April 6, 2016 Show with Andrew Beckwith on “The Utter Madness of the Leftist Homosexual Totalitarian Agenda”

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This is Chris Ornson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this

sixth day of April 2016 and today we are going to be

discussing something that is going to be frustrating to many of you,

enraging, maddening, saddening, but

God is still on the throne and still in control over all the universe.

We're going to be talking today about the utter madness of the leftist homosexual totalitarian agenda

and our guests today to discuss this are first for the first hour Andrew Beckwith

who is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Andrew has been on our broadcast once before.

In our second hour we are going to be interviewing an anonymous woman who

Andrew has worked with, Diane X we are calling her, and

Diane is the mother of a boy who was identified by his school counselor

as being gay and who was later removed from his Christian home by the Department

of Children and Families, otherwise known as DCF, and we're going to be talking about this

horrific nightmarish scenario that sounds like the script from

a really bad movie, but first of all welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Andrew

Beckwith.

Thank you for having me, Chris.

And for our listeners who are discovering you for the first time, who didn't hear you on our last program, why don't you

tell our listeners.

Something

about the

Massachusetts Family

Institute.

Sure, Massachusetts Family

Institute, yeah

we just had.

Cary Kupec of Alliance Defending Freedom on the program just about a week or two ago.

Wonderful.

And I'm no stranger to them as they represented my dear friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha

and Omega Ministries when he debated Barry Lynn, the president of

the Americans United for Separation of Church and State organization, at least he was the

president back then, and Dr. Lynn was defending homosexuality

as being completely compatible with biblical Christianity, and Dr. White

thoroughly but kindly, and like a gentleman, destroyed

him in that debate.

When I say destroyed him, I had to preface it by saying he was kind and a gentleman because he was not mean

-spirited or did not use mockery or anything like that.

But Mr. Lynn, or Dr. Lynn, or Reverend Lynn, because he's an ordained United Church of Christ

minister, showed up at this debate even though he knew it was on biblical data.

He didn't even have a Bible with him and had a yellow legal pad, and I just think he thought he was going to steamroller

through that debate knowing that he was an ACLU attorney at one point and he just lost miserably and

threatened to sue Alpha and Omega Ministries if they distributed the video of the

debate.

But thankfully, Mr. Lynn and his attorneys and

everyone at the organization he represents failed to make it to the hearing,

so the judge saw in favor of Alpha and Omega Ministries and they were able to continue

distributing the video.

That sort of proves the rule.

Yep.

And I'd like to introduce you to my co -host who's been a co -host with me for the last several months,

I believe, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello.

Good afternoon, Reverend.

Good to meet you.

And how long has it been?

Well, it's been two months, actually.

Two months?

Okay, I guess it just seems like an eternity.

Yes, I'm sure about that.

And Reverend Buzz pointed out to me recently that I have to change our opening announcement because we went from one hour to two hours

quite a long time ago and the announcement still says one hour.

But anyway, why don't you keep us up to speed before we give a little bit of a

precursor to our second hour with Diane X.

Why don't you give us some scenarios of things that the Massachusetts

Family Institute has been battling there in your state recently?

Sure.

Well, I'm just sort

of...

So the public policy and the...

Find ways to live out...

Partner eventually and have children, Lord willing, but despite having some...

Or if it's actually a boy on the inside, because that's what

the rule's telling her, this would be treatment, talk therapy, just to...

Yeah, this is real frightening stuff.

This is not only frightening, but it's sick, it's twisted.

When you think about government agencies intruding into the private lives of

families and enforcing by legal mandate the

celebration of this evil behavior that we who are

Christians and also those who are Orthodox Jews and members of other religions that

share our biblical morality, this behavior that we view

as unnatural and damning and it's just absolutely

breathtakingly disturbing that these things are happening.

I can't help but think of a very famous novel, The Secret Life of

Walter Mitty, and you may think this is weird to bring this up, but that was an adult who lived in this fantasy

world about being all kinds of heroic figures and so on, and children live in

fantasy worlds.

They don't really know what their goals

are in life yet or what they're going to be.

They're very often confused about a lot of things and live in a

world of imagination a lot of times, and sometimes it's to an unhealthy degree obviously,

but to think that children are mature enough and responsible enough

and accountable enough to make decisions regarding their sexuality and their

actual gender, I mean obviously we would say that they can never

change their gender no matter what kind of medication or surgery may be performed on them, but to

think that parents and physicians would be a party to this

mutilation or even considering it, it's just utterly amazing.

You would

think

that some

parents

might

think that

their

child

is a

puppy

dog or

a

frog

or a bird,.

Because children imitate those things all the time.

I said that as a

joke and you're telling me about

real types of practice.

You think you've heard it all.

I've heard

about that

where a woman was blinded

voluntarily and a doctor actually participated in that.

And there is a certain dysphoria where people believe that their limbs

are foreign objects and they won't be happy and won't have peace of mind until the limbs are removed.

All kinds of obviously sick and twisted things here.

And yet

it's sort of

the talk there,

a woman,

hormone

injections.

I've brought this up before with other guests who have raised this issue about the unisex

bathrooms and there's something that's really puzzling to me that liberals would

be universally in favor of that because where are these feminists

that want to protect women from predatory males who are going to be either

leering at them or maybe even trying to attack them in these restrooms?

