March 8, 2018 Show with Ken Ham on “Gospel Reset: Salvation Made Relevant” PLUS Dr. F. LaGard Smith on “Darwin’s Secret Sex Problem: Exposing Evolution’s Fatal Flaw: The Origin of Sex”

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On this 8th day of May 2018, and I'm so delighted to have one

of my favorite guests back on the program, somebody who has been

educating me on the topic of creation, especially for many years, going back

to the 1980s when I first saw him live at a creation

conference in New York, but I'm delighted to have back on the program Ken Ham.

He is president, CEO, and founder of Answers in Genesis US and the highly

acclaimed Creation Museum and the world -renowned ARC Encounter, and one of the world's

most in -demand Christian speakers, and he is going to be addressing Gospel Reset,

Salvation Made Relevant, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you.

Back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Ken Ham.

Hey, Chris, great to be with you and appreciate all.

You do.

I appreciate you being on, brother, and all you do, and we have in studio back again as our co -host

today, Charlie Liebert, who is founder of sixdaycreation .com, and he

also, a number of years ago, used to work with Ken Ham, and it's great to have you back in studio,.

Charlie.

Thank you, it's great to be here, Chris.

Hey, I call Charlie a living apostle.

Yeah, I'm still here, though.

The Lord hasn't taken me yet.

Yes, I don't think you're the only one who calls Charlie a living apostle.

That's true, I agree, that's true.

And I hope that you folks stay tuned for the remaining 90 minutes

after Ken's off the air.

Ken will only be on with us for a half hour today, but for the remaining 90 minutes, we have my old friend,

Dr. F. LaGarde Smith, back on the program after many years of absence from the show.

He is going to be discussing his new book, Darwin's Secret Sex Problem, Exposing Evolution's Fatal Flaw,

the Origin of Sex.

So we look forward to having him on later on in the program.

But Ken, this is a book that you have written that is not really focused

on the creation -evolution debate.

This is something really focused on an issue that's as important as creation

is, and as important as the old earth, or I should say the young

earth, understanding of creation is.

This is even more of an important issue, the gospel.

Tell us about Gospel Reset, Salvation Made Relevant, and especially

explain.

The title, because it is an unusual title, Gospel Reset.

Our heart and answers in Genesis, as

many people, people on about creation, we deal

with that in regard to helping Pete,

the book of Genesis,

and there's been a

particular

reason that

I've

always

seen, I've

noticed over

the years,

the way most

of the

church concerning the

origin of sin, Charlie, hold onto

your seat, at your age you need

to hold onto your seat.

This is so radical it could knock you off your seat, and the radical idea is

this, you ready?

How about we start

preaching

the gospel, you don't start at the

beginning,

just you.

The generations that

are coming through now, the millennials, and then those that

are now younger than the millennials, they call Generation Z, say God.

They no longer think of the God of the Bible, it's within, they have no idea what you're talking

about.

Instead of going out there and need to recognize

these generations don't know who Jesus is, and they don't have the foundation for it, we need to start at the beginning in

Genesis, and to lay that foundation, and we need to bring the

arguments of the world that stop them believing the book is true in Genesis.

If we don't start preaching the gospel starting in Genesis, they're not going to understand.

It is one of the reasons for going back to Genesis, when we are presenting the gospel,

because people need to know why they need salvation.

I mean, there are a lot of Christians that go around telling people you need to be saved, and so on, and they're not

even really explaining what that means, and why there is a necessity for salvation.

Is that one of the.

Reasons we have to go back to the beginning?

Absolutely, and think about it, we're telling people, look, you need to be saved.

Increasingly, they don't even know they're lost, and they don't know what being lost means, and the way I illustrate

this to help people understand it, I use two sermons in Scripture, Acts 2 and Acts 17.

In Acts 2, Peter goes to the Jews.

Now, the Jews believed to have the

sacrificial system, so when Peter preached to them, you know the Lord Jesus on the cross, you sinners repent

of your sin, they understood the message, and they all

preached the same message to the Greeks in Acts 17.

