Hermenuetics and Homiletics

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line

The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence

Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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United States. It's 1 877 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 And now with today's topic here is

James white And good afternoon and welcome to the dividing line on a beautiful Saturday afternoon last the last

Saturday in the year 2002 it went by at an incredible speed six debates last year and It looks like we're on track for at least that many next year actually already looking at six scheduled debates in various places of planning

At the moment for next year and that's more than we normally have the beginning of year many debates sort of develop over the time over the course of the year, so Don't know if we can if we can do many more than one every other month

And a bunch of these are our two to debate series on two different nights

That's always a good way to lose some weight and age actually when

I'm doing that kind of thing It's good to have you with us on this Saturday afternoon. We are live some of the folks

Some of the folks in the chat channel will come in an hour from now and go what I thought it was two o 'clock and even though the time changed

Well over about two months ago, they still haven't figured things out yet, and It's amazing you have to list okay 2 p .m..

Mountain time is 1 p .m.. Pacific That's 4 p .m.. Eastern, and we'll let the people in the middle of the country figure out where between 2 and 4 they fall

It's just just just unbelievable anyways before we get to our topic today, which according to the

According to the topic line in the channel is a study in hermeneutics and homiletics

That's we're gonna be looking at the very very unusual dividing line today. No two ways about it never done anything like this before But before we get to that people have requested a little bit of updates on a couple things

No new developments this week didn't expect there to be any This particular week on the book with with Dave hunt

Exactly, what's going to happen with that as far as? Where we are how certain things going to be handled whether there's going to be any?

Editing as to keeping things on topic. It's all up in the air at the moment. We will see what happens with that and Nothing no no new developments on that front as I said didn't expect any this week

I mean gracious what what does happen this this week at all really is one thing you might want to ask and let's see as far as traveling heading to Connecticut these who you look at the thing here before the 16th of January and Coming back home on the 27th, so be gone about 11 days

Connecticut Long Island For those of you on Long Island. I know about the only thing.

I'm absolutely certain of is on the 22nd I'll be at the Massapequa Church of God Where I get to buy

The poor folks there have to hear me almost every six months. I mean I really feel for them

Love the pastor there love the folks there. They love to have me and Folks who really enjoy listening to to what

I have to say for some strange reason. I really enjoy Preaching there past Jim Capo wonderful guy drove me all the way to New Jersey once poor guy

Anyways, I I'm almost 100 % certain that I'll be there Wednesday night the 22nd and I know that Sunday night the 26th of January I will be preaching at the

Hope Reform Baptist Church, though. I will not look very good and what I mean by Well people's oh really there's a prediction that prophecy has just been just been made didn't you watch

Dateline last night? Don't you know what happens to people who make prophecies like Benny him they make a hundred million dollars a year No, I know that I never really look good, but what

I meant by that was We do the youth retreat the poor youth there at Hope Reform Baptist Church have been stuck with me for this

I think I think this will be the fourth year Fourth year does that make sense? I think I think four years

They've they've been stuck with me now and so We come back during the day

We have services Sunday morning who drive back in the afternoon we get back eat pizza and have the evening service on the 26th and so Generally, you don't get all dressed up We look like people who've just spent a weekend over in Tuscarora, Pennsylvania at the retreat center there

And and so it's just not as formal as normal but anyways And then the 31st and the 1st

I'm gonna be up in Omaha, Nebraska At Pat Abendroth Church up there in Omaha, Nebraska.

It'll probably be a little on the nippy side But I'm gonna be doing a men's

Breakfast, it's me a Friday night thing the Saturday morning thing and then boom straight back again I won't be able to the dividing line that day.

I think I'll be landing right around this time Well, probably actually a little bit after this. But anyways That that weekend so that's the main stuff coming up right away anyways, and then we've got stuff back in Midwest and you know all sorts of neat fun stuff like that and then the general conference the 4th and 5th of April and I think

Easter is late in April this year So we don't know what's gonna happen with the King James only folks showing up with their signs and all the rest of stuff

So that's a report on what is going on there. Now what I invite you to do today Is first of all, you may once in a while it may get a little quiet for a second

So hold on a second folks, and I'll I'll go do something. You've just got to understand The the geek level that is being experienced in my office today

Most of you know that I have a really nice personal digital assistant a palm tungsten tea and Some of you if you've read my bio know that I really enjoy chess

Well, I just recently got around the holiday season Fritz 8 and that's those of you who aren't into chess

Don't know what Fritz 8 is but Fritz 8 is the computer program that tied with the world champion kramnik in Bahrain Two months ago a 4 -4 tie

So it's an excellent computer chess program and I also have a program called chess tiger on my

PDA And so what I'm doing over here beside me is this games been going on since last night I've sort of put on pause over the nighttime hours

But Fritz 8 is in the middle of a of a very intensive attack at the moment that may end this game very quickly

I'm not sure and I've got the palm sitting here in its in its cradle and it's got chess tiger and then the

Fritz 8 is over on on the laptop on a 1 gig Laptop and they're playing each other and each time one of moves

I have to make the move so that the other one knows what's going on see So anyways if it gets quiet It's quiet.

And if you'd like I can let you know who wins though. I'm not sure that it's necessarily gonna be done

By that time right now as I said chess tiger is thinking and it's in check at the moment. So that's it's

It's you know, it's one of those tough situations anyways Does dr. Doe have deep blue?

No, I did not have deep blue Fritz 8 is a better program than deep blue but anyways, what we're doing today is I'm going to invite you to Take your

Bible and if if you have a obviously most stuff that I was about to say if you have a computer

Well, if you're listening to this, that's probably a foregone conclusion actually now that we think about that if you have a

Is the dividing line on? Not sure what time it is here to divide line on I'm sorry mark

I didn't mean to do that, but mark should mark especially marquee should know

That the dividing line is on right now. I mean, come on, it's it's anyways

Take your take your computer. Take your Bible and if you have a Bible program

Fire it up because what I'm gonna do today is I have the privilege of preaching tomorrow and I'm working on my sermon and A lot of people will come into channel and they say well, how do you you know?

how do you study this and how do you say that and and and what what tools do you use and how do you put things together and and All sorts of things like that.