I don't even understand that.

Still has the same voice of the guy doing the Wheaties commercial that I remember.

So ironically, women who have been fighting for all kinds of rights for

100 years or more, now they're losing the right of privacy.

Absolutely.

No, it's a huge concern.

It's very ironic.

It's women's bar association.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

No, it's just a reflection of this is the current...

And ironically, racial minorities in this country, even

those that are affiliated with theologically liberal churches, it

seems that they are breaking the liberal mold

and really protesting these things that I...

I mean, obviously, you have a number of African -American activists in the spotlight

that may be in favor of these things, but it seems that in the inner cities, local pastors from

the black and Hispanic communities, especially even if their denominational or

church affiliation is liberal, they seem to be coming out in droves to protest all kinds of things that

involve homosexuality being pushed upon the culture.

I hear you

saying

California

and

Massachusetts

a

lot.

Are they pretty much the worst states for this kind of stuff?

I remember years ago, I lived in Maine, and it was quite popular for

a lot of the gay agenda from Massachusetts to come up and try to influence our

legislative system.

Now, tell us something about the laws that are

currently on the books in Massachusetts and include some of the other more liberally

governed states and then give us a broader picture on as much of the United

States as you can tell us.

But, for instance, how young is a child legally

able to get involved in, for lack of a better term, barring their language,

gender reassignment, or whatever you want to call it, involving medication and surgery?

How young would a parent or parents be legally able to take a

child into a hospital or a doctor's office and have these things?

I don't know.

At any age?

As far as I know, if you have...

We're going to be going to a break right now.

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This is Chris Zarnes, and if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron today, our guest for the first hour

is Andrew Beckwith, and Andrew Beckwith has been our guest before here on Iron

Sharpens Iron.

We are discussing the frighteningly horrific and breathtakingly

disturbing leftist totalitarian homosexual agenda that has

gotten a lot of foothold tragically in this country.

And Andrew is speaking as the president of Massachusetts Family Institute today,

and immediately following his interview, we're going to be joined by a woman who

Andrew has worked with, we're calling her Diane X, in order to

protect her family and especially her son who has been identified by

a school counselor as gay and who was removed from his Christian home by the

Department of Children and Families, the DCF.

But if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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We do have an anonymous listener who wants to know,.

Andrew,.

Was there a time in history before this insanity.

Really.

Took.

Foothold in the United States where there were doctors and parents being

criminally prosecuted for this kind of activity or the attempts to do so

with their children in regard to gender reassignment?

Not that I'm aware of.

Well, I know that the earliest reference that I have ever heard

of, of such a barbaric thing such as the gender

reassignment of a young person comes from a book that

a guest I had on recently, although I did not interview him on the subject of the Beast of Revelation, but that book,

Dr. Kenneth Gentry, who identifies, in his view of eschatology, Nero as the

Beast of Revelation, he says that he has pretty convincing historical

documentation that Nero, when his wife died, found a young boy

during one of his travels through a village that resembled his wife,

and he actually had the young boy somehow, as much as they could

do back then, physically altered to even more resemble a woman, and he married.

The young boy.

This is, of course, not somebody who is to be admired from history.

Nero is one of the most satanic and grotesque and diabolical

human beings that God ever allowed to be born of woman on this planet.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, do you see these

insane laws protecting the homosexual agenda spreading rapidly

outside of these liberal states you mentioned, Massachusetts and California?

How much at risk is Pennsylvania, for instance, he asks.

Well, you've got a good man in Pennsylvania,

Mike

Geer,

intentional.

And so, obviously, these laws are being pushed by not

only Democrats, then the Republican Party is guilty of its own cowards

in office who are bowing to the leftist agenda.

Yes, I mean, and

even

if...

Now,.

Barring a miracle, or barring the fulfillment of post

-millennial eschatology, post -millennial.

Hopes,.

Do you see realistically, I mean, we all who are Christians believe God

can do anything that he chooses to do.

With God, all things are possible, as Jesus Christ himself said.

But when you look at just the data, and when you look at what's going on in this country and in this

culture, do you see realistically the ability of those with biblical

morals to recapture lost ground?

I mean, it almost seems like a dreamland that you're thinking of to

view the United States as being free from legal abortions and

things that you're talking about.

Does any of this look realistic as far as the data is concerned, what you're seeing in this country?

Sure.

Well,

that

may

or

may

not

happen.

I mean, it

has

prophetic

role,

with

the

same values.

We have Christopher from.

Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, who asks, I don't know if you are at liberty to say, but is

there a presidential candidate that you can publicly support as being most

aligned with the goals of your organization?

Sure.

Good question.

So we're a 501c3.

We do issues, not candidates.

That's kind of the short answer.

We're

going

to.

Be addressing the case of a woman that you are very familiar with.

We are calling her Diane X.

Before we actually interviewed Diane, if you could tell us as much about that case

in a preparatory fashion for that interview, especially since some of our listeners may have to

leave us at the 5 o 'clock hour.

So if you could tell us something about that case with Diane X.

Sure.

It's been.

A while since I've talked to her about this, so if I get any of the details wrong, I apologize.

Yeah, this

is

really.

Disturbing because it is obviously a blatant violation of the

freedom of religion in this country.

