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Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line, my name is James white and we are coming to you live from are we literally in Dolores or outside of the woods six miles outside of Dolores, Colorado and you might be saying

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You normally don't tell us exactly where you are Because that sort of helps the

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Isis terrorists All the The Danites some of you don't know who

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Danites are Danites come from Mormon history. They were the they were the hit hit people for Brigham Young, basically, but anyway

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That tells you everybody is well You know It doesn't look like the most populated area.

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I've ever been in that there probably aren't any well I think about it.

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We're close to Utah. They're very close to Utah. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah Well, I'll fight the Danites off if they find me

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I guess but we are we are at the views RV Park and when

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I first When we first announced we bought a little grand design reflection 150 that we

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I Started pulling around and was so proud when I got back on my first trip that having destroyed it

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Because I I still think if rich had been honest, he assumed I would destroy it somewhere along the way.

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I think that's probably Anyway rich said hey, I got a call or a email or a letter

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I forget exactly how it was there's there's a couple up in Southern Southern, Colorado, and he knew where it was because he and his wife his wife has family up in Denver and they instead of going the 25 route up to Denver, they like to go through the mountains and Have been through this direction.

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And in fact, he was telling me about the And I ran it

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I saw it it was on the 160 coming up on the left -hand side of the road You're driving along and there's this high school and it's on the reservation and It's that and you're looking around there is nothing else out here

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I mean as far as there's not even a hogan out there You see nothing out there and here's the high school and the hilarious part is

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Right on the scoreboard, you know what the mascot name is the Redskins on the reservation it's called the

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Redskins and then you go like a quarter mile and here's this big old hospital and Right next to it really nice Government homes because no one's gonna live out there unless you provide

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And But I'm looking around there's nothing out here. There has got to be a secret government facility underneath this thing

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That's where they keep the aliens when Independence Day really happens That's where they're gonna be going.

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That's the real area 51 something. I don't know but anyways rich knows that area really really well

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That's like you said you haven't gotten there. But when you get there, this is what you're gonna see and he was spot -on so Anyway So we got this invitation and then

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I ran into these folks Well, they say at g3, but I'm sorry that part just just Yeah, when you're

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I meet a lot of folks at g3 But I do remember at Apologia when you all were down in Phoenix warming up or something like that Because I imagine it's a little bit nippy in this part of the woods so we have a live studio audience today here in at the views

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RV Park, and so if you're hey if you're see I Everything is backwards.

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There we go. There it is There it is right there. See I'm wearing the t -shirt So if you're up in the area look them up and you'll get lots of nice views.

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That's why maybe you got that name I don't know But Yeah, I was unfortunately

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Had to cut off a few limbs of the tree next to me today because this is not a small unit

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It's it's a beastie. And this is a nice long slot that I'm in though. That's that's very nice of you to do that I have been stuck in some slots that I wasn't sure how

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I was But it's nice to be a nice long one so we're up here I'm gonna get to speak on Sunday.

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Actually local church always enjoy getting a chance to do that kind of thing getting to meet people and that's why we

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That's why we do the do the RV thing now rather than well, there's lots of other reasons I guess the

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Data crash today took most of the airlines out, too. I happen to see the only thing still working is

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Twitter Thank You Elon Musk, I mean Seriously, we're coming to you.

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I've got no cash. Everything's working. Perfect. We're coming to you by a Starlink and We've had

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Starlink now for about two years the improvements in Starlink in two years Astonishing.

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I mean, you know most companies you put something out and then hey live with it

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Obviously these folks are like we're gonna keep improving this and it's like now

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It's working for us so so well and it's exciting to be able to do that but I'm watching this thing on Twitter this morning that shows all the airplanes in the air in Arizona and Arizona in the

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United States and then you see the time of the crash come by and everything It's just there's just almost nothing in there.

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It was about it looked like 9 -eleven. It really did look like My wife was used to work for American and they were particularly taken down by it and so Yeah, you know

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I could be sitting in an airport someplace Trying to get somewhere and those are not fun places to be.

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Let me tell you so we are taking your Twitter questions today and I keep getting notifications on my phone from my

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I have a very nice weather center Weather thing in my backyard and it tells me that there's

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There's lightning within 25 miles of my home. So that doesn't help me where I am now at all but It always looks like you're gonna get rained on up here, but then it goes away.

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I'm not sure why I Haven't yet gotten a really good rainstorm. I hope it's not just saving up But I want a really good rainstorm because we had the roof sealed

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Because they had a leak coming through that Bent right there, right? It wouldn't have quite it would have almost taken you out

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I would have taken your foot out or something like that right next to the door But that was in a thunderstorm and that in Texas that was a thunderstorm

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I mean it was coming down buckets and it probably took 20 minutes before it started leaking.

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So You know It's a new unit as far as Going on the road and you shake stuff loose when you bounce these babies up and down roads people understand that but that's what happens

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Anyways, we're taking your questions on Twitter and I guess there are two places.

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I need to be looking at there is the broadcast channel the live broadcast channel, which

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Okay, I I see some of the Yes, you know for example

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Scott Johnson is in our channel and I need better glasses well, I need glasses period Scott Johnson's in our channel and he just said

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Starlink is neat, but it ruined astral photography forever He's right, he's right believe you me he's right

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I Was doing stuff before Starling and you would still get streaks from satellites now

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I actually have night -vision goggles and I got the idea from Jason Lyle smartest man on the planet truly is

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I Would challenge anybody show me someone smarter than Jason. I can't find it

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Hopefully gonna be running into him next week when I'm in Colorado Springs But in fact,

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I texted I texted Jason today. I said hey the debate worked out in Colorado Springs and I'm just telling you you're my backup guy if I get sick

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He's like, yeah, right, okay, so, um, but I Was so Jason gave me the idea and you know night -vision goggles

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You look up at the sky on a clear night with really good military grade night -vision goggles. It's amazing what you can see

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It's amazing. And the thing is when I first got there when I was up in Denver, I look up the sky

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I Could find a satellite within 30 seconds easily sometimes immediately just all sudden you see this thing and Now with all these

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Starling ones up there they are you take a picture where you open your lens up like 20 seconds and You're gonna have streaks going all over the place because there's so many satellites up there now

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I don't know how anybody launches anything without running into one of those things They need they need they need traffic lights up and It's amazing.