And so what I thought I would do it doesn't make exactly the most scintillating broadcast methodology, but for someone who's interested in in how you would

Approach a passage and the thought processes that go into How to present the material in a passage maybe just maybe

This would give you some insight at the very least. It's gonna convince a number of you that that I'm That I'm weird because I don't follow a really normal methodology and how

I put together a sermon and I I do it a little bit differently.

In fact, maybe I say hey, it's Saturday and you're still working on this Worked on it for a couple days. I mean, this is obviously a strange week.

It was Christmas week and said obviously Interrupts your normal schedule, but I know some folks.

I know some folks are listening right now who get to work on their sermons on Monday Maybe even

Sunday night in fact And I I simply couldn't do that unless there was unless something was gonna happen to where The only time

I was gonna have to work on something was on Sunday and Monday and Then I was just not gonna be able to do anything for the next.

I don't know Five days. Okay, then I could do that. But otherwise if I finished my notes up on a

Monday At least the way I think and the way I function those notes would be stale

I guess would be the word Come Sunday morning now. You might say well you could review them.

Yeah, but Again and this is why no two people can use the exact same methodology

No, two people can can absolutely positively say well, you know, okay, if you just do it this way then

You know, you'll be a great preacher or you know Spurgeon did it this way? Therefore this must be the way to excuse me.

I need to make a move here Oh Boy that thing is fast that is that is such a fast processor.

It's just incredible. Anyways Okay. Now it's back to the palm and the palm just doesn't move as fast as the laptop does

Anyways, you can't you can't just copy somebody else's methodology. It just doesn't work preaching is a personal thing and Yeah, I know you can learn lots from observing someone else you can learn

Good things you can also learn to avoid bad things and I think you should learn from observing others, but At the same time have you

I bet you most of you have seen somebody and you could tell Exactly who they had studied under because you could tell they were basically trying to in essence copy that one particular person and Yeah Yeah, the description of this one is gonna be it's gonna be sort of interesting, isn't it?

Everybody's, you know, if I don't announce who won by the end of the the end of the program people are gonna be really upset with me, but anyways

You can tell that they're sort of modeling themselves after somebody else and and it seems I don't know to me at times it can seem contrived and That's that that's something

I want to try to avoid. Anyways, so I try to work on things a little bit closer So that I'm still fresh

I mean as I'm looking at materials as I'm translating as I'm parsing and syntaxing and and Looking up other references the excitement because I get excited doing that.

I get excited studying the scriptures the excitement of that needs to be fairly recent

It's it's difficult for me to for example You know, there's a there's a vast difference

Between preaching regularly in a church and traveling around and having a set number of Sermons that you deliver.

I mean there are certain sermons that honestly I could deliver you could you could wake me up and kick me out of bed and give me five minutes to to get a drink of water and Throw on some clothes and I could preach certain sermons without any preparation at all without it without a single note

John 6 Romans 8 Romans 4 4 through through 9.

There are certain passages I could just Really do a decent job on because I know those passages so well

That's one thing to be able to go from place to place and have a set number of sermons but man when you are in the same pulpit and you have to Feed the same flock with regularity boy.

That is where the rubber meets the road. That's where you really have to do the work of Of Exegesis and the work of study and and there's a there's a lot more to it

So for me anyways there needs to be some passion involved and that passion comes from the study that passion comes from Spending time in the word and being in the word and if I did that back on Monday Tuesday or Wednesday And a bunch of stuff's gotten in the way since then it's hard to recapture it and I I don't use some people use extremely specific notes.

I understand that I I If you saw my notes once in a while,

I know what was it about? I think it was like December 11th as I recall. I did a

Wednesday evening devotional for for prayer meeting and Please brush your teeth too.

Well, okay. Thank you very much. That was sort of in my mind You know

Anyways, I did a Wednesday evening service and afterwards I gave my notes. I think he gave him to Warren and they basically were just the the

Hebrew text with some Like three or four points and and the points were not paragraphs or something

It was just just a little outline that's all was and that's generally what I use Some people will you know, write everything out and have everything, you know, very very specific.

And again, that's a personal thing I want to be a little freer having a

Outline and for me, it's generally an original language outline either in Greek Greek or Hebrew Having those words there those words trigger things again

If my study has been fairly recent if it's gone back too far, it doesn't trigger quite as much

You know, that's it's that 40 year old brain just doesn't kick it out quite as quite as quickly as as it's you know has in the past and So anyways

Each person needs to these approaches their way and when you do your outline, you know If you were taught to to do a certain kind of outline if you were taught to use bulleted points

You know, however, you do it. That's fine. I don't Generally, my notes are gonna be much more of a point by point by point well,

I can tell you what my notes look like right now, in fact, I can I can bring the file up here and Generally Basically what

I have is I have an opening an opening example to sort of introduce the topic

I'm going to be addressing then that's only two. Let's see one two The first is three sentence two sentences the second two sentences each so total of four sentences then right below that I have

My passage which if you're interested is Jude verses 24 through 25, which for some strange reason for most

For most Bible programs you have to put in Jude chapter 1 as if there was a chapter 2 someplace

But it just gets all confused if you try to tell it Jude 24 to 25 because it's looking for chapters But anyways, I have

Jude verses 24 through 25 In Greek and then below that I have the

New American Standard rendering of that sometimes I'll put that there sometimes I won't it all depends if You know just just how

I'm putting my things do then below that I have some some parallel passages that I want to to point out specifically

Romans 16 25 through 27 and Ephesians chapter 3 verses 20 to 21 and again, depending on the week

I will either put The the

Greek text for those if those are passages that I know real well Or I'll just put the English.

I have the English there right now Mainly because if it's not the primary passage I'm looking at I don't want

The trans to the work of doing the translation if there's any terms in there That's a hotbox legomena

That is a place where the only that words only used one time New Testament to trip me up if it's not relevant to what?

I'm doing I don't want to necessarily, you know invest the time in that so I've Typed out or inserted obviously from my

Bible program Romans 16 25 to 27 and Ephesians 3 20 to 21 Then what

I've done below that and and here's where you really need to make a decision and And and that is

What did he do? What did he do oh look at that I mean

Oh, no, no, no, no, oh, oh, yeah You know these little touch touch thing.

Oh Bobby Wobbers. Oh man I Have to pause that I moved it to the wrong square now, it won't let me take it back

Anyways, I Know a lot of folks and I'm not gonna be able to tell you I'm not gonna tell you what happened because I well

What's take back? Anyone know what take back is? I've been in see Insert game new game move now.

