March 1, 2017 Show with Todd Friel on “Reset for Parents: How to Keep Your Kids From Backsliding” PLUS William Edgar on “Does Christianity Really Work?”

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This is Chris Arnz and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this

first day of March 2017 and I'm so delighted that we have back for the first hour

of the program.

Hopefully god -willing Todd Friel host of wretched TV and radio.

It seems that we've been having problems with our phone for some reason and Todd Friel many of our listeners if not.

Most will readily recognize that name from wretched TV and radio and from the many

books He has written that today.

We are going to address his book reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding and it's my

honor and privilege To welcome you back to iron sharpens iron Todd Friel.

Higher our.

You're a taskmaster.

Well, if you remember that was a part of the bargain that we had at the g3 conference when you had to cut your interview with me short.

No, I was poop but you had a long drive home with your lovely bride and you

didn't want World War 3 in the car remember.

You know body language.

By the way, I have to be very careful with my laugh.

I Got an email from a listener who is an elder in a

PCA church I can't remember the city and state right now, but he

He basically criticized me and he said I love your program I listen to it all the time, but your laughter hurts

my ears, please Please please either put yourself on mute or turn the

mic away.

So I'm gonna try my best to Help our brother who is listening our

PCA elder who is there served by my deafening laughter.

So I apologize.

I.

Have never heard Steve Lawson laugh.

I've heard him preach many times, but I've never heard him laugh.

Yes.

You kind

of

wish

you

hadn't

because.

Yes, and I look forward to the next time I have the opportunity to hear him preach.

In fact.

While I'm at it, I might as well read a commendation from Steve Lawson for the book.

We are addressing today today we are discussing reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding

and among the many of the wonderful commendations written for this book

by some people who are friends of mine some people who have been guests of mine and some People that I would love to get on this program.

But dr. Steve Lawson founder and CEO of one passion ministries Says this new book

reset for parents is a much -needed antidote for the plague that is crippling the church today.

Namely the tragedy of children raised in Christian homes, but who abandon the faith when they go away to

college.

Every parent needs to take this message to heart and implement its truths in their child rearing.

I've been privileged to be in the freel household and have seen firsthand the positive results of this

biblical teaching at work.

This is a man who practices what he preaches.

Well, that's a powerful endorsement from Steven Lawson and that was a powerful segue into the book.

I gotta admit.

Yes, in fact, I forgot to Todd.

I forgot to introduce you to my co -host buzz Taylor.

I was so panicked about the phone problem that we seem to be having my co -host.

He's trying to get it out of there.

Yes, we have a co -host today the reverend buzz Taylor who is a

Presbyterian minister, but currently a retired from the ministry and working in a different secular career.

But I whenever he has the availability to the co -host in the program I always love having him in the studio.

And why don't you greet Todd?

Well, it's good to finally meet you.

I have watched you on YouTube a few times.

So I'm very aware of you.

Well, let me let me let me just say this if you don't

mind local

pastors are in the trenches.

They are only ordained

like.

Yeah, you just inflated his ego.

And yeah, it's gonna be more difficult to have him on the program with.

Well this book reset for parents actually, you know I'm looking at the cover of the book and I'm wondering if

You're going to have a phone call or letter in the mail from Hillary Clinton's attorney because as you

may.

Remember about a year ago.

In fact almost a year to the very day today in 2009 the

United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton presented Russian Foreign Minister

Sir, Guy Lavrov with a red button with the English word reset on it.

That is this some kind of plagiarism you're involved in here.

Yeah, I'm willing to take that chance because this reset actually works.

Yes, and obviously from the.

From the subtitle how to keep your kids from backsliding.

Well, you know for me.

Just let me just jump in because I said everybody in

your

list resounding.

No No fraction

that God

is

really up.

It's a

manifesto

for they

could

hear this.

Amen, and you start off with a very intriguing title

Stop disciplining and start discipling.

Definition

must in

forgiveness of

will

radically change you.

Amen.

