Matt Slick Live: January 28, 2025

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. I hope you guys are going to have a good time.

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I don't know what's going on. Why is that not working? You know, when you do something, when you change a little something, it can be difficult.

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All right. Now recently, I was asked to speak at an online conference on Eastern Orthodoxy.

Eastern Orthodoxy. And I do plan to do that. I'm going to be speaking on the, it's kind of hard to describe, but the sacramental system of salvation.

And also the priesthood in the Eastern Orthodox Church. So it's going to be, for me, it's going to be a very interesting discussion.

Because the, well, as you guys know, I really study this stuff a lot.

And I seek to present, let's see, how do I say this?

Present the most accurate information I can in order to represent the other side properly.

And I try to make sure that I'm representing everybody and everything accurately.

So one of the things that's come up recently is that I'm going to be meeting with some, with some, how do

I say this? Some actual Eastern Orthodox people who defend the Eastern Orthodox faith. And what they're going to do is they're going to talk with me about the certain doctrines.

I said, look, I want to, because they know I'm against Eastern Orthodoxy. And so I said, look, what I'd like to do is just ask you a bunch of questions.

Just get in and just ask questions. And they've agreed to do that. So I've asked for documentation.

I've asked for all kinds of information. And they said they're going to provide this kind of stuff.

So this is what I'm looking for. And I'm hoping that it's going to work out very, very well, very nicely. Getting as much information as I can from them.

And we'll just see how that goes. So all I can do is try. And I'm going to continue to work on that and continue to do that.

So there you go for that. All right. Like I said, give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

I did download all kinds of new stuff. And get things going different ways.

We're going to get the system going today. And I'm still working on trying to make it work. So we'll just see what happens.

All right. We've got a caller coming in. And like I said, if you want to give me an email, you can at info at CARM .org.

Info at CARM .org. And we can get into the questions that you offer.

Now what I would ask, that if you do that, that you would simply put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question.

And then we can get to the stuff. That's what we do right there. Radio comment or radio question.

And that's it. It's easy to do. All right. So like I said, we have a caller coming in.

But it's acting a little bit funny. And I don't know what's going on. Are they having phone problems?

I don't know. Let me just kind of ask. And this is what happens when you rebuild a system.

All right. I don't see anything. I'll ask them to see. So what does Eastern Orthodoxy teach?

Sacerdotal salvation is something really simple. I'm going to talk about it. Sacerdotal salvation is the idea that a person is saved by the participation in the sacraments.

That as long as you are keeping sacraments, as long as you are doing that kind of thing, communion, baptism, they call it the

Eucharist, varying things that their church says you have to do in order to receive the grace by which you are saved by which you are then enabled to have grace change you to make you more like a good

Christian. And so in that, you are able to be saved. So that's what they're teaching.

And so this, we call it sacramental salvation. And I'll be dealing with that. I'll be going through the

Eastern Orthodox sacraments, what they call the sacraments, and analyzing the documentation.

Analyzing the stuff that people give me on what it is they actually teach. Let me just tell you again that it's really difficult to get a lot of information from the

Eastern Orthodox because they really don't write any official systematics that are officially stated.

And because of that, it's difficult or it just makes it more difficult to be able to find out the detailed teachings of their positions.

What you have to do instead is read, read, read a lot.

And you get a gist of what it is they're saying. And then with that, you posit what it is they mean by it.

And then you hopefully are able to represent them properly. It may sound a little bit odd, but that's what they have to do in order to get it to work right.

To get them to deal with the what is it you're saying? That's not what we teach.

That's what so -and -so said. And they say, well, that's not what we mean, and things like that. So it gets difficult sometimes, but we'll be working on that.

Let's get to Germain. I can't activate him. I don't know why, but let's get to Germain.

If the producer can do that. And we will get to him. All right.

I can't get him to activate. Germain, are you there? Testing one, two.

I just stepped away really fast. We'll get to him a little bit because the producer had to leave.

So, we'll work on that in a little bit as well. All right. Man, this is happening.

So, sacerdotal salvation is salvation by work, by ceremonies, by doing the things that you want to do according to their church.

