Matt Slick Live: February 5, 2025

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Show Introduction, Email Overflow, and Upcoming Jordan Tour

Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. And I think today what I might do is tell what I do here on the show because sometimes we get new callers, new listeners, people calling in.

We have newbies all the time, people just tuning in. Well, what's this show about? And I'll get to that in a sec. Today's date is the 5th of February, 2025. If you want, you can give me a call. As usual, it is easy to do.

Just dial 877 -207 -2276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. It's easy. You can also send me an email at info at karm .org, info at c-a-r-m dot o-r-g. And put a subject line, radio comment, radio question.

We can get to them. All right. Let me look, see if we've got anything in there right now. Any new stuff. We only have 64 emails in our inbox. That's it. That have not been addressed. And boy, we've got a lot of stuff in there.

That's nothing. 64, that's nothing. Let me check this out. I have Matt at karm .org. There's 2006. And Matt Slick at Gmail. There's 1441. And then my private, which I'm not going to tell you what the address is, my private has 334.

Oh, man. I'm going to have to put caution tape around the office here and just do emails for like a week. Good thing I have one of those speech recognition programs. I have one of those. And I have, I can say paste whatever, like an opening or closing or this or that.

And it'll just put it right into the text of an email. And then I can just move the cursor and then start voice typing a bunch of stuff in for the, you know, an answer. And I can do that. So that's good.

All right. All right. All right. If you're tuning in new, so my name is Matt Slick is my real name. And that's why we call it Matt Slick Live. And I'm a Christian apologist, which means I defend the Christian faith and debate and teach.

In fact, I was just doing that for about an hour and a half today. I had to go someplace. When I get bored, I turn on my phone. I go into a chat room, a chat place and go in and start talking. And man, I'll tell you, people don't like being cornered.

They do not like it. And I cornered this one guy, two guys actually, man, they just come swinging. They don't like it. So that does happen. And maybe I'll tell you about that, but also, okay. Now, finally, I guess I'm going to tell you that we're going in November.

We're going to, a bunch of us are going to go to Jordan for a Bible lands tour. And so let's see, I'll make sure I get everything right. So, yeah. Okay, good. So I was supposed to put a newsletter out and our newsletter system has been down and I haven't been able to do that for a while.

And I talked to a specialist and he said, it's ready to go today. I haven't even checked. I've been so busy. So I'm going to do is write an email tonight and send it out to everybody and let people know that we're going to have a final offer over on Friday.

This Friday is in two days from now that on the 7th, today's Wednesday, right? Today's Wednesday? Yeah, it is. So that if anybody wants to still go on the Jordan tour, I'll be going, Lord willing, unless something comes up, but I'll be going along with some other people on the bus.

We're going to flying into Jordan. The guy we're doing this with has been there multiple times. It's safe. It's not a problem. He said, just like going to Turkey. And I feel perfectly safe in Turkey. I've been there twice.

No big deal. People treat you fine. You're just normal people. And so we're going to go there to Petra and also Sodom and Gomorrah and a bunch of other places. In fact, I'm looking at the website, 2025jordan .com, 2025jordan .com.

It'll forward it to this website. And there's a little special something about this trip. There's a guy named Joel Kramer. Joel Kramer is a biblical archaeologist, and he's got like 700 ,000 followers on YouTube.

The guy is incredible. And that's no understatement because I've been on tours with him before and where he's taught. And I'm telling you, he brings out stuff no tour guide's going to bring out. It really is good.

We were at, for example, we're at Jericho, and there's a cordoned off area. Don't go beyond this area. And so he waits and et cetera. He goes, come on, let's go. And then we go over to the back area. And he said, now look at this.

Look at that. They don't show you this, but look at it. And we get this, these private tours. And it was through him. We got to go into the Qumran cave area also. So he has these abilities and this insight, and he's going to be on this tour.

Now, after this week, Friday, if nobody signs up, cause you've got one spot left under me. So one more spot that if you sign up under me, you go to 2025jordan .com and then use, you know, use my name, Matt Slick.

It's under me. Then great. If not, if nobody does that, I'm going to put the newsletter again for this tonight. But if nobody does, then it's going to go over to Joel Kramer and it's going to sell out in two minutes, three minutes, five minutes, that kind of a thing.

It'll be just, that's the way it is. So, but this, this trip's going to be great. We're going to be going, let's see. We're going to go to Amman, Jordan, then Tel Raba, Philadelphia Museum, Amorite Tower, then Mount Nebo, Madaba Map, Heshbon, Beth Peor, let's see, what else?