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Um Okay, well, you know what other there there there are a bunch in the public channel but in the in the

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Dividing line channel. I'll go ahead and and go with that question first And then we'll go to the others

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But Roberto has asked what does the intercession and mediation of Christ mean?

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nothing like easy short questions like, you know I'm surprised no one asked me.

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I'm wearing a Nice turquoise inlaid cross today, but last time

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I had my child. I've never had anyone you saw you saw it, too Okay People were wondering what's that?

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What is that weird thing? You've got it's a hi There's one right there actually

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That was permanent, um Hi means life in Hebrew. And so If you've ever watched fiddle on the roof, you've heard look

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I am look I am to life that's where it comes from and that I am would be plural but Hebrew frequently uses plural just to Emphasize something so it's not lives necessarily, it's life and So John 14 6 when

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Jesus answers that question, I am the way the truth and the light it would be high would be what what would be referred to there, so That's so it would have been very quick and easy to answer that question

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Um, I guess I could answer the question by saying it is probably The most

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Beautiful and important clear biblical revelation in Scripture that most

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Christians know nothing about and everything and I hate to say it that way

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But you would think You know some of the Puritans said things like You know if if I what was it

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Who was it that said it was was it? Bunyan, I think it was

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Bunyan who said if I knew That Christ was in the next room

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Praying for me. I would fear nothing and The reality is the biblical teaching is that Christ is at the right hand of the

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Father Interceding for me. So why should I have fear of anything? and That's a that's an appropriate observation we've talked about mediation intercession accessory work of Christ a lot in light of the doctrine of the atonement

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Because unfortunately in most of evangelicalism the doctrine the atonement is primarily

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Communicated to people by hymns. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with communicating good theology by hymns the problem is in the

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Context in which I was raised We had a lot of hymns about the cross

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But they're not inspired and Very often you ended up with a

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Doctor of the atonement that was primarily based on emotion rather than revelation

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For example, I I can't I can't even think of why

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I don't consider myself an expert on Hymnology maybe we could ask

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Scott annual that's his thing But If you're asking you're going why

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Scott annual Scott and I both teach for GBTS, so he's my fellow professor

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I don't talk about it a lot, but I am professor of church history and apologetics at GBTS and Scott teaches there as well.

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And so we have staff meetings and stuff like that. So We communicate in that way and are on the same team and working together and he's is really an expert on Psalms and hymnology and stuff like that, but I can't think of a single him.

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I'll bet Charles Wesley did Write something and now that I'm thinking about it

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I think there is I am now now I am thinking about That one that he did on the cross but almost none of them when speaking of the cross speak of Christ's Intercessory work on behalf of all those for whom he has died

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Of Very few people think of the fact that the work of the high priest

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There is the audience for whom the high priest offers sacrifice is the same audience

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And if people just think about that and if they would think about what is the new covenant it's the covenant what in my blood when when you really start seeing the interconnected connections these things and I Think this will come out when

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Jared and I Jared Longshore and I are debating in a few weeks from Denver from this location

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Lord willing The The beauty and harmony of the biblical revelation, especially in Hebrews, but also in Romans 8 9

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That Shows us Christ as high priest The nature of the

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New Covenant who is in the New Covenant and The perfecting work of the intercession of Christ Hebrews 7 24.

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He is able to save to the uttermost or completely Because he ever lives to make intercession for those who draw near to God through him.

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So it's it's not just the offering of the sacrifice it is then the presentation of that in the resurrected

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Christ and and I Said a number of times we posted last year

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I preached at the church in Denver That is hosting. I'll be preaching there again, but that is hosting

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The open theism debate and so I Preached there on the ascension of Christ and its connection with Mark chapter 14

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And I said then I said, you know what I can remember the first time I ever preached on the Ascension I was at a church on Long Island and It was a liturgical church and so they

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It was a set Ascension Sunday or something like that. Believe me Independent Reform Baptists don't have

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Ascension Sundays That's that's a calendar you don't you don't play with and so I Remember it was so to come up with a sermon on the

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Ascension, which only meant I had only ever really viewed it as a

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Fact, you know sort of how Jesus gets back to heaven, you know really wasn't anything more than that and then when

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I Had my Eschatological awakening a couple years ago.

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I started realizing You know When when

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Psalm 2 says kiss the Sun lest he be angry. Where's the Sun? Where's the

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Sun today? How is Jesus raining today? And that's when

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I realized the connection between Mark 14 and Daniel 7 and how

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Daniel 7 is The picture of the enthronement of The resurrected son when he comes before the ancient days he's the son of man and a kingdom is given to him and His servants will

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Serve him and in the Greek Septuagint is Latreau That's the same term used for the service of the priests in the temple

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That's the highest form of worship And so I think all you put all that together and I think that's why there is a

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Lack of emphasis in the part of many people in understanding

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Christ intercessory and mediatory or meditatorial work It's not a separate work as in additional to Because when you know what the high priest did on Yom Kippur in the day of atonement 16 um,

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I immediately started thinking about Leviticus 8 blood on earlobes, but anyway But you know what the high priest did, you know that that was that was his duty that day he performed

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The sacrifice the carrying of the blood the sprinkling of the blood upon the mercy seat in the holy place

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And so Christ as our high priest The difference the fulfillment element is that the high priest always had to then back out

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There was no place to sit down in the holy place He could never his work could never be finished because next year he's got to be back and you're after that He's got to be back here after that.

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He's got to be back. It was the repetitiveness of the sacrifice It was meant to point people's minds forward to a perfect completion, which is what you have in Calvary, which is

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What is so? Dangerous and destructive about the Roman Catholic Mass is

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You don't have a finished sacrifice That is then Commemorated in the supper you have a perpetuatory sacrifice.

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It doesn't affect them and That's a that's a tragedy. I say that because I was seeing stuff on Twitter yesterday about a

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Eucharistic conference going on somewhere in Midwest with 55 ,000 people in attendance and That there was a picture where the light came in through a window and it struck the

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Eucharist and there was light going everywhere you know Miracles miracles everywhere stuff going on.