Well before we even go into the next chapter.

There is something that divides Christians even amongst those who profess to be theologically

reformed or Calvinistic or sovereign grace believers.

There are some Christians in fact, I'll even at some point ask my

co -host since he is a Presbyterian What his views are on this but there are some

Presbyterians not all.

I have to make it very clear that not all Presbyterians behave this way.

But Some Presbyterians and Pato Baptists do not view their

children as a mission field.

Because they view their children as being a part of the Covenant and there are others like dr Joel

Beakey who believes that children are in the Covenant because he is also a Pato Baptist, but he disagrees with that

and agrees more along the same lines as most Baptists do who would

at least Theologically view their children as a mission field and not assume that they are

already born again.

What is your? View on that and how does it affect this whole topic?

Are you talking to me or to the Presbyterian?

First I wanted to get your comments and then when I'll have buzz.

Slip in a comment about his to clarify what he believed in an effort to be.

Uncaring even if

look is suddenly been one command

one command in the Bible on the subject of parent.

Parenting it is a lifetime consuming endeavor.

One verse both

Deuteronomy 6 and

Ephesians 6 and don't exasperate if

you're oppressed, but is it a protective covenant?

I don't know if everyone

but in a percent to be acting in a gospel.

And buzz you have any clarification?

Yes.

I remember when I became a Calvinist of that one of the arguments I kept hearing was

well, then you don't believe you have to witness to people because You know if God if they're like they're gonna get

saved anyway.

And you know I went years as a Calvinist and never heard anybody actually say

that.

I never read it in a book anywhere.

You mean you never heard a Calvinist say that.

Right, right?

So I was thinking, you know, this is really a strong man.

And then one day I actually heard somebody say it.

Okay.

Well, how about.

How about to the point though about the.

That's the point I'm making.

I.

Would say I don't know about Believing that children are automatically born again simply because they're

they're baptized.

I don't believe in baptismal regeneration and I don't know any Presbyterians who do but I'm afraid now I'm gonna

hear of some.

Well, actually, I don't want to be I Don't want to be I

Don't want to belabor that issue, but there are many Presbyterians who view Baptists as being in error

when we view our children as a mission field when we view them as lost.

And I believe children have to come to the point of repentance and faith.

Good.

Well, let me have more in common than I thought.

Good and I see you're well on your way to being a Presbyterian already.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that ain't gonna happen.

Show just just for you just for yucks though.

The

Non -covenant relationship, but it brings the child into a protective

covenant.

Yes, I wish.

But I Don't want to go too far in it because I'm not in agreement with my own church on that.

But it is it is clear that many Presbyterians and other Pato Baptists blur the distinction between

Baptismal regeneration and and presumptive regeneration and and so on.

But anyway.

Show them the gospel.

I love that title.

Explain further, you know, okay.

What does

that

look

like

when you

stop disciplining and start discipling and you start thinking all right my chief aim here.

This encounter.

Naughtiness has taken place.

My goal in this is not to simply get compliance.

It's not out of you, but that is not my focus compliance.

I want my child to love Jesus more when we are done talking

now.

When you think about it in those terms, there's your son for

the 900th and you

have thousand times quit.

Chewing with your mouth.

I don't want him to simply stop chewing with his mouth, but I want him to be a follower of Jesus

Christ.

That means your conversation is now going to be look

something love your

neighbor as.

Your son's misophonia

people who

hear somebody cheers

and there's a lot of people like that.

That are just really annoyed when they hear somebody so

loving your neighbor.

Now, that's a different

conversation.

Yeah, it's not merely

identifying what my child is doing is not simply being naughty.

We need to use Christian terminology when we use terms like well, he's just a birth to a

Tasmanian devil.

Local language our kids are not naughty

here and that means my engagement.

Recognizing I am NOT.

This is not merely an

annoyance

and from the other room.

Now that might get if you add this.

You maybe get compliance from your child.

It's an annoyance.

They're making dinner.

They're sinning.