Now, the Greeks were a pagan culture, had many gods, or a same

message to the Greeks.

They said, what foolishness is this?

You see, the Greeks believed in God, they

don't go to church

like they used to,

or Sunday school,

like there are

many

gods, they don't

know, and

they have no clue.

You've got to start at the beginning.

You've got to lay the foundation.

You've got to

help them

understand, and

what he did on the cross, they're not going to

understand, and in addition to that, we've got a problem in the

Bible with our culture today, and say, well, they did it against the

Bible, by the education system, by the media, and so on, legitimate arguments to help them

understand, the Bible is true, science does

contend that, I can answer your question.

Now, let me present the gospel starting in Genesis here.

If we increasingly keep presenting the gospel away

there, Acts 2...

Now, we have a listener,.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who asks, when I see

things like your title, that say, salvation made relevant, forgive me if I get a bit

nervous, because there are so many ministries, and churches, and Christian celebrities,

who, when attempting to make the gospel more relevant, they remove the sting from it.

They remove the call to repentance.

They remove all the bad news that makes the good news wonderful news.

Can you reassure us that that is not what.

You're doing?

That is certainly not what I'm doing.

And when people read the book, and it's meant to be a title to intrigue people to read it, and it's a very easy

read, this particular book, as you know, it's not a long book, and I've had many, many Christians

pass powerful messages.

The gospel has not changed.

The message about sin, and the need for repentance, none of that has changed.

And that's got nothing to do with that.

It's got everything to do with making it relevant for today's culture, in the sense that we

have generations today, who don't believe the Bible's truth, and science has

disproved them.

When you say God, look, generations ago, when you went into a public school, there

were many gods.

You mean the Muslim God.

Which God do you mean?

It's like the Greeks in Acts 17, who had many gods in their culture.

And what happened was, when Paul preached the message of, you know what

he said?

He looked around, he said, here's an altar to the unknown God.

You have an altar to this unknown God.

Let me tell you who he is.

And then he defines who the real God is.

He doesn't dwell in temple.

The fact God made of one man, because we're all related.

We're all descendants of Adam.

That's why we're all sinners.

And then proceeded on to the message of Christ, and the cross, and the resurrection.

You notice

something.

He then, foundation.

Then you notice, here you again, and some were saved.

And so, like pagans, it's sort of be like, let me explain to you this

way.

Stage of the creation museum, we have non -Christians who come every day, but we had 300 atheists come on one day, a number of

years ago, as a group.

Wow.

They were these aggressive atheists.

I did not expect them to go through thoughts of arguments,

and direct them

to blame the gospel,

right?

I watched this, and it made me realize

there are arguments

that I

didn't understand

before

talking about.

I'm talking about the same message, not watering down the message, not changing

what it means.

And I, I totally understand what that person is saying, because that is happening.

By changing the way, changing the message of the gospel,

talking about changing the method to preach.

The same gospel.

Yes, and I, and knowing you, you're not

talking about using all kinds of gimmickry, and things that turn a worship service

into more like a party, or something.

You're just talking about being relevant to the culture, as you were saying Paul was,.

On Mars Hill.

Yeah, exactly.

And in fact, you know, one of the things that I actually speak against, you know what I see today?

I see a lot of churches realizing we're not impacting the culture.

Hey, when you, when you look at what's happening, do you realize that, you know, the generation which my

mother, my mother is in her 91st year, that's called the greatest generation.

And then, you know, they're the ones born before 1928.

And then you have the silent generation, 1928 to 45.

Generation X, 65 to 80.

Then the millennials, and then generation

X.

Church attendance for the greatest generation in America was

percent, down to 18

percent.

People, the church is not on

the teaching of the gospel.

Trying to make the church look like, that's not

what we should be doing.

Explained the whole

heaven, that

history is foundational to the gospel.

It's foundational to the doctrine of marriage.

