Topeka, Kansas and other places.

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And so, since they clearly are not able to communicate with people in other languages, what is this?

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Oh, well, this is a language to help us to be able to speak to God on His level. Says no biblical text anywhere.

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Oh, okay. Well, what else? Listen to this. God says, I'm going to give you help. His name's the Holy Spirit. Do you know there's many times

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I'm praying in the Holy Spirit that it's English? Some people say, think the only time you pray in the Spirit is when you're praying in an unknown language.

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No, there's times I'll pray in that. Praying in the Spirit is praying in faith. No language. And all of a sudden I'll pray for the interpretation.

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Here comes English. Because what's happening? I'm getting what the Holy Spirit's giving me and it's in English. Are you with me?

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No, I'm not. Because no biblical text teaches this. If it's not in the Bible, it's not biblical. Quod non es biblicum non es biblicum.

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It's not biblical. It's not biblical. Okay, where in the Bible does it say any of these things? Answer, it doesn't.

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This is a great example of the bizarre narrative, false doctrine that has enshrouded to protect this experience.

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People aren't saying, hey, listen, Charles Fox Parham got it wrong. This isn't the gift of tongues. This is probably a deceiving spirit or something else.

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They double down and say, oh, this is definitely the Holy Spirit. So what are we to make of it since we can't speak Chinese on the mission field?

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Well, this is going to be some language that God gave us so that we can supercharge our fellowship with him and stuff.

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Uh -huh. Right. Says no biblical text. So can you understand that why would the president of the

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United States not want to tell me about all the securities? I could be a spy. He doesn't want that information getting into the wrong hand, correct? Now here's another part of the narrative.

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Well, tongues keep the enemy from knowing what's going on. How many? I heard this in the latter rain.

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If you've been in Pentecostal charismatic, oh yeah. Tongues is a, is a heavenly prayer language that makes it impossible for Satan to know what's being said.

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Where in the Bible does it say that? It doesn't.

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So what's going on here? Okay. Well, you got people being pressured to fake it till they make it and forced, forced, forced, forced, forced to speak in tongues.

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And so what do they do? They fake it and they pretend and they play along.

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And in the history of the Pentecostal movement, they understood rightly that tongues is a, is an ability to speak a language you haven't studied that's a human language so people can hear the wonders of God proclaimed in their, in their human languages.

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This is what the scripture says, right? So and, and so since that didn't turn out to be the case and so many people returned from the mission field completely embarrassed and impoverished by the fiasco, the foolishness of believing that they could, that they had received the gift of tongues, they had to retool it.

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So what is it? Oh, it's a, it's a heavenly prayer language so that you can talk on God's level and keep

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Satan from knowing what you're praying about. But in order for this to be biblical, the

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Bible has to teach it, but it doesn't. So you're starting to see the problem here. And the problem is, is that this is not a proper understanding of tongues.

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So what does the Bible then teach? Okay. So we know when it appears it's the ability to speak a human language.

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Well, let's go on. Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 says this, there are varieties of gifts, varieties.

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Okay. God doesn't give a singular gift to everybody. So every Pentecostal out there claiming, if you're a

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Christian and you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you can speak in tongues. That's not what the 1

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Corinthians 12 says. It says the exact opposite. There are varieties of gifts, but the same spirit.

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There are varieties of service, but the same Lord. There are varieties of activities, but it's the same

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God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the spirit for the common good.

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So God, the Holy Spirit gives manifestations of the spirit for what? The common good, the building up of the body of Christ.

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For to one is given through the spirit, the utterance of wisdom to another, the utterance of knowledge, according to the same spirit, another faith by the same spirit, another gifts of healing by the one spirit.

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So no, we are talking about a variety of gifts to another, the working of miracles to another prophecy, to another, the ability to distinguish between spirits.

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That's the gift of discernment to another various kinds of tongues. And we know from Acts that this is various kinds of languages, human languages, and to another, the interpretation of tongues.

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And here's what we're learning here from this text. There are legitimately people who had the miraculous ability to speak in a language they haven't studied, and they didn't even know what they were saying.

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And so there were others who were able to interpret. And Paul's going to basically say, if you have this gift to be able to speak in another human language, then you need to pray that God would give you the interpretation.

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So watch what he says. So all of these are empowered by one in the same spirit who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

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So there's no point in forcing anything. You can't force the Holy Spirit to give you a gift he hasn't given you.

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For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many are one body, so it is with Christ.

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For in one spirit, we were all baptized into one body. Jews or Greeks, slaves or free, all were made to drink of the one spirit.

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For the body does not consist of one member, but of many. The foot should say, well, because I'm not a hand,

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I don't belong to the body, that would not make it any less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, well, because I'm not an eye,

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I do not belong to the body, that would not make it any less a part of the body. So you know, gifts of the spirit are designed to fill out different body parts within the body of Christ.

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If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?

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But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as He chose.

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If all were a single member, where would the body be? And note, the gift of being able to speak in other tongues was listed among the different gifts.

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If all spoke in tongues, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.