The Bethany by the Jordan, where Jesus was, was baptized, actually. Sala Borza, Petra, oh man, Petra. But you can't be, this is another thing with a trip, is you've got to be in shape to walk. So you have to prep walking.

What I did for my last trip, I was walking up to five miles a day, and that was fine. I just put my headset on and listened to Bible stuff and did some talking and, you know, and went to Petra. And I think the Petra day we walked 12 miles, like six miles out, and it's a bit of a walk, just letting you know.

But, you know, it's not like 80 miles an hour and you can do it. We've, we've, I think we walked five to ten miles a day overall between, you know, stops and stuff like that each time we're doing these tours.

And it works out fine. We're also going to be going to Sodom and Gomorrah and Pella, Jerash, and then we fly home. Anyway, 12-day trip, if you're interested, 2025jordan .com. And Joel Kramer's website is expeditionbible .com.

How about that? That's really good. Okay, we've got no callers waiting. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276. And like I said, you can email me as well. And just send an email to info at karm .org.

Original Sin, Pelagianism, and Romans 5:19

All right. So I've been learning a lot of theology. I'm always studying. I'm 68. I've been studying since 1980 and reading the Bible and studying in seminary, college, debates, teaching, writing articles, etc.

And I have a lot more to learn. I really do. I don't say I have all the answers, but I'll tell you one thing. I know my reformed theology really well. And I was driving someplace to have lunch with some people and I decided to get online and just listen on the phone.

I just go to listen, listen to what they're talking. Sometimes there's some good conversations in chat rooms. And so I did that on the way up. And then on the way back, let's just say some heresy was being taught in a room.

Let's see if I can jump in and kind of help out a little bit. So I did. And next thing you know, in an hour discussion, and I get home and I switched to my computer and we're having discussions and the prevenient grace got brought up.

And I love the idea of prevenient grace. And I'll tell you why it came up because we're discussing of all things, original sin and Romans 5, 19. And it was great because man, so I go to Romans 5, 19, right?

Talking about original sin. This is what this verse says. Okay. For as through the one man's disobedience, the many were made sinners. Even so through the obedience of the one that many will be made righteous.

All right. Before I get into this, I want to introduce a concept called Pelagianism. Pelagianism is a heresy. It's a false teaching that states that the, an infant, a newborn has no sin. Nature is not fallen.

There's no guilt to the baby account. There's nothing there. That's Pelagianism. Okay. That's the basics of what it is. There's more to it, but that's the basics. So I say, well, that's wrong. And Pelagianism has been condemned by basically every council throughout history.

Reformed, uh, councils, uh, even Catholic and he started like they condemn it. Okay. Because of various verses, it says, for example, like Romans 5, 19 for as through the one man's disobedience, the many were made sinners.

Even so through the obedience of the one, the many will be made righteous. Now folks, let me tell you, there's a lot here. A lot. I could teach on this a lot. But these two verses Romans 5, 18 and 5, 19, because they're related, but this is the sub point of first 19.

I said through one man's disobedience, that's Adam sin. The many were made sinners were made sinners. Now in Greek, that's the aorist passive indicative. And what does that mean? This is what it means.

Aorist is past tense, past tense and active to be passive deals with what's called voice. There's active voice, middle voice and passive voice in Greek. We have it in English too. People just don't talk like this.

What's your, you know, the active voice of the structure of this and the predicate nominative and the indirect object. And so what we do when you study Greek, you learn those kinds of things because that's how you discuss what these things are in Greek.

So you understand, you know, if I were to say, what's the present active indicative first person singular of the verb to walk, they would give me that exact form. I know exactly what it is. So stuff like that.

Now this becomes important for the average person. When we understand that, when it says the many were made sinners, were made, that's in English, is the passive voice. Let me explain what active, passive and middle voice are.

Active voice, I hit the ball. Passive voice, I'm hit by the ball. Middle voice, I hit myself with the ball. In active voice, I perform the action. In passive voice, I receive the action. I'm not doing it, it's happening to me.

In middle voice, I'm performing the action on myself. So this is important. So the passive voice means I receive the action. There's somebody else doing something or some other event is occurring and then it affects me.

It comes upon me. So I walked out into the storm and I was made wet by the rain. The rain came down. It made me wet. It drenched me. I was made wet by the rain. That's a good example. Was made wet. That's the passive voice.

