April 6, 2016 Show with Andrew Beckwith on “The Utter Madness of the Leftist Homosexual Totalitarian Agenda”

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Andrew Beckwith on the Leftist Homosexual Totalitarian Agenda

We're going to be talking today about the utter madness of the leftist homosexual totalitarian agenda and our guests today to discuss this are first for the first hour Andrew Beckwith who is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Andrew has been on our broadcast once before. In our second hour we are going to be interviewing an anonymous woman who Andrew has worked with, Diane X we are calling her, and Diane is the mother of a boy who was identified by his school counselor as being gay and who was later removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families, otherwise known as DCF, and we're going to be talking about this horrific nightmarish scenario that sounds like the script from a really bad movie, but first of all welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Andrew Beckwith.

Thank you for having me, Chris. And for our listeners who are discovering you for the first time, who didn't hear you on our last program, why don't you tell our listeners.

Something about the Massachusetts Family Institute. Sure, Massachusetts Family Institute, yeah we just had.

Cary Kupec of Alliance Defending Freedom on the program just about a week or two ago. Wonderful. And I'm no stranger to them as they represented my dear friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries when he debated Barry Lynn, the president of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State organization, at least he was the president back then, and Dr. Lynn was defending homosexuality as being completely compatible with biblical Christianity, and Dr. White thoroughly but kindly, and like a gentleman, destroyed him in that debate.

When I say destroyed him, I had to preface it by saying he was kind and a gentleman because he was not mean-spirited or did not use mockery or anything like that. But Mr. Lynn, or Dr. Lynn, or Reverend Lynn, because he's an ordained United Church of Christ minister, showed up at this debate even though he knew it was on biblical data.

He didn't even have a Bible with him and had a yellow legal pad, and I just think he thought he was going to steamroller through that debate knowing that he was an ACLU attorney at one point and he just lost miserably and threatened to sue Alpha and Omega Ministries if they distributed the video of the debate.

But thankfully, Mr. Lynn and his attorneys and everyone at the organization he represents failed to make it to the hearing, so the judge saw in favor of Alpha and Omega Ministries and they were able to continue distributing the video.

That sort of proves the rule.

Yep. And I'd like to introduce you to my co-host who's been a co-host with me for the last several months, I believe, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello.

Good afternoon, Reverend.

Good to meet you.

And how long has it been?

Well, it's been two months, actually.

Two months? Okay, I guess it just seems like an eternity.

Yes, I'm sure about that.

And Reverend Buzz pointed out to me recently that I have to change our opening announcement because we went from one hour to two hours quite a long time ago and the announcement still says one hour. But anyway, why don't you keep us up to speed before we give a little bit of a precursor to our second hour with Diane X.

Why don't you give us some scenarios of things that the Massachusetts Family Institute has been battling there in your state recently?

Sure. Well, I'm just sort of... So the public policy and the... Find ways to live out... Partner eventually and have children, Lord willing, but despite having some... Or if it's actually a boy on the inside, because that's what the rule's telling her, this would be treatment, talk therapy, just to...

Yeah, this is real frightening stuff. This is not only frightening, but it's sick, it's twisted. When you think about government agencies intruding into the private lives of families and enforcing by legal mandate the celebration of this evil behavior that we who are Christians and also those who are Orthodox Jews and members of other religions that share our biblical morality, this behavior that we view as unnatural and damning and it's just absolutely breathtakingly disturbing that these things are happening.

I can't help but think of a very famous novel, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, and you may think this is weird to bring this up, but that was an adult who lived in this fantasy world about being all kinds of heroic figures and so on, and children live in fantasy worlds.

They don't really know what their goals are in life yet or what they're going to be. They're very often confused about a lot of things and live in a world of imagination a lot of times, and sometimes it's to an unhealthy degree obviously, but to think that children are mature enough and responsible enough and accountable enough to make decisions regarding their sexuality and their actual gender, I mean obviously we would say that they can never change their gender no matter what kind of medication or surgery may be performed on them, but to think that parents and physicians would be a party to this mutilation or even considering it, it's just utterly amazing.