And what's to say that a government agency can't remove a child from their home

who is being raised in an Orthodox Jewish family and he just doesn't want to be an Orthodox

Jew anymore and he's a young child or a Christian or any other religion.

I mean, this is just really bizarre

that people are looking upon this as not only acceptable but actually

the right thing to do and it's really very

obvious, it's painfully obvious that this is nothing to do with equal rights.

Homosexuality trumps religion.

No pun intended with Trump or anything.

Absolutely.

But...

It's very ironic here, obviously,

this

is.

Really twisted, it's just the way that all these things are escalating

at a quicker pace.

I mean, people forget that Barack Obama, when he was running for president, was

against same -sex marriage at least publicly.

And so were the Clintons before him and now for

a person to say the very same things that the Clintons and Barack Obama used to say, that could

involve that person losing their career, it could involve them being fined heavily for something.

I mean, it's just absolutely insane that the rapid pace which

this totalitarian leftist homosexual agenda is really taking over.

Now, people hear that kind of thing and they chuckle, they think this is

conspiratorial kind of nuttiness but this is actually what's happening.

There's no.

Debate about it.

These things are happening.

Right, I mean, you've got the Republican governor of Georgia who's refusing to sign religiously.

This is just...

I'm a little speechless, but if you could, I want to make sure that you

say everything that you would like to have etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before you leave.

And if we have time to take another question or two from the listeners after that, we will, but I just want to make sure we don't run

out of time without you saying what you most want our listeners to remember when they leave

this program today.

The most important thing is.

From Cumberland County, Pennsylvania wants to know, are

you aware of churches and pastors losing any

freedom of speech and religion in your state of Massachusetts and elsewhere where

they have actually been fined or prohibited from

teaching the prohibitions of homosexuality that are clearly taught in the scriptures?

Sure, pastors per se.

Are...

Is this

all

theory

that you're

speaking

of?

I mean, do...

Across the border in every state in this country can Christian schools.

Only.

Offer their their.

When they're looking for teachers and they're hiring individuals can they

exclusively hire those who share their religious beliefs?

So it depends on the constitutional law

so people can hire the minister.

To the people

have questions about that,

I would go to AllianceDefendingFreedom .org.

Now is it just the homosexual agenda that has

gotten a stronghold in this area that you're talking about?

Well, for instance can somebody who is a Muslim sue a Christian church for not

hiring him as a librarian or whatever the case may be?

They taught me in law school to

answer

the

question

of courts

having some sexual desire

issue

orientation.

Well I know that your

website.

Is MAFamily .org M -A for Massachusetts Family .org and I really

appreciate you being on the program and I eagerly look forward to you returning to the broadcast, Mr. Beckwith

and God bless you and thank you for being a wealth of information today.

Likewise thank you for having me.

And I want everybody to stay tuned because coming up we have Diane X she is the woman

that we mentioned a couple of times who is a Christian and

who had a son who was identified as a school counselor as gay

and then later removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families otherwise known as

DCF.

We're going to be hearing her story after these messages so don't go away, we're going to be right

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Orange and if you just tuned us in, we're on our way to our second hour.

We're going to be featuring as our guest someone who is going to remain anonymous and we are calling her

Diane X.

Diane X is the mother of a boy who was identified by his school

counselor as being gay and who was later removed from his Christian home by the Department

of Children and Families, otherwise known as DCF.

And we're going to hear more about this tragic story from our guest

herself and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron, Diane X.

Hi Chris.

Hi, how are you?

And I'd like to introduce...

Hi.

I'm sorry?

I said I'm fine.

Oh okay.

I'd like to introduce you to my co -host, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Good to meet you.

Hi, thanks for having me.

Well, first of all, let's go back as far as we can go in regard to

just the day that the Lord blessed you, your husband, and your family

with this precious baby that he brought

into this world through you and tell us about his upbringing and so on.

Well, he was a really smart kid.

He was.

Involved in a lot of things growing up, like a

lot of kids are.

He played the piano.

He was a competitive swimmer.

He was active in the youth group.

He played piano with a craze band.

He was sort of a typical kid,

but he was also very...

He was very bright.

We didn't actually realize how bright until he was starting to struggle in

school.

The school wanted him on medication.

We took him to a psychologist who said that he was testing several years above grade level

and that he wasn't performing because he was bored.

And also, he was being bullied in

school.

We went in and complained on a regular basis, and the school didn't do a very

good job protecting him.

He was socially immature.

He was small for his age.

So he was seen as weak, I guess, by some of his peers, and they started early on

calling him...

They were calling him loser and freak and faggot and gay in school, and

those types of things helped to shape his homosexual identity.

And we eventually moved him to a private Christian school, and that's when he kind of

told us more about...

And at that point, I know Andrew said that

we were sending him to a Christian counselor.

We had actually taken him to a counselor that we were referred to by our

pediatrician.

She wasn't a Christian counselor.

Trying to address...

Actually, the first counselor we sent him to called it post -traumatic stress,

what he had experienced.

And it was heart -breaking.

I mean, no parent wants to see their child and know that their child has been

bullied and has emotional issues as a result of it.

So he was seeing this counselor, and eventually, when

he started going to this club outside of school, they convinced him to quit counseling, because now

they were counseling him.