That means I can put down my ladle and I could walk

talk about what's going on a rescue mission

forgiveness.

They need to talk to their God about it and they need to unbe forgiven.

So his gospel centered parenting.

That's what it looks like and it requires time.

Energy and biblical knowledge.

Amen, and I noticed that you put the ladle down before you went into the children's room.

Let's do another scenario.

Dad you come home and you discover that your son Hits your

daughter.

You might be inclined to just whip your belt off and you and you and

you give him a lesson.

It's us now at a chapter.

I want to show my child because you

walk into the rubber punishment.

You can do that.

But it should involve Discipling so it could sound something like this if you want to show your child the gospel and

lead them to Jesus.

Hey son, can I tell you a story?

You know, I shared

I get you you

and your

dad are

maybe we

need

to talk.

And and and

then

we're gonna

banking is off the table.

What I'm suggesting know what I'm begging is

Pagans, we need

to be aiming at this

and not simply at their behavior.

Amen.

Well, this is an interesting chapter.

Have your children submit to the right authority.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is

not the music.

Who's my

deeper voice.

Or.

And if

you want to keep

eating food

You're gonna act.

That's the way.

How does a Christian parent go about the teach our child?

Does you want your child to.

And my kid gets and

I'm not there

to and we

know this

to

20 of our kids.

You have been the authority in their life.

You're out of play.

Somebody took somebody's food.

When you

approach that

you're not

submitting to

God and

I'm conceived.

You need to be obeying God and submitting to him.

And a way to do that is by obeying me.

Because I'm his representative.

So when I tell you to do something it you shouldn't do it because I'm telling you.

You should do it teaching your child

to see.

Amen.

And I'm gonna have you answer this question when we return from a brief break, but I'll ask it now

before we go.

There are Obviously a lot of horrifying things going on in the world

today that we hear about with regularity on the news in regard to

Children being kidnapped and children being molested and all these kinds of horrible things

but at the same time.

Do you not believe that?

Children need to also view adults in some level of authority outside of their own

parents and what would be the guardrails in regard to how you instill that

in your children without them making naive and.

More.

You know more of a target for evil people out there and we're gonna be going to a break right now.

I'll have you reply to that when we return if anybody would like to join us on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Orns.

And if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full first hour is Todd Friel host

of Richard TV and radio.

We are discussing his book reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding the second hour.

Coming up at 5 p .m. Eastern.

We are going to be blessed with Mac Tomlinson as our guest for the remaining hour pastor of

Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

He's going to be discussing a biblical understanding of death.

But if you'd like to join us on the air now with your questions for Todd Friel our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail

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And we already do have several people waiting to have their questions asked and answered.

But before I go to them Todd before the break, I said obviously the

parents.

Next to Christ himself the parents and the home are the utmost

authority in in the household over their children and There is however, I'm

sure you you would agree some level of authority and respect that children should be.

Giving to those those elders of there's those Adults out there that are not even

their parents like for instance If you have somebody else's child in my home for

some reason and he's got an ice cream cone.

And he's dripping it on the rug and I say, excuse me, sonny.

You're dripping your ice cream all over the brand new rug that we have here.

You would you mind taking that outside and he tells me shut your mouth, man.

You're not my father obviously, that would not be a respectful or appropriate reaction for a

Christian child.

So if you could help educate our listeners about that issue at the same time not leaving

your children more susceptible To the approaches of evil people out there who have

the worst of motives in mind when they are approaching your children.

You have a braided rug.

I don't think I used the word braided.

I said brand new.

That was an error on my part.

You've been

watching

too much HTTP TV.

Yes, and I won't mention.

The men need to stop acting like children.

Name out of

it model what it means to be a

juvenile and it's like

that's that's my grief with HGTV lately.

Well, very good.

And I've even seen some men acting too much like women on that station, but.

But if you could give our listeners some helpful advice in regard to the role of authority they should be.

Allowing adults other than their parents outside the home have over them.

Yeah, well, I think you know, I would I would consider

teaching our children about authority.

