July 24, 2020 Show with Ron McKinney on “One Christian Pastor’s Journey Parenting a Child with Leukemia (& the Sovereignty of God in the Midst of Frightening Trials”

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Ron McKinney on Parenting a Child with Leukemia and the Sovereignty of God

And I am so thrilled to have back on the program Ron McKinney pastor of Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia. Today he is addressing one Christian pastor's journey parenting a child with leukemia and the sovereignty of God in the midst of frightening trials.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor Ron McKinney.

Thank you Chris. I'm pleased to be back with you brother. Pleased to be back with you.

Amen. Well as we normally do to refresh the memory of our listeners or to talk about your church briefly for the first time to those who have never heard you before. Tell us about Kinsey Drive Baptist Church.

Kinsey Drive Baptist Church is centered I suppose Southern Baptist Convention faith of the Baptist. And we call the doctrines of grace. And I've been here for 30 years since 1990. I moved here from Dallas many times.

I went from Big D to Little D to Dalton, Georgia. But Dalton isn't by that they're done every year. 90 of the money that's here had a way to vary. We like to concerning the person of Christ and popular today.

And yet it is what we need to.

Preach is. Amen. Well if anybody is interested in finding more about Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia, you can go to their website Kinsey Drive Baptist Church dot com. Kinsey Drive Baptist Church dot com.

I'm also going to give our listeners our email address in the event that they would like to join us on the air with a question of their own regarding our theme, One Christian Pastor's Journey, Parenting a Child with Leukemia and the Sovereignty of God in the Midst of Frightening Trials.

Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. So let us begin with this specific child of yours that had or has, I'm not sure what the current status is, but if you could tell us how you found out this child of yours had leukemia.

Yes, sir. There's quite a hiding...

Yes. And by the way, I want to let our listeners know that we have conducted an interview with Ron on he and his father and his family making an exodus out of Pentecostalism into the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

So you could look that up. Yes, sir.

The Diagnosis, St. Jude, and the First Shock of Leukemia

On April 23rd, I believe that is so important to this divine healing. I'm a Twaggert and I knew a lot of other people. That particular healing evangelist in 19th... Uncle, that they left the destination.

I'm in Thuring School. I played basketball. While I was there, I predestined and brought up the subject of that matter. I got a hold of the formed doctrine of predestination. Father read it and eventually out of the denomination.

Everything to see. Seminary in Jackson, Mississippi. I was in the very... From Belle Haven, but I knew these men. I began to... It's not just... And I love them. Be a cheerleader. And Heidi was very...

So I began to pray that I decided to take... Another man came back at another hospital at five o 'clock. And then the doctor, we got to deal with... Go and... The blood doctor, lady that was with Charlotte.

And this lady, she was sure, but we're stunned by it. We didn't... The lady, I said, strength. I asked him to help me. The lady, I said, medically. I understand this is some... Got up with my wife. Neither one of us.

I held her hand. If this is your... With having that pain. I remember going... I walked around. The body was with me. And they said these words to Heidi. I said, Heidi, you have fear that she had. But she said to me, this word...

This mean God is testing me. Testing you. And he's testing me. And he's testing your mom. And he's testing all of our church really meant. She said she knew that some people lost their hair. That was kind of her view of it.

She didn't know how. Leukemia. It's one of the... More people die of heart attack. That was something that was stunning to me. Thinking about the blood. The fact that the... You have these whites... To me, it's not somebody else.

Calling my father, who's a pastor. And I said, I can't even hardly believe that I'm saying this. I feel body, you know. And I'm looking down on this. So unreal. We're together as a family. One older, Heidi, got together and then said, I want you to having a church family.

Of course, they cared for us. December 1962, when Danny Thomas started as a young...

It looks like Ron got accidentally disconnected. We hope that he will call us back. We're going to go to our first commercial break a little bit prematurely. And hopefully, he will call us back very soon.