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So There you there you go So anyway,

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I don't even know how people know how to get into this Thing on the live broadcast, but I suppose

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Did he did he did he do you think When Christ sat down after performing the atonement he sat on the mercy seat

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I Never considered it and and scripture does not say it. It says he seated the right hand of the

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Father. I Don't know how to answer them like that because I don't think

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That's the case rich says I need to move the microphone closer Having to be able to see rich see it's one thing in the studio because you know, he's right there in the window

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But you know when I'm on the road, I figure I get away from the nanny state, you know And instead

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I still get stuck with do this do that talk louder move them

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Move the microphone closer anyway

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Okay It's rich ruffling now Let me go to my feed here

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Gabriel Hughes asks Why is a good burger better than a great steak?

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And I know most people disagree with Gabe on this but I agree with Gabe on this

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I'm not a big steak guy and it Part of this cuz it's hard to get really good steaks.

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I've had a couple really good steaks when I was up in First Mount Rushmore, then it's in the codas.

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Yeah The folks that had me up for the debate against Iglesia Iglesia, Necristo They had this place were like the the this cow had been

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Slaughtered like 12 hours earlier type thing, you know, I mean just super super fresh and those were really good

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And when we were on the Mercury in Alaska cruise ship Mercury in Alaska over a decade ago

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Wow Wow, most of the time most of places I go it's just and I'm just not in there

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Stuff and so yeah, I just have awesome. I've had some great great burgers.

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And so I'm with Dave on that one Um Stephen asked why is a good pizza pie better than both of those?

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Well that really depends and someone had RC scroll going what's the matter with you people for all of that?

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I will skip passing. Um Ty you're trying to get me in a lot of trouble

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Ty Brillhart Asks about Sabbath issues. Let me just tell you something Um, if I were to address this

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I would want a whole lot of time outside of certain elements of eschatology,

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I can't think of a subject that Launches more tradition based emotion

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Than this issue On the one hand amongst

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Non -reformed, you never even think about It's not even some people think about and they wonder why

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Calvinists do you think about it, um, and then amongst the reformed

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You have the the Puritan view and you have what's called the continental view so the

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Puritans and Hence the early Reformed Baptists and I have sat look

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I've sat in Reformed Baptist conferences where I was once And I have listened to brilliant brothers.

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I love them. They may not love me anymore, but I've listened brothers. I still love Give the absolute best arguments

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To assert that the Seventh day

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Sabbath has been moved in the providence of God to the first day of the week

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Sometimes in Hebrews 4 Hebrews is about the only place you can go that talks about Sabbath rest and so and Look, I'm sitting there as a person

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Who is friendly to these folks and you know, I'm willing to listen to them and stuff and I I Just sit there going.

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I Can never defend that now I again I've said this many many times

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I'm weird and you all know that one of the first things crossed my mind when a

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Topical gist comes up is I go if I'm going to present something as being dogmatically

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Necessary Which a lot of people present their views of the

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Sabbath as I mean so much so that they will cut you off if you don't agree, okay, so it's it almost never goes the other direction, but If I were to Try to defend that position in a debate against a well -prepared person who has

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Dealt with the New Testament in its original languages Read our material. I don't think it could do it it would be a preference thing and So When you when you look at the continental view which was

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Calvin's view certainly, they have You know emphasis upon the necessity of gathering for worship and the priority of the church and all that stuff

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But the idea of a wholesale Transfer a movement I could never defend that exegetically using the same hermeneutical principles that I would use to defend the

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Trinity of the deity of Christ the resurrection or justification by faith and all the rest of the type of stuff so I Can't go there

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Dogmatically like a lot of Puritans there are a number of things the

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Puritans did that I I just go I bless them, but You know, that was that day and this is this day and it's not that God's truth has changed, but there were cultural issues that led to certain conclusions that I Can't defend it

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All of that to say it just seems to me that there are a few topics that can get people more riled up and more angry

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Than that particular one from one particular perspective I don't see the people who would take like a continental view

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Getting out the long knives or anything else but it's folks on the other side and I'm just not interested in that battle to be perfectly honest with you.

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So there you go with that Annalise Stanley just made another huge fumble.

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Well, okay. I'll take a look at that one later Make sure you stop and get a burger at the

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Depot best burger for over 500 miles.

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I'm getting I'm getting a A Thumbs up from the live studio audience on that.

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So Is that down in Cortez? It's in Dolores. Oh Okay well, um

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We may find out what your Sabbath views are Hey, it's got

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Christianson tells you last time I saw Scott This was weird because I've flown exactly twice since coded it one was within a few weeks, so They were just starting to suggest masking and stuff like that.

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So To go see my dad as last time. I saw my dad before he died and then the other time

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I flew was to go pick up the truck in, Louisiana and I'm walking through the airport

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Sky Harbor and I hear someone say James and I look over and I hope

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I'm remembering but I'm pretty sure it was Scott Christianson and Cancelled flights the look on everybody's face was like I just want to go home you know, it was it was a massive change in and traveling, but I'm I don't see it.

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The picture is too far away for me to see things, but I'm pretty sure it's the same Scott Christianson Brenda asks this is a big one in your opinion

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Is it accurate to call the angel Lord a pre -incarnate appearance of Jesus as opposed to a pre -incarnate appearance of the

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Son? Am I nitpicking too much to think calling him Jesus and an accurate way of talking about the angel of the

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Lord? Well the angel

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Lord obviously Represents Yahweh speaks for Yahweh. A lot of people think it's a

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Christophany And hence is a pre -incarnate appearance of the

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Son my assumption is That the question is going he's not named

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Jesus until he's born of the Virgin Mary And is incarnate and the pre -incarnate

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Appearances Genesis 18 and 19 three men come visit

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Abram and The two go down to Sodom and Gomorrah. They're the angels the one walks with Abraham got the what if there's 40 what if there's 30 20 10 so on so forth and Then you have that statement

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Yahweh rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh in heaven

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And so Was that the angel of Yahweh being identified as Yahweh?

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It's You know, there's there's a lot of Arguing back and forth on certain issues like that.

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But yeah, I Think especially when doing apologetics you do need to be careful about how you

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Say things, you know, we tend to just go well, you know in eternity past Jesus Did such -and -such?