In fact,

they're

not

gonna

learn their

symmetry and God

has and yet

he's a mom and dad to

teach.

And I

would also

teach them about Submitting to

anybody who's older than them.

I gotta tell you

Chris.

I fear that's a bigger problem.

But

People are

evil they so my role is to help

we have a listener in.

Slovenia and I'm starting to wonder if he is a plant for new leaf press because his

question is.

Thanks so much to her for having Todd Friel on this most needed topic.

Please ask him if he has a workbook for reset for parents that we could use proactively as a teaching

tool.

If not Would he consider putting all these wonderful examples and illustrations that he's sharing with us today into such

a workbook for homeschoolers and young marrieds.

Classes at church.

Thank you so much for sharpening us today.

One more reason.

I like Slovenia.

I just know that that's our new first lady is from there, but I'm not really sure.

I know it's a Baltic country of Slavic.

Yeah, Eastern European somewhere.

Yeah, well, you know, I think you know, thank you for asking.

Here's the answer to the question precisely.

It's no we don't have a war

throughout

the book.

So each

book.

Well, thank you very

much Joe.

And thank you also for providing us with an American address where your daughter lives

because we are sending her a Reset for parents.

A copy of reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding.

Compliments of our friends at new leaf press.

So, thank you very much for contributing to the show.

Today we have a listener in Sharpsburg, Georgia, Lou and

Lou asks, can you give an example of how you would speak to a saved child and

an unsaved child about dating or courting?

Yeah, I the first words that come to mind are over my dead body.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah, you know a reset for parents.

Certainly one.

It's myself and they're all of that age and by the way.

Let me just do a shout -out if you happen to have some godly young men

because I've got I've got two daughters.

Telling you Chris there is a famine in the land for godly young men.

It is well, you might want to include an age bracket there when you're

making such an investment.

How old are your daughters?

Yeah at this point, I'm really not concerned about.

If you're in a wheelchair and you're godly.

What about dating and courting.

I.

Yeah, if you are not planning on marrying that person There's no

point in uniting your heart to somebody else in any emotional way.

All you can do is get scarred.

So when you are ready to be married.

Then we start at mine for every

what it is just dating

does is leads to hot

ready for Mary

make laws where there are really ready to do

and.

The problem is that if you have a child who you don't do not recognize Is a born -again

child you're not going to want that child to be.

Developing romantic attachments with Christians because that would be unbiblical but at the same time you hate to

see them.

Developing romantic attachments to unbelievers.

It's kind of a quandary there, isn't it?

Yes.

That you

are either a single mom,

I'm not sure which one is is more difficult more painful more challenging.

So obey What God says

I will be devastated.

Amen, and a loo in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

You are also getting a free copy of reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding by Todd Friel.

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We have a Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York.

Who asked would the principles of biblical discipleship be the same in the family as those in

the church?

Wow, that's a great.

Yeah, actually, I but I think that You

know the only time you have in the

whole event.

I would say

when we remember what teaching them

what the word I.

Here's something that rubs against the grain of our politically

correct and mushy gushy world even within the body of Christ.

The Evangelicals as someone once called modern evangelicals

instill the fear of the Lord in your children.

Explain that one because.

Obviously that that is something lacking not only in the homes, but in the pulpit

a minute.

I'm still trying to recover from mushy gushy.

Parents who are gonna

say no.

No, I don't want

my child to fear.

So fearing God and loving God

or not

compensating our

kids to correctly fear God is

like yeah

He's gonna

get me.

Yeah, he

is high.

So we want to make sure that we're focused on the right kind of fear now.

The question is how do you instill that fear a couple of ways?

You shouldn't do it.

Do not in the closet of your child wait for them to go to bed and

then pop out in the middle of the night.

In our child.

I think

it's very simple.

We teach them the Bible

senior child

about fear and love

for the Bible.

That's

a potential motivator for every parent the child who fears

the Lord.

Amen, and something that obviously goes hand -in -hand with what you just said is make sure they hear the correct

Gospel.