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Trusting God's Design in Crisis

Welcome back. This is Chris Armisen, your host of Iron Trumpet's Iron Radio. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the entirety of the program is Pastor Ron McKinney, Dr. Ron McKinney, who is the pastor of Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia.

And today we are addressing the theme, The Journey, or One Pastor's Journey, Parenting a Child with Leukemia and the Sovereignty of God Amidst Frightening Trials. If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is ChrisArmisen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

And as always, give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And you got disconnected, Dr. McKinney, just about when you were talking about how in, I believe it was 1962, you remember seeing a commercial, I believe, for Danny Thomas.

Yes, that was Danny Thomas, who was a teenager, and I said someday that when we got there, I was watching the television, and he was on television, and what he was doing was appealing leukemia. And she later died from case doctors.

At the very beginning, she had 43 chemo within the first year, and every day had about 189 spinal pads. Not only are we dealing here with children that you don't expect everything to be wonderful. Life tells them that God is, you're not going to always have it just wonderful.

So that's why Heidi responded and said, is God testing me? Got there, and I had nothing to know where I was. Came up to me after the second day that I was there in the lobby. And St. Jude Hospital has literally hundreds and hundreds of people going everywhere.

When this man comes up to me, he says, are you Ron McKinney? Sure I am. He says, well, I have a car for you. He said, I can't tell you who it is. Here's a car provided for, and then, and we got to know this lady very well, and she showed us around to show the ropes, take out her, heard of that, her blood pressure, and they were going.

Finally, somebody says, you need to go out, and one of the nurses, are you all right? Well, I was seeing all this. She said to me, she says, what's going on with you? And I was weeping, and I'm praying to the one that I know.

That's my daughter, and I'm praying, but I said, save her life. I will serve you, and love you, and live for you, but if you take her life, I will serve you. Praise God. Praise God. She didn't know what to do, and the doctor that was standing there, he was just kind of, hey, what?

Bear with me to stand there, and then she was taken to, there was a nurse in a machine, and she was a beautiful lady, and she just takes all the monitor. Every day, they don't even remember the drugs they were given her, but when we went in there, they just, it was amazing how they took her body, and they just began three days of just sitting there, and she worked like 22 hours one day.

I said, Michelle, how do you do this? She says, oh, Mr. McCain said, I've done this for Twisted God. That's the only way she could do that kind of work, because we had lost, during the time that we were there for the, given that you're going to live, she had treated, high doses of that, make her, it would be for, in her mouth, and she had to knock her out, if I may.

Of course. She got a shot of morphine, and then I drove her all the way to Memphis, which, and got there, if I may, Heidi Alexis McKinney, with acute lymphochromosome. We came back for, instead, suffering from bone pain for several weeks.

We are in Dalton, where she got a shot of morphine, and then we immediately drove to Memphis. The next day, we learned that the Lord, the following day, was, hey, that's an unusual thing, Philadelphia chromosome.

The very nature of God teaches us, comprehends, making things minute. This is not true. Unnecessary. Chooses how to bring it to realization, that it must be in Heidi. And I know that I might have in Christ, to find comfort, and comfort.

Divine providence is God's rule, government, dominion over, and disposition of all things, for the good of his elect. Great name. All things work together. Amen. We have to go to our middle break right now.

That was really moving, and I am praising God for every word you said. But we have to go to our middle break. If anybody wants to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And you're not only going to be doing them a favor and us a favor, but you're going to be doing yourself a favor and anybody to whom you give books published by Solid Ground Christian Books because they are publishers of the finest in Christian literature from the past and present.

Their website again is solid-ground-books .com. Solid-ground-books .com. Remember them for birthdays, for back-to-school gifts, for wedding anniversaries, for retirement gifts, for bereavement gifts, for any kind of a gift that you are giving to a loved one, whether they are a Christian or not.

Because, remember, a book you give to a lost person published by Solid Ground Christian Books may be used as a tool in God's hands to lead that person to eternal life. So, always remember solid-ground-books .com and always remember to tell them that you heard about them from Chris Arnzen of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio whenever you make a purchase there.