This is what really bothers me a lot about different churches. Particularly these what's called apostolic churches.

They claim to be the successors of the apostles. And they will then say that in order for you to be saved, you have to trust in their system.

It's a system of salvation. It's not justification by faith. It's a system of salvation. The system is by faith and keeping commandments and participating in sacraments.

It's a system. Now, what's really disturbing is that this Eastern Orthodox Church is gaining ground.

People are joining it. This is what I've been hearing. They're more and more interested in accepting the

Eastern Orthodox Church as true. I'm just blown away by that. I don't see how anybody could do that if they understand what the

Bible really is. So, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Hey, Jermaine. Welcome, buddy. You're on the air.

Alright. Yes, I'm here. Alright, man. So, what do you got, buddy? What's up?

Yeah, I just wanted to discuss 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 55 through 57.

Sure. The verse starts with, O death, where is thy sting? And what brought that to my attention is

I see a lot of believers that really do have a fear of death.

And I'm just kind of wondering if a lot of the reason for that fear is maybe we don't know as much as we should about what's over there with the

Lord versus over here. And I just kind of want to know, did that verse kind of apply to that fear?

And I want to hear what you have to say about it. Well, yeah. It's a natural phenomenon to be afraid of death.

We can have our faith and we do. But it's difficult to how do

I put this? It's difficult to just get rid of all the fears of the process of dying, of increasing pain, of lack of efficiency and darkness overtaking you permanently, so to speak.

So for a lot of people, it can be very difficult. And anybody who is afraid of death, I never look down upon them.

I understand it. I don't look forward to it. I'm trusting my

Lord. I know I'll be with Him. And that's an issue by faith. So all

I can do is trust in Him and hope in Him. And so when others have that same issue, it's a natural issue.

Now when we come to the Scriptures, by faith we trust.

By faith we believe that we're going to be resurrected, that Jesus rose from the dead.

And let's just say nobody has 100 % perfect faith so that we do struggle sometimes in varying areas.

And it's just a normal thing. Okay? So that's why people are concerned about dying out of 1

Corinthians 15 and stuff like that. Okay? Okay. Can I ask a quick follow -up?

Sure. Go ahead. Sure. Okay. So I've seen some other people who's just the opposite where they, either they were going through an extreme amount of pain, mentally, physically, or they were just like my grandmother was almost 100 and she was more than ready to go.

Like they almost had an excitement about getting out of here and not having to deal with you know, whatever.

Is that an increase in faith or is it that they're just being wary of the flesh?

Could be. We don't know their hearts. But when I was an assistant pastor at a church there was a 90 -something year old woman

I went to see as part of just comforting the sick and the ill.

And she died two or three weeks after I visited her. And she was a devout

Christian. And I just I'll never forget her saying,

I'm looking forward to going home and being with my Lord Jesus. I just never forgot that.

So maybe there's something to the idea that the closer you get to that, the more

I don't know the more grace He gives you. I don't know. But it's we just don't know until we're there.

You know? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. All right.

Well, thank you, Matt. I appreciate you. All right, buddy. God bless. God bless. All right.

Hey, folks. If you want to give me a call the number is 877 - 207 - 2276.

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We just lost the other guy there, so I think it was the question was

Adam and Eve saved? Will they go to heaven? And the answer is yeah, they were. They were saved.

And the reason we would say that is because the pre -incarnate Christ, as he walked in the garden of Adam and Eve, was able to and did cover them with animal skins.

Now, it does not say that he killed an animal in order to do that, but it does say covered with animal skins.

The implication is that an animal was sacrificed. An animal was killed because of the way

Jesus ended his death and it wasn't until after Adam and Eve sinned that this death then occurred in the world.

And I think it's interesting is that is that God, it looks like, it appears to be that God is the one who killed something first biologically to actually cease its biological life then and there.

Adam and Eve were killed spiritually, but their biological life continued after they sinned.

And so immediately what we see is the pre -incarnate Christ in the garden, who it appears to be.

The reason I say it appears to be is because there's no scripture that definitively says that an animal was killed, but it does say provided with animal skins.