It's foundational, foundational to why Jesus died on the

cross, and was raised from the dead.

Who don't have that foundation anymore, and so they can't understand Christianity.

They don't understand the doctrines.

They don't understand that what I'm talking about is, we have got to get the church back to preaching

the word of God from the beginning.

Countering the false arguments of the age.

Pointing people to the word of God.

Starting from the foundation, like

building a long foundation.

It's the foundation of sand.

It's the foundation that they got through the public education system.

Foundation of the, really the analogy that I

use, it's, it's building a house from the foundation.

Up, not the.

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We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

And Lou says, why do you think the phrase, and it was good, was not

stated in day two of creation?

Actually, that's interesting that that question is asked, because we just had an article on our website about that.

They can go to the answersingenesis .org website.

I'll say a couple of things.

First of all, number one, at the end of the sixth day of creation, after the six days,

God said everything he made was very good.

So that includes all six days.

So day two is covered under that anyway, that it was very good.

But we also suggest that on day two, he didn't seem to make anything new.

On each of the other days, he made something new, but not on day two.

He just used what was already there to separate waters above from waters below.

So there was no need to declare it good.

So that's the way that we would answer that.

But there is an article on our website.

They can see that one of the latest...

Great.

Well, Lou in Sharpsburg, you've also won.

A free copy of Gospel Reset.

So make sure we have your full mailing address there in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

We have, let's see, RJ in White Plains, New York, who wants to know, since the Muslims

claim to believe in the Old Testament as well, how would you start a conversation with a Muslim

using the Old Testament as a springboard into the Gospel and their need for it?

Yeah, you know, there's only three really what you would call creationist religions in the world,

and that's Orthodox, Judaism.

Here's what

I would say.

You present the Gospel no different than you...

I mean, the Bible is for all times, and

Godship to

God.

So it's for everyone.

The Bible is not just so

that

they

will become,

and so you

also need

to be

familiar...

Actually

just

like with

an atheist

as well,

but

that's

a

whole

other topic

that we

could

get

into.

Well, I wanted to let you know, I don't even think I told Charlie Liebert this yet, my co -host, but about a week

ago I had lunch with Charlie.

He dropped me off at the local library, and there was a Muslim woman with a baby

stroller walking in at the same time as me, and she saw 6daycreation .com

emblazoned on Charlie's vehicle, and she started to ask me about it, and I had a little

opportunity to witness and share with her the URL for this radio program, so hopefully she's listening today.

She was very intrigued, and she immediately dug through her pocketbook for a pen and paper to write down the URL for my

website, so she didn't seem like she was just appeasing me or anything, she looked like she was very interested.

But Charlie, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.

And you know, they don't understand or believe that Jesus is God, and they don't understand who Jesus is, and they have no

assurance of their eternity or what's going to happen to them in the future, and it makes a big difference what

He did for us, and it's not our works, it's not...

Other than Christianity or other religious views.

Amen, and Charlie.

Lieber, you had a question?

Yeah, one of the problems we face, Ken, is the education system is bringing out people that are preconditioned against the

Gospel.

So one of the things I would propose is that we ask them questions to get to their presuppositions.

Yeah, exactly.

In fact, look, when... let me give a practical example here, because it really relates to the same...

I've been at conferences... what do

you think of that?

Now, I know there are some Christians in the Bible who say,

I wouldn't do it that way.

What I say to that

person is, well, can

I... you see, I

start with... defend

my faith.

When I start with... that's

why I... and, you know,

I can say... what we

try to do is

impose... and that's another aspect of really what this book

is all about.

It's really explaining that we need to be teaching foundationally, communicating foundationally,

and when you think

foundationally in regard to issues

like abortion and marriage and in regard to the Gospel, and you explain it foundationally, and you think in

terms of the person I'm talking to, what is their foundation?

Because, ultimately, there's only two.

If I don't have the same foundation I do, they're not going to understand the message.