I didn't make myself wet. I didn't take water and pour it on my head. And that's the middle voice. No, I was out there and it happened to me. Like you could be in a room and a water pipe breaks and it gets you wet.

You're passive in it. It's doing something and you're receiving the action of becoming wet. Okay? This is critical. Through the one man's disobedience, that's Adam's sin, the many were made sinners. They received the action.

They were made sinners by Adam's action. That's what the Bible says. So I'm talking to this guy and I said this to him and he says, well, when you give a hyper literal translation and he tried to dismiss what it meant by saying it's a hyper literal translation.

And I said, but I, but that's what it says in the Greek and it's important. And then he, you know, they say, well, you do the Greek thing. Try to impress me. No, I'm just telling you what it is. And in the English, it's even were made sinners, which in the English, it's a passive voice in English.

We have passive active and middle voice in English. So I said, that's what happened to us. Oh, they didn't like that. They didn't like that at all. And the conversation continued. I'll tell you what else we got into, which was really interesting.

If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Prevenient Grace and Whether Faith Is Granted by God

All right. Welcome back everybody to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number 877 -207 -2276. All right. So since nobody's calling, a lot of people don't when I start teaching like this because they just listen and that's okay.

If you want to call me, oh, there's someone coming in, but let me get through some of the stuff that I was saying. Now, I asked one of the gentlemen, this is an important question. It says through the transgression of the one to the disobedience of the one, the many were made sinners.

And I asked, does the many include infants? That was the killer question. And this guy could not answer the question. He said, oh, other people, this, when they sin, I said, I didn't ask that. I said, when, when the, does it include infants?

I noticed a lot of times people don't answer my questions. They answer something they think they want to answer instead. And they say, that's the answer. It's not the answer. And so what happened was, interestingly, afterward we got into the issue of prevenient grace.

And I'll get over this really quickly. Prevenient grace. Prevenient grace is the grace that comes before that enables a person to freely choose Jesus. And another person got in and started defending prevenient grace.

And I even talked about this issue of, there's another issue I want to get into probably after, we'll see when I call her, which I think is a Catholic guy will be interested, where God is a standard. And we can get into that maybe a little bit.

This is a really important theological point that a lot of people don't, don't make, don't understand. But prevenient grace, nevertheless, get back to that is the grace that comes before. And I said to them, I said, so it makes someone basically neutral where they can just freely choose or not choose.

Right? They said, yeah. Okay. So then why is it Jesus says that you can't come to him unless granted to you from the father. And if that's the case up to you to choose and why does it say that he is granted that you believe by Jesus, by God.

Now they can't answer these kinds of questions. Uh, they can't, let me put it this way. They will say they can answer them, but I'm going to say they don't answer the question. They answer something related to the question and they think that's the answer.

They don't really focus on the specifics of what I'm exactly asking. That's often the case. And it really is. And it was with them and they went off to some other answer. But I said, look, if it's, if God just makes us neutral, why is it that we have to be granted to believe by God?

It's granted to us. Air is active. Air is passive indicative again, happens to be in the same, the same form there that we receive the action of believing that it happens to us. Why is it? That's the case.

If it's just up to us to make a decision, that's the question they can't answer from their perspective. Oh, you know, so much, so much theology. So little time. Let's get to Bob from Nebraska. Bob, welcome here on the air.

The Rosary, the Hail Mary, and Catholic Prayer to Mary

Hey, thanks, Matt. It's good to be speaking with you again. The other day when, when we talked, we never even got to the topic of the rosary. Uh, Chuck from North Carolina had called and was talking to me a little bit about the rosary, but it didn't sound like maybe either one of you knew too much about it.

So, um, I'm just kind of curious what your, what your knowledge of the rosary is. It's a set of beads that are prayed and there's certain stations on if a station is the right word or segments and you do things in order.

And the purpose is to help you remember what to do and how to do them in the proper way. And you pray, uh, some are our father's prayers and some are to marry more to marry than the father. Okay. Yeah.

And so, so when you pray the rosary, it's, it's a very scriptural and a traditional prayer. It's been around since the earliest days of the church in different forms, but, um, but yeah, so it's, um, it's five decades and a decade refers to 10, uh, 10 hail Marys for each of the five decades.