That's consistent, the shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sins. It's consistent biblically, so that's why I say it certainly appears to be that the case that an animal was killed, maybe a sheep in order to cover

Adam and Eve with these garments. So if this is the case, and think about this, that a garment a lot of times we think of things in modern terms a garment like a shirt, a pair of pants, whatever, it's all clean, it's all new.

And so we kind of project the idea that it's new and this new garment's all clean.

But if it is the case that an animal was shed then the skin would have been ripped off, cut off,

I don't know. And then applied to Adam and Eve. So was it a bloodied garment or not?

The Bible doesn't say. So I can't say it is, but it would make sense to say that if it was a bloodied garment and that blood touched them, that this is reminiscent typological of the sacrifice of Christ that was to come.

And so by the pre -incarnate Christ shedding blood, he was instituting the sacrificial system that he himself would undergo later on.

And what I think is interesting is that it was God who offered the sacrifice and God who took that sacrifice and he provided for himself the sacrifice.

So God went and found an animal, killed that animal, removed the skin, the garment, the skin, and then covered them with it in the garden.

And Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane, which I've been there, it's interesting, and then instituted, then he went to the cross where the blood is shed and the

Garden of Gethsemane is really close to Golgotha, the place of the skull. I've seen it.

It's really close. You can walk to it in a minute or two. And so it just all makes sense as you put these things together to see how things work.

I like to see the patterns that God has. I like to see what he does and how wonderful he is in his presentation of the

Gospel. Alright, let's get to Ray from Virginia. Ray, welcome. You're on the air. Good evening,

Matt. I listen to you often. I've always got this query or question or assumption from people at times, and I wanted to know where I could find or continue to research this.

It's the question of if Adam and Eve were the only ones, they had Cain and Abel, and when Cain was exposed, apparently there were other people on the earth.

Where can I get some answers on that? Sure. So you're asking, I'm repeating this because we're having a little bit of an audio issue.

So you want to know where the other children came from that remarried, right? So what you do is you go to Genesis 4,

I believe it's Genesis 4 .1, and there it says the man had relations with Eve.

You can see he gave birth to Cain, and she said I've got a man child and where is it?

I hear a lot of background noise there, but I'll keep going. I'm sorry, it's just my truck. I'm driving a truck.

That's okay. That's all right. It happens. So he said he had other children.

It actually says so. Other children he had. So that's what's going on.

He just had more children. Now, we don't know how long it was before Adam and Eve were alive before they fell.

Personally, I don't think it was very long. That's just my position. It wasn't very long at all. So once they had children, they had a lot of children.

That's it. That's great. Thank you very much. I'll research that more because I get a lot of folks that kind of pose that question or just try to make it a conversation.

I can't add to it at all. So I thank you very much for clarity on that. I'll research it. Thank you. Good evening.

It's Genesis 5 -4. Genesis 5 -4. He had other sons and daughters. So then what's going to happen is people are going to say, well, that's incest.

And you say, yes, it was. Their genetic line was perfect. It was pure. So this could happen.

They could marry their sisters and brothers. They could do that and have children and there wouldn't be genetic deformity. It wasn't until later on that this was forbidden.

And that's the case. Interesting. Thank you very much for clearing that up. God bless you.

God bless. Okay, brother. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines.

877 -207 -2276. Mike from Toledo. Welcome.

You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Can you hear me okay on my rinky -dinky government cell phone?

Yes, I hear you, brother. I hear you. What's up? I wanted to comment on,

I believe it was your mail caller. He would now be three or four calls behind where he was talking about people who are close to death and why are they apprehensive?

Is it their faith or is it the fact that they're not a true believer?

And I kind of had a thought when I heard that what's the old adage saying?

You're kind of apprehensive to try something new. Yeah. People are still afraid to death because there's no...

We live by faith, not by sight. So it's a tough thing. And even devout

Christians can have those moments of okay, what's really going to happen? But they're trusting anyway.

And so this is just normal. Yes. Well, true, true. It's like the first time you ever rode your bike, you were a little apprehensive.

The first time you ever tried to cook an egg. So I kind of had a laugh about that.