No resign You know that what's really weird is this this program will mock you if you if you tell it to It will it will allow you to actually

Set it up and it will with voice not just with not just with with with anything else.

It will actually Replay and I don't want to replay and a view.

Oh Man, what a bummer Oh cancel move edit Edit Cancel move.

There we go. All right now stay there. Boom Okay. Now we got it going again. I'm sorry, please forgive me anyways

Now my son's trying to get hold of me and I'm in the middle of doing something someone might want to inform him that I'm Ted it busy anyways

Here's the point people have been taught. I was taught this you need to have three points in a poem three points in a poem

Three points in a poem. Well, I You know, I I came up with three points in a poem when

I was in the homiletics class and I I Didn't like it

There are a couple passages in Scripture possibly that You could force into three points or something like that maybe

But be honest with you I feel that sort of Strictures things it structures you into something.

That's that's artificial. I mean as I look at Jude 24 and 25 I Don't see three points now.

I could artificially come up with one. I imagine and there's folks who are Considerably more talented than I am that probably could divide this up into three points and that works fine

I just can't do it. I Just it's just not the way I teach. I like to teach directly from the text and as such

Basically, what I do is I want to bring the person in the pew along with me.

I want to bring them along so that They can

Can follow the meaning of the text and they can I want the person to walk out going?

You know, I had never really heard that That text in that context before last summer was last summer.

That was a summer for last Yeah summer for last I went through Hebrews What happens during the summer is normally

Don Frye who does the preaching our church goes on vacation for only two weeks He's only gone actually one

Lord's Day, but I get to do a series of of sermons And I went through Hebrews 6 7 8 9 and 10 in an outline form

It was an unusual way of doing things But basically what I wanted to do is as I wanted to let people know What is this book all about it seems to be the most mysterious book in the

Holy Testament for most folks Let's look at it in context and let's let's understand what the message was

And people really appreciated that and what I want to do with Jude 24 and 25 is is basically do the same thing but obviously

We need to I need to do so at a deeper level than doing entire chapters when we were doing

Hebrews And so I need to get down to the level of the text now Not everyone sitting in front of me reads

Greek or Hebrew a number of them. However, do read one or the other It is a strange at our church how many

Greek texts pop open when you're in a New Testament passage I can think of one two three four

Five At least five maybe more in our small little fellowship where people pop open that that Greek text when?

when we're in the New Testament, and so I I do make reference to the original languages and I will

Explain grammatical things when they're relevant, but I won't if they'll simply get in the way and Where do you draw that line?

Well, it depends on the individual depends on the passage I mean if I'm preaching on a passage and I part of my purpose in doing so is to prepare the people in the audience to deal with a particular apologetic issue if I want to if I'm dealing with John 1 1 and I want them to be able to talk to the individuals who come to their door

Well, I have to go to a certain level to be able to do that In the same way if I'm talking the congregation about The nature of worship and the specific form of the word

Isn't relevant to that then then you're only getting that in the way if you try to bring it out

You tend to lose folks that don't want to listen that type of thing at that particular point in time. So You have to make a decision as to where you're gonna go with that And how much detail you're going to be you're going to be including and so I'm probably not going to be pronouncing many of These these terms but what

I've done going back to my notes after I note those parallel passages is Then I have taken the text and I've broken it into phrases in the original language and so the first I guess you might call it sub point or something along those lines is

The first three words of the text today doing a meno and I will probably

Mention something about that because of the term dunamis Dunami and I'm gonna expand a good deal upon that because to be honest with you.

That is what? Drew me to this passage. In fact, what drew me this passage was

I Well, I'm not exactly sure what caused me to be looking at it, but I was looking at this phrase to him who is able and obviously as I'm working on the the

Dave Hunt book and and constantly dealing with folks who attempt to Insert Man into the work of salvation so as to rob

God of his glory. That's the result not necessarily their intention But that's there and that's the result this phrase of ability ability on the part of God and inability on the part of man is a constant part of what

I'm studying and I was looking at this passage in fact What I ended up doing is I ended up challenging some friends of mine to memorize it in a

Greek with me in the course Of only two days Only one managed to do that and I suppose given how often we mock him and how often we threaten the entire

Channel with him singing Elvis. I should I should admit that With Sunday night.

I challenged he and someone who remained nameless because they completely blew us off challenged these gentlemen to memorize

Jude 24 and 25 not in English, but in Greek and it was only two of us did it myself and Warren yes, indeed.

There's the Warren just opened the door to make sure that I I pronounce his name, right? We we memorized it in Greek and Which you know was not overly difficult to do because it's not it's not a difficult passage grammatically

It is it's a beautiful passage as well worth doing it, but anyways That's what drew my attention to it.

And then the the more I thought about it the contrast between God's ability and man's inability and how

Evangelicalism seems so absolutely bent I mean remember last couple weeks well, I wasn't last week, but the week before that and week before that when we were playing

Dave Hunt stuff and Dave's arguing with Paul About no one does good and no one is able

Well, they must have the job must have been good to know I must he's arguing with Paul this this constant desire to insert into the

Into the work of salvation the the work of man Just it's just all the time and it and it becomes maddening and it really really does and Yet the biblical teaching has to do

With God's ability and man's inability and that should be glorious to us

It should be glorious for us to confess the ability of God Over against the inability of man, but we we instead choose to limit

God. That's what open theism is all about is To limit God so as to exalt man that that is man's religion.

It's what man's religion is all about And that's what that's what attracted me to it. Well, I'm going to obviously expand upon the phrase today do no meno and I'm going to spend some time on and I don't have to put a bunch of notes beneath that Greek phrase mainly because That's fresh in my mind.

I'm thinking about that all the time right now In fact, the only thing I'm gonna need to do is watch the clock

Because just seeing those three Greek words is going to bring so much stuff to mind

That the main thing I'm gonna have to do is make sure I don't take all my time in that particular context so as to So as to have no time left for the rest of what

I want to say That's gonna be the main thing that I'm gonna be looking at Well, anyways, let's take our first break and then we come back talk a little more about how

I'm trying to fit this into the time Frame that I have right after this It's all

You know Can I manufacture grace

Some religious place by weeping hard on your face Some dead saints, you know

Doing the bass part there for Steve camp who I finally got his new album this week some great stuff on there a

Real tough song to listen to head of a broken home. That's a that's a that's

Hmm. Well, maybe we'll fire that up toward the end the program today. Anyways Great stuff one song that's that I heard him sing.

