Does the Babylon Bee know the Gospel?

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Welcome to Apologetics Live. We're here to answer your questions and challenges about God and the

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Bible. Meet your hosts from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport, Dr. Anthony Silvestro, and Pastor Justin Pierce.

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We believe that we can answer any question you have about God and the Bible. You doubt that? Well, come on in.

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You say, well, that sounds pretty arrogant of you, Andrew. No, because we believe I don't know is a perfectly good answer.

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So this is Apologetics Live. We're here to answer your questions, challenges, whatever you might have for us. Maybe you got stuck at a question when you were out evangelizing and you didn't know how to answer.

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Well, that's what you come in for. Also, what we do here is try to show different ways of doing apologetics.

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So we will get into discussions, debates, and therefore explain why we do what we do sometimes in those things.

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Now, today what we're going to do is, as you see in the title, the question today that we want to answer is, does

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Babylon be know the gospel? It seems kind of strange. I mean, they're a

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Christian organization, Andrew. Why in the world are you asking that? Well, I'm asking that because Ray Comfort put out a video that played a clip from a episode that Babylon Bee had on their podcast with Elon Musk, the richest man in the world right now.

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And Ray pointed out some things in that. It kind of triggered Justin Peters.

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He saw that. He called Ray, talked to him, said, wow, can't believe this. Justin went out and put out a longer video and saying some of the things he saw.

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And I saw what Justin did and looked at what Ray did, talked to Justin and said,

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I got to get a copy of this and have us discuss this. We're going to have another clip that we'll play later on.

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Hopefully we've got a packed show for you tonight, even though I am hostless, co -hostless,

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I should say. I'm the only one here. The others didn't make it. Anthony is back in Florida.

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And so he's getting in late. And Pastor Justin is in school.

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He's got a class tonight. Justin Peters is busy getting ready. He is going to be speaking at Kootenai Community Church this weekend.

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So he is doing a seminar there. So with that, but we still have a very packed show for you.

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We have, we're going to look at a video from J .D. Greer that if there's some of you,

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I know that years ago when I said that J .D. Greer was on a woke bent, a more liberal path and people thought

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I was crazy. Well, I don't think you're going to think that after tonight.

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I'm just saying. But before before we get to that, I got it. I want to talk to a couple of things that I want to mention.

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I got an interesting thing now. Now, folks, I hope this becomes an idea for you. I got a letter.

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Now check this out. A handwritten letter. The envelope just said to the

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Rappaport family had my address on it. It is signed by your neighbor.

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Doesn't have the guts to say who they are. They really should. But here's the idea. You know, it starts off saying this pandemic has definitely affected many people around the world.

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And caused much suffering. Now, here's let me give you a suggestion. If you guys try and do something like this, the penmanship looks really good, but make sure you can read the words.

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It doesn't matter if it looks fancy. It matters if it could be read. But this person sent a letter saying that there's a lot of suffering in the world, gave some

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Bible verses to encourage and then said, you will find all the answers on how to view the future in the enclosed track.

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And so here's the enclosed track, how to view the future by JW .org.

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That's right. A Jehovah Witness sent a, well, you can't really call it gospel track because it's not the gospel, but creative idea.

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Now, I think what I would do, and I wish that this person did give me their name and where they're at, because I would have reached out to them and said, let's get together.

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Folks, creative idea to do evangelism. Just handwritten letters are not done very much anymore.

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Just think about how you would, if you got a handwritten letter, you may do like I did and want to read this.

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It took a lot more time to do this and people will spend a little bit more time. Think about you're stuck at home, you don't know what to do.

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Maybe you can write a letter to two people and put in a gospel tract.

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I remember Justin Peters and I were once at a restaurant, neither one of us had a gospel tract on us. Justin took a piece of paper and wrote a gospel message on it for the waitress, because we didn't have something that, you know, we were trying to think of what to give her.

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Well, he left her the gospel in a handwritten gospel tract. So that is something you could do just to encourage you guys with that.

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So I also wanted to show off something or review something that I recently got.

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This is a, if I hold this up, this is called a Samsung Freestyle.

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Now, I want you to look at the size of this, you can see compared to, it's about the size of my, a little bit smaller than my head, right?

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Hands width. So this right here is the coolest projector.

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You can see there it has the screen. It's circular. This here is the speaker.

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This is like a built -in TV. It does, it has a smart TV, does high definition

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TV. The speaker surprised me how loud it was. We got this at the ministry.

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We were asked to review this. We're looking to use this for the ability to go into churches.

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As many of you know at Striving for Eternity, we go into small churches that can't afford to have speakers come in and pay for big speakers coming in and doing seminars for them at their church.