Obviously you believe that much of what children here within households is a

false gospels.

Tell us about what you mean exactly.

Yeah, well, there's so many of them and it's Chris.

Look, it's it's easy for us to goof this up.

We've got

to be careful that

we

understand and

we need to stay

possible.

They are the fruit up.

Obviously, we don't want to teach our kids charity gospel help.

But I think the life and

how any law is No gospel, it's the

gospel to your child.

And what what is the gospel

do you know what

their answer is what the

what?

Regularly teaching your child the gospel is about the salvation of sinners.

Yes, and your following chapter is something that might make some

scratch their heads because there are unfortunately Christians out there who believe by

applying the law you are Polluting the gospel they have a

false understanding about the right use of the law.

But if you could explain that, you know the right use of

the laws you realize it or not.

You maybe don't shout out the seven,

but we must

use them how to behave morally

but to frighten them To help them understand.

I can't keep that law dad.

I can't do that.

You're exactly right, honey.

But Jesus did and Jesus will credit all of us to him.

We've got an amazing safe using the law lawfully and if you don't do

if you downplay the significance of the law I think you're gonna generate likely a

you're gonna generate a grace Abuser

sometime that they

sin because they they

think that won't honey.

I know you're a tenderer than you think.

Let's take a you realize I can't but Jesus can

and he did and amen.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York who says I'm sorry that if if you already addressed

this.

But I heard you talking about instilling the fear of the Lord and your children.

Should we not also be sure to instill the fear of us who are parents into

our children?

Not in a way that keeps them cowered in the closet.

But something that is only second to the fear they have for God.

Let's define fear again, do I want them to fear me?

Yes as about

God, it's a

rebel.

So when it comes to them fearing us, we want to make sure we understand the correct kind of fear furthermore.

The reason that they should have any fear is by not obeying my pop

I'm not submitting to God and that is a fearful.

Founded in their understanding of your role that you are not you're you're a submitter to mom

and dad.

We all submit to you as they fear God.

They will remain

men and RJ.

You are also getting a free copy of reset for parents how to keep your kids from backsliding Thanks to our

friends at New Leaf Press and also Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV bbs .com.

We'll be shipping that out to you and Don't lose your balance.

Obviously that must be involved.

Some of the things that you were just talking about that have in the minds of many opposite meanings.

Yeah, this is you

know, it's been

paraphrased Christian life is

like fear.

Again, don't just camp on here.

Yes, let them be afraid of them.

Watch your balance with all of these issues.

Don't major in the minors and make sure that you aren't driving your child

in the opposite.

And they

make me

bonkers because my scenario was never

the theologically and biblically and then

engaging with your kid.

Don't tell you what to do.

I don't tell you what banker.

No, here's the theology.

Now go you just need to be

encouraged to think preeminent issue in your child's life and

then amen.

Well, we must have you back as long as you are willing and God is willing.

We must have you back to continue a discussion on this book because we only made it about halfway through and there's a lot of Very

important chapters ahead that we haven't addressed.

So if you could I'd love to have Josh Gravitt your assistant over there.

Reschedule another interview with you so we complete can complete some of the more the other chapters in the book.

Well, I also know that your website is wretched radio .com Wretched radio

.com and for those interested in this book and other new leaf press Publications

you can go to NLPG new leaf publishing group NLPG .com

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.com because they carry a whole host of new leaf publishing titles.

So Todd Friel, we thank you so much for being on the program.

It's always a joy I look forward to your return very soon and very often.

Iron sharpens iron.

You know, it's just just one request if I come back.

I'm Chris.

You got to do something about your co -host.

Well, he controls the volume of my mic and believe me there's a reason I.

Keep it.

There's a reason I keep it on mute believe me.

Well, god bless you.

It was a joy seeing you at g3 conference.

And I hope I also get a chance to fellowship with you face to face again as well.

Yeah, I hope so, too.

All right.

Well god bless you brother.

Thanks for joining us.

Thank you.