You would think that some parents might think that their child is a puppy dog or a frog or a bird,.

Because children imitate those things all the time.

I said that as a joke and you're telling me about real types of practice.

You think you've heard it all.

I've heard about that where a woman was blinded voluntarily and a doctor actually participated in that.

And there is a certain dysphoria where people believe that their limbs are foreign objects and they won't be happy and won't have peace of mind until the limbs are removed. All kinds of obviously sick and twisted things here.

And yet it's sort of the talk there, a woman, hormone injections.

I've brought this up before with other guests who have raised this issue about the unisex bathrooms and there's something that's really puzzling to me that liberals would be universally in favor of that because where are these feminists that want to protect women from predatory males who are going to be either leering at them or maybe even trying to attack them in these restrooms?

I don't even understand that. Still has the same voice of the guy doing the Wheaties commercial that I remember. So ironically, women who have been fighting for all kinds of rights for 100 years or more, now they're losing the right of privacy.

Absolutely. No, it's a huge concern. It's very ironic. It's women's bar association.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

No, it's just a reflection of this is the current...

And ironically, racial minorities in this country, even those that are affiliated with theologically liberal churches, it seems that they are breaking the liberal mold and really protesting these things that I...

I mean, obviously, you have a number of African-American activists in the spotlight that may be in favor of these things, but it seems that in the inner cities, local pastors from the black and Hispanic communities, especially even if their denominational or church affiliation is liberal, they seem to be coming out in droves to protest all kinds of things that involve homosexuality being pushed upon the culture.

I hear you saying California and Massachusetts a lot.

Are they pretty much the worst states for this kind of stuff? I remember years ago, I lived in Maine, and it was quite popular for a lot of the gay agenda from Massachusetts to come up and try to influence our legislative system.

Now, tell us something about the laws that are currently on the books in Massachusetts and include some of the other more liberally governed states and then give us a broader picture on as much of the United States as you can tell us.

But, for instance, how young is a child legally able to get involved in, for lack of a better term, barring their language, gender reassignment, or whatever you want to call it, involving medication and surgery?

How young would a parent or parents be legally able to take a child into a hospital or a doctor's office and have these things?

I don't know.

At any age?

As far as I know, if you have...

Breaks, Sponsor Reads, and the Transition to Diane X

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This is Chris Zarnes, and if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron today, our guest for the first hour is Andrew Beckwith, and Andrew Beckwith has been our guest before here on Iron Sharpens Iron. We are discussing the frighteningly horrific and breathtakingly disturbing leftist totalitarian homosexual agenda that has gotten a lot of foothold tragically in this country.

And Andrew is speaking as the president of Massachusetts Family Institute today, and immediately following his interview, we're going to be joined by a woman who Andrew has worked with, we're calling her Diane X, in order to protect her family and especially her son who has been identified by a school counselor as gay and who was removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families, the DCF.

But if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. And I just want to, before I return to our discussion, I want to let you know that the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals and PNR Publishing, otherwise known as Presbyterian and Reform Publishing, want you to know about the pastors' retreat that is taking place May 9th through 11th, and that's going to be held at Harvey Cedars Bible Conference in Harvey Cedars, New Jersey and Dan Doriani and David Powelson, both of whom have been guests on Iron Sharpens Iron, are going to be speaking on the theme, The Faithful Shepherd.

And if you would like more information about attending this pastors' conference, the website is alliancenet .org. That's alliancenet .org. And then click on Events at the very top of the page and you'll be directed right to this Faithful Shepherd Conference, May 9th through 11th, 2016, at Harvey Cedars, New Jersey.

We also want to let you know that the Iron Sharpens Iron pastors' luncheon is being held April 28th at the Thornwald Mansion of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. And this is absolutely free of charge. David Wood of answeringmuslims .com is our keynote speaker, and we're going to have a special guest appearance by Pennsylvania State Representative Stephen Bloom, who will have a few words of greeting for our pastors in attendance.

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C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail dot com. We do have an anonymous listener who wants to know,.

Andrew,.

Was there a time in history before this insanity. Really.