So I have to really deal with this foundational level to

the Church in teaching our coming generations what Christianity is all about.

Well, we have time for one more question.

Joey in Clifton, New Jersey.

Dear Ken, I greatly appreciate your ministry.

Some seminary contexts firmly believe in biblical inerrancy and are very faithful to the

Gospel message, but I have compromised...

I'm sorry, but they have compromised on Genesis 1 and view of

days of creation, meaning they believe in an old earth even though they believe in a miraculously created

Adam.

I believe more and more evangelicals are trying to take this old earth created Adam view.

I am trying to think of ways to encourage professors to realize why this view is dangerous.

Can you offer any suggestions?

Well, real quickly, because we only have a short time, and I only got a couple of minutes here, and, you know, we have some great articles,

and we deal with

really the other major, you know, I've written many, many books, but if you were

to go to these people,

well, because, you know, you weren't there, you know, you can go through and

say,

oh, no, but because of the scientists, it doesn't mean that, and here's the thing that we need to be understanding here.

I had a

different views of Genesis.

It's the same thing, but it's not, and here's the key

to it.

When you're arguing about different views, eschatology, different views of baptism,

you're using Scripture, and

obviously,

you're taking and you're

changing what Scripture,

even though a lot of these people might say they, and that

is somehow we

have to get that

across to them, and as soon as they add millions of years into the Bible,

the millions of years came out of deistic and

atheistic naturalism, cancer, and

abscesses, and other disease for

man, when after God made the first man, he said everything he made was very good, all these sorts

of, and challenging them, that they're undermining biblical authority, and

that's the reason why I believe, I mean,

that's

why Jesus died.

Well, Ken, it's been such an honor and privilege to have you back on the program.

I look forward to many more interviews with you in the future.

I know your website is answersingenesis .org, answersingenesis .org, and

people can also find out at that website about the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter.

Thank you so much, Ken, and by the way, I'm sure Charlie Liebert wants.

To say goodbye.

Yeah, I want to say goodbye.

Two things, Ken.

The first one is the first apologetic book I read after I became a Christian was The Lie.

Oh, great.

And the second thing is give regards to Mark and everybody up there at AIG.

I will.

It was great talking to you guys.

Appreciate it so much.

All right, Ken, thank you.

Looking forward to your return, Ken.

Okay. Thank you, bud. God bless.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned into our program today, our second guest for the remaining 90 minutes of the show is Dr.

F. LaGarde Smith, an old friend of mine.

I think the last time he was on the program was on the old Iron Sharpens Iron Radio broadcasting

out of New York when he was having a debate, actually opposing my personal theological

view on predestination, being a Calvinist myself.

But he is a dear old friend, and he is a former district attorney from

Malheur County, and you're going to have to correct that pronunciation, Oregon, who served as an

administrator for the Oregon State Bar in Portland for one year, spent 27 years teaching at Pepperdine

University School of Law in Malibu, California, and he was focusing on criminal

law, criminal procedure, trial practice, and law and morality.

He was a scholar in residence for five years for Christian studies at Lipscomb University

in Nashville, Tennessee, a former visiting professor of law at Faulkner University's School of Law

in Montgomery, Alabama, an author of some 30 books, and some of those books

include books that I arranged interviews featuring LaGarde

to discuss many years ago on the old Andy Anderson Live program before I got my own

talk show on WMCA, and those books include Fallen Shepherds, Scattered Sheep,

ACLU, The Devil's Advocate, The Seduction of Civil Liberties in America, Sodom's

Second Coming, which was a book about the destruction of the moral fiber of

America through the rise of homosexual activism, When Choice Becomes

God, I think the best title ever to be thought of in regard to an anti

-abortion book, When Choice Becomes God, and of course, I cannot forget

the book Out on a Broken Limb, which was a response to Shirley McClain's New

Age movement that was documented in her book, Out on a Limb, and

it's my honor and privilege to have you back after a long absence on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. F. LaGarde

Smith.

Hey Chris, thanks for having me on.