And.

Coming up next we are going to be joined.

God willing by my friend Mac Tomlinson who is on for the second hour.

He is pastor of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

We are going to be discussing a biblical understanding of death and He's also going to be letting us

know about an upcoming fellowship fellowship conference in

New England in Portland, Maine the old stomping grounds of my co -host Reverend Buzz Taylor.

We'll be hearing more about that as well.

So if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for pastor Mac Tomlinson on death.

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Pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Hello, Pastor Tomlinson.

We actually made a mistake here and have double booked a guest oh but that

that is.

That is quite.

All right.

I am going to continue with our interview William for some reason I thought that I had informed the publisher that we

had to move The the guest today, but I am I'm sorry.

But anyway pastor William Edgar.

What is the the actual title of the book that we are discussing today?

Yes, and well, first of all before we even get into that very subject Tell

us tell our listeners something about yourself.

And what providential?

Circumstances the Lord used to draw you to himself and save you.

What kind of a home did you live in?

Believer and I got to know him quite well and he suggested that I go see his

friend Francis Schaefer and grew up in Europe, so I was going to be in Europe that

summer and so one weekend in the middle of the summer of

my sophomore year I decided to go down and visit this place called La Brie and

It was over a weekend that everything for me Turned upside down or maybe right side up.

I was in a conversation with Francis Schaefer that everything started to click.

Um, it's a much longer story then than what I've just given you, but that that's the climax of it and then

I went back to college as a believer and Started going to church and all those good things.

Well, praise God for that.

And what.

When into your life?

Did you realize that the Lord had blessed you?

With a gift to write and to share with others the wisdom that he has blessed you with.

But anyway.

High school where they thought it'd be good to have me teach.

Of course in philosophy, which

is which is

the reformed seminary in Exxon, Provence where I taught apologetics for 11 years

and then the third began my 28th year at

Western Sociological Seminary

in writing articles and books and speaking and doing all the things that academics

do emphasis of.

Getting the message out particularly people the way I was before.

I've been doing this now for

quite a long time.

Well, let me give you a proper introduction since I made the Horrific blunder of double booking

the second hour and by the way William this is the first time I think this has ever happened when I was

caught off guard on the air alive.

But it's another person calling in for the second interview, but I am so sorry about that.

But William Edgar is professor of apologetics at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia.

It's about two hours from where I'm sitting and an accomplished jazz pianist.

And you might be interested to know William that my co -host the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Not only is he a retired Minister of the gospel Presbyterian

minister, but he is also an accomplished jazz trumpet player.

We must sometime yes.

Well does Christianity really work.

Some might be taken aback by that very title.

As you know, especially those who are from our theological backgrounds they might think that that is a

crass way of.

Even describing Christianity as if it's something that people are supposed to try and see if it

works for them.

That's not what you intended at all by that title, is it?

Yeah, I

want

to want

to let our

listeners hear a wonderful endorsement for this book by somebody that I think that the.

Majority of evangelical Christians Today would readily recognize Johnny

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Well, why don't you come let us know about some of the myths that you've debunked in regard to the Christian faith.

Well.

Christianity while a

Christian attitude.

Christian devil

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But finally a couple of really respected Christian diplomacy

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And we have CJ from Lindenhurst Long Island, New York who wants to know isn't it

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Christians who?

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Excuse me buzz.

I I didn't catch when the book was written.

Well, it's reminiscent of a book I read probably much better than a decade ago.

I don't know if you're familiar with it, but D. James Kennedy wrote the book.

What if Jesus had never been born showing?

Now obviously There are unfortunately a great number of people who

profess to be Christians.

Not only in the 21st century, but throughout the centuries.

Who have given?

Basically our faith.

A black eye in the eyes and minds of the populace in many ways.

Isn't it important that we distinguish ourselves from others who claim to be

Christian, but are behaving and living in ways that Gives us a bad

reputation.

It's got to be.

But yeah,

you want

to be.