And I asked very early on in his...

Probably a few months after he started going to counseling, I asked the counselor, is he going to think

he's gay now?

And she said, oh, no.

She said, he doesn't act gay.

She said, what was he interested in when he was growing up?

What kinds of things did he play?

And I said, well, he played superheroes.

He liked big trucks.

He has always been interested in computers.

And she said, oh, no, no.

He's not gay.

But see, even in the field of psychology, he's a psychologist.

Going through school now, they're trained that you're born gay or

not, which isn't true.

The actual research of

homosexuality or sexual identity issues is it can be

abuse of parenting.

It can be being the victim of excessive bullying or being rejected by same -gender peers

in school during the five years, which happened to my son.

It can be childhood sexual abuse or experimentation, exposure to pornography, and

other environmental factors.

And the interesting thing

is people who are writing this homosexual agenda,

they admit this.

But they also say that basically we have to deceive the public about this, because if they knew that that was the

case, they'd fall in line with this agenda.

So they have to keep alive the whole myth that, well, people are born that way, so we need

to encourage them.

And how young was your son when he was starting to get counseled by these

more liberal psychological sources?

Well, I mean, now it's starting in kindergarten, and we weren't aware of it until our son was in high school.

He went to a Christian school for a little while, and then we ended up sending him and

his sister to a public high school because we couldn't afford to keep

them at the Christian school and then pay for college and all that.

So they went to the local technical school, and we really felt that our son

needed that because he was going into the field of technology, and we felt that they could give him

more of an education in that.

But it was at the age of 16 when our son told the adjustment counselor

at his high school that he thought he might be gay.

And of course, there's activist counselors, guidance counselors, and teachers in the

school that are promoting this stuff and telling kids about it, and

basically suggesting to these impressionable kids that, you know,

if you feel not accepted or you feel different or whatever, you may be gay or you may be

bisexual or transgendered or whatever.

There's now over 50 identities or more

sexual identities.

You send your kid to school hoping that they're learning math and English and history, but what they're learning

are all the sexual identities that they could possibly be.

So it was at age 16, he went to the

advocate in the school, and she referred our son

to what's called the Cason Island Gay

-Straight Youth Alliance, CIGSIA for short, without our knowledge or consent.

She didn't know at that time that he was receiving counseling from this therapist that the pediatrician had

referred us to.

But at CIGSIA, he was told that he was born gay, that he could never change, that anyone who

didn't embrace his sexual identity was a hater and a homophobe, you know, including his family and the people in

our church.

And, you know, his whole life was closely tied to our family

and our church.

And people, you know, those encouraging him to abandon his family and faith, which is

basically what they were doing, they caused extensive confusion, pain, and stress on an

already, you know, emotionally fragile kid.

And it wasn't just a critical time in his social and emotional

development, because, you know, we all know that teenagers are not, you know, adults, and they need,

you know, guidance.

And it was also a time when he was learning how to drive.

He was preparing to graduate from high school.

He was dressing at college.

And so trying to help him through these coming -of -age responsibilities was exceptionally

challenging, as people were undermining our

authority.

So at CIGSIA, where the school sent him

to, he was provided with sexually provocative materials and anti -Christian

literature.

And when I asked the adjustment counselor, who was the LGBT liaison, you know, what

gave her the right to refer our 16 -year -old son to an organization outside of school without our knowledge or

consent, she said that she didn't refer him, but she merely gave him a business card.

When we talked to school administrators, they defended her actions.

They said that

through, you

know, judicial activism

had established some precedence.

But, you know, I did some of my own research and found that there are numerous Supreme Court cases spanning

decades that declare it unconstitutional to interfere with the fundamental rights of parents to

direct the education and upbringing of their children.

Now, to your knowledge, were these same -sex

attractions that your son was experiencing, were they prior to this counseling,

or was the counseling itself influencing him in cultivating this in your son?

Well, you know, I think a lot of kids, especially, like I said, if you grow up,

you know, and your peers are calling you faggot, gay and queer, or if you've been

exposed to pornography and, you know, one of the things that I think people

are doing is they're trying to expose kids to these things that will spark curiosities in them.

And then they start wondering, or experimentation.

I mean, you may have a friend

whose uncle is sexually abusing him, and he starts experimenting on your kid, or,

you know, things like that can happen that cause kids to be confused.

And so, you know, in school, you know, some of these kids growing up,

they wonder.

And the thing is, most kids who have confusion growing up, who

think, you know, am I or aren't I, they overcome it on their own without any kind of

intervention.

And, you know, I read one study that said as many as 20 to 25 of

kids growing up have questions that, like, wonder.

Even, like, teenage monkeys experiment with this kind of stuff.

But in adulthood, only, it's less than 2 of the population

actually identifies as LGBT.

And this has been a consistent number by the Center of Disease Control.

Now, you wouldn't know that based on watching television, and this is

actually another one of the lies that the agenda pushes out there, is that 10 of the population,

and

in

fact it's...

Now, was our first guest, Andrew Beckwith, was he getting the story right, or was he confusing

your son's case with another case when he said that there was some kind of a molestation that occurred from an older boy?

Well, I don't go into details about what happened to my kids.

It doesn't matter.

I mean, kids come to these conclusions based on a lot of things.