I don't know last year when we were together in Nashville That's maybe we'll close the program with or something like that.

But anyhow now we're talking a little bit about hermeneutics homiletics Just giving you a little bit of an insight.

Don't know if it's worth it to anybody but a little bit of an insight into The thought process at least that I go through in Approaching a passage of scripture specifically

Jude verses 24 to 25 the doxology at the end of Jude Is my text for tomorrow now,

I'm preaching both services Sunday morning and Sunday evening. We have a Sunday morning and Sunday evening service I know that that does demonstrate that we are dinosaurs because we actually ask people to come back twice on the

Lord's Day but At our church the proclamation the word is the central aspect of the worship service and so we have a good 45 to 50 minutes in which

I will be preaching in the morning and About 40 to 45 minutes in the evening and What I frequently do and I I know this isn't normal this is this is not what what for example pastor

Frye does Generally our tradition and it is a tradition It doesn't it's not written in stone someplace.

But generally our tradition is To have a Sunday morning sermon from the

New Testament and the Sunday evening sermon from the Old Testament We do our New Testament reading in the morning our

Old Testament reading at night part of our worship service is reading through the scriptures Chapter by chapter sometimes breaking that up if the chapter is excessively long, but that's generally how we do it and Normally not always right now it's not but normally the it is a book study we've been going through some of the pastoral's first and second

Timothy in the morning and Getting ready to move back into book studies for both morning and evenings now generally what

I do Is I let you know, I don't always do it this way

But what I will do tomorrow is I will break this passage up and I will preach in the morning on it

And I will continue that in the evening now Some might object to that because I don't have

Totally the same audience in both services and that's true. I don't

It's mainly the same group But there are people who are both providentially hindered and not so providentially hindered

In being at one or the other of the services but at the same time

It allows me to go to a little bit more depth Than I might otherwise and and if a person is truly providentially hindered from either

Either service they can of course, you know, we record these things. We put them on the Internet. There's there's various and sundry ways of You know hearing the other the other part that you missed but I like to to do it that way so that the people who are there

Sunday morning come back on Sunday evening and the the the thought is continued it can sort of make a

Whole day focused upon the same thing and maybe it'll stick a little bit more, you know Maybe because it's it's sort of repeated or the context is looked at a second time

That will make it to more memorable people will remember what you you preached on You know later on that said that might be one way of looking at it.

So I Intend to present this text

Within the context of two sermons Sunday morning and Sunday evening now if you'll look at the text with me for just a moment if you've got your

Bible or if you've got your text on on the screen look at Jude 24 through 25 with me for just a moment and As we're reading it ask yourself, how would you divide this up?

Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of his glory blameless with great joy

To the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord be glory majesty Dominion and authority before all time and now and forever

Amen Now you would think just looking at it.

Well You divide it up you do them in the morning service to do verse 24 and even service to do 25 and that That would work.

I could certainly see how that could be done. I'm not doing it that way I will do the first phrase now to him who is able and Verse 25 in the morning and the rest of verse 24 in the evening and you might say

Why in the world you're going to do that Because those of you who might look at it in the original language

Probably see why? If you look at in the original language the first phrase to him who is able

The article toe that begins verse 24 goes not only with Duna Menno But it also goes with mono

Theo the beginning of verse 25 The only God our Savior To the only

God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord be glories and so on and so forth. You could take all the verse 24 out starting with day and The grammar would would remain the same the doxology is to the only

God our Savior Through Jesus Christ our Lord be glory majesty dominion authority before all time now and forever

The Description of the why the description of what he's able to do that then gives the basis for the ascription of praise is what takes up verse 24 and So what

I've chosen to do and I could have done it differently. But what I've chosen to do is to Go first with the doxology with the ascription of praise to The only

God our Savior to him who is able To the only God our Savior now, I'm going to have to introduce the the fact that yes

This description is going to talk about God's ability. Why are we praising him?

He is able to keep you from stumbling. He is able to make you stand And so I will introduce that and then I will reintroduce that in the evening and that will form the connection that will form the the

Bond in essence that will hold the two sermons together But the emphasis in the morning will be upon the doxology to the only

God our Savior. There's that phrase Monotheo Monotheism there is there is monotheism in the direct text of the

New Testament there is the foundation of monotheism to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our

Lord and If you just look at the text you can sort of what I try to do is I as I look at the text and before I really start studying things

I Want to start getting some ideas of where where the text is going And so if I just sort of sit back and I look at Jude 24 to 25

Here's the things that just go through my mind as I'm initially looking at it Okay to God God's ability

To keep you from stumbling need to look at what stumbling means need to look at the word keep phalloxide

And I'm gonna look at what I'm gonna do then is I'm gonna look at each one of these words I'm going to use

Bible works to look at all the other places where that specific form is used or that specific root is used

Both in the New Testament, then if that shows me some interesting range of meaning I'll expand that to the septuagint

Which I've already done with phalloxide to guard to keep But what is why is it keep you from stumbling rather than guarding you from stumbling something along those lines

Okay What does stumbling mean stumbling in reference to what stumbling in reference to losing of one's salvation stumbling in reference to?

Being deceived by false teachers stumbling in reference to personal sin Those are all the questions that immediately come to my mind as I look at this keep him stumbling and to make you stand the

Presence of his glory blameless with great joy make you stand what is make? Stand in the presence of his glory.

Is that an eschatological thing? Is this is this the same thing that we talked about when we talk? about Christ presenting the church in all of her glory.

Is there a connection there? What does it mean to make? To make you stand in the presence of his glory.

What is Involved in standing in the presence of the glory of God. I Mean we hear people use that term all the time.

But what does it mean? That immediately comes to mind his glory

Presence of his glory in the presence of glory I'm gonna be looking at every single one of those phrases and to see how else they're used

Are any of these used in the sort of a stereo typical way? Are any of these used in a in a particular fashion?

That might make them almost an element of a creedal statement And in fact, that's what I've discovered is the case for a number of these things here

All right, then after that What does it mean with great joy blameless with great joy are those two used together?