My, you're dredging up some old, old books.

Excellent books.

Those are excellent books, though, and I would love to even see them being revised with updated information in

them, if that is at all possible, because they were, I think, tremendous, but also let me introduce you to my co -host, Charlie

Liebert of 6daycreation .com.

Hi, good to meet you.

And you, Charlie.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Dr. F. LaGarde Smith, our email address is

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By the way, I don't know if you remember this, LaGarde.

This was back in the late 1980s.

I arranged a speaking engagement for you in Bethpage, New York, where you

addressed out on a broken limb.

And during your opening remarks, you were talking about the

unseen realm of the demonic.

And as you were speaking, you were saying something like, you know, as we are sitting here speaking, there are

things happening that we cannot see, including the demon realm.

And while you were in mid -sentence, a CB radio or something

got connected to your microphone in this church, and we were hearing other voices

through the speakers.

Do you remember that?

I do, I do, very clearly.

Everybody knows what we say on this program, Chris.

And by the way, I also have to quickly mention that LaGarde is a compiler and

narrator of the Daily Bible, the NIV in chronological order.

A very good friend of mine, Pastor John Yenchco of the North Shore Community

Church in Oyster Bay, Long Island, told me a couple of years ago that he

absolutely loved the Daily Bible, and he purchased many, many copies, dozens

of copies, to give out to people years ago, and maybe still doing it.

But I just wanted to give that shout out to Pastor John Yenchco, because he was really impressed with the Daily Bible.

And tell him that my...

Oh, another quick thing.

I don't even know if you're aware of this.

Years ago, I called your home to arrange an interview.

This is when you were still living in Malibu, and you were working for Pepperdine on the faculty there, and a

woman answered the phone that I was to find out was your house sitter,

and it turned out to be the daughter of a friend of mine, Paul Seto, who was,

for many years, the pastor of the Queen's Christian Reform Church.

Paul Seto's daughter somehow knew you and your wife and was...

I think she was a student there in Malibu?

Yeah.

That was a really remarkable providential occurrence there.

Small world.

Yeah.

I don't know if Pastor Paul Seto is still with us, because he was very,

very up in years way back then.

But I'm sure we'll meet him in heaven one day if he is not already

there.

He will be there, I'm sure.

But anyway, the book that you have written, I know that

since you are frequent visiting England, you will be very familiar with the term

cheeky, and I know that your title, Darwin's Secret Sex Problem, is a bit of

a cheeky title, and we have to clear up any misconceptions or

preconceived notions that our listeners have about this.

This is not about Darwin wearing a German helmet and stiletto heels or needing a prescription

for anything.

This is about exposing evolution's fatal flaw, the origin of sex.

How did you come about to discover this and feel the need

to put it in a book?

You

know, Chris,

this is

one of

those

topics, the theory

of evolution,

logically, there's got to be a problem.

Wow.

You have as a subtitle, a challenge to both evolutionists and

evolutionary creationists.

I was just talking with my co -host, Charlie Liebert, before the program.

He loves the phrase evolutionary creationists, not because he agrees with evolutionary

creationists, but he and I had never heard of theistic evolutionists referred to

that way.

If you could explain that subtitle.

The

title

that

basically

says

the

same

that

he

did

it,

he's

now

director

of the media.

That raises a huge issue, and the issue there is simply that

evolution process requires reproduction, struggle, and death.

Death being a part of the creative process is contrary to basically everything the scripture teaches.

I don't know how you can credibly make those statements.

It just boggles my mind.

Well,

really

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Lagarde, I would like you to comment on something you've written in the

book before you even begin chapter one.

This is a dedication to tomorrow's researchers, thinkers, teachers, and leaders whose passionate

search for scientific truth may at last bring about a long overdue rejection of the

romanticized evolution story.

An evolution revolution is coming.

So, I'd like you to comment, if you could, both on what you mean by a romanticized evolution story and

also on what you mean by an evolution revolution.