You have two chapters that are Involved in peacemaking

and one is a time to resist and the other is a time to bind up.

If you could explain.

Examples that are not the

occupation the 40s and

Pretty much look the other

way.

Didn't

resist.

On their blood

a lot would be Bonhoeffer but

one of my

favorite.

And

they

think

temptation making

a time to bind up a time to

participate

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go

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on a

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scale.

And we're going

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arns.

And if you just tuned us in our guest today for the final hour of the program is William Edgar.

He is a professor of apologetics at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia

and an accomplished jazz pianist.

And we are discussing his book today.

Does Christianity really work if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for William Edgar?

Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

And by the way a guest that I had on yesterday William Craig Beal Extends his greetings to

you.

Yeah, he was also an excellent interview.

It was the first time I ever had him on the program yesterday to discuss his book the box.

Very good book That you actually endorsed.

Um Healthcare is something social reform and health care are things that

Set Christianity apart from many if not most of the

world religions.

And some even today even some professing Christians wrongly are

placing too much of the the role of

Providing these things in the hands of the government where Christ Church was really supposed to be

Known for these kinds of things, but if you could explain about those two chapters and

In addition to a response to what I said.

Sure,

what

including what the church

of these social organizations and when it

does

the government begins to Impose rules and laws and even views of humanity that

aren't going to be strictly Faithful to scripture

while we appreciate government support.

We want the primary impetus to

come wonderful

Examples of

concern about the human body state

of a

Christian

who now

they made

him

an innovator.

He published a book called the method of in 1666 and

He had to do diagnosis

and venereal

disease

distinguishing it from me was the use of and

he did all of this

because deeply about You and

being

Opium he said of all the remedies it has pleased Almighty God to give man to

relieve his suffering.

None is so universal.

He cared about pain relief as well as

Examples of people who've given

their

life the

humanists

have been able to make some of their accomplishments.

Maybe that's going to change.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says how do you respond to

those?

Outside of Christendom and Perhaps even those who claim to be Christian but from a

liberal bent.

Who will blame Christianity from some of the horrors of history?

Like the Inquisition the Crusades and even they will throw in the Nazis.

How do we set apart?

Genuine historic Christianity from these atrocities that have taken place throughout the centuries.

Christianity that are rep examples he gave.

Second it's very important to say that some of those are highly

Inquisition or anything, but you know.

The Inquisition started as a as a way just to be in

the church and I went to excesses and was awful in the end.

But um really horrific.

Grotesque excesses.

You think of.

They do.

And Crusades

are very complex.

Christians

locally.

We're asking.

And then

Nazis.

It had nothing to do with Christianity.

It was a pagan barbaric

going back to ancient.

Differentiated

from second.

I would say we have to

admit to

the church had

in the

Of slavery

could be

justified.

I think there's been.

Antisemitism is

one

thing

to do.

Apologize

the

Galen.

A

second

had a

network of

catching

the

disease.

But that

I like to

give examples

of.

Mention that are

yes, and

I'd

like to.

Give a Bit of a tribute here to a group of Presbyterians in the

southern United States.

That were the first denomination from what I understand in the south to oppose

slavery and have integrated Services.

That were the Covenanters the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America.

I have heard that they were In the south the very first denomination to

oppose slavery at least I'm assuming that statistic may be

within the confines of Biblically Orthodox Christianity because I'm not sure if the Quakers

were any significant presence in the south.

But I have you heard the same thing about the Covenanters?

Yes,

it's

interesting

how.

Today in the 21st century there are liberals and leftists who oppose

Christianity who are far more willing to recognize the fact

that we have to avoid painting Muslims with a broad brush and accusing

them of all being Terrorists or at least terrorists in disguise terrorists in their hearts

and that kind of a thing and yet unwilling to make the differentiation

amongst Christians throughout history who have been in the name

of Christ committing atrocities.

And don't you think this is where we need to distinguish between Christendom

and that which is genuinely Christian because even today we always have had since

the coming of Christ in the manger.