But at the same time, yeah, I know what you mean. I'm 65. I've been in and out of the faith

I guess you could say. A lot of the childhood things and growing up in that,

I had a lot of struggling inter -emotionally. Now I'm kind of physically disabled in some areas.

But I listen to the radio. There's a break coming up. You want to hold on a little? Sure, I'll talk to you some more.

Thank you. Folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

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Welcome back to the show. Thanks for waiting and being patient. Let's get back on with Mike from Toledo.

Do you have one more question or anything? Not really.

Just kind of wanted to mention that you know, I listen to your show off and on when

I can get it on. I have like about seven different religious stations, so I kind of flip around like you would with a

TV surfing. But I like listening to you. I've heard some interesting callers from you.

Well, good. I hope that some of those aren't Catholic and that you're being seduced by the false teachings of Catholicism because that's bad.

No. The ones I usually pick up on your station when

I do listen in are people that argue about something and you know if they just opened up the pages in between the two covers of the hard book they might actually be able to decipher and discern a little more better than what some of them.

Instead of just getting hot -headed and going, well, that's not right. Yeah, that's true.

That is true. Well, good. I'm glad that you're listening. So keep listening because there's a lot more to say and hopefully by God's grace we'll really be well, you know, adding stuff, you know.

Yep, and I'll tell you what, I heard about you having to have a little debate with the

Eastern Orthodox. I will pray for you on that one. I'm sure that they're going to be challenging.

Oh yes, they are. They're all challenging. I think I'll give, after you're gone, what

I'll do is I will mention one of the things that they do, and it's out of a

Mormon actually. They twist things. Oh yeah.

Just like the Mormons and the Jehovah's and a few other different brands out there that claim, you know,

Jesus and Satan are twin brothers. Yeah. Okay, I don't see where that says it in the

Bible, but you know, hey, that's what you want to believe. That's what happens. Mormonism is not

Christian, that's for sure, even though they say they are. In fact, it reminds me, I've been going into Instagram and I don't know what happened.

I don't go on there and I just started going on to check things out and just getting flooded with Mormon posts, how great

Mormonism is. I wrote up a paragraph to put in there just documented from Mormon sources.

There's many gods. There's a goddess mom. All this weird stuff from Mormonism that just makes it not Christian.

I just paste them in. I just paste it in to these varied things. I don't say they're Christian or not Christian. I just paste it.

That's what they're teaching. Hopefully it will cause conversations and people to realize how aberrant, how off the mark the

Mormon church is. Oh, it is so bad. It's kind of a last -ditch effort to get people like some of these other ones, kind of like the

TV evangelist. I can't even say the word, but the TV evangelist that go, hey,

God will really save you and all this, but I think he needs a small donation first.

Okay. Sometimes it does happen. Yes, that's right.

Oh, yeah. And then they act like they're so poor in spirit and humility and they're so humble, but they've got the yacht and the mansion and a few things that you don't see.

Yeah, it's okay to have those things, but as long as they're not the whole thing. It's just that Mormonism, what it does is it uses

Christian words, but it changes the meanings of the words. And then they appeal using emotion.

A great deal of emotion. I feel so wonderful and family forever, and it just sounds so good.

I've seen a lot of the videos, they're kind of condescending when they talk about how we, the anti -Mormons, don't really understand them.

And I'm like, yes, we do. You better believe we understand you. And it's really kind of interesting.

So, okay, buddy. We've got some callers. We're going to move along. All right. You guys take it easy.

Be safe wherever you are. All right. Okay. God bless. All right.

Now let's get to, next longest waiting is, let's see, let's get to, come on, there we go,

Mario from North Carolina. Mario, welcome. You're on the air. Oh, thank you,

Matt. God bless you, brother. Yeah, I have a question regarding your take on immigration policy now that a lot of things have been changing lately.

I've been noticing, my entire family is, you know, I come from a family of pastors, evangelical pastors myself.

So I grew up in Christianity. But I have never seen so much hate from the

Christian community towards strangers and immigrants. It's not hatred. And that's so unbiblical.

Hatred, yes. Even from pastors. How do you define that?