The issue is that there are people in the schools that are

selling this stuff to kids.

You know, that they have...

One of the things that they...

One of their goals...

If you want to know basically the framework for the agenda, there's a book called

After the Ball, and it was written in the 1980s by

Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, and they both basically outlined this agenda.

Now, one of them is a...was really successful, highly successful in the

marketing industry, and the other one was very...was a professional

in the field of neuropsychology, and basically they set out with this marketing

campaign and this psychological...

And over the past,

like the television, they've used the schools, they've used

legal...this agenda forward,

and we had no idea how pervasive it was in the schools until

we started...until our son was referred to this organization, you

know, started doing some research.

And one of the goals has

been to get a gay -straight alliance club in every school across the United States, every high

school.

And they're almost there.

I mean, they're pretty close to accomplishing that.

And the way they do this is they have...is through activists, teachers, and counselors who

are in the schools.

So this particular counselor, there was no gay -straight alliance club in this technical

school.

She refers kids like my son to this outside organization, and

then there, he gets trained on how to bring a club into his school.

He learns, you know, what to teach in this club.

He learns how to get administrators to accept this club, and he even...they even offer,

you know, legal backup.

There's legal organizations that...and so these kids, they go and they threaten administrators with

lawsuits if they don't let a club in the school.

And then once the club is in the school, then they draw all these kids to

teach all the stuff they want to teach.

And the other thing, they also take these kids to the statehouse, and they train

them how to be legal activists.

So they're basically recruiting an army right out of

the club.

Now they're moving into

middle schools, and they're eventually going to move into elementary schools.

Legally, I think, you can only...a club gets

introduced in the school by a student.

But, you know, the...clearly, I talked to an

assistant principal in Chelsea the other day, and she introduced me to a math teacher who

said...she said, oh, he started the gay -straight alliance club in the middle school.

Well, that's not allowed.

You know, the activist teachers aren't allowed to start clubs.

Only students are allowed to start clubs.

But this is how they're grabbing hold of our kids.

But the other thing, too, to mention is, you know, the whole

homosexual marriage, one of the main purposes of that

wasn't just so people could get married.

It was to have access to the school.

Because once you legalize homosexual marriage,

then the schools can teach it as, you know, another

kind of normal.

That was one of the main purposes of homosexual marriage.

Yeah, that seems like a very logical part of that agenda.

You know, it's interesting that liberalism, at one time,

pretty much straight across the board, used to universally condemn people who

stereotyped other individuals.

But now it seems that the liberals themselves, especially the pro -homosexual advocates, are

very much in favor of stereotyping a child because they want to

claim that child as one of their own, being homosexual.

There was a time when a liberal would say, how dare you say a young man is gay

just because he likes ballet or likes other things like dress

design or whatever the case is.

Or a young girl is a lesbian, how dare you call her a lesbian because she

plays with trucks or likes carpentry or sports.

Now, it seems like you're insinuating here that these

counselors are saying, yeah, that kid's gay because of these stereotypical traits that they would

want to identify somebody as a homosexual with.

Well, here's what they're doing.

I mean, it's not okay to just call a girl playing with trucks a lesbian because

she may be queer or she may be genderqueer or she may be gender nonconforming.

I mean, this is what they learned.

Every child gets to pick their own sexual identity.

They're taught that there are as many sexual identities as there are people in the world.

So if you call a girl who likes other girls

a lesbian and she's queer, she may be offended by that.

Why do you think I'm lesbian?

I'm genderqueer.

So these teachers in school, they have to be really careful about offending

kids in every which way.

I mean, these poor teachers who are really there and dedicated to educating our kids,

it's a really difficult environment for them to be in right now.

Because, you know, basically you have these people going into the schools and teaching these kids

how to be rebellious.

I mean, one of the activities,

there's a group called Gleason, Gay, Lesbian,

Straight, and this organization was created in,

I think it was 1995, to push homosexuality throughout the

schools, starting in kindergarten.

And one of their annual activities is the Day of Silence, where this year it's on April 15th,

where kids who are LGBT or they're allies or they're teachers

who are supporting them, because there are, you know, activist teachers within the school and counselors who are, you know,

also in there to push this agenda.

They don't talk of

how, all the time.

And basically it's a day of propaganda for the whole LGBT

community, sponsored by Gleason, but it's also a day of intimidation for

any, you

know, family organizations out there are saying that if your school has the

Day of Silence, and you can't even, like I

have in the Day of Silence, and they're like, well, we don't sponsor anything like that.

But in fact, they did have it, they just weren't sponsoring it, but they weren't punishing any parents or any

students or teachers who were involved in it, either handing out

materials or not talking or whatever.

So, these pro -family organizations are sponsoring a Day of

Silence lockout in protest against schools allowing

this to happen.

We're going to be going to a break right now, and when we come back, I'd like to hear more about your specific case when

the Department of Children and Families got involved in almost Gestapo -like

fashion, it seems.

But if you'd like to join us on the air, anybody listening with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson

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Don't go away, we're going to be right back with Diane X and more of her story right after these

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And if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron for the last half hour, we have had

Diane X as our second guest today here on Iron Sharpens Iron.

She is the mother of a boy identified by a school counselor as gay who was later

removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families, otherwise known

as DCF.