Um, and you prayed and you meditate on mysteries, um, for each decade and the mysteries are basically parts of the gospel. So you're on parts of the life of Christ, but it all originates from the earliest days of Christianity when monks would, uh, pray the 150 Psalms each day.

And that's where the physical object, um, kind of came about because in order to remember which Psalm they were on, they would use a knotted rope or, or stones or something like that. And so that's the, that's the tradition of, of using that object to keep track of where you're at on the prayer.

Cause it takes about 20 to 25 minutes to pray it when you pray it. So I didn't know if you'd ever heard of any of that stuff before. Yeah, I have. Um, I've heard of all of this. It's just, I haven't put it down in a specific order.

I have my notes on Catholicism. Let's see right there. And the notes are 240 pages. And some of it is just, uh, recitations or just copying what the CCC says. So I have references in that set of notes, like probably 20 pages.

Catechism is a great resource. You know, any, any question you have about the church is pretty much at least referred to and sometimes pretty fully explained in that catechism. Oh, well then I could ask some difficult questions out of the catechism for you then.

Well, so what else do you, I mean, do you know that, you know, what the different meditations are in the rosary and the fact that the hail Mary that you pray is actually a very scriptural prayer like the, our father is.

Uh, it's not a prayer to Mary. That's, that's, it's not scriptural because you're praying to Mary. That's not found in scripture. Yeah. So in Luke one 28, you have the angelic salutation or exhortation.

And then in Luke one 42 through 43, you have St. Elizabeth and that's called the evangelical exhortation. So that's where you get basically the first half of the hail Mary is just repetition of, of verses from scripture, which is a very Christian thing to do, you know?

So those are, um, that's why the hail Mary is a, is a very scriptural prayer. No, it's not. Um, because when it says Luke one 28, when it's, uh, you know, it's a, you know, you're, you're highly favored one that was the person praying to Mary at that point, the person was recognizing that, um, just, that was just a, uh, you know, an address to Mary.

So hail Mary is, is, uh, hail, you know, hail Mary, hello, Mary. And that's what the angel was saying. So that's, you know, the Ave, that's basically Gabriel was Gabriel praying to Mary. No, he was addressing Mary.

And so, so this is when I do that. Okay. Well, it actually is. So, you know, uh, you know, when we, when we call out to somebody, um, you know, in a sense it is, is, you know, praying for their attention, you know, say, Hey, pray, tell me, um, you know, there's different ways to say that, but, but the Ave Maria is simply, uh, uh, the, the Latin form of, of that verse.

So when we're talking to each other on the radio here, is that praying to each other? Um, no, but we can pray with each other. So I could say, Matt, you want to say a prayer with me? And, uh, we could pray.

So we're not praying to each other when we're talking to each other. And Gabriel was talking to Mary. That was not a prayer. And yet you guys take it and make it a prayer, but it wasn't intended to be a prayer.

Well, can't you use scripture in your prayers? So even if, uh, even if a verse of scripture isn't, you know, the words of a prayer in and of itself, you can use that, uh, scriptural verse to aid you in prayer.

And that's really what the Hail Mary does. It's just a recollection of the angels addressed to Mary and the, and the enunciation, um, which is a very, very pivotal place in all of human history. So it's a great thing to remember, um, in prayer, except that, um, it's not a prayer.

And if I am praying and I use scripture, I'm praying to God. So I don't pray to Mary because she's a functioning goddess in that point. Well, the prayer, a prayer, um, you know, the Hail Mary, um, is actually asking for Mary's intercession to pray with you, to intercede for you.

Just like I might ask you to pray for me and my family. I'd say, Matt, you know, I, we're having some health issues or whatever. Can you, can you keep us in your prayers? And you'd say, sure, Bob, I'd be happy to do that.

And so we call on, but we got a break. We got a break. Hold on. Sorry to interrupt. We'll be right back. Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We've got a break and hopefully.

The conversation will continue. So please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls.

Communion of Saints, Intercession, and Whether Mary Hears Prayers

At 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the show. Let's see if Bob is still there. Bob, are you still there? I am Matt. I am. Yeah. So we're talking, I guess now about kind of the saints ability to intercede for us or, or why people might include, um, prayers with the saints in their, in their prayers.

Right. Yeah. Is there anything in the new Testament about praying to saints or praying to the Mary? Um, I don't know. I suppose that, um, Romans 8 35 through 39 talks about death can't separate Christians from Christ.

And so if, if people have gone before us and they've led a, um, you know, exemplary life, you know, a virtue, then they're probably, well, actually we believe they're closer to Christ than, than we are here on earth.