How do you define hatred? Hatred, I define it as closing doors, not being merciful and compassionate about the needs of the poor, the naked, and the...

Let me ask you something. Should we allow people to just cross the borders from all over the southern border?

This is not political, Matt. I'm talking about the Bible. I know,

I got you. But the Bible also says... I got you.

The Bible also says to submit to the elders and the government, the rulers and stuff.

It says submit to them. So, I'm just asking you, since the law of the land is that you come in, just come in, but do it legally.

That's all. Right, but you're making it political and that's contrary to God's word.

No, no, no, no, it's not contrary to speak about politics in the

Bible. Yes, it is. Hold on, let me explain. Jesus said, rendered a Caesar what is

Caesar's. If you read Matthew 25, 43 -46, it's contrary to what you're telling me,

Matt. so does not Jesus say, rendered a Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is

God's? Is that not a political statement about Caesar being in control politically? Is that not the case?

But if he goes to... I didn't ask you. Mario, you need to answer the question.

Mario, you have to answer the question. Is it a political statement Jesus is making when he says, rendered to Caesar what belongs to Caesar?

Is it political or not? And what is Caesar's in this case? Caesar was the emperor and he was the governmental head in the

Roman Empire. No, but what does it mean to give Caesar what is Caesar's?

What do you get from that? It means to submit in taxation, in the context, it means to submit in the rule, with knowledge of God ungodly, to what was going on.

So, that's it. So what's wrong with being unmerciful to your neighbor? Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Love you God, love your neighbor as yourself. I'm listening to you, but you're not listening to me either.

Yes I am, but you're not listening. Look, two days ago I'm picking up medicine from my wife and I'm in the first one in line at a pharmacy in the front, to the left

I could tell he was an illegal alien. I didn't say anything, I didn't do anything. He's using his phone to get medicine.

How do you know he was an illegal alien, Matt? Okay, Mario, if you don't let me finish talking I'm not going to have you talk anymore.

Okay? Alright, go ahead. Alright. He didn't speak any English and he was using his phone to try and communicate.

Look, I used to live in San Diego. I know what illegals look like. I know, okay? I have a friend who's a border patrol.

You're being prejudiced now. Okay, so here we go, we're dropping you because you don't let me finish.

You won't let me finish my sentences and you're not listening, so you're gone. Now, what

I was going to do was step up and help him get his medicine. I was going to speak

Spanish and help him get what he needed so that he could go for whatever need it was.

It's not being unmerciful. It's not being unkind. It's being helpful. Now, we need as Christians to submit to the laws of the land and the laws of the land say we are to have people come in across our borders legally.

That's all it is. It's not being unmerciful to say, I'm sorry, you came in illegally. You broke the law.

You need to be gone. That's lawful. It's law. That's what we should be doing because so many of these people who've come in are murderers and we have terrorists who've come in from China.

We know that there are people coming in to steal our secrets. We know people from the Middle East have swarmed in by the thousands.

We've got to be careful. We've got to get rid of them. I agree. Then just have them come in legally.

That's all we're saying. It's not unmerciful. It's not being unkind to do that either. When I was in San Diego and I used to work at a hospital speaking

Spanish to registered patients, I could tell when they were newly across the border.

I could tell. I never turned them in. I wasn't going to turn them in. They're there for help. Just show them compassion.

They need it and that's what they should be doing. They need to be able to be safe to be able to get medicine and help. That's not a problem.

We need to adhere to the laws of the land as much as we can. We'll be on the phone back with Scott after the break.

Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276

Here's Matt Slick. Okay everybody, welcome back to the show. Sorry for the tech problems we're having, but we are.

At least on my end. You guys don't hear it in the radio area. Let's get to Scott from Spokane. Scott, welcome.

You're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt. How have you been lately? Super busy. Yeah, same here, my friend.

Yeah. It sounds like you just figured that out. I wanted to let you know that on Rumble and on YouTube, you can only hear your voice and not the audience.

It sounds like you figured that out. Is that right? Yeah. I have to reboot the computer to hopefully activate the new microphone that we put in, because I didn't do that before.