And we've been hearing about this horrific story from Diane X.

And if you could, Diane, let our listeners know exactly how

the Department of Children and Families stepped into this situation in your home.

Okay, so by the time my

son was in high school, earlier on he was

socially mature.

He was small for his age, all that.

By high school, he was of average height.

He was fond of his intellectual peers being in the technical program at the high school.

He was an advanced learner.

And then when he basically came out, and I hate that expression, but

when he came out in 11th grade, he almost flunked out that year.

He almost flunked 11th grade.

And he was also in and out of the hospital threatening to commit suicide.

Now, LGBT activists will say it's because his parents are haters and homophobes.

But we believe it's because these people who had

entered his life were telling him that the people who loved him the most and

the faith that he grew up in, it was all a lie.

We were all haters and homophobes.

What could be more awful for a kid to hear than that?

So his long -term therapist and his educational advocate and then another

therapist that we brought in around that time while working with us to help our son,

they wanted a comprehensive psychological evaluation to determine how suicidal he really was

and to address the irrational thoughts and behaviors that he was exhibiting around that time.

And because we were financially, we were struggling at that time because private school hadn't been in our

plan, and at that time there were a lot of medical bills pouring in.

So they suggested having the school, our son's issue

performance school.

And the head counselor agreed to it, and she arranged it.

She knew our educational advocate.

She knew our long -term counselor that the pediatrician had referred us to because they were

involved in our

504 plan.

They had attended his meeting, and then I gave her the business card of the other therapist.

A short time after that, we received the psychologist's report.

Now, normally when an evaluation like that is done, it involves input from the parents

and from the professionals requesting the evaluation.

But the school psychologist did this evaluation without any input from any of us, only

from our son and from the school

who had, you know, they had already exposed their biases.

And in this report, he accused us of socially isolating and emotionally abandoning our son,

among other things.

But when I showed this report to the two counselors, you know, the two therapists we had involved in the

educational advocate, they were horrified.

And one of the therapists knew this psychologist who had done the

evaluation and said to me, his worldview is all over that report.

We tried to have it removed, this report removed from our son's permanent school record, which was our legal right to do because it was

slanderous and untrue, and we were able to prove that that was the case.

The school would not remove it, and so we instructed them in writing to concern themselves only with educational

and college planning matters and to refer all of our son's, you know, personal or emotional issues to his

long -term therapist, the one that the pediatrician had referred.

Every morning, a guidance counselor illegally drove to our

neighborhood.

They picked up our son, and they drove him to school.

And we later learned that his emotions were the result of a romantic

breakup.

So the boy he had essentially come out for, the

professionals involved had warned us that when this happened, you know, when this relationship broke up,

it was going to be very devastating for him, and they feared what he might do.

Later on, I was brought in to go

and look for him.

I spent the whole entire, you know, rest of the school day in the office, essentially being interrogated by

the guidance counselor off the phone.

He was trying to handle his crisis at work and trying to talk to the

counselors, liaison.

He told us at the end of the day that we needed to allow him to go

cool off at a friend's house over the weekend and agree to family counseling through the Department of

Children and Families, you know, DCF, or they were going to put him in the system.

So I had a long argument with her.

I had concerns about the people that they wanted him to stay with over the weekend.

But after being, you know, she threatened me and she pressured me, and I finally agreed to her

terms only to prevent DCF from taking custody of our son.

So that was Friday afternoon.

On the following Monday morning, a DCF supervisor came to our house.

She called us unaccepting parents in front of our son, told us he wasn't staying there despite our

objections, and returned him to the home where he had been staying over the weekend.

She did it despite our concerns about the parents, who basically failed to provide boundaries

or rules or discipline for their own children, and this house

hadn't been vetted or anything.

So she said he's not staying here and told him to pack his things, and she took

him out and delivered him.

Two weeks later,

the social worker assigned to our case, she contacted the

team of professionals working with our son, and they said to send him

home.

There was no reason why he should be in DCF custody.

So she did her job.

She did an investigation and all that, and when she came to our home to

return him and to close our case, she told him that not only did we not abuse and

neglect him, which are the only legal reasons a child can be removed from his parents, but she found that we loved

him very much, and she told him that's not something I get to see a

lot of in my DCF, indicating that they were closing our case because we no

longer needed their services.

So I called her up, and I demanded a letter stating that we were innocent, and that's when she told me we were never

accused of anything, that it was her understanding that he was removed from our home at our request.

Subsequently, we obtained our records, and filed a complaint against the DCF supervisor.

They tried to withhold our records.

We actually had to get a lawyer involved in getting that.

At first, they released the partial records, but they purposely left out the part I was looking for,

which proved that we did not voluntarily get

interference by DCF, but that they

were family counseling, not to have our son taken away.

We were denied after filing a complaint.

They basically failed to follow their own policies and procedures.

They refused to conduct a thorough investigation.

They denied us a hearing, and they didn't do anything that they were

supposed to.

We have a listener in Mechanicsburg, Harrison, who wants to know at the initial

stage when your child was being removed from your home, did you call the police or any other

authority to even make sure that what was being done was legal?

Well, no.

I mean, basically, she came to our house that Monday morning.

I mean, that Monday afternoon.

I mean, no, we didn't know what our rights were.