Is this in regards to judgment because of the term blamelessness? And hence to make you stand the presence of his glory blameless doesn't that have

Soteriological issues is this in regards to redemption forgiveness? And remember this is all something

God is able to do so if he can make you stand blameless with great joy, then this obviously has ramifications in regards to work salvation

Synergism, I mean is God able to make you stand or is God only able to give

System in which you can make yourself stand. I mean those are two different things Do I want to bring those things out?

There's another thing you always have to be considering. So many of these passages are so rich that you literally can go too many directions with them and never actually communicate the fundamental thrust of the passage and So you have to ask yourself a question

Given my audience given my time frame. What do I do when I travel? That's one of the toughest things in traveling is

I rarely know Before I get someplace what kind of time

I'm gonna have and I have many times come to a place with a 45 -minute sermon and found out

I had 30 minutes to deliver it in and Editing on the fly without any time whatsoever to sit there with a to sit there with with your your notes and X stuff out or without any time at all you stand up there

You've right as the song service began the pastor leaned over and said, oh by the way We need to be done by this time and you know what else always happens

We'll have you up there by quarter after you'll have a full 45 minutes. I'm always getting up there at 25 after and and frequently since you're the guest speaker you need to you know

Bring some greetings do some introduction break some ice. That's gonna take some extra time So you're looking at 30 minutes instead of having 45 minutes and now you're looking at your notes and it is a it is not a

An easy thing to take that information and go. All right. How do I cut this down?

Which illustrations do I cut out? What do I cut out a point? Do I make it a two -point sermon set a three -point sermon?

How do I do this? It's it's it's not easily done I I can't give you a specific

Process outside of I think there's a an ability to know whether you're communicating something relevant or not

Basically is what you need to use as your standard if is you are you still making people understand the passage that?

sort of might be the way to to summarize How I would how I would put it.

So anyways and Back to just looking at the text great joy rejoicing.

Is that a term that's used in regards to our presence? Through Jesus Christ our

Lord and again if you're sort of like the Puritans feel like John Owen you could easily preach 10 12 14 sermons on this text

Because what the Puritans would do is the Puritans would would preach one sermon on Him who is able one sermon on keep you from stumbling one sermon on make you stand in his presence one sermon on His glory one sermon on blamelessness one sermon on great joy

I mean, that's literally how they would do it and there's nothing wrong with that It just you don't get through well

There's nothing wrong with at all I mean you do end up covering a whole lot of scripture because When you're only preaching on three words, you're going to be bringing a lot of stuff in from other passages obviously

But anyways, you know some people like that some people don't all depends but anyways So you could develop a tremendous amount through Jesus Christ our

Lord the role of the mediator The the fact that we are we are invited to boldly approach the throne of grace

But we are only invited to approach the throne of grace Because of what Christ has done and in Jesus Christ union with Jesus Christ all these things

Could be brought out in that phrase through Jesus Christ And then of course be glory majesty dominion and authority before all time and now and forever

Each of those terms glory majesty dominion and authority are used in other Doxologies in the

Old and New Testaments and so again you could do an entire study on glory on majesty and dominion authority

I won't do that tomorrow I Won't do that tomorrow morning. I will point to other passages where glory majesty dominion authority are used in doxologies in Revelation 1 5

And in by Paul and 1st and 1st 2nd Timothy and and in 1st Peter and 2nd

Peter and so on so forth I will draw Parallels to each one of those and draw those things out explain what the words mean

And of course one of the big questions will be how can we? Give God glory magic dominion authority since he has all glory magic dominion authority

What does what does it mean now to the only God be glory? Since he is all -glorious to the only

God be majesty since he has all majesty the only glory God Be dominion since he is king of kings and lord of lords

How does how are we to understand that Would be obviously a major portion of the work that needs to be done

And then how do we put it in this context before all time and now and forever? There is a there is a phrase that if any phrase in the

New Testament Calls out The the word forever, you know,

I've encountered all these people Who will say well?

The the New Testament really doesn't know the word forever I remember some

Mormons who would do I remember where was that Westgate? I? You sit back he's our thing.

Oh, yeah, there's trees over to my left and I'm facing me. Yeah, it's got a Westgate Haven't had a lot of conversations of Westgate in many years now sadly

Anyways that over at the Westgate of the temple saw like I remember this one guy and oh he was just as confident as can be no, the

The scriptures never talk about eternity. The scriptures never have any you know

Discussion of that and here would be a phrase just just screams it out before all time and now and forever

But again how it screams it out and then what that means Obviously this transcends merely creaturely a scription of praise in the sense that we didn't exist before all time

So obviously that that tells us something about what it means To ascribe glory majesty dominion authority so on so forth to God So those are some of the questions that immediately just come into my mind and then

I go back and notice some of you are going so when do you When do you get to the to the

Commentaries, I haven't gone to a commentaries yet and To be honest with you unless there is something that just in the text just Just doesn't make any sense or that I can see there's a real

Boy, you know if Jude says this here and I know that over here Peter said this and Paul said this over here

You know, I wonder how others have worked through a seeming contradiction or something like that I Stick with with the fact that the greatest commentary on the

New Testament is the New Testament in Greek and Oh, you're an elitist.

I can just hear people saying screaming that right now, but that's That's what the

You know, my Greek teacher said that and I have found that to be absolutely positively true the the greatest commentary in the

New Testament is New Testament its original language and Unless there is a need to go beyond that and or an abundance of in a plethora of times of time

To to go through it as well I'm not going to be searching out a lot of commentaries

And I'm certainly not going to be doing that in the middle of the exegesis unless I encounter something that just I Want to have another set of eyes in essence to look at it.

And that's what I view commentaries as and If I could just for a moment

Sort of get on my my hobby horse and and preach for a second

That's One of the main reasons why our seminaries whatever seminaries we're looking at simply can never give in to the postmodern movement which makes the biblical languages a

Secondary study for the person in the pulpit Many seminaries are giving in and they're saying look our

Surveys have shown survey says our surveys have shown that the the pastor who learns

Greek in seminary The vast majority of them do not use it in their work, they just don't use it and Therefore there is no reason to put them through it.