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Well, we come into those churches. Well, a lot of times those churches don't have projectors or equipment.

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Maybe that you can't hook up your computer to the, to their sound system and still have your computer up front.

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This thing, as small as it is, okay, projects basically a 100 inch high def

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TV. And the speaker, I put it at one end of my house, turned it up loud, walked to the other end of the house,

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I could hear it fine. This was, this is basically as good as the TVs in my house. I said, if I didn't have a

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TV in my house, I told my bride, I would just take this and just, I have a

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TV in every room now. I just could project it anywhere. Connects to the, to the Wi -Fi. I did,

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I have had problems so far connecting to Apple Airplay. So that I haven't figured out how to work.

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It has an ability to put a micro HDMI, so I'm getting that cable.

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The other thing that it has, which is kind of neat for anyone who's, I was talking to Brian Nine, he's, he's with Hearts for the

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Lost Ministries, and they similar go into a lot of churches. And I told him about this because the neat thing with this is, you know, it not only has a cable so that I can connect directly to my laptop, but the other thing that's really neat with it, it has

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Wi -Fi direct. So in other words, when this is on, I could, from my computer, connect to the

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Wi -Fi on this, and I'm the only thing connected to that. I don't need the internet at that point. I just need my, whatever

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I'm projecting, my PowerPoint to be able to go over to there. Really cool. It's, no,

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I'm going to tell you, it's not a cheap thing. I, for full disclosure, I got it for free to do a review and to check it out.

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I have, I'm going to be writing a review, both the positive and negative. I mean, one negative that I found so far, and remember, this is a test model.

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This is still pre -order. You can't get these yet, but you can go to Samsung, look up Freestyle and Warm. They're about $900.

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But the neat thing about it is just the size of it, the level of the high definition.

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I had problems, as I said, with the Apple AirPlay, and I also had some problems. As some of you may know,

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I have a background in cybersecurity. I am very tight on my network. I don't let a lot of things through.

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This does not work on WPA3. Now, some of you are going, what in the world is that? That is the latest technology for your routers, and so that's something that I'll let them know.

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It doesn't quite work with that. It would be good if it had an optical output connector so that I would be able to connect this and run the audio through something else.

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But if those of you who are in ministry, those of you who maybe are in travel like I do to a lot of different churches where they may not have a big setup and may not have audio video, this

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I can travel with easily. This is a TV in a hand. It really is because it goes on any wall.

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I tried it on several walls in the house, some darker, some lighter, looked great on all of them. So now

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Brett Lynn says, hey, I'm here. You can start the show. We were just waiting for Brett Lynn to appear.

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Brett, you should actually just come on in here since I don't have any co -hosts, and we could chat.

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So let's see. I had a couple other things in the news section here.

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We got some stuff in the news. Actually, what I'll do is I'm just going to share my screen here so you could see the news as I'll read it to you because there were some interesting things in the news here.

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So right here is the first. Top New Hampshire conservative targeted by child services for what?

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For giving his son ivermectin. Yes, his son got covid and gave him ivermectin.

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And two weeks later, child services came to the house to take his children away.

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And now he's fighting to keep his children for what? For giving him a drug that has been approved by the

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FDA for what, like 30 years? And and what they're upset with is he hasn't given him a vaccine that is not even approved by the

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FDA. So it's just very interesting. So so let's see.

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Brett says he's a I don't know how to do that. Well, Brett, you'd go to ApologeticsLive .com,

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click on the stream yard link and join us. B, I'm sweaty from kickboxing. We want to see evidence of that.

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Just saying we don't believe you because I know you do jujitsu, not kickboxing.

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That's the kids who do the kickboxing anyway. Else in the news, I want to point out some other articles that we saw here.

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Now, this one should make us happy. This for many people, this might be exciting for them. Supreme Court blocks business vaccine rule declines to the stay health care worker mandate.

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So for many people who work for a company that's larger than 100 employees that have been mandated by by OSHA to get the vaccine, that is not legal.

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OSHA has no authority to do to do that. Now, least you say, well, that's good.

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That's good. You think that was what this was all about. This was all about trying to get people vaccinated. Well, it did work to that extent.

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Many people got vaccinated, but that's not all. You see, here's the other thing that we see in the news.

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Federal agency to compile a list of employees who seek religious exemptions from COVID -19 vaccine mandate.

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You want to know what the vaccine mandate really was about? It's a couple of things. One, the vaccines, what that ends up doing is it will create you end up having more people because you have a 251 viral load when you get the vaccine.

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So those are the super spreaders. But here's what it was about, folks. They wanted to get a list of the people who will not comply.

