April 21, 2020 Show with Rev. Geoff Thomas on “If Disaster Occurs in the City Will Not the Lord Have Done It? (Amos 3:6)”

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He is one of my favorite people to interview alive and he is also one of my favorite preachers and teachers and authors and he was For over half a century pastor at Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth Wales.

I really got a hang of saying that didn't I or don't I? I'm pronouncing the pronouncing it correctly. Don't I pronounce it fairly? Well, you you pronounce it. Very well.

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Pastor Thomas is very well known for his affiliation with the banner of truth ministry. He has spoken at their conferences. He has written books for them. He's also written for Reformation Heritage books and today.

For day two of our two-day interview We have switched the topic to if dastur a disaster occurs in the city Will not the Lord have done it. From Amos chapter 3 verse 6. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Well, amen, and I know that we do this every time that you're on but you never know.

Who's listening for the first time. If you could let our listeners know a little bit more about Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth Wales, where are you pastored as I said for over half a century and now.

Thanks be to God your grandson is at the helm. Pastoring after you retired.

That's right. And the very same man in which I raised three girls. He's raising his three boys. Wow, oh great. Yeah. Centenary.

Nothing but the lightweights over there.

Now as. Go ahead. I'm sorry now as far as you know has Alfred Place Baptist Church in all of its 150 years.

That would be a hundred years prior to you.

Has it always been a theologically reformed Baptist Church? No, no. Amen. Well if anybody is visiting.

Aberystwyth Wales or if you live in that area and you need a church home. The website is Alfred place church dot org dot UK. Alfred place church dot org dot UK. Well this as I said at the outset of the program Is a very timely theme and a very timely passage for the days we are living in right now.

If disaster occurs in the city will not the Lord have done it Amos chapter 3 verse 6. That's a very unpopular Thought even amongst probably the majority of evangelical Christians today. They don't like to think of God Having anything to do with disaster in the world let alone having done it, but if you could give us the context For this passage that you wanted to address today.

700 to 8 of Amos chapter 1. Will not retain his strength nor shall the mighty flee away the first.

Praise God. We already have a listener with a question we have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who says When we read passages like this or when our friends who do not know Christ Especially read passages like this or hear them preached How do we overcome the objection that the God of Christianity is nothing more than a tyrant.

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Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. Who says when we talk about God being sovereign? Above all things that ever will occur and ever have occurred How do we avoid the accusation or should I say? How do we answer the accusation that we are teaching.

God is the author of evil. That's something that we may never in fact, I'm certain will never fully understand this side of heaven the same as the hypostatic Union how our Savior of Christ could be 100 God and 100 man.

That's right, what you just read is known as the Shema and the Old Testament. I was very.

Thrilled to hear that Master's Seminary is working with the publishers of the New American Standard Bible and They're going to use in their translation What was the original word for God there or name for God Yahweh?

Whereas all other translations or at least the majority of them that I'm aware of used the term Adonai which was a change Centuries ago when the the Jews did not the out of terror of using the name of the Lord in vain I did not want to say the word Yahweh to name Yahweh and So therefore people even Christians have been repeating the Shema with Adonai in there but it's actually the true name of God Yahweh and I just heard that they're there this new New edition of the New American Standard Bible is going to stick.

Yeah, very good. Let's see here. We have another listener. We have this one is an anonymous listener who says. When we are having discussions with our friends, which often break out into arguments in my town How do we explain to the folks that this is not just merely a natural phenomenon that we are Experiencing with the virus that is plaguing this globe that God is intricately involved in this.

How do we explain this better to our friends and family who do not believe in the sovereignty of God?

Yeah, so we very quickly.

Even when we are born-again believers in Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit. We often sin. By immediately looking around us to see who else is to blame other than looking into our heart. Well, we have to we have to go to our very first break right now.

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We are now back with pastor Jeff Thomas who is the retired pastor of Alford Place Baptist Church in Everest with Wales where he served in the ministry for over 50 years and today We are addressing if disaster occurs in the city will not the Lord have done it.

One of the things that you were mentioning before about those that teach that God Could not and is not the source of anything that is a Disaster or calamity or something that brings sorrow into our lives?

They think they are defending God's character when they do that and they they somehow Say anyway, I don't believe that they're being honest not that they're intentionally lying, but I think that they're unconsciously.

Not.

Telling the the reality of how it is, but they say they find more comfort in that thought. How could one? Possibly find comfort in knowing that God is omniscient and omnipresent and Omnipotent and yet he just sits and watches as a spectator as As what we are going through in this world the pain and the suffering.

Let's see. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania. Who asks. I don't know what the situation is in Wales, but here in America very often Those who believe they are patriotic tend to look upon this country as something superior to all other countries in the world and They think that we innately Have the ability to press through Such national tragedies as the pandemic and even those that have been much worse in our past Due to something that is inborn in us or at least culturally raised up in us and This although has a right place Patriotism that is I fear that it very often becomes idolatrous the way that you may not even hear God mentioned when you hear about the way that Americans bravely work through these things and also demonstrate great compassion and.

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Because banner of truth has postponed their East Coast ministers conference where dr Conrad and Bayway was going to be on the roster and he was our keynote speaker at the pastors luncheon and I'm not even 100 sure whether Conrad would even be able to fly out of Africa at this point until a ban is lifted on Foreign flights entering into the United States.

So, please pray that we can Reschedule that luncheon very soon. I have never had dr. M. Bayway preach at one of my Pastors luncheons. He's a dear friend of mine that I've known since 1995. The church where I was formerly a member Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Merrick Long Island was the very first church where Conrad ever preached in the United States during his visit to his first visit to the United States in 1995 and I've Maintained a close friendship with him ever since so I am really looking forward not only to See him preach and hear him preach but to enjoy fellowship with him.

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