So, you know, for instance, St. Thomas, the apostle, you know, he's the patron saint of doubters and stuff. So if I pray for you tonight, then I would ask St. Thomas to intercede on your behalf and help you open your heart to the full truth of the gospel.

Okay. So Thomas, can Thomas hear millions of spoken from people in different languages thought, uh, thought had spoken, uh, all over the world simultaneously? Well, I mean, we think that when we, um, get to heaven, things are going to be much different than the physical experiences we have on earth.

For instance, you agree that in heaven, um, space and time are not like the space and time that we understand as human beings. Right. I don't know if that's the case or not. I've not been there, so I can't tell.

Neither should you. And since you haven't, you don't know, you shouldn't make it a case and building a dog. It isn't, it isn't a pretty basic Christian, uh, you know, Christian understanding that God is outside of space and time.

We know. I always tell people, don't say he's outside of space and time because we don't know what that means. Yeah. So, so the rules, the physical rules that we are governed by just by the laws of nature on earth.

Um, we, we don't believe necessarily apply in heaven. Is that a fair statement? Okay. Have you ever been to Turkey, for example, the country Turkey? I have. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, good. Uh, well then I, you know, my analogy wouldn't work.

I'd say if you've not been there, how would you know what it's like? You don't know. It's like saying, you know, you've been to heaven. You don't know. How does time work there? You don't know. Well, then don't make a doctrine based on something you don't know.

It's just, you've read the book of revelation, right? Uh, yeah. And so the book of revelation is highly symbolic. So when people tell me, I don't care who it is. God's outside of time. What does that mean?

They don't even know what it means. Well, then how do you say that's what God is? If you don't even know what something is, don't attribute it to God. That's what I'm saying. Well, for instance, for instance, Thomas here, millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought in different languages all over the world.

I believe he can. And I believe there's scripture that, that points out that, you know, Mary can, can do this right in scripture. But you yourself have said that where's that scripture gap? Mary could hear millions of give it to you in a second, but yeah, I'll give it to you in a second.

So, um, you yourself, I think our last conversation, we were talking about John 20, 21 through 23, and you explained Christ's moment on the cross where he paid for all the sins of the believers on the cross.

And I'd like to talk about that a little bit more today, because you said something that was pretty interesting. But you say the now and the not yet. So, so you explained that Christ's forgiveness on, on the cross has relation to this now and not yet, because time does not apply necessarily to Christ and his glorified state.

Um, and so we would say other, other people that are in, that's not my position. That's not what I said either. Hmm. Well, how would you explain your now and not yet then? Because you're saying the sins that the sins that we commit today were forgiven by Christ 2000 years ago on the cross.

I didn't say that. I paid for me or that. Yeah. Whatever you, whatever your take on that is. But you basically say 2000 years ago, Christ works on the cross. Um, and now today we can, as soon as we believe our sins are forgiven because of the work he did.

And that's the now and not yet, uh, aspect of your, of your position. Um, no, I didn't say they're forgiven. I said, Colossians two 14 says Jesus canceled the certificate of debt, having nailed the cross.

So what I say is the certificate of debt was canceled at the cross. That's what I say. It's not canceled when you believe could this cancel when, what Jesus did, what he did 2000 years ago. That's what the Bible says.

It's not. And then you say you're forgiven once you believe, right? That's when you're justified. Yeah. Yes. Because forgiveness is something we experience as is justification, but I'm born example, 2000 years after Jesus was on the cross.

So exactly 2000, but you know, 2000 years later. So how he bore my sin in his body and the cross first Peter two 24. That's an example of the now and the not yet. And the only way I can, the only way I'm aware of to explain this is with predestination or election predestination and federal headship.

It's the only way I'm aware of. Maybe somebody else has got another theory from scripture, but I can back up this idea that we're elected in Christ predestined and that Christ represented us federal headship.

And that when you were on the cross, since God knows all things eternally, et cetera, he imputed to Christ the sins of the elect, the chosen ones and Christ. Cause he says in John 10 11, he lays his life down for the sheep and John 10 26.

He says, you're not my sheep. So he says, who he does it for the sheep, not the goats. That's what Jesus says. And I get some other stuff. So that's what my position, that's my position. So the now the not yet is, uh, Jesus now was our, not yet that he was 2000 years ago on the cross as a man, just like I am.