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And those employers that asked you to fill out religious exemptions. Well, they're now handing that over to the government.

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Now, why is it the government's information to know my health care? There's HIPAA laws against that. But that's

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OK. This isn't what it matters anymore. Right. So as we look at this, just some things

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I thought interesting. I will also before we get started, is we have this week, this

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Sunday, from when we're watching on the January 16th, many churches around the world.

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I started in Canada. If you listen to my rap report podcast, you should be.

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If you're not listening to the rap report, what is wrong with you? You should be. But the reality is, if you haven't seen it, we talked about the fact that up in Canada they passed a bill that makes it illegal to do conversion therapy.

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What's conversion therapy? Conversion therapy is trying to convince someone out of homosexuality or trying to convince them out of being gender fluid.

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That's the idea what this is. Now, it only goes one way. You're perfectly allowed to convert someone to homosexuality or gender fluidity, but you can't convince them.

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You can't talk to them that there's only two genders or that there's heterosexuality. That's illegal now. That is now a criminal offense, and we are as surprised as we should be by that.

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We shouldn't be, but that's coming here to America. That'll be here shortly. Nathaniel Jolly had posted this, and I said this to say,

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I will be with many other pastors in America, in Canada, and elsewhere that will be preaching this weekend on the issue of a biblical view of sexual morality.

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Now, you say, well, that's only up in Canada. Really? Well, Nathaniel Jolly from the

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Truth Be Known podcast, which you can find at the Christian Podcast Community. Just go to ChristianPodcastCommunity .org,

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and you can find his Truth Be Known podcast. He posted this on Twitter.

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According to this LGBT website, there are 20 states with laws banning minor conversion therapy in the

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U .S. Now, in Canada, it's everywhere. By the way, the Canada law will say that if you have a son and you try to tell your son who thinks he's a girl that he's actually a boy, you could be arrested.

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You are under a criminal offense. That's what's going on in Canada. Well, right now, in Canada, as far as I know, doesn't have an age limit on that, but right now what we see here in America is we have 20 states that have a ban.

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You're not allowed to tell a minor about heterosexuality and that homosexuality is wrong.

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If they think they're—now, think about this. Let's think through this. You have someone who is not—we don't say that they're old enough to smoke, to drink, to vote, or to fight in a war because they're not mature enough, but they can make huge decisions like whether they're a boy or a girl and what their sexual preference is, as like six -year -olds and five -year -olds.

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It's gone crazy. Now, this is 20 of the states. Guess what? Five of the states have a partial ban.

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Now, I do find it interesting that you could figure out very quickly which of these states currently—I looked this up—out of all the states that are run by Democrats right now, four of them do not have a ban, partial or full, on conversion therapy in America.

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Seven, where we have Republican governors, do. So, we have 25 states that have some form of ban on conversion therapy.

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That, to me, is mind -boggling. So, what we want to do tonight is

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I wanted to look at some clips here from, let's see, from Babylon B.

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And again, folks, if you want to come in, I'm all by myself. I'd love for folks to come in and ask me questions. We will have a lot to go over here with Babylon B, but I do want to to go over it, you know.

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So, let's take a look at this video, and I'm gonna take a look at some clips.

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Now, here's the thing. Look, folks, I do a lot of podcasting. You know that.

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This show, I don't know if you all know that this show becomes a podcast. So, you can go to ChristianPodcastCommunity .org.

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You can find the podcast. You can find all the—the Christian Podcast Community is a ministry of striving for eternity, so you could check those out.

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You'll see my podcast, The Wrap Report, this one. I have So You Want to Be a Podcaster. I have stopped doing the daily one that I used to do, but—and then we have a

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Theology Throwdown. So, I have five podcasts, if you can't get enough of me. I mean, really.

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But what I want to do is I want to explain something. As a podcaster, there's things that you do.

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Now, if you get a guy like Elon Musk on your podcast, you're doing a video, you have him in studio.

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As far as I could tell, I'm not sure if he was in their studio or not.

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The reason I say that is I've watched the entire interview. They mentioned going to Texas to see him, so I wasn't sure because they thanked him for coming in to them.

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There were a lot of their folks there, but it could just be that they got a place to set up and he came to wherever they set up.

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I'm not sure. But what we end up seeing is that there was definitely some things you want to do when you are getting a big -name person in.

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If you're gonna get a big -name person in to your podcast, you got to treat it well.

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Now, why am I saying that? Because I'm gonna show you. These guys didn't know their guest, okay?

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They were clueless. I'm not saying that to be derogatory. I love a lot of the stuff that Babylon Bee does, but they're satirical, they're comedy.

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As you're gonna see, Elon Musk wasn't like that. If you watch this whole thing, he was not...