Took.

Foothold in the United States where there were doctors and parents being criminally prosecuted for this kind of activity or the attempts to do so with their children in regard to gender reassignment?

Not that I'm aware of.

Well, I know that the earliest reference that I have ever heard of, of such a barbaric thing such as the gender reassignment of a young person comes from a book that a guest I had on recently, although I did not interview him on the subject of the Beast of Revelation, but that book, Dr. Kenneth Gentry, who identifies, in his view of eschatology, Nero as the Beast of Revelation, he says that he has pretty convincing historical documentation that Nero, when his wife died, found a young boy during one of his travels through a village that resembled his wife, and he actually had the young boy somehow, as much as they could do back then, physically altered to even more resemble a woman, and he married.

The young boy.

This is, of course, not somebody who is to be admired from history. Nero is one of the most satanic and grotesque and diabolical human beings that God ever allowed to be born of woman on this planet. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, do you see these insane laws protecting the homosexual agenda spreading rapidly outside of these liberal states you mentioned, Massachusetts and California?

How much at risk is Pennsylvania, for instance, he asks.

Well, you've got a good man in Pennsylvania, Mike Geer, intentional.

And so, obviously, these laws are being pushed by not only Democrats, then the Republican Party is guilty of its own cowards in office who are bowing to the leftist agenda.

Yes, I mean, and even if...

Now,.

Barring a miracle, or barring the fulfillment of post-millennial eschatology, post-millennial.

Hopes,.

Do you see realistically, I mean, we all who are Christians believe God can do anything that he chooses to do. With God, all things are possible, as Jesus Christ himself said. But when you look at just the data, and when you look at what's going on in this country and in this culture, do you see realistically the ability of those with biblical morals to recapture lost ground?

I mean, it almost seems like a dreamland that you're thinking of to view the United States as being free from legal abortions and things that you're talking about. Does any of this look realistic as far as the data is concerned, what you're seeing in this country?

Sure. Well, that may or may not happen. I mean, it has prophetic role, with the same values. We have Christopher from.

Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, who asks, I don't know if you are at liberty to say, but is there a presidential candidate that you can publicly support as being most aligned with the goals of your organization?

Sure. Good question. So we're a 501c3. We do issues, not candidates. That's kind of the short answer. We're going to.

Be addressing the case of a woman that you are very familiar with. We are calling her Diane X. Before we actually interviewed Diane, if you could tell us as much about that case in a preparatory fashion for that interview, especially since some of our listeners may have to leave us at the 5 o 'clock hour.

So if you could tell us something about that case with Diane X. Sure. It's been.

A while since I've talked to her about this, so if I get any of the details wrong, I apologize. Yeah, this is really.

Disturbing because it is obviously a blatant violation of the freedom of religion in this country. And what's to say that a government agency can't remove a child from their home who is being raised in an Orthodox Jewish family and he just doesn't want to be an Orthodox Jew anymore and he's a young child or a Christian or any other religion.

I mean, this is just really bizarre that people are looking upon this as not only acceptable but actually the right thing to do and it's really very obvious, it's painfully obvious that this is nothing to do with equal rights.

Homosexuality trumps religion. No pun intended with Trump or anything.

Absolutely.

But...

It's very ironic here, obviously, this is.

Really twisted, it's just the way that all these things are escalating at a quicker pace. I mean, people forget that Barack Obama, when he was running for president, was against same-sex marriage at least publicly.

And so were the Clintons before him and now for a person to say the very same things that the Clintons and Barack Obama used to say, that could involve that person losing their career, it could involve them being fined heavily for something.

I mean, it's just absolutely insane that the rapid pace which this totalitarian leftist homosexual agenda is really taking over. Now, people hear that kind of thing and they chuckle, they think this is conspiratorial kind of nuttiness but this is actually what's happening.

There's no.

Debate about it. These things are happening.

Right, I mean, you've got the Republican governor of Georgia who's refusing to sign religiously.

Diane X on Bullying, Counseling, and the School’s Role in Shaping Identity

This is just... I'm a little speechless, but if you could, I want to make sure that you say everything that you would like to have etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before you leave.