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Okay, I was actually the second person in the Trinity the Sun Yes, it was absolutely certain. He was going to enter into time at the fullness of time as Jesus So it's not like some heresy or something

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But yeah, it's probably best to be careful, you know, it's similar but this might actually more important it's

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So common when I travel and I I visit other churches and things like that It's so common to hear folks be less than Particular and specific in Their addressing father son or spirit in prayer

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So I'll start off all our gracious Heavenly Father. We thank you Lord Jesus for savings Okay, did you just identify

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Jesus as the father I didn't intend to But that's how it came across You didn't indicate that you were shifting

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You know the object of your prayer or your dress and so it happens a lot.

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I think It would be similar. I think It's not so much that people are

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Are actually modalists, that's what a person who confuses father son spirit is modalism

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It's not that they actually hold that view. It's just that they slip into it for not just simply for not being overly accurate in their statements, so I see that I see the distinction you're making and it's and it's a it's alright

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Can you explain or speak on what Abraham's bosom is? Well, it's just a term Brad Lambert asks this question

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It's the term used in in Luke to refer to a place of What we would call

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Hades Which is different than hell It is a

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Now you get into what's what is the intermediate state is Luke 16 actually a parable or is it an actual story?

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It's you know, it's about the you know, Lazarus and the rich man and Lazarus dies and he's in Abraham's bosom

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So he is in a place of joy and peace. He's not being punished and there are those who are being punished and Then what happens at the resurrection of Christ is is the statement in Ephesians about he leads captivity captive Is that when those who have been in this holding place?

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Leave and are now in the presence of Christ leaving only those who are under punishment

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That's my that's my view but again It's I Would not do a debate on Everything that I have a view on.

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Okay, so there's a there's a big difference between dogma and Stuff we can that stuff's it's important, but I've got friends that believe all sorts of things about that and then the stuff down here where it's like Hey, if you all want to fight about that go go on Facebook The adiaphora the things that don't make a fundamental difference and so Those that's some of the background issues that we can look at there.

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Um, oh I can't bill I haven't I haven't had a chance to listen to his book

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Bill Roach asked me to Talk about Michael Icona's understanding of inspiration and errancy.

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I Haven't had a chance with the debates. I've got coming up. I'm not debating him. So but He has

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Mike like Kona has put out a new book. You may recall I forget how many years ago was now he

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Well, remember for those of you who don't the names let me just real quickly Mike like Kona is

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Christian apologists. He's very much in the camp of William Lane Craig William Craig is very weak on Inerrancy original sin issues like that and Mike like Kona has done a number of debates with Bart Ehrman and We have reviewed

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Those debates with Bart Ehrman and Mike like Kona on the dividing lines we spent hours

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And a few years ago. He came out Mike like Kona came out with a

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Paper or somewhere in a book somewhere along the lines. He was the one that got in big trouble with Norman Geisler About his views about Matthew remember in Matthew.

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We have the singular text that talks about The dead coming out of the graves and coming into Jerusalem.

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Okay And Mike like Kona said basically that that's mythology. It didn't really happen and Norman Geisler Came down on him and his views of inerrancy says not really inerrancy and and of course

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Norman Geisler came down on me first For things too, so I I don't automatically just go but I agreed with Geisler on that subject and the nature of inerrancy and the

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Tendency toward compromise that's part of the Craig like Kona Majority of scholars believe type of school of apologetics and so if years ago he came out with something

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Book or something about saying well, here's a here's a place where mark blew it mark

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Got a geographical fact wrong He says but it doesn't matter it doesn't change anything and we walked through it and said but you don't have to come to this conclusion and Through it, but it was sort of an indication of the direction that he was going to be going and so He has a new book out haven't had a chance to listen to it yet Because the debate topics that I'm doing on this trip are open theism authority authority issues with Roman Catholicism Not I'm not sure if I'm even gonna count this debate as my seventh debate on solo scriptura

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Because I'm in the negative this time. We actually have it's taken 34 years

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To find someone brave enough, but Alex who I will be debating If you've not don't know who

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Alex is I think I posted the graphic. I'm pretty sure I posted the graphic Alex is a sharp young Roman Catholic apologist

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Who has probably been sued 12 times by Sylvester Stallone for impersonation fraud

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Okay, seriously It's I'm I'm I'm literally debating rocky

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And and Alex you listen to him and and he I don't think he'll be offended by this at all

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I really don't he seems like a really cool guy He's not gonna be offended and I'm sure he has been told 10 ,000 times in his life that You cannot tell the difference between He and Sylvester Stallone in their accent their voice the whole nine yards, which does give me an advantage

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Because Sylvester is not the fastest speaker and now there's Alex so I will get at least 33 % more words in during the course

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Okay, so he'll probably laugh about all this stuff. I hope you will anyways Because it's it's all men's and fun.

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But Alex is actually going to be positively defending the Catholic view of authority over against soldiers and We've been trying to get to somebody have somebody do that for 34 years

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The man up and do it now, it's not a very long debate so it's not like we can get into a whole bunch of stuff, but Yeah, that's that's the the first debate next weekend in fact,

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I think it's Week from tomorrow. Yeah week from tomorrow Colorado Springs. I have zero notes

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That doesn't mean anything I was I've been listening and this is a subject I've been dealing with for most of my life

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But I'll be honest with you being on the other side now neither one of us are using slides

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Which which means he's not gonna walk in and just do a presentation not care whether I'm there or not like some

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But You know in this situation obviously, there's certain points

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I want to get to but being in the negative I think the respectful way of debating is for me to Respond to what the presentation he makes and not just have my own thing going on which can be hard to do

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You know because exactly where is he? Where is his emphasis gonna be and stuff like that? So it it could be challenging.

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Anyways, those are the topics I have coming up that Open theism and then the nature of the

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New Covenant and the blood of the covenant things like that So like cone is just not there yet But he's done some presentations.

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I've got the book I can use speech if I to listen to it Man, I love that program.

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It works so well Maybe I can start getting to some of it on the way back.

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But honestly, I've got some great stuff from Greg Bonson Kenneth Gentry to get to as well and I Still know

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I'm Bill Why aren't you doing it? It's you're the young guy.