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The eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of you, or again, the head to the feet, I have no need of you. On the contrary, the part of the body that seems to be weaker are indispensable, and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable, we bestow greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, which our more presentable require.

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But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.

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If one member suffers, all suffer together. If one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ.

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Paul's not arguing for one gift to be held by everybody, it's the exact opposite.

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You are all the body of Christ, and individually you are members of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

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And again, I go through this regularly, but I'll keep pointing it out. The series of questions that are then asked must be answered in the negative, because there is this tiny little

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Greek particle, me, asked in these questions, which necessitates that the answer to each of these questions is no.

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Are all apostles, me pontes apostoloi, no. Me pontes prophetai, are all prophets, no.

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Me pontes didoscoloi, are all teachers, no. Again, me is here. Me pontes deudemes, do all work miracles, no.

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Me pontes charismata exsusen iamaton, do all possess gifts of healing, no.

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Me pontes glossis lalusen, do all speak in tongues, again, no.

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Me pontes, you know, you get the idea, right? Do all interpret, no, no, no.

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So, do all speak in tongues? The answer is no. The charismatic and Pentecostal doctrine that the sign that you have been baptized with the

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Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation is that you speak in tongues is false.

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It contradicts the Word of God. God's Word says not all speak in tongues, not all are prophets either, and there's no way around it.

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Anybody telling you, oh, anybody who's a Christian, God wants you to have this language, they're lying.

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They are contradicting the actual Word of God and the whole thrust and the warp and woof of 1

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Corinthians 12, which says that God gives various gifts, right? So, Paul goes on.

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I will you still a more excellent way, chapter 13.

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So, if I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I have not love, I'm a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

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And if I have prophetic powers and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have faith so as to remove mountains, but I have not love,

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I'm nothing. If I give away all that I have and I deliver my body to be burned, but I have not love,

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I gain nothing. Love is patient. It's kind. Love does not envy or boast. It's not arrogant or rude.

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It does not insist on its own way. It is not irritable or resentful. It does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

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Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

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Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away. As for tongues, they will cease.

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As for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

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When I was a child, I spoke like a child. I thought like a child. I reasoned like a child, but when I became a man,

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I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, then

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I shall know fully as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide these three, but the greatest of these is love."

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Now I'm not going to get into how to interpret this part. That would have to be an entire episode of fighting for the faith.

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Suffice it to say, I do not believe the Charismatics or the people who claim that they're continuationists, despite the fact that all of their theological forebears in the

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Pentecostal and Charismatic movements were all cessationists. Yeah, that's historically awkward, okay?

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Um, you know, I don't think they're correctly handling this text, but that's for a different episode, okay?

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Chapter 14. So here's Paul's then admonition. There's a reason why he's writing this.

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The people in the church, the church members in Corinth, that was a messed up church. I mean, legitimate.

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You had people abusing the gifts of the Spirit. You had people who were rich keeping the poor in the congregation from having the

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Lord's Supper, and they did that by consuming all of the elements and even getting drunk on the communion wine.

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That's, that was a thing. You read 1 Corinthians. Then you had a guy who was sleeping with his father's wife, and they were happy and proud of that.

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Just crazy stuff going on there in the church of Corinth. So Paul is giving the corrective at this point, and the corrective is sound doctrine.

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Watch what he does. And to put order in place where there's all this disorder, so pursue love and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

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Now note, just because it says earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, and especially that you may prophesy, doesn't mean that everybody can prophesy.

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Just because you desire it doesn't mean you're going to give it. God gives different body parts, okay? And prophecy, by the way, is not the ability to tell fortunes.

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That's what it's pretty much become in the Pentecostal, Charismatic, Bethel, NAR kind of churches.

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It's like fortune telling. Oh, you know, God is telling me that he's going to be releasing breakthroughs and suddenlies and stuff like that.

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That's not prophecy. You want to know what prophecy is? Read the prophets of the Old Testament. The prophecy is the ability to speak

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God's law, to convict people of their sin, and to call them to repentance and faith in Christ.

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It's the ability to forth tell God's words. And that's the reason why when

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Peter, talking to, you know, to pastors in the church, says that they are to preach as if they are preaching the very oracles of God, because they are, because the scriptures are the oracles of God.

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So anybody who is a true teacher of the scriptures is also speaking prophetically, because prophecy isn't fortune telling.

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It's forth telling what God wills, and that's people's repentance and their forgiveness of their sins and things like this.

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So again, if you want to know what true prophets sound like, they sound nothing like the spooky fortune tellers of Bethel and other places.

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They don't sound anything like that. Read Isaiah. Read Jeremiah. They weren't fortune tellers at all.

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So especially that you may prophesy for one who speaks in tongues, and so now he's going to get to the tongues bit.

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One who speaks in a tongue, and this is a foreign language, speaks not to men but to God. So to the people there in the church of Corinth who legitimately were given the gift of tongues, there's clearly a group of them that are speaking other languages, but they don't know what they're saying.

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And they want to practice this gift in church. Yeah, you can't do that without an interpreter, and there's a reason why.

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For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.