And if we have time to take another question or two from the listeners after that, we will, but I just want to make sure we don't run out of time without you saying what you most want our listeners to remember when they leave this program today.

The most important thing is.

From Cumberland County, Pennsylvania wants to know, are you aware of churches and pastors losing any freedom of speech and religion in your state of Massachusetts and elsewhere where they have actually been fined or prohibited from teaching the prohibitions of homosexuality that are clearly taught in the scriptures?

Sure, pastors per se.

Are...

Is this all theory that you're speaking of?

I mean, do... Across the border in every state in this country can Christian schools.

Only.

Offer their their. When they're looking for teachers and they're hiring individuals can they exclusively hire those who share their religious beliefs?

So it depends on the constitutional law so people can hire the minister. To the people have questions about that, I would go to AllianceDefendingFreedom .org.

Now is it just the homosexual agenda that has gotten a stronghold in this area that you're talking about? Well, for instance can somebody who is a Muslim sue a Christian church for not hiring him as a librarian or whatever the case may be?

They taught me in law school to answer the question of courts having some sexual desire issue orientation. Well I know that your website.

Is MAFamily .org M-A for Massachusetts Family .org and I really appreciate you being on the program and I eagerly look forward to you returning to the broadcast, Mr. Beckwith and God bless you and thank you for being a wealth of information today.

Likewise thank you for having me. And I want everybody to stay tuned because coming up we have Diane X she is the woman that we mentioned a couple of times who is a Christian and who had a son who was identified as a school counselor as gay and then later removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families otherwise known as DCF.

We're going to be hearing her story after these messages so don't go away, we're going to be right back.

The Transition to Diane X and the DCF Case

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Welcome back. This is Chris Orange and if you just tuned us in, we're on our way to our second hour. We're going to be featuring as our guest someone who is going to remain anonymous and we are calling her Diane X.

Diane X is the mother of a boy who was identified by his school counselor as being gay and who was later removed from his Christian home by the Department of Children and Families, otherwise known as DCF.

And we're going to hear more about this tragic story from our guest herself and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron, Diane X. Hi Chris. Hi, how are you?

And I'd like to introduce... Hi. I'm sorry? I said I'm fine. Oh okay. I'd like to introduce you to my co-host, Reverend Buzz Taylor. Good to meet you. Hi, thanks for having me. Well, first of all, let's go back as far as we can go in regard to just the day that the Lord blessed you, your husband, and your family with this precious baby that he brought into this world through you and tell us about his upbringing and so on.

Well, he was a really smart kid. He was.

Involved in a lot of things growing up, like a lot of kids are. He played the piano. He was a competitive swimmer. He was active in the youth group. He played piano with a craze band. He was sort of a typical kid, but he was also very...

He was very bright. We didn't actually realize how bright until he was starting to struggle in school. The school wanted him on medication. We took him to a psychologist who said that he was testing several years above grade level and that he wasn't performing because he was bored.

And also, he was being bullied in school. We went in and complained on a regular basis, and the school didn't do a very good job protecting him. He was socially immature. He was small for his age. So he was seen as weak, I guess, by some of his peers, and they started early on calling him...

They were calling him loser and freak and faggot and gay in school, and those types of things helped to shape his homosexual identity. And we eventually moved him to a private Christian school, and that's when he kind of told us more about...

And at that point, I know Andrew said that we were sending him to a Christian counselor. We had actually taken him to a counselor that we were referred to by our pediatrician. She wasn't a Christian counselor.

Trying to address... Actually, the first counselor we sent him to called it post-traumatic stress, what he had experienced. And it was heart-breaking. I mean, no parent wants to see their child and know that their child has been bullied and has emotional issues as a result of it.

So he was seeing this counselor, and eventually, when he started going to this club outside of school, they convinced him to quit counseling, because now they were counseling him. And I asked very early on in his...

Probably a few months after he started going to counseling, I asked the counselor, is he going to think he's gay now? And she said, oh, no. She said, he doesn't act gay. She said, what was he interested in when he was growing up?