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You're you're the guy with a whole lot more of youth and energy than I've got

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Next question best path for pastors For seminary who don't want to bankrupt themselves and be able to provide for their family and that's sad

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I because it's it's a very good question It is sad and I've sort of preached on this subject before in essence obviously my views are a little bit different than professors at big -box seminaries

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For a long time Seminaries were the you know, this massive library and was before the

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Internet and things like that And you you uproot your family and you move there and when you think about it

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What local churches were doing is you train young men up and you hopefully give them consistent testimony of how to handle the

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Word of God and and Worship and all the rest that kind of stuff and then what do you do you get rid of?

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You you ship them off someplace you put them under somebody else's authority somebody else's preaching they'll never come back

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You'll never see him again. And so that means is your Elders and pastors stuff you've got to be getting from someplace else.

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It's not You know second Timothy 2 2 seems to indicate that the apostolic way is raising up leadership from within the church

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How else can you how else can you look at someone's life and know if they are Responsible enough worthy enough to be entrusted with these things.

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You don't do it that way and I Think the

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Internet is breaking some of that down in the sense that you now have the opportunity to learn and to study

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Even learn the languages and stuff like that without uprooting your family and going someplace and spending

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I Mean you go to most places if you get a bachelor's and MDiv and go on to the

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PhD you're talking $130 ,000 How many how many startup churches can

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Provide their pastor enough to pay off his student loans. Well, Joe Biden will take care of that. No, anyway

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So it yeah you know, I had to take out student loans when I went to the seminary and it took five six years to pay him off and per credit hour back then

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Wasn't anything in comparison to what it is now so there are

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Obviously Whitfield Theological Seminary places like that There are a lot of schools that are trying to find ways to Avoid the well, you got the foundational education now, but you have to work at Walmart because you can't make your loan payments trying to avoid that kind of stuff and so And a lot of it has to do with what you intend to do as far as Are you just looking to be really prepared to handle the

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Word of God so you can be a pastor in a small church? Or are you looking at climbing the denominational ladder?

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You're looking at starting out as the youth minister and then the assistant pastor and then finally you're the you're the big guy and Andy you want to get your church bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger in because various denominations have different requirements as far as education and stuff like that goes and So there are some denominations, you know, there's really not a choice

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And it's interesting That a lot I've heard a lot of people mention this one of the reasons that the

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Baptists Basically took over America Is that the churches that came over Europe?

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required such a high educational standard that they couldn't train or get enough ministers to fill the need of the expanding frontier as As this nation expanded across the continent and the

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Baptists were there The Baptists would send people out I would say oftentimes with insufficient training but they would send people out and that's where the churches got started and the more liturgically minded type churches

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Didn't gain that kind of found foothold and foundation because they're just what weren't enough people to do it

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The Methodists have their circuit riders, you know it would ride the ride the circuit because they're just weren't enough people to to do that kind of thing, so But yeah it it is a real challenge and when people ask me this question, my my my thought always is

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What do you want? What is the Lord calling you to do? And why do you want this training

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Do you feel a weakness in yourself in being able to handle the

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Word of God can that be dealt with without You know six years of schooling can it be dealt with while you continue ministry

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There's a lot of ways to do it today a lot of ways to do it And and people will ask me well, you know, how can

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I learn Greek and My response early is I'll be honest with you I only know of a handful of people who've learned it on their own and when

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I say on their own using especially Bill Mounce's textbook last lectures

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Software workbook. I mean the whole thing you can listen to his lectures all nighters what

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I tell people is that's something that's best done in a class because what you need is the

48:49

Discipline of like weekly quizzes. You've got to get this done now When people are trying to do that while in ministry and stuff like that, it's so easy to go

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I just can't I've got to get to the hospital visit somebody and it collapses and you just never get it done

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So I've seen that happen many many times, but it can be done if you want to do it. It can be done.

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Uh, Oh boy sometimes

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I wonder if you folks just want to you know melt my mind or just what because I say

49:30

Brandon is Throwing one out here. That may be one of the single toughest topics to address

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It's really challenging and it's it's hard I'm not making this up for Hebrews 8 9 being that the writer chose the reading when quoting is it valid to presume that the variant reading in the

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Greek Septuagint at that verse was the original and the Masoretic was unoriginal and there's a lot of you including my studio audience are going.

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Are you going to translate that for us? Because I don't have any idea what you're talking about. We have talked about it before We have talked about before here's here's where it is

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Hebrews 8 9 in the

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In Hebrews itself What you have is not like the covenant which

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I made with their fathers in The day when I took them by the hand lead them out of land of Egypt for they did not abide or continue in my covenant and I did not care for them says the

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Lord if you go to Jeremiah 31 which is where this quotation is coming from and you read it in Pretty much any

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English translation that's based upon the Hebrew Masoretic text rather than the

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Greek Septuagint What it says is where they did not continue my covenant even though I was a husband to them

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So the quote in Jeremiah says even though I was a husband to them The Greek translation says the

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Greek Septuagint which is done 250 at the earliest 200 years before Christ And it is the translation

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That is quoted by the New Testament writers The vast majority of the time in the

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New Testament because they're writing to Greek audiences So why would you quote from the

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Hebrew when the vast majority of people are writing to don't read Hebrew? They read Greek and There is a

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Greek translation Available and widely distributed around the Roman world called the

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Greek Septuagint now For the geeks that are interested in things like this the

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Difference in the Hebrew is probably exactly one letter but all

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You've heard the Bales, right? Bale Bale pure things like that in the

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Old Testament, but all means master Lord or husband so when

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Sarah refers to Abraham as Lord that would be all

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The term to despise in Hebrew is all So in English you'd be there to be in a

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G but if you read Hebrew the bet and the gimel They're different letters, but they are somewhat similar and Even if you read it in today's

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Masoretic in today's like the Bible Hebraic as you can see which is what we use today the

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Older Hebrew is even harder to read And I can't prove but I think the bet and the gimel are even more similar in Earlier forms of Hebrew I'm a

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Hebrew when I went through development. I think of the Old Testament was written over a thousand years

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Things gonna change, you know languages develop over an entire millennium So The question that's being asked is the question that everybody has

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I remember g3 Numerous years ago well numerous years ago.