She made me sign a voluntary request for services, and what she said to

me was, you agreed to family counseling through DCF, so you need to sign this.

At first, when we talked to her, she gave me a form, and she said, you need to

sign this.

I said, what is it?

And she said it's for him to get DCF services.

I said, I'm not signing this.

I said, we're not asking for this.

She tried to hand it to my husband, and he said, I'm not doing it.

She actually gave it to my son and said, you're old enough now.

You can sign it yourself.

She said, you're 17.

You can sign yourself in.

And my husband said to her, you need to tell him what he is signing and what this means to him,

you know, what you will do to him.

And when she explained, then he refused to sign it, but he asked to return to

this other family.

And so she said she was going to take him, and at first she tried to get another

place.

She called her office and tried to find another place for, you know, an angry 17 -year -old

teenager at the end of the day, and she was not able to find something.

So he said, well, I have somewhere I can go.

And so she took him there.

But she gave me this form, this voluntary request for services form, and she

said, you agreed to family counseling.

You need to sign this.

And so I'm trying to read it, and she's pressuring me and pressuring me.

And at that point, she was already telling me she was taking my son, and I was afraid of not cooperating because

she was taking my son, and I was afraid what my lack of cooperation

was looking for.

And so I wrote in counseling.

And so later on when I was talking to the social worker assigned to the case, she said, well, you know, you signed

voluntary.

And I said, I agreed to counseling.

That was the only thing I agreed to.

And I signed it under duress after she told me she was already taking my son.

But what people need to understand is that the LGBT

activists are in all of these organizations.

Every office of the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families across the state has an LGBT

liaison.

I saw, I went up to one of the youth pride parades up in Boston.

Kids who are in these gay, straight, and white clubs, they get in buses,

and they take them into Boston once a year for these youth pride parades.

And all of these, like, you know, angry, hurting, you know, rebellious

kids are just marching down the street, you know, dressed with things written all over

their bodies, and they're waving their fists and telling everybody watching, don't assume your kids

are straight.

And, I mean, these are kids who are, like I said, they've grown up with traumatic

situations, and they're alive.

And they're being used by these activists.

At one of the parades, my husband and I went, and DCF was

marching in the parade.

They had a booth set up.

They are convincing these kids that when

a family doesn't, you know, embrace their homosexuality, that they are abusive.

And I went up to their table afterwards, and I said, oh, so what do you do to help the LGBT community?

And they told me, well, you know, we actively seek,

you know, LGBT foster parents and adoptive parents.

And, of course, we know from Andrew's time on your show before, Andrew Beckwith's time on your show

before, that they're screening out Christian parents,

but they're actively seeking LGBT parents for these kids.

DCF is under investigation.

The Massachusetts legislature has collected a number of stories like mine of abuses

against families.

And, you know, when kids who are in DCF custody are found dead or missing or whatever,

DCF keeps saying, well, we don't have enough resources.

We don't have enough money.

And then the state just gives them more money.

And what do they use this money for?

Well, they use it

to go, are

screened out.

They're using money to act as women

who are getting paid for marching in these parades.

Their parents hate

them.

And the other thing that's not being told is, you know, a lot of people ask me, well, you know, why can't

you just accept that your son is gay?

You know, why can't you just embrace his homosexuality?

And I tell them because if you look up, if you Google the consequences of

homosexual behavior, the unstable and multiple

relationships throughout their lives, a 25 to 30 year decrease in life expectancy,

chronic and potential fetal liver disease, infectious hepatitis, risk of liver cancer,

HIV, AIDS, and other immune diseases and associated cancers, fatal

rectal cancer, multiple bowel and other infectious diseases, depression, anxiety, thoughts of

suicide, higher than average rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, and other mental health issues.

I think, you know, which one of those do you want your child to suffer from?

And

the thing is, there's a lot

of proof, too, that people who

have childhoods who overcome

those and now live healthy heterosexual lifestyles.

And, of course, Andrew addressed in the first hour that the LGBT

community is trying, they

don't want to keep them angry activists.

Now, are you aware of any exaggerations that your son may have told

these agencies and so on, his counselors, just because he was in a stage of

youthful rebellion and, you know, wanted to act out these

newly found attractions and so on?

Was he exaggerating any kind of abuse that he was claiming was going on in the home?

No, actually, no.

And that's the thing.

It's interesting, several months before this happened, when

he wanted permission to do things that we couldn't allow him to do because it was risky behavior,

he told me, he said, you know, not allowing me to do what I want

is abusive and, you know, DCF could take me away and they'll take my

sister, too.

And I said to my husband afterwards, I'm like, somebody is coaching him.

Somebody is filling his head with all this stuff.

But, no, he, you know, the social worker said that

we did not abuse or neglect him.

There was never any evidence of that.

He never accused us of any of that.

This was all their feelings that we had.

And I asked the woman, the DCF woman at the parade.

I said, well, let me, I said, what if, hypothetically, there was like a religious

family and their kid, you know, was gay or lesbian, you know,

what, you know, what would you do in a case like that?

And they said, oh, you know, we could remove, we would remove them from the home.

And I said, what if there's no evidence of abuse or neglect?

And they said, well, not accepting their homosexuality is emotional abuse.

So, there doesn't have to be any real abuse or neglect,

any evidence of that.