What kinds of things did he play? And I said, well, he played superheroes. He liked big trucks. He has always been interested in computers. And she said, oh, no, no. He's not gay. But see, even in the field of psychology, he's a psychologist.

Going through school now, they're trained that you're born gay or not, which isn't true. The actual research of homosexuality or sexual identity issues is it can be abuse of parenting. It can be being the victim of excessive bullying or being rejected by same-gender peers in school during the five years, which happened to my son.

It can be childhood sexual abuse or experimentation, exposure to pornography, and other environmental factors. And the interesting thing is people who are writing this homosexual agenda, they admit this.

But they also say that basically we have to deceive the public about this, because if they knew that that was the case, they'd fall in line with this agenda. So they have to keep alive the whole myth that, well, people are born that way, so we need to encourage them.

And how young was your son when he was starting to get counseled by these more liberal psychological sources?

Well, I mean, now it's starting in kindergarten, and we weren't aware of it until our son was in high school. He went to a Christian school for a little while, and then we ended up sending him and his sister to a public high school because we couldn't afford to keep them at the Christian school and then pay for college and all that.

So they went to the local technical school, and we really felt that our son needed that because he was going into the field of technology, and we felt that they could give him more of an education in that.

But it was at the age of 16 when our son told the adjustment counselor at his high school that he thought he might be gay. And of course, there's activist counselors, guidance counselors, and teachers in the school that are promoting this stuff and telling kids about it, and basically suggesting to these impressionable kids that, you know, if you feel not accepted or you feel different or whatever, you may be gay or you may be bisexual or transgendered or whatever.

There's now over 50 identities or more sexual identities. You send your kid to school hoping that they're learning math and English and history, but what they're learning are all the sexual identities that they could possibly be.

So it was at age 16, he went to the advocate in the school, and she referred our son to what's called the Cason Island Gay-Straight Youth Alliance, CIGSIA for short, without our knowledge or consent.

She didn't know at that time that he was receiving counseling from this therapist that the pediatrician had referred us to. But at CIGSIA, he was told that he was born gay, that he could never change, that anyone who didn't embrace his sexual identity was a hater and a homophobe, you know, including his family and the people in our church.

And, you know, his whole life was closely tied to our family and our church. And people, you know, those encouraging him to abandon his family and faith, which is basically what they were doing, they caused extensive confusion, pain, and stress on an already, you know, emotionally fragile kid.

And it wasn't just a critical time in his social and emotional development, because, you know, we all know that teenagers are not, you know, adults, and they need, you know, guidance. And it was also a time when he was learning how to drive.

He was preparing to graduate from high school. He was dressing at college. And so trying to help him through these coming-of-age responsibilities was exceptionally challenging, as people were undermining our authority.

So at CIGSIA, where the school sent him to, he was provided with sexually provocative materials and anti-Christian literature. And when I asked the adjustment counselor, who was the LGBT liaison, you know, what gave her the right to refer our 16-year-old son to an organization outside of school without our knowledge or consent, she said that she didn't refer him, but she merely gave him a business card.

When we talked to school administrators, they defended her actions. They said that through, you know, judicial activism had established some precedence. But, you know, I did some of my own research and found that there are numerous Supreme Court cases spanning decades that declare it unconstitutional to interfere with the fundamental rights of parents to direct the education and upbringing of their children.

Now, to your knowledge, were these same-sex attractions that your son was experiencing, were they prior to this counseling, or was the counseling itself influencing him in cultivating this in your son?

Well, you know, I think a lot of kids, especially, like I said, if you grow up, you know, and your peers are calling you faggot, gay and queer, or if you've been exposed to pornography and, you know, one of the things that I think people are doing is they're trying to expose kids to these things that will spark curiosities in them.

And then they start wondering, or experimentation. I mean, you may have a friend whose uncle is sexually abusing him, and he starts experimenting on your kid, or, you know, things like that can happen that cause kids to be confused.

And so, you know, in school, you know, some of these kids growing up, they wonder. And the thing is, most kids who have confusion growing up, who think, you know, am I or aren't I, they overcome it on their own without any kind of intervention.