Well,

Chris,

the

romanticized

story, we're

going

to

realize

at

some point

that

we need

something.

Come on, we've

been fed

in the

last

30 minutes.

You can't

even

start

from God.

No Bible.

My

book

is the

Bible.

None of

that

makes any sense.

Then we can

talk about Jesus.

In fact, my co -host, Charlie Liebert, founder of sixdaycreation .com, before the show, he told me

that your thorough expose of evolution's fatal flaw, the origin of sex,

is all we need, really, to disprove evolution.

You want to expand upon that, Charlie?

Yeah.

As I was reading that, I was thinking, if scientists really take this seriously, then evolution's been falsified.

I mean, it's falsified.

And here's the quote that we all need to keep in mind, from none

other than

Charles.

By numerous successive slight modifications, my

theory would absolutely break.

And all I am doing,

we've

gotten to the basic,

and that's

basic copy, call

it get

in the

next

generation.

Reproduction,

the kind

of

chromosomes

necessary

to

get from the very, and on

to the third, and so forth.

Well, there's another factor here that just occurs to me as you talked about this, and that is in mitosis,

there is absolutely no diversity.

In other words, the paramecium is the paramecium forever.

But in sexual reproduction, diversity is enhanced by the fact that every single chromosome can be

different.

All the genes are different.

Yes.

The variability becomes huge.

You cannot get from one process to the other.

Certainly, gradually.

You'd have to have,

if anybody's out there, it

sounds a lot like, here come that,

oh, that

can happen.

Well, as absurd as that possibility is, refuted.

But I'm going another step.

It's not a matter of complexity, because

mitosis, I

think,

is more easily understood by most people, who

may not even know what

mitosis

is, primarily because of a union

of millions of species, plants, animals, so forth, millions of species.

They each and every one reproduce in a different way.

They have different mating habits, different mating equipment,

some mating instincts, because they're sexually unique.

Now, to get from one sexually unique species to another is

a matter

of logic.

And you know what?

This is

intriguing, Chris.

To say that the origin of sex, they acknowledge, quite,

they acknowledge the queen of evolutionary problems.

And they struggle with it, and they study it,

and they never once, never once talk about the even greater problem, in

a sense, of how you get millions of species.

Never once.

There's another factor here, too, and that is things like chromosome count.

I mean, it has no logic in terms of the complexity of the creature.

The highest chromosome count is a plant.

So that whole area itself, how would you bridge from one to another to get another species, if the chromosome count is

different?

You can't go from 60 to 40, or 40 to 60.

Yeah, you can't even do it, you know, where you got it.

That makes no sense at all.

And we have a question, Lagarde, from a mutual friend of ours,

Dr. Latane C. Scott, who is herself a published author, who's been on this program a number of times, and I'm looking

forward to having her back to address a number of things, including her book, Why We

Left Mormonism, which she co -authored with a number of other scholars who have their doctorates

who were former Mormons, who became born -again believers in Christ Jesus.

But Latane says, I've been reading Lagarde's new book, and it is excellent.

His mind is like a scalpel.

Honestly, I don't ever want to be on the opposite team from him on anything.

And she says, the main premise is that there is no explanation from evolutionists for the

emergence of two reproducing genders from a previous status of asexual reproduction.

Hope I didn't reduce that too far, and I'm open to correction.

Lagarde says that for two -sex reproduction to have gotten started, you would have to have a

male and a female fully equipped to reproduce at the same time.

I want to play devil's advocate, which Mormons would agree I am good at.

Would it be a reasonable theory that males of a species develop sex organs,

penises, in an evolutionary process, and then one of them met up with a member of his species

which had a birth defect like an egg -bearing vagina, and the rest is history?

Or did Lagarde cover this issue in the book, and I missed it?

Of course, for this theory to work, all species would have had to have the same happy

accident or some other explanation, and that explanation was grotesque enough.

But anyway, if you could answer our friend Latane.

Yes, I had planned to have her on to describe or discuss that as well.