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So Four or five years I Had just done something

53:49

With Todd Friel out in the you know where they have some of the food stuff and The guy came up to me and hit me with this question the context though was

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For him. He just didn't feel that you could believe in inspiration and Aaron once he discovered

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That and there's not a lot of places, but there are places Psalm 45 for example when it's quoted

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Where the New Testament writers quote? variants from the

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Hebrew Masoretic text from the Greek Septuagint in the New Testament and So the question is being asked here taking up everyone else's time is

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So now that I've given this to you being that the writer chose Got all rather than but all

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He chose the Greek Septuagint rather than the Hebrew Masoretic the majority of our

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English translations Prefer the Hebrew Masoretic text now modern translations in the past hundred years

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Fully aware. I mean the set the the King James translators were fully aware of the Greek Septuagint and there were times when they

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Brought that in in a particularly challenging text and things like that but Most of your

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Bible translations will be using the Hebrew Masoretic text in the Old Testament So the question that Brandon asks is it valid to presume?

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that the variant reading in the Septuagint at that verse was the original and The Masoretic was unoriginal now the the challenge here is

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You don't want to do textual criticism Based upon A theological presupposition because then you can just turn the

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New Testament anything you can become Joseph Smith, you know and Joseph Smith wants to find this in the

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New Testament. So he literally in Romans 4

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When it says to God God who justifies the ungodly he put the word not in his inspired translation who does not justify the

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Which of course completely destroys gospel, but just that works good grace. So that's how it works. So If you were to look at the

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Hebrew Masoretic texts and you see but all

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But then you see in the critical apparatus Got all You know that the

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Septuagint is translating the stream that comes from the Masoretic text He's got all not all that much we can be sure of but this is asking an inspiration question and the inspiration question is when

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The spirit guides New Testament writers to quote from the Old Testament Does that correct?

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Transmissional errors in the Hebrew and if you if you put a gun to my head and said

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But all or got all Did not care for them husband to them

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I Think I'd probably have to to go with the right of the

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Hebrews and say did not care for Or later on in Hebrews 10 um

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Body or Pierce an ear And in Hebrews 10, yeah writer in Hebrews 8 doesn't make a big point of the did not care for them it fits with the

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Fine fault with them part, but it's not a big part of his argument in Hebrews 10 He is making the argument that the variant prepared a body for me is the fulfillment that the

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So he is making that point there. And so yeah,

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I I would have to say that in the final analysis on A theological level

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I would have to say yeah I've got to go with that Um, but I know why that challenges a lot of folks because you know, there's only so far you can go through that door before you

58:56

Pandora's box you get to start making changes right left and center And like I said, it's one of the hardest questions

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To deal with that that I'm familiar with and most people never heard about it Wow, I've got a lot here

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Oh What do you make? It's actually 459 but you know, if you all are gonna you know pass out or anything like that, you know and Lack of food or something like that and the neat thing is and rich you can verify for me every time

59:37

I've looked over This stream is just rock -solid and And We we rarely had this happen with Starlink and so we got the new the new system out there and it's just It looks like we have found a way to do the dividing line pretty much wherever we are

01:00:03

Oh 29 minutes ago The depot is the place we used to go to in Kanab.

01:00:11

Is there a depot in Kanab, Utah? You guys don't know okay That's the only idea believe me.

01:00:18

I know you sure about that I'm starting to wonder if you know Rich and I are growing old together

01:00:33

We used to joke about how we were gonna be sitting around in our rocking chairs, you know thinking about all

01:00:39

Hey You know and stuff like that well, we're pretty much we're pretty much there, you know, it's like He'll say something

01:00:52

I'll go Are you sure or he'll do the same thing remember what?

01:00:58

No, I don't It's fun, yeah, um, it started there, okay

01:01:07

Anyways, so oh so but rich the streams good Might have want to confirm that one for me

01:01:15

And because that helps me to know how far we can go without starting to push things too much.

01:01:21

Um Here's one from Al the pal Hey, everyone gets to choose their own moniker on Twitter Yeah, rock solid he says, okay good, um

01:01:38

What do you make of the recent scholarship over the last few years that has sought to make the case that much?

01:01:46

If not, most reformed Orthodox appropriated some categories and metaphysics metaphysics from Aristotle well

01:01:54

That's obviously something that I've been involved with since 2020 2021

01:02:03

Well, I was it later that past number of years we've done a lot of stuff on the resourcement and So mystic renaissance and all this kind of stuff going on in certain in certain categories

01:02:22

Look We have to define what the reformed Orthodox are and we have to recognize that the

01:02:31

Reformation developed its own scholastic period and That scholastic ism has always in every denomination when it's developed in an abomination sought to Have a seat at the table with the big boys and There is no question that Especially the scholastics because that's they're dealing with they're dealing with scholastic ism will

01:03:01

Make reference to Aristotle and Aristotelian categories, and they're gonna deal with Thomas Aquinas and stuff like that my concern from the beginning and which continues to be my concern is the fact that Aristotle's God is not our

01:03:20

God Aristotle's categories are insufficient to express our

01:03:26

God and That there have been times in history Especially in the early church, in fact

01:03:34

The young fellow that I'll be debating in Denver. I was listening to some of his stuff today on John 6 and on the decree of God And basically he was just repeating latent flowers and Ken Wilson and Stuff like that and it's really disappointing to listen to things like that But one of the arguments he was making is

01:04:01

Augustine brought Greek philosophy in with the decree of God and stuff like that, and I'm Sitting here going

01:04:10

Really? you remember Tertullian There's there's also water bottles fridge hey, you're it's my home.

01:04:24

It's my house you I've got a in that a nice fridge I mean, you know for RVs, that's

01:04:31

If it stayed closed, yes Yes, I mentioned on the last program what happened there? Um But I I have my velcro thing

01:04:40

Reestablished to make sure that that doesn't happen again if I remember it. Anyways, what were we talking about?

01:04:45

Oh, see what happened? We lost everything there. Um I'm sitting here going

01:04:52

Haven't you ever heard of the phrase? What does Jerusalem have to do with Athens What does

01:05:00

Jerusalem have to do with that who said that Tertullian? so what was

01:05:06

Tertullian is 190 to 210 ish sort of the central area there and a pension comes a montanist

01:05:14

But he was the father of Latin theology. He's at the end of the second century beginning of the third century and He goes what does

01:05:24

Athens have to do with Jerusalem. He's asking the question because he sees

01:05:31

That as the gospel is going out into the Roman world it's interacting with Greek philosophy and the question is

01:05:41

How much of those categories can we? Appropriate and utilize and How important is it to remain with biblical categories and just try to find a way to communicate?