There are plenty of Greek tools available There's plenty of commentaries available. And so we're not going to make it a requirement for the master divinity or any of these other graduate level degrees and I am

NOT trying to say that there are not wonderful exegetes of scripture who do not know the original languages

But those who seriously work with the text will tell you they wish they did know the original languages

If they haven't had the opportunity of learning it Um They will tell you that they would like to be able to do that and that is a hindrance to them that they cannot and So many of the errors that we have to deal with Come from the fact that people will not engage in serious exegesis think again a few weeks ago dealing with Dave Hunt You have

You have well whosoever is used a hundred and sixty seven times in the

Bible. No, it's not Whosoever is an English phrase and whosoever translates a number of different Hebrew and Greek words or phrases that may or may not have the same meaning so to run off to Strong's exhaustive concordance and Ignore the differences in the underlying text leads to all sorts of problems and difficulties and in fact errors and That's the kind of thing we're talking about here and so a person who doesn't have access to those languages is

Dependent upon secondary sources and folks even the best commentators even the guys you like and respect

Have their own hobby horses. I have them and I've told the story many times before in various contexts of Of the the the minister who who came to me with a with an insight this is this was back

I was man. I had lots of hair and I was skinny That was the early years of my 20s not even late years of my 20s, but I Had studied the original languages and so he came to me said hey, you know this commentator

And I'm I have forgotten now over the years which commentator it was but it was someone who was pretty well known It may have been

Hendrickson. I'm not sure But this commentator had made a comment about something in Hungering and thirsting for righteousness in the

Beatitudes and he said man this preaches, but I've never heard anyone else say it Could you check it out and see if he's you know out in left field someplace because I've never

I looked at a couple other Commentaries nobody said anything like this at all. And so I looked into it and I wrote him a report

It was only about two or three pages long, but it was single -space small print So it's fairly lengthy and I went through and I said well, you know, it's it's a possibility but here are the issues that you need to be aware of and in point of fact

You really can't make the claims that he's making and these the these are the reasons why and these are the things he left out

And I'm not really sure why he came to this conclusion. Maybe it was one of his favorite sermons. I don't know But fundamentally, sorry, it doesn't work that way.

It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't work and I could tell he was visibly disappointed when

I gave him that that report and Gave him my summary of it, which said sorry, it doesn't pan out.

Well a couple weeks later That that fellow got chance to preach and yes, he still preached on that passage and as I'm listening to him

What does he do when he got to that section? Well, he preached it anyways and later on I I Happened to be walking past him

It was a very very large church we were at and he saw me and he sort of put his head down a little bit and he got this guilty grin on his face and he looked at me and said

But it really preaches And you see aside from what that says about what we do we interpret as preaching the point is that this individual was

Was in a position of being dependent upon that commentary And in fact, he was didn't he was dependent upon me to tell him whether the commentary was right or wrong

That's not a position that we want to be in and so if you have the opportunity avail yourself of the opportunity

That's not elitism as mr. Hunt would like to say that is honoring

God's Word So many of us to make a buck Will learn all sorts of complex things

Many of you who work in the computer area you have had to sit there and stare at these manuals to learn

PHP and PNP and HTTP and Java and and Pearl and and all these variants and all the rest of stuff and these

Manuals are stinking thick and you know what when you die That knowledge is going to go to the grave with you and no one's gonna care and in fact after the next generation of operating

Systems come by it's gonna be irrelevant. Remember back at y2k when They had the joke about You know how they were having to find all these people who could write

C Language the old basic stuff from back in the 70s and stuff to update these computer systems and people who knew these old old systems

We're getting paid, you know megabucks to get everything y2k compliant and all the rest that stuff Well, that's the way everybody who knows everything there is know about Java today is gonna be in ten years

There's gonna be a new standard then there's gonna be something else is being run then But we spent hours and hours

Learning these things and studying these things so we can put up these websites and we can make it nice and that's all fine and good

But I don't understand the thought process that goes into well

I will I will invest tremendous amounts of my own time to learn these things, however,

I Think it's downright elitist for you to say that I should learn the Greek the New Testament so I can preach better No, I don't think it's elitist at all.

It just makes sense to be able to do what you need to do well, anyways, we will continue looking at Hermeneutics and the homiletics on the other side of this break.

We'll be right back Such a rare today

So many stars strong and true quickly fall away

And Welcome back to the dividing line. My name is James white We're looking at a little example of hermeneutics and homiletics today.

And in case any of you are wondering, I'm not really sure What's going on over here?

Oh The palm pilots thinking Fritz eight has got quite the attack going here, but I think he

I think he's just going for an endgame victory here He wants to wipe out all the pawns on the Queen's side and then the

King's side and then just march him down there And that's how it's gonna end. I'm not sure but I don't think it's gonna end today

Well, it will today. I mean during the program here, but in case you're wondering that's what's what's going on.

Anyhow, we're looking at Jude verses 24th 25 various sundry issues that go into a presentation of this particular passage and So going back to my notes,

I have already Put to the one who is able then I moved down to verse 25 the only

God discussed monotheism the most basic truth of Christian theism and I Expanded what does it mean that there is only one

God that he is the only God does that does that have any meaning to? Us or is that just something we should you know that had meaning back when there were

Competing religious systems, but now everyone's a monotheist aren't they? Well, no, not really and I think we miss a lot of the richness of worship when we do not

Ponder the fact that he is the only true God so on and so forth So no others the self -sufficiency of God the fact that he created all things the only object of worship men are not gods and then

I Transition to the next phrase if he is the only God then he is the only Savior which is what the next phrase is our

Savior Expand upon the meaning of that and of course the use of our Does he want to ask this on on the air and besides that it's not how you spell it

Yes, all right put monkey foo on the air Right now go ahead throw them on there.

It's okay. We do things faster Hello, I can hardly hear you too not only that but You sound like you're on another planet right now

In fact, nobody else can hear you either Did eat did you do? We're just sitting here waiting for a rich to find the right button because you know this happens each week

But we're not sure why that button likes to move when it shouldn't be there still can't hear you

I Play a song or something while you figure out how to get him get him up or or what

I could sing blue Yes Our technician is working on it feverishly well tell tell the technician to put it in one spot tape it down You're getting a little louder.

Oh There you are. Hey That amazing how that works there you go.

Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Hey, so did you know he spelled your name m o n k e y

That is how can anyone look in the channel and think that it's that it would be spelled that way yeah

I mean right now your monkey lurks. Anyways, that's right. Okay, that's right. All right It's interesting topic today.