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Lagarde Smith, and we are discussing his book, Darwin's Secret Sex Problem,

exposing evolution's fatal flaw, the origin of sex.

And our former questioner, or a previous questioner, I should

say, Latane Scott, assured me that you two did not collude beforehand on your

promotion of her book, Conspiracy of Breath.

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We do have John in Bangor, Maine, who says, Are there any theistic evolutionists

who at least do not believe that all of life came from

a single origin, and therefore God created some kind of ape -like creatures that eventually

evolved on their own into humans, and therefore the sex issue would not be a

dilemma in their theory?

But I don't even know.

If such

theistic

evolutions

exist.

Well,

I'll

tell

you,

Human

Genome

Project

and

its

interpretation,

we now know for absolute certain, hominins,

and this is someone who says he believed,

stepped in at some point,

and it's what they

give.

Yeah,

definitely.

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vitally important?

Is this merely just ivory tower discussion that people can disagree over

behind the privacy of closed doors without it having any impact on

human life and faith?

Or is this something that radically disrupts the true faith of

Christianity and the.

Gospel?

Let me approach it on two bases.

One of, and that is this, it certainly matters to

the Normandy landings, say.

You

don't have to,

it's not historical.

And so once they do that,

because, for

example,

gymnastics, let

me just

give you a quick illustration from N .T.

Wright, because he's so highly respected.

The starting point of it, and

drawing on Jesus'

parable,

listen to this, in contrast to the arbitrary

commandment, I mean,

goodness,

and then as

for

the facile,

it

can't be serious

theology, scripture.

Because once you go down the line of forcing evolution

into Genesis, you are,

and because

of that, and

that is,

and you

get that message out there

to enough young

people

in our

generation.

That's great.

Well,

believe

me,

Lagarde,.

I much prefer a guest like you who speaks freely than somebody who I have to pull teeth trying

to get them to talk.

In fact, I remember when I was interviewing

Brad Harub, who's a Christian creationist and young

earth proponent and advocate.

I was telling him that when I saw Jeffrey Dahmer's testimony on

TV when he was being interviewed before he was murdered in prison, he had

professed to become a Christian, and he said one of the reasons why he found killing

human beings an easy task, or at least it became easy, was because he viewed them as

no more than evolved animals.

And now I'm not saying that every evolutionist is going to become a serial killer,

but it does, it actually gives a dilemma to the,

especially the godless evolutionist, because as David

Silverman, the president of American Atheists, admitted when I had arranged a debate between him and my

friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries on, is the New Testament

evil, which was the theme of the debate.

David Silverman was backed into a corner when Dr. White said to him

that if you were to be marched through the gates of a death camp,

would the best argument that you could come up with against what was

happening to you, that you found this to be personally offensive?

And David Silverman, who is an ethnically Jewish atheist, said yes, because he knew that

he could not say as an atheist that there are absolutes.

When it

comes to right

and

wrong.

Yeah, I'll

tell you,

I

don't

like

to bring

conflict.

He had sort of bought off on

Darwinian story, the

romanticized story of evolution is morally and

in

the end

lead

us up the

future's

endless

path.

Excuse

me, we

have

a little

difficulty.

There.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia, who asks,

do you know where Tim Keller stands these days on Genesis 1 through

11?

I do not personally.

Yes, well, unfortunately, it is very clear, and this is not something that Tim Keller

hides.

He is certainly a theistic evolutionist, and he is a chief proponent of that

biologos that you were discussing earlier.

Well, thank you, Lou, and you have won a free copy of Darwin's Secret Sex Problem

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have about four minutes uninterrupted to summarize what you most want etched on the hearts and minds of our listeners.

Before

we

go

off

the

air.

It's

impossible

by the

way it

works.

I

fully

agree

with

them.

You can't

never have happened.

Grand theory.

The

romanticized.

Well, I want to

thank you so

much

for being

our.

Guest today, Lagarde.

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