Of course in his incarnation he always existed but ever since is ever since the church

The New Testament Church has arrived on the scene.

There has been.

There have been false professors.

Dynamic

look.

If

you're

gonna

kill God.

Imagine you

can not to

call

all Muslims

terrorists.

Well, we would like to plead with people not to call everybody who goes to church a Christian.

Alright, and.

That has always been the case.

Let's not forget that Judas was a one of the twelve Apostles Chosen by

Christ himself.

That's right.

Jesus said it would have been better for him never but never to have been born.

The.

You bring up the quandary of unanswered prayer and I have heard very tragic and sad

stories of people Abandoning Christianity because they have gone through horrific trials in

this life.

Perhaps I don't want to speak glibly, but perhaps the trials that would make anything that I have

suffered through pale into insignificance.

But they have prayed to the Lord fervently.

Cried rivers of tears full and pot prostrate on there on the floor on their knees

crying out to the Lord.

Of.

Begging him to answer prayer and the prayers are unanswered at least in the ways that they are hoping.

They would be if you could explain how this does not nullify.

Christianity

what I

tend to

try

to

be sometimes and

I will be

done.

And.

And he did

have

to drink

wanting to make His son suffer, but if he did not there

would be no love for human beings.

There'll be no.

See

it,

you

know.

That was the back

of the question.

Will be done and

never found out he's the reader knows it.

I need an umpire in the

King James.

You can't

catch.

This is a pastoral issue as

much as a philosophical issue and

There's lots

and lots

in

the

scripture

so many

prophets.

It's always going to be good.

It might not be great.

It'll be good.

And why God was doing then it didn't seem reasonable.

You may not tell us everything but he I'd believe because now I see

you were doing Something far greater than I could have realized and I was just narrowly.

Yes, you have a

chapter in your book staying the course if you could explain further.

I'll

have

about

the strength,

but

he

does give

it

to difficulties even Jesus in his humanity.

Amen, and this is something that is near and dear to my heart besetting sins.

Addiction.

I have revealed to my listeners on many occasions that I am someone who has been

rescued out of the enslavement of alcoholism and went to a Christian

rehab ministry in North Carolina that I Boast about all the

time.

I cannot say enough about Hebron colony ministries in Boone, North Carolina.

Which was actually started by a Presbyterian pastor in the early 1900 actually during World War

two or after World War two, but Tell us something about this this

chapter in your book because it does mean a lot to me this issue and I just

cannot stop thanking God enough.

Nor can I stop thanking those? Christians around me who? helped

To pull me out of this horrible horrible state.

Impossible to

kick never and

the Bible recognizes

that we can't

kick it

ourselves.

We need help.

We need to go to other people.

We be open and.

And also, you know, we may fall

as a

fire

pretty innocently because he had incredible

guided him into a rehab

one more.

Yeah, it's something that

in a previous generation would have been much to him.

I remember my my mother.

Somebody Suggested that she go see she absolutely

people who have you know problems.

They can't handle.

Well, she didn't realize that she had a problem.

She couldn't handle but and it was in that generation.

It was in our generation I think

we're encouraged us that

these things

are common to man.

They're not just my special problem nobody else has

it or deeper things than I would on this but.

You

know get an addiction and if you could summarize is it beyond me your

final chapter?

Yeah, possibly.

Survive

all the

these are

addiction

or

a great deal

on George George

and

I maker is not by.

Think not thou canst weep a tear and my maker is not

nearly and he has suffered.

He's not a distant God as one of my friends says

Christianity's it's a remarkable thing.

Amen, and we're

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That we have been discussing by our guest William Edgar.

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Brother Edgar, do you have any contact information that you care to share with our listeners before we go off the air?

Wts .edu.

Great go to.

Wts .edu go to faculty and look for William Edgar if you could hold on the Phone

for when we go off the air because I want to schedule you for another interview.

Okay, I don't want to thank everybody who listened today.

All of you who wrote questions That were read on the air are getting a free copy of the book that we have been

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And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a

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God bless.