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The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

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And so Paul's going to make a distinction here. So you have the gift of tongues, but no one's there to interpret, right?

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You might be building yourself up well and good, but you're not building up the church.

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This shouldn't be practiced in the church without a true interpretation. I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy.

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The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues unless someone interprets so that the church may be built up.

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So you want manifestations of the Spirit? Seek those that build up the body of Christ to teach, to preach, things like this, to foretell the

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Word of God prophetically, right? Now brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

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If even lifeless instruments such as the flute or the harp do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played?

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You'll note that even instruments don't do music via gibberish, right?

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And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said?

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Shakababa here. For you will be speaking into the air. There are doubtless many different languages in the world and none is without meaning, but if I don't know the meaning of the language,

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I'll be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. So note here the Apostle Paul comes back to this idea, tongues is the ability to speak a human language, right?

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So with yourselves, since you're eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church.

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Tongues doesn't build up the church unless there's an interpreter. Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.

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There it is. Hmm. Yeah. For Paul says, if I pray in a tongue, sure, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

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So what am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also.

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I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing praise with my mind also. Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say amen to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you're saying?

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For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up.

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So I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Nevertheless, in church, I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others than 10 ,000 words in a tongue.

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Hmm. Does this seem like an argument for the gift of gibberish? Nope. So brothers, do not be children, do not be children in your thinking.

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Be infants and evil, but in your thinking, be mature. In the law, it is written, and now he's going to quote

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Isaiah 28. By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners, I will speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the

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Lord. Isaiah 28, 11, and 12. Thus tongues are a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.

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Unbelieving Israelites, to be exact. While prophecy is a sign, not for unbelievers, but for believers.

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If therefore the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbeliever enters, will they not say that you're out of your mind?

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But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever outsider enters, and he's convicted by all, he is called to account by all of his sins, right?

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The secrets of his hearts are disclosed. So falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among them.

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So what then brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation.

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Let all things be done for building up. The church, when the church gathers, it's for building up the body of Christ.

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If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two, or at the most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.

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So you come to me, and you have the gift of being able to speak Japanese, and you have a message for us in Japanese, guess what?

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Unless I have an interpreter, you don't get to talk in Japanese at Kong's Vineyard Lutheran Church.

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Even if it's to build up the body of Christ, without the interpretation, there's no way to build it up. And so Paul says, if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in the church and speak to himself in God.

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Let two or three prophets speak, and let others weigh what is said. This is not, by the way, let others weigh what is said.

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This is not so that you can sit there and go, well, we need to eat the meat and spit the bones. It's to determine whether or not the person's a false prophet or not, okay?

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Because nobody can give a false prophecy and be a true prophet, see other passages of scripture, right?

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So if a revelation is made to another, sitting there, let the first be silent, for you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged.

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Oh, prophecy teaches the church, right, okay? And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is not a

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God of confusion, but a God of peace. And you're going to note, modern -day Pentecostals, Charismatics, NAR group people, what are they?

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Everything about them is complete confusion. God is not a God of confusion, but a

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God of peace. There is no peace in this place. It's just complete rank confusion and mayhem and nonsense, right?

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People barking like dogs, clucking like chickens, speaking gibberish, and blah, blah, blah, right?

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But Paul says that's got to go. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches.

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They're not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the law also says, if there's anything desired to learn, let the master husband's at home.

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It's shameful for a woman to speak in church. And here's kind of the kicker of all this, or was it from you that the

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Word of God came, or are you the only ones it's reached? So if anyone thinks he's a prophet or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things

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I'm writing to are a command of the Lord. And if he does not recognize this, he is not recognized, right?

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So my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy. Do not forbid speaking in tongues. Yeah, you know, if there's somebody who has a message of encouragement and they come in speaking a foreign language, if they have an interpreter, we'd be happy to hear the

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Word of encouragement with the interpretation, because Paul says you have to have an interpreter.

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All things should be done decently and in order, whereas charismatic and Pentecostal churches, everything's done indecently and out of order.

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So when you read the biblical text and you compare what is going on, then you'll note then that what is being manifested today.

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What this woman is doing is in direct contradiction and violation of what is written in Scripture. That's not tongues.

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That's gibberish. That's not any language. It's gibberish. This is not the

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Holy Spirit operating here. This, everything being done here is completely out of order and there is no interpreter.

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This is contrary to the Word of God. So what is the modern manifestation of tongues in the charismatic

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Pentecostal and NAR churches today? It's the running game of make -believe in human history.

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That's all it is. It's a complete game of make -believe inspired by the devil.

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And I would have you note then that people who believe, oh, I need to be in my prayer closet and spend hours a day praying in tongues, they're not communicating to God at all.

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Satan has effectively cut them off. They're not praying at all. You're sitting in your prayer closet going, for hours on end, you're not asking

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God for anything. You're deceived. That's not the gift of tongues. That's not a heavenly prayer language.

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No Scripture talks this way. Instead, you're speaking gibberish and rather than actually asking and communicating to God, Satan has deceived you and he's cut off all communication.

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