As a computer tech, sometimes things don't get picked up, even though it's dynamic. It should be ready. It's a different kind of a setup.

Yeah. I've been rebuilding my computer now for about 24 hours.

Putting stuff together, getting it all ready to go. That's all. Okay? Well, good.

I'm glad I got through. I've been attempting to call for weeks now, and I keep calling at the tail end.

Anyway, I have a couple of really good questions. The first one is in Zechariah 5.

I'm just running this by you. I would appear that I might have found a verse that indicates female angels in verse 9.

Yeah, that's one of the places. Two women are coming out with the wind in their wings. They had wings like wings of a stork, and they lifted up the ephod between the earth and the heavens.

That's the only place you can go to in the Bible where it might mean something like an angel.

Might. So let's look at verse 5. And the angel who was speaking with me went out and said to me,

Lift up now your eyes and see what is going forth. I said, What is it? And he said, This is the ephod going forth.

Again, he said, This is their appearance in all the land. And behold, a lead cover, excuse me, lead cover was lifted up.

And this is a woman sitting inside the ephod. So it's a vision that's happening.

He said, This is wickedness. And he threw her down in the middle of the ephod and cast a lead weight on its opening.

Then he lifted up the eyes and looked. There were two women coming out with the wind in their wings. So they had wings, etc.

And he said to the angel who was speaking with me, Where are they taking the ephod? So it doesn't say they're angels.

Some could interpret it as angels in a feminine sense. And I don't have any problem with that.

That's what the Bible teaches. But this is not a very good place or it's not proof that that is the case because it's a vision and don't know what those women represent.

Okay. Okay. Those are sort of my thoughts also. And just a quick question. What is the ephod? Oh, what's an ephod?

An ephod is Let me look. I used to know that.

Come on. What is that? An ephod. You know what is an ephod? You should usually see my notes right there.

Let me try this. I know what an ephod is. An ephod.

It is. Let's see. I think it's a unit of measurement.

An ephod. That's right it was. So, like a certain amount like a bushel and things like that.

It's what it is. So, an ephod. That's right. This is an ephod going forward.

This is our appearance. That's really interesting. What is that in light of that?

That's a good question. In light of that, what's an ephod? Huh. This is what's going forth.

It is the ephod. So, I'm trying to find it in the Hebrew. To... I can't really find it.

Why is this interesting? Oh, there it is right there. So, I click on that and why is it not opening?

Huh. Well, I have to redownload my program. I have to adjust that as well. So, that's a good question.

Why is it related to that in Zechariah 5? An ephod is generally speaking a unit of measurement.

Right. It would beg the question, why is it evil? Well, it could represent...

Okay. Alright, so it's a measurement of grain and it's personified as wicked.

So, there's something about the feeding of the grain that goes in that is wicked in it. So, personified as the women inside a measuring basket.

Sometimes food, grain represents money, power, influence, personal safety, greed.

So, it would be interesting to think about that and focus on that as an issue in Zechariah 5 to see what that says.

So, I think I might look at that. I'm curious about it. That's a good question. Okay, well, for now,

I've got another one. If we just skip one more chapter ahead in chapter 6. I'd like to ask about 6 .8

and specifically who are these of the north and what do they do to calm or rest

Yahweh? I can't tell you off the top of my head. I don't know. Those who are going to the land of the north have appeased my wrath.

So, I don't know what the antecedent is to the word those and who it is. Good question. I don't know off the top of my head.

So, I can look in my commentaries and see if they have anything really quickly. Transplanted to Babylon is one of the things that seems to be hinted at up there.

So, good question. Okay. You got time for one or two more?

Well, we've got another person waiting. So, we're going to get to them. Okay, then call back tomorrow, alright?

Okay, buddy? Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Alright, man. God bless. Alright, let's get to Jake from North Carolina.

Jake, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Mr. Slick. Can you hear me alright? Yes, I do hear you.

Alright. So, I agree with your stance on the immigration with that caller, but I was wondering like we have fought

Britain and Hitler was a government. I mean, why did they not have to give to Hitler?