And just like you are in real time, real space, but somehow some way, all the sins of mankind past, present, future that I believe is the elect though were imputed to Christ on that cross at that moment or that moment, but then our, whatever you want to call it right there in the cross.

That's what I believe. And that's where he canceled the sin debt. Not when you believe, not when you get baptized, because the Bible says it was, it's on the cross. Not when you believe doesn't say when it gets canceled, when you get baptized.

Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think that if you're going to say you're unclear whether God operates on the same space and time that we do, I think you're departing from, you know, Orthodox Christianity. And that I think the majority of Orthodox Christianity over the centuries has understood God to you know, operate in God's place in time.

And that's without the restraints that we have, for instance, you know, when Christ was on the sea of Galilee and he told the apostles to he was over by Capernaum and he told the apostles to go across.

And then the storm happened and Christ appeared on the water. You know, he steps actually, Peter steps out of the boat for a few seconds and walks and then sinks. And then all of a sudden, you know, after Christ saves him, they appear on shore.

So that would be an instance in scripture where maybe the confines of space and time, the matter don't have an impact on Christ. He's able to surpass that. Or maybe he just has access to other physical laws we're not aware of and just acted according.

Yeah. And that according to space and time, that would be. Yeah. What I'm saying is that would be what I'm saying about space and time. What I'm saying is if you don't know what it is, don't say that's what it is.

That's all I'm saying. I say that God relates to time and space differently than we do. That's as far as I go. I don't know to what extent. Yeah. It's just different. And so we so we think that that that is so anybody that's glorified in heaven has that capability.

Yeah. You're just saying as much as God allows for it. Well, yeah, I'm just saying that. Just tell me your belief. Just tell me. Except that except that the Bible says don't go beyond what's written. First Corinthians four, six.

So then that what you're doing at this point is going beyond what's written in the word of God. You don't know. I will never say under Martin Luther didn't agree with that, but I will care about Martin Luther.

We're talking about scripture, what God says right now. And so the issue here is you're not to exceed what's written in the word of God. Nothing in the word of God says that Mary, for example, can hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought in different languages, and she can comprehend them as well as know the intentions of their heart.

So she can answer them. That's a. Well, actually, in mass on Sunday mass on Sunday, we celebrated the presentation in the temple, which I'm sure you're familiar with, where Simeon is is addressing Mary.

Right. And in among what he says, he says also that I think it's in verse thirty five. So look at Luke one thirty five. Two, I think it is. And he says and he says that appears and sort of pierce your heart also so that the thoughts of many will be revealed.

OK, you're not. And so, you know, it just happens a lot. I ask a question, make a statement. People don't respond to it. They respond to something else. But you said, is there a verse in scripture that would indicate that Mary is capable of hearing, you know, the prayers of multiple people at one moment?

And where's that? You know, this is something that five a sort of piercing in your own soul to the end of thoughts from many hearts may be revealed. That means Mary can hear millions of prayers. Well, what do you you know, if you're if you're reading that scripture version of saying the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed, Matt, as as a man sitting in Idaho today, I think that's where you're at.

Can you can you have the thoughts of many hearts revealed to you? No, I'm not a goddess or a god. Hold on. We got a we got a break. Hold on. OK. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages. And hopefully I'm going to ask him some questions.

Let's see how that goes. Some good questions. Be right back after these messages. Please stay.

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Mary, the Catechism, and the Church’s Origin, Mission, and Destiny

All right. Welcome back to the last segment of the hour. Bob, are you still there? I am, Matt. I am. So basically, you know, I look at I look at 235 and I see a very interesting verse. And to be honest with you, I just it just came to me at Sunday mass when we were reading this part of the gospel.

And I thought this is really interesting because this might be an indication that Mary has the ability to, you know, reveal the hearts and the thoughts of many, which would be prayers like the angel in Zechariah one versus twelve through sixteen that could hear the the prayers of the people of Israel and took those prayers to God who then, you know, had mercy on on Jerusalem in that in that passage.

So it would be there would be a correlation between verses like that. Yeah, I think you're implying something that's not there. So let me get this straight. So you're affirming that Mary can hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought in different languages all over the world and know the intentions of each individual praying all simultaneously and comprehending them, right?

Yeah, that's that's what I believe. I think that's what many, you know, many Christians, including all Catholics, believe. Then how is she not a functioning goddess? She's not. I mean, she's limited to the role that God gave her, which was a human being.