01:05:53

Do people have different categories and and that's been a question that every every generation has had to face but a lot of generations stopped facing it by simply embracing a tradition and You know,

01:06:09

I just think of Justin Martyr in the beginning in the middle of the second century He when he's converted he's wearing the philosophers pallium and he continues to wear it the rest of his life

01:06:22

There were many Christians who were going whoa, wow Plato must have known Moses So the idea that this started with Augusta just like Gotta stop listening to Ken Wilson people.

01:06:39

I mean we spent hours Demonstrating that his stuff is just completely blue historically speaking

01:06:49

But Anyway, my concern is That the heart and the essence that made the

01:06:59

Reformation what it was is the supremacy and sufficiency of Scripture to define everything we believe and when you do embrace to mystic categories and Aristotelian categories of the existence of God things like that and Try to fit biblical revelation into those categories they are not big enough

01:07:22

They are not big enough and they warp and twist things and So yeah, there's just all this stuff going on right now with Conferences and and everything going on.

01:07:36

I don't think it's gonna last a long time. It goes in cycles and The fact that matter is you can get all excited about it

01:07:44

But most people in the pew after about the fourth sermon Really digging into that kind of stuff

01:07:52

Start getting sort of glazed eyes and start looking down the road that other church down there where they're still talking about the

01:07:58

Bible you know, um, I don't know that it's gonna last a whole long time and and But we'll we'll we'll see

01:08:08

Um Wow, I cannot believe the number and I haven't even looked back at the at the other one yet Yeah, you see that the one that is that the comments that Is my ice maker that is that way everybody in the room here just heard you know and We are so proud of ourselves because the previous owners

01:08:41

I wrote to them and They told us. Yeah, we wished the ice maker work.

01:08:47

We could just never figure out how to get it to work and we tried and finally some someone at Sun City RV found out that there's a

01:08:58

Connection inside that cabinet on the side next to us a drawer that you've got to get to and As you just heard it works it works it works we are so proud of ourselves

01:09:12

You all just don't know The RV life is a different life.

01:09:18

Okay, it really really is. It's a different life. Um it's hard to find stuff in the

01:09:25

In in here But man, I May I just thank everybody for the questions

01:09:32

I'm not gonna get to all of them obviously because there's just more and more I'm coming But this is a good way of doing this

01:09:38

This is a really good way of doing this Hmm that I don't understand here.

01:09:47

Oh, okay. It didn't say it didn't have the click more Kenton Kenton says thank you for your long faithfulness to the ministry

01:09:56

I have a theory that given the drastic changes We are seeing in Mormonism and Roman Catholicism that we are close to the generation which these two religions will be destroyed

01:10:04

What do you think of this hypothesis and what do you think will replace them if so I'm not sure what you mean by destroyed.

01:10:11

I agree with you a thousand percent that I Cannot predict what either is gonna look like only ten years

01:10:24

Because when I look back Let's let's use a nice round number when

01:10:29

I look back at Mormonism in 2004 in comparison to Mormonism today 20 years

01:10:37

Massive change in emphasis and You change emphasis you end up changing it

01:10:43

You don't have to come out and say we're going to stop believing doctrine X if you just stop talking about doctrine

01:10:49

X Doctrine X will be taken over by some by doctrine Y eventually Jehovah's Witnesses learned that they have managed to morph their theology and Get rid of the 1914 prophecy

01:11:05

By just simply letting it die its own slow death so and obviously the speed with which

01:11:15

Roman Catholicism is Going to go the direction that Francis wants it to go because there is no question that Francis wants to Obama the

01:11:26

Catholic Church Remember what Obama said when he was first elected fundamental change

01:11:32

Fundamental change he Francis wants a fundamental change in the

01:11:37

Roman Catholic Church How long will that take? Don't know. I don't know

01:11:44

There's so much power and money Involved the Vatican and the worldwide

01:11:52

Roman Catholic Church that could we see schisms? Could we see all sorts of stuff like that?

01:11:58

Yes I don't know what all look like same thing with Mormonism. I mean the church in Salt Lake has

01:12:05

Billions of dollars billions of dollars can buy you a lot of stuff. But at the same time

01:12:12

I Think one charismatic leader arising in there and you could have a massive split

01:12:19

You really really could because I know the Mormons that I knew 30 years ago and They look at their church today and in their honest moments.

01:12:28

They realize This is not the same thing that this is what we believed back then we've we're changing

01:12:36

Yeah are I'm not sure that means by destroying them. Um, I mean

01:12:42

Mormonism could fracture and schism a lot of ways I'm not sure what that would look like for Catholicism What would replace them well, unfortunately

01:12:54

Did I not make everybody mad at me Two days ago when

01:13:03

That there's this graphic that I find on Twitter Like a 15 -foot tall angel all of gold in armor with massive wings is

01:13:15

Walking along Next to little Donald Trump. No Trump is not a little guy but staying next to a 15 -foot tall of angel he looks and You've still got all this blood on the ears and and fusions 611 and It's cultic it's just cultic

01:13:45

What's gonna happen? What if the next guy doesn't miss? what's gonna happen these people and all the prophecies they're making and everything else and I've got

01:13:56

I've got news for you folks got news for you Let's say Trump wins Work because I don't trust elections anymore

01:14:05

But let's say it's just such an overwhelming welding landslide that even the 20 ,000 mules can't overturn and a certain way it's looking right now and There's so many people are saying

01:14:19

Biden's out and that's gonna change everything I mean You all have to testify

01:14:26

I was saying last year that this was going to be insane There's no way

01:14:33

Biden was gonna be the candidate that that was gonna throw everything up in the air I didn't think that I I have said to friends over and over guys that man and my friends will affirm this for over a year

01:14:43

I've said Most likely person I can ever think of my life And it's just it's just obvious But what's gonna happen

01:14:56

If you know if he if he wins Here, there's a little secret here here

01:15:02

I'll whisper it into the microphone just for just for rich see the new microphone rich got me

01:15:08

It's he's it's got a little thing. You can take it off. I can put it put it here and it's wireless

01:15:13

Here's a little thing over here rich rich likes gadgets as much as I do. Yeah, he really does.