What is Hitler? I mean, Hitler is extreme, but maybe some country. Yeah, what we do is we submit to the, as I said to that gentleman,

I said we submit to the government as long as it's not contradicting Scripture. That's the key. So, you know,

I could tell he was emotionally involved with it, just wouldn't hear and he started going and going. I know the listeners can't really hear, at least on a couple of venues we've got right now.

No, we can hear where I was. Yeah, you guys could on the radio, yeah. And so, yeah, you know, he started becoming emotional and just interrupting constantly and saying, you know, it's not loving and kind, but merciful.

Well, we're also supposed to balance that with with what the laws of the land are.

And is it merciful to encourage people to come over with coyotes who are abusing them a lot of times, leaving them in the deserts to die?

Is that what we want to encourage them to do? You know, have people invade? And so, it's a problem.

And you know, I used to live in San Diego and I learned to speak enough Spanish there to have conversations in Spanish and I worked at a hospital,

I'd help people out. And I understand, they're just trying to make a better life. I don't blame them. I don't blame them at all.

Yeah, I've had a few buddies. I have another question if you don't mind.

I hate to interrupt you. I know you're if I hated to interrupt you,

I wouldn't have done it right. I know that you are you think we're going to go through the rapture as Christians.

We're going to go through the tribulation. Yes, tribulation. But I think

I've heard you say that you used to be a preacher. Yes.

Yeah, for a little while. Because when I was first going to church, I just believed what they said.

Until I started studying. No, it doesn't work. So did you stand on that stance on your radio show when people would call?

No, never. I've been doing apologetics since 1980, but I was a

Christian before that. So I learned about pre -trib versus post -trib stuff a few years before it.

I wasn't involved in defending the faith. I did a study on it and I said, no,

I'm sorry. Pre -trib just doesn't fit the scriptures. And that was it. I don't remember exactly what year, but that was back in the 80s or maybe late 70s.

And this has to do with the tribulation. So the seven churches in the book of Revelation and I think you said something about a tour that you went on or something.

So we know those churches. We know those churches that are locations.

So some of the stuff that is going to go down, we know where it's going to go down at.

Yes, we have geographical locations. I've been to all of the churches twice.

I thought it was metaphoric. No, no, no. I don't know. We'd have to study to see in Revelation.

It's speaking about those churches though, but we have the geographical locations of all of them and it's easy to go to.

You sign up on a tour you go. You go visit them in Turkey. That's pretty wild that we know where about kind of that stuff is going to go down in Revelation.

Oh, yes, something's going down. That's right. Well, you know what

I mean, like in a certain area. Yes, well Armageddon for example.

I've seen Armageddon Valley also and been there and it's pretty amazing.

It's humongous. Why don't we just go camp out there? Because it's Israel. There's farmers there.

We'll get in trouble on our land. Okay. Well, I appreciate you.

Sure, man. No problem at all. When I was younger when

I was younger I used to think that it would be cool to live in the end times, but the older I get and see the stuff that comes with it and have children it's insane.

It's going to get bad. I teach what's called a deprescotology that things are just going to get worse. I guess this is what it was like during Noah's time.

Yeah, and we're having a reprieve with Trump in right now. But we know that the powers that are working towards evil will not give up.

The Bible talks about things getting bad. Oh yeah, for sure. It's not

It's not easy. Yes, sir. Thank you.

God bless. Okay. So we've got one minute left in the show.

Let me just make a comment about the immigration thing, folks. I'm for immigration. I believe.

Invite people into the country. Just have them vetted and do it legally. That's all. If they want to break the law to come in then they need to be told not to do that.

We need people who abide by law not by breaking it in so many areas.

And living in San Diego having lived there for like 15 years I can tell you that the situation with the illegals down there made things a lot worse.

A lot more difficult. Especially when they come in and be there for years and years and not speak

English. Come into the country learn the language become a citizen that's it.

Adapt. That's all we're asking. Become American. That's all. And that's it. So, do it legally.

Do it right. I hope they do. We like that. We want more people to come in. We need it. We need a good variety.

That's for sure. May the Lord bless you. There's a music and by His grace we'll be back on here tomorrow.