So, just not accepting your child's homosexuality is seen as abuse.

Well, you mentioned he has a sister.

Yes.

Obviously, there was a threat that, you know, we're going to go after her, too.

Was there any problem with that?

With her being taken away, you mean?

Or threatened or whatever.

Was there any threats to take her away also?

No, no, they didn't take her, no.

But I can tell you that she was deeply affected by everything.

Oh, I imagine.

In our family, yeah.

And it took her a while to heal from that.

And I think she probably still is.

What is the present situation now?

Where does this all stand?

Well, our son went off to college in another state,

joined right in.

They hooked him right up to the people down there to promote homosexual marriage in that state.

He almost bumped out of college.

My husband threatened to yank the money.

And then he went back and told it all together.

And he actually got the Advanced Achievement Award.

He did excellent, you know, finished out his college with excellent grades.

He has a good career.

But he still has he says that the stuff that happens to him when he was younger doesn't

affect him anymore.

But he'll also say that he has social anxiety issues.

He has a boyfriend.

And, you know, he's a nice young man who we like very much.

But we don't like, you know, we would like both of the boys to heal

from, you know, the things in their childhood that have led them, you

know, have caused their confusion.

But it's basically the people behind this agenda that led them down this road.

Now, they say that hindsight is 20 -20 vision.

What, if any, things would you do differently if this scenario

were to replay in the current day?

And what kind of advice would you give parents listening about how to prevent

something similar from happening if there is anything that you believe you could have done?

Well, you know, I think people need to educate themselves on how pervasive this really is.

There are two really good websites.

One is Mass Resistance.

If you Google Mass Resistance, a guy, Brian Kamaker, he's done a lot of

research.

He sends people into the schools and into these parades.

And he, I don't think anybody, except maybe Linda Harvey,

another one, Mission America.

If you Google Mass Resistance or Mission America, you can see how pervasive, you know,

this stuff is in the schools.

And you can also Google GLESEN, the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, G -L -S

-E -N.

And you can see right from their own materials what they are teaching your children in kindergarten

and up.

You know, I can't say that any child growing up in the public schools these

days is safe.

I mean, there's the schools, there are activists in all

the schools, and they're there to expose your children to this stuff.

I think that people need to do whatever they can to limit it.

But you need to know, you know, if you're the parent of a child in a school, you need to know what's going on

in your child's school.

You need to visit the classroom.

You need to look at the bookshelves.

You need to review what they bring home in their backpacks.

You need to understand that since God was removed from the schools,

what the kids are learning in school is an atheist, you know, secularist worldview.

Whether you're talking about evolution or global warming or revisionist history,

the children, you need to basically, if you're going to keep your kids in public schools,

supplement their education.

Give them the other side of the story.

Teach them creationism and teach them another version of

history where the founding fathers are actually nice people.

Teach them your worldview.

You need to shut off the TV and have kids, you know, I love Ben Carson's

story.

His mom made him read all the time.

So instead of, you know, watching TV and running around with the gang, he was educating himself.

Shut off the TV.

We understand that LGBT activists took over Hollywood a long time ago, and propaganda

is in just about every TV show.

There's also graphic surveys, and you can read about this on Mass Resistance TV.

There's actually a sample of what, when surveys are done in school, and these are surveys

done by the CDC, Center of

Disease, through his head.

You know, can your child read this book?

One of the things

that I think parents really need to do is

fight Common Core, because once Common Core gets implemented fully,

there'll be no stopping any of this stuff, but parents need to know that you can, if

parents get together, and I think church leaders need to start fighting this stuff,

when there is pushback from parents, it works.

And when there are groups of people fighting, Andrew Beckwith was saying how,

you know, the anti -therapy bill has already passed in a couple of states.

The bathroom bill stuff is already occurring in other states.

Massachusetts is ground zero for all of this stuff, and yet we've been able to put a hold on

those couple of bills, because organizations like Mass Family Institute and Mass Resistance

within our own state are fighting this stuff and getting people to go out to the statehouse and

fight this stuff, and we need to see bigger

pushback from the faith -based community.

But understand that the Department of Education is intertwined with

the LGBT community, the NEA, the National Education Association, the National Association of School

Superintendents, the Elementary and Secondary School Principals, school committees.

You know, in our own towns, we hire school committee members for votes in what school

committee members who will watch out for what our kids are learning.

Well, they go to school committee boot camps where they're told what their

responsibilities are going to be, and they basically

have the influence in these conferences, like shutting down what these school committee people

should be doing, misleading them about what their responsibilities are supposed to be.

Well, I want to give the websites of a couple of these organizations that we've been mentioning.

First of all, Mass Resistance, their website is massresistance .org.

I had the privilege of interviewing Sean Ryan from Mass Resistance not long ago.

That's massresistance .org.

And the Massachusetts Family Institute, whose president we interviewed for the first hour,

Andrew Beckwith, their website is mafamily

.org.

Diane, it's been a pleasure interviewing you, and I'm going to be praying for you and your son and your

family.

I'm sure many of our listeners will as well, and I just want our listeners to know, and I want them to always

remember for the rest of their lives, that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a

sinner.

We look forward to hearing from you and your questions the next time on Iron Sharpens Iron

Radio.

God bless.