01:15:19

Okay, but here's a secret Did you hear did you hear Trump's speech?

01:15:25

And all the promises he made He can't do all that stuff. Sorry Sorry, he can't do all that stuff.

01:15:34

I Mean he's literally Promising worldwide peace. There are a few other people involved with that though that he doesn't necessarily

01:15:43

Control, you know, so once he got to that point where he's we're gonna bring pace across like on earth goodwill peace toward men the

01:15:56

Messiah's here is like Folks um look

01:16:02

On many many many many levels. Yes far better than the regime, but he's not the

01:16:09

Messiah He can't do all that stuff and he knows that you know that And so it scares me to see what what people are doing about that stuff

01:16:18

Um all right one more one more and then we're gonna have to wrap it up because We've gone long here, but I do.

01:16:26

Thank you No, I'm not gonna have time to now go back and answer all the other questions on Twitter.

01:16:34

I wish wish I could but Life doesn't allow that.

01:16:42

Um Has looked across the screen the fact that Keith Richards has outlived

01:16:47

Richard Simmons Really makes me question this eating healthy and exercise It's hard to argue with that one

01:17:00

Wow Okay, this is a nice short one.

01:17:09

Sorry Kenny that that one's that one's a 15 -minute sermon That I'm not really prepared to preach but Sherm the something

01:17:18

I Sherm the worrier, I don't know Oh Sherm the worm. Okay, Sherm the worm

01:17:27

Is it true? That you couldn't stop on your bike once and plowed into a woman to keep yourself from wrecking

01:17:37

No, I don't know where you're I don't know where you heard that but no, that's not true

01:17:45

I don't ever recall running into a woman on my bike in 166 ,000 700 miles riding.

01:17:55

Um, I'm trying to think of What the weirdest funniest thing that I ever saw about my biking

01:18:06

Was when a Roman Catholic guy no, no no, there was a guy who was accusing me of being a secret

01:18:13

Jesuit and He actually he actually came up with the theory that That we have like a monk and he's the whole his whole purpose is that he goes out and because I post

01:18:33

I've often often post my rides on Strava and So you've got the

01:18:38

GPS and you know climbing up Mount Evans and all the rest that fun stuff

01:18:44

And he came up with a theory that there is a monk who has been assigned his whole job

01:18:49

Is to do my bike rides, so I'm actually working on Attacking the church and studying the

01:18:59

Popes and and making up stuff about Roman Catholicism meanwhile there's this

01:19:06

Monk that's doing the rides for me something along those lines. I forget what it was. But yeah, that's how they got around the

01:19:12

GPS Files of the rides is it not it's it's you're actually a secret

01:19:18

Jesuits You're undercutting. Oh, I remember. This is King James only guys. That's right. That's right. It's King James only guy and That's how

01:19:26

I have the time to do all the King James only stuff is I have a Jesuit somewhere who's very fit

01:19:33

And has ridden a hundred and sixty six thousand miles on a bike Yeah, that's that's what

01:19:38

I can't so Okay, anyways, um one last thing, um, the raffle is up the picture of the knife the blade that Derek Melton has made for us

01:19:52

Again, I'm very thankful that the picture is up Because otherwise I would be very very concerned that the knife would become this place

01:20:02

Because there's someone back in Phoenix who will remain nameless Who really really really likes his knife and Unfortunately, he cannot buy any raffle tickets for it because if he could

01:20:17

We could probably raise some serious funds just from that one source but he's not allowed to do that just like I can't buy raffle tickets for anything either and There you go.

01:20:28

So I'm probably gonna Find it interesting to read through all the rest of my notifications that I was not able to get to here.

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Ah Yes Yes, you know, um

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Here yes, in fact, it's right there, okay, I Was actually gonna mention this to Derek and I'm not sure if they're watching right now or if he's he normally watches later but Normally rich asks me

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To do most the writing for the ministry Write up descriptions write up the blog entry stuff like that when it came to this knife

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All of a sudden the description just appeared of its own Written by rich and here's what he wrote

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Melton forged Damascus skinning knife horizontal draw my first impression of this knife

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Was sheer amazement the craftsmanship here

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I need to I need to do this, right? Okay My first impression of this knife was sheer amaze

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The craftsmanship of this knife and she is so stunning That can only be called a work of art

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Once again pastor Derek Melton has outdone himself This knife

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Easily fits in my hand. It is well balanced not too heavy and not too light with a blade

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That is super sharp. I Love the horizontal sheath because I prefer cross draw holster

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The winner of this raffle is in for a real now what we need.

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Here's what we need And I'm not sure if my son can do this my son is a good impersonator

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I've never heard him do Trump So, I'm not sure if he can do it

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But there is a lot of people that can do Trump really well because Trump's actually fairly easy to do if you're in person because he needs something you can grab on to and his voice is

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Very distinctive. We need that description Trump eyes You know

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My first impression of this knife Was sure amazing. It's huge. It's huge It's the best put in huge best

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Never been done before, you know do all the Trump stuff and that would be that would be really great.

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That would be That would be super But we'll have to do that. But the raffle is live now if you want to buy a raffle ticket to get

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The knife that obviously When rich packs it up to mail it to you

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The little the little drops on it will be the tears There will be little will be little teardrops on the package as rich Well, at least we have fun on the dividing line even when we're on the road so again

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Thanks to everybody and I apologize. I only got so so many Of your questions, but keep them and That works so well that we're gonna be doing this again

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There's that. Yeah, it's it's actually a lot easier than trying to take calls

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There is a behemoth of a device up there that Rich has put together that would allegedly allow me to make calls and be able to hear people's

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Very complex how all this stuff work But we got to about as many questions as we normally do with the live calling stuff actually with much less technical challenge and it does seem that Twitter is the way people will be communicating in the future now that everybody else is dead

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Facebook's down everything else is down, but hey Here we have Twitter. It's still working.

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So All right. The only problem with this is I have to remember how in the world

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To get out of all of this and and click all the things that I have to click

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So there I have started the outro music and that gives me a few seconds to get out of here

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But anyways, thanks for watching. I don't know when we'll be back again I'm traveling to Colorado Springs, but we try to try to fit it in somewhere along the way.

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So Download the app be ready and we'll see you next time