I'm rather enjoying it. I am as you know, I preach to the Pope with my church from time to time

That's a good place to preach in. Yeah, generally it beats Walmart sometimes But I had a question on take on a sort of technical question for those out there

Proposed to you, of course. Yes first is about your notes It's interesting when you run across other people who preach or maybe you're going behind someone or you happen to see their notes

Mm -hmm, and I'm always amazed at the variety of way that people Yep, some people have like Nothing just like five or six sentences and other people it's like all written out myself personally the way

I've come to do it is Basically, I preach in my office as I'm I make an outline roughly as I research and study for the sermon but when

I actually Write I actually write out the high majority of what I say and I do it

If I were to write it as a paper, it would have a different context, you know what I mean? But in other words,

I sort of preach not out loud, but I sort of write it as I'm saying it So that I'm almost reading it to an extent and I believe

Edwards had done similar. Oh, yes, he did Yeah, and so that's kind of more my line. What type of technique do you take on that?

Well You'll see you'll see two different kinds of notes. I I literally have a one of those little pieces of hotel

Note paper stuck in a Bible somewhere that had three verses and a Greek word on it

That I used when I was traveling so my traveling notes do tend to be significantly

Shorter Because again when I travel I'm basically being asked to speak on subjects

That are related to the debates I've done or the books and articles that I've written

And so there are already things that I've done a lot of research on and so I don't need a lot in the way of notes and so I have gone from Number of times traveling no notes at all.

Nothing, but the Greek text open it up That's what I was saying If John 6 just open it up do it because that's that's all the notes

I need to having a little bit of an outline to when Churches will ask me to do something that's gonna take it's gonna take me a little bit out of my normal area

Obviously that expands then interestingly enough when I'm at home When I'm preaching at Phoenix Reformed, my notes are fairly full in the sense that I'll have the the text in it.

I'll print it out on Generally an 8 and a half by 11. Sometimes I will even use my PDA as my source of notes

And this new one that I have actually works that way. In other words, I can actually see the text well enough to do that but generally

I Feel more comfortable if I can print it out with a large enough print Font on it that I can read it very easily

While standing up and that's another issue I mean, this is a really practical thing that a lot of people may not think about but For example once in a while.

In fact this September. I'll be going up to Globe, Arizona the metropolitan

Mecca of Globe, Arizona and John Skaggs is up there continuing the the work he's done there for many many years in Globe and he does a conference the last weekend upset in September and John Skaggs is huge.

He is tall is all get -out and His pulpit, I mean it just dwarfs me and you see, you know, the shiny dome, you know sticking out the top

That's about all you get and you know My chin's almost down where the notes are, but then you'll have other places where where you've got, you know a rather diminutive speaker normally and it's not like you can it's not like MacArthur's Church where I Spoke back in September where you've got the hydraulic

The hydraulic pulpit you can just adjust it to where you want it So you have to make your notes depending on your eyesight something you can actually look back down and you don't want to have to Be searching for where in the world you are

They they're not really functioning. So right now and I'm not done with them I'm looking at three pages of Notes, but these are at 12 point font and The Greek text is fairly large and there's a fair amount of white space.

So it's not it's not super tight, right? It's fairly large and I'm looking at about about three pages

It might be about three between three and five pages when I get all done with it in an outline form is what I'll be using

I Have more notes when I preach if he makes reform because these folks hear me every week, right?

Either teaching in Sunday school or when I get an opportunity to preach and so I've got to do more work basically, right?

Yeah, I figured I've figured out after doing and I'm maybe going on three years now I guess um,

I I find that for me I had to move up to a 14 font just for readability, right and our pulpits rather big.

It's not huge It's not small, but it's nice size and It's funny all those technical things come into play

You don't want to lose your place No, it's and it's easy to lose your place and then you come back to the notes. You're like, okay now, where am

I? In fact, I completely I completely did that I made it I made it and it was it didn't work.

Well at Grace Community Church back in September was

I was doing my introduction, which I hadn't developed a lot in my notes. I in essence

Jumped down to my second point and I had a hard time working the first point back in It was very hard with my notes, even though man that thing is huge I mean, we're talking acreage on the top of that pulpit

Well, that's that's why I don't I don't know exactly. I didn't really give too much thought I just partly it was an attempt of me to stay focused because like you mentioned earlier

Once you start getting into it, particularly even if you have the notes when you start to preach yourself I believe if you have the gift you you your heart starts to swell up and you just wanna you get so much you want to say right and then you have to Discipline yourself.

It's okay. Wait, I'm speaking about this though, cuz it's so easy to run off in 15 rabbit trails It is it is and some people do as we well know

Well, and then and then and then they blame the spirit for their lack of discipline, right? Yes, that's where you get the problem exactly like well, you know, no, wait a minute

What was the point of this, you know, but I have one other question too. It's very interesting Have you ever read lectures to my students by Spurgeon?

I know that I have it. I don't remember reading it now Well, I've read parts of it here and there and it's as it says it's lectures to his students for seminary and for preaching obviously particularly

You really ought to read a section in there the chapter called posture action gesture, etc and this is an interesting topic to when it comes to preaching is that he mentions about What is the proper usage of your body in the pulpit?

And he actually has sketches in the book which tend to be quite humorous one of one pose for example, he calls the penguin

He's got a little illustration of a penguin next to a guy preaching and how they hold like a man who would hold his vest right up tight to his chest like that posture like a penguin and It's interesting because he critiques all these things.

He critiques the person who Relentlessly hammers and pounds the pulpit and as he puts it with no rhyme or reason

Just to sort of emphasize and here's a little part of his conclusion, which I found interesting He says in conclusion do not allow my criticisms upon various grotesque

Postures and movements to haunt you in the pulpit Better this is great better perpetuate them all then be in fear for this would make you

Tramped and awkward Dash at it whether you blunder or no a few mistakes in this matter will not be half so bad as being nervous

Oh, man, you know Certainly, you don't get the feeling from sermon

Spurgeon from Spurgeon's sermons. There you go that he was nervous And and people ask me.

Well, are you nervous when you speak and generally I'm not anymore I know I was initially but I I've always learned to to turn nervous energy into into a positive thing

But generally anymore I've spoken so often in public now, I'm not nervous in the sense of Fearful, which

I think is what he's talking about. I I but I do I have a

Respect For what's going on? I think there's a line that needs to be maintained there.

I do not buy into the let's wear Hawaiian shirts and shorts and Flip -flops because there's nothing really special going on here.