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even though he says he likes Saturday Night Live and he liked The Onion, which is satire, but he doesn't like that they went all liberal bent.

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He likes, it seems, listening or reading humor. He was not picking up the humor.

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I'm gonna show you clips. He was almost, it seems, bothered by trying to have a serious conversation and just being interrupted with jokes that showed that they weren't really listening or caring.

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It didn't seem like they were caring about what he was trying to say. He was trying to raise some pretty big issues that I actually thought he had some really, really good points on just a way we view energy in the world, renewable energy and things like that.

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But here's a clip I want to start with where what you're gonna hear them do is they're gonna actually ask him, what are we doing here?

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They, in the first 20 some minutes of this, okay, 20, 28 minutes, they were, he was actually started asking them questions and they said, oh, we like that.

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We like, you know, like, we like us being interviewed. And it's like, no, you have someone in here for what he has to offer.

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They started off talking a lot about themselves and it looked like what they did was get a lot of tweets that he had tweeted and that was their, their show prep.

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You get a guy like this, you have an agenda, you have a plan. Just listen to this.

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I think on that topic, I mean, the question that I just like, really, I mean, I feel so unqualified to be interviewing you right now.

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I think we all do. Why are we here? Like what, what are you doing? I don't want to ask.

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I don't want to ask for the podcast. You guys said, just to be clear, I'm not pushing the podcast on you.

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You guys came here. Okay. So like you look at the look on his face and he's just like, what is going on here?

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I mean, you guys invited me here. You're the ones that wanted me here. And it's as if he just really didn't know what he was doing there.

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And you should have a plan. When you, when you're going to do a podcast, you should have a plan. And this is the thing, you know, they're, they bring up some serious, he's bringing up some serious topics.

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And, and I want to show you this just to, to, to show, you know, what ends up happening here is, and Melissa is saying here, let's see.

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I agree. The host of the Babylon Bee didn't listen to Elon at all. It was an awful interview.

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They missed an opportunity to really share the gospel with him. It was a real shame. Well, we'll get to that in a little bit and see.

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And, you know, I find the Babylon Bee to be really funny. I, you know, I knew of, you know,

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Adam Ford who started it. This, this guy that you could see on screen, I'm trying to remember his name,

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Kyle. Give me a second. I'll remember his last name, but he went to Masters University.

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So it's not like he's someone who is, you know, that didn't have a good training.

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Kyle Mann is his name. And so he was someone who, he has, he's in solid

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Christian circles. He was a co -pastor of a church. And so I have higher expectations.

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And sorry, it's the, it's the guy with the black beard there on the, on the left, the one with the, I don't know, it's the,

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I don't know what that is on his shirt, but he's the only one of the, the, the guys that has a green and yellow picture on his shirt.

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But Kyle, Kyle, you know, is someone who used to be a pastor, goes to a, you know, goes to a, you know, at least is involved in, in solid circles or was at least for school.

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These guys, as far as I know, were, they're aware of solid people. They, they, you know, seem to promote guys like MacArthur and Vodibachum, things like that.

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So it seems that they're in good circles, but this interview,

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I want to show you this. This is where Elon Musk is actually going to, I think he got awkward in this and he, he was just talking about a serious topic of the metaverse and he's, they, they brought up the question for folks who don't know the metaverse.

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It's this, this thing where you, you know, everyone's going to be living in a virtual reality. You're going to have goggles on, you're not actually going to go out, you're going to do everything.

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They have virtual shopping now where you go into a store and it walks you around in a, in a, you know, as if you're in a store on this metaverse, just go to the

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He, he explained some serious stuff here and they just weren't listening.

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And he actually just breaks out into like this awkward ad for the, for the drink that he's drinking and just, just watch his face and see, see how he just suddenly breaks out.

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Like, what are we doing here? I'll just do an ad. But it's just like, the way the metaverse is being sold right now is so underwhelming.

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It's like, you're going to be in, it's like zoom meetings, but there's an avatar for the person next to you, you know, and you maybe get to design your avatar.

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Like I said, I don't, I don't want to be like, you know, some old, some old codger sort of dismissing the internet in 95 is not amounting to anything.

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So there's some danger that that's the case, but, uh, I currently am unable to see a compelling metaverse situation.

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Um, or web three sounds like more marketing than reality. I don't get it.

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You know, maybe I will, but I don't get it yet. It's definitely not monkeys playing pong.

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Let's just put it that way. I just like to advertise for white. Yeah. Real men drink white.

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So, you know, they're talking, he's talking all serious and, and he's been doing this now throughout this interview.

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And all of a sudden they want to talk about monkeys playing pong. Now the monkeys playing pong has to do with the fact that, uh, he he's been working on something to train monkeys to play, uh, video games, uh, play pong.

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And so, um, that's, that's what that was about. Now, when you, when, with that, what ends up happening is, you know, when you're in a

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You got a guy like this. I mean, this, he is the richest man in the world and you know, you have him come, you have him on your show and you're going to make a joke when he's talking serious.

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That's, that's not a wise thing to do. Um, now let me, uh, let me bring in a friend of mine here.

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Mr. Brett Lynn. How are you? What's up? Can you hear me? That's weird.

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Let me see why. Hold on. I'm hearing you through the wrong audio. That's weird.

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There we go. I hope you can hear me. Yes. How are you doing? Pretty good.

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So this is, you don't look, you don't look like you were really doing kickboxing. I'm just saying for the record, you got cleaned up.

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Yeah. I still have my, uh, yeah, shirt on underneath.

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I have an Under Armour shirt on underneath too. Does that mean that I was kickboxing? Seriously? So, uh, this, this next one,

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I know you came in at a perfect time cause I think this next clip is going to trigger you. Oh, great. I love being triggered.

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I think so. So, uh, Brett, Brett is a worship pastor down at Grace Fellowship Church of Levittown, Pennsylvania.

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Uh, not far from me. And so, um, so you ready to get triggered? Yeah. You want to be triggered.

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Here you go. Um, this next clip is, you know, now

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I want to, I'm going to preface this Brett for you. These three guys claim to be Christians on a

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Christian ministry. And you get a guy that mentions, you know, here, like, you know what it's like, you're an evangelist.

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You do lots of evangelism. Don't you look for the opportunity when someone gives you some way to start talking about spiritual things?

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I mean, they're talking about metaverse. They're talking about all these other things. And all of a sudden you get a chance to talk about Noah.

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Don't you think that's a great time to change the conversation and try to get it to the gospel, right?

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And I actually think that's kind of what Musk was expecting. Like, I think he was expecting some kind of level of that conversation to be happening.

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Yeah. If you watch this whole interview, the thing that got me is, you know, I actually think that Elon Musk was the one trying to promote spiritual conversations more than, than these guys.

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Yeah. Yep. I mean, you know, they were probably star struck and that could be, and this is one of the things, look, if you're doing, you know, if you're doing a podcast, you're doing a show.

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Yeah. You get a big star in, but you still have to be a professional about what you're doing. And if you're a

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Christian, look, so you have Elon Musk in your studio. He's someone who needs the gospel.

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Like, I don't know, granted, I'm not pop culture savvy. So like I've witnessed to a lot of, yeah, you've noticed that I've witnessed to movie stars and, and football players and baseball players.

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And I have no idea who they are, but probably a good thing. Yeah. So, but, but I want you to listen when they start talking about Noah.

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And what I want to do is I want you. And the reason I'm taking this time folks is because I, you know, we obviously can't play the whole one hour and 40 minute video, but I'm playing clips.

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So you see there's, there's some real problems I'm seeing with the way they conducted the interview and here, they're going to talk about Noah and watch who brings it up.

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And then I want you to, to watch and listen to the reaction from the guys from Babylon B. They can't build spaceship.

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So, you know, we're, we're in effect, the steward of life. And we can make a, we can make

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Mars like a, you know, another planet with life on it. You know, it is, you know it's probably a dangerous analogy to use, but it's a bit like Noah's ark, but you know, we'd bring more than two, two of every creature because it's a little incestuous, frankly.

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I mean, how does this work? And did he hit the dinosaurs?

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Like what's it like? Wow. Now here you figure it's a great opportunity to correct him on what

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Noah's Ark was a great opportunity to discuss the purpose of Noah's Ark.

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And, and let's see if that, that correction occurs. I mean, because was it incestuous?

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You could get a slow pitch, right? I mean, you got a guy he's talking about things.

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He's talking about metaverses. He's talking about being able to populate the science it would take to populate

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Mars. And that's a great opportunity to say, well, let's talk genetics. Let's talk about why it's why incest is wrong.

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Now that we have genetic entropy and our, and the genes because of reproduction, reproduction, reproduction, we don't have as wide of a gene pool and we keep losing information.

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And that's the reason we don't marry and have children with people that are close relatives to us because of the genetic entropy, because of the fact that we, the genes break down, it'd be a great opportunity to do that.

31:54

Do they do that? Let's listen. It's like pro -incest battle dinosaurs.

32:01

I don't get it. And it would have to be a very big book. So, but, but there's, you know, there's a metaphor of that.

32:07

So, you know, so anyway, so like this, there's