Anyway, it's just one guy talking to everybody else No, I think there's there's more to it than that and at the same time there though, there's you know, the the

Roman Catholic You know elevation of the person standing up there to some special position that they'll actually hold so it's always a matter of balance

Yeah, I remember when I visited your church a few months ago and one of the things

I noticed particularly was Pastor Frye's mannerisms in the pulpit and As compared to other folks and it's interesting how you see certain things and when you do that You start to think well,

I wonder if I hold the book that way, you know It's like do I do I turn my head or am

I looking down or up with all the different postures and um, I actually gleaned a few things from him that day and to be honest the main thing that I got and It's just something that happened

Like if some people think well, they're not listening to this, but I think those who preach do His cadence when he speaks.

Mm -hmm. That was the biggest Thing that I brought away from that because I've listened to tapes of my early sermons and it was like a chipmunk on speed

And I do have a tendency to speak quickly so in the pulpit that's a disadvantage yeah, how much can you cram?

It's so I've learned to really slow down in my pastor the other day was talking when he said to me says

You know notice some little different within the pulpit And we started talking about it goes. Yeah, that's a good man.

You slow down a lot And I said, yeah, I'd rather I'd rather have the point made correctly and clearly then cram in 15 points in a three -point deal

So anyway, you have a very little interesting nuances that most people don't think about goes on when you approach that situation well,

I remember when I was debating

Jerry Maditax in Denver the we did a two -night debate and and after the first debate a

Fellow came up to me and he he patted me on the back and he I said you do a great job.

Just just one suggestion he said he said Make make slow down and make a connection with your audience first because my thought really was in the first number of debates

I did Get as much in as you possibly can because it's time There's so much

I need to say and if I don't say it then I'm not gonna get a chance to say it and a debate is is really how much you get in there and cram it all in and At first, you know almost any

Criticism, even if it's constructive you you sort of you the sinful tendency is to bristle and you don't know what you're talking about How many debates have you done?

But I really thought about it and the the next evening and we continued to debate the next night

I I started off the debate and a bacon hear this it's on straight gate and we haven't on our mp3 list

I started off the second half of the debate the next night at a Presbyterian Church By pointing the audience to the fact that up in the corner was one of the windows

They had these straight stained -glass windows had the Alpha Omega symbol in it and I apologized to my my

Roman Catholic opponent for this obvious Demonstration of bias And everybody laughed and it really helped.

I mean, I think it probably you know, okay, it took me 30 seconds That's 30 seconds less of a church father.

I'm reading but did they listen more to what I said because I Demonstrated I was human or would they have listened or they've been totally turned off completely if I just simply

Just been throwing stuff at him. So yeah, there's all sorts of things like that. And and I I I'm not trained in that area.

I took a homiletics class, but I don't know if they even stuck. I just I preach as a teacher primarily and A lot of folks say

I communicate in such a way that they can understand what I'm saying So I'm not exactly sure that I could teach that it's just something part of it was

I grew up doing radio I grew up behind a microphone and so they do not intimidate me at all That helps a lot

It's Not that you're selling anything, but it's just relating to people

Yeah, and I know I remember reading about humor, for example, and you know, there's a guy that comes on the radio here locally

And one of the things that just totally Totally drives me insane is you can he's got such an outline for every one of his terms are exactly the same

Hmm and he starts off every single thing. He does with a joke Well yesterday

I was talking to my wife and you're like, oh, here we go It's the same and then he gives a passage and he gives a point and at the end it always comes out to a semi

Alter call. Mm -hmm, you know. Oh, yeah. Well, I was taught I was taught because I went to Southern Baptist School I was taught that part and parcel of your sermon preparation was learning how to Make it into the altar call.

So you basically if you had if you had 35 minutes to preach At with 10 minutes to go you need to start transitioning into a gospel presentation even if the passage had absolutely positively nothing to do with calling sinners to repentance at all, even if it was completely about husbands and wives or something you had to find some way of Of getting that altar call going because I was basically taught that was the central aspect and the main purpose of the preaching exactly

Yeah, like all I have to do is mention Christ and it's a speaking of Christ and then that's it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, like oh, here we go.

Yep. That's how it works. Anyway. All righty. All right. Thank you very much for your call, sir Great. We'll make sure that Warren finds out how to spell monk and it was not fair because it was

Warren That spelled monkey foo and Warren's got having computer problems. He hasn't been the channel for a long time

So he hasn't seen your Nick's so we're gonna have to let that one We will have to have mercy after all he did memorize didn't he there he did

So what's which is more important? Memorizing Jude 24 and 25 in Greek or knowing how to spell monkey

There you go Thanks for the comment. All right. God bless. All right.

Hey, you know what I want to do I think we've we've covered a lot of this stuff. Make sure my computer is up and ready to go

I mentioned a song earlier and I'm go ahead and play it here for you Steve camps come out with a new new

CD called desiring God based on Piper's book of the same title and I've gotten to hear

Steve sing this this next the song I'm gonna play for you It's called my sins my sins my

Savior and I heard it in its early stages when it was still being being written and developed and Beautiful song just wanted to give you an idea of what

Steve's up to these days I guess that his new new CD called desiring God My Savior And Save only

Christ These Forgiveness Fully free, abundant grace

I find my hope and refuge

In Thine unchanging face

My sins, my sins, my

Savior How great a need they fall

Sing through Thy patient mercy

I ought forsake them all

Their penalty's forgiven

Yet their power suffers me

The shame and guilt and anguish

They lay, my Lord, on Thee My sins, my sins, my

Savior What cost to Thee ensue?

I hear bruised in temptation No devil could subdue

Thou wrestled in the garden

And prayed the cup would pass

Thy sanguine sweat, Thou trembled yet Embraced His will at last

My sins, my sins, my Savior Thou perfect sacrifice

Or drained wrath's chalice to the dress

Thy Father satisfied O Holy Lamb of glory

High Priest, Lord God and King We worship

Thee with reverence Thy matchless name we sing

My songs, my songs, my Savior No grand at feast shall know

They'll trumpet of Thy glory

To wretched men below Thy righteousness,

Thy favor Stream from Thy throne above Sustain the hearts, my

Savior Thou hast left with Thy love

My sins, my sins, my

Savior My sins, my sins, my

Savior My sins, my sins, my

Savior I believe we're standing at the crossroads

Let this moment of sin flow away We must contend for the faith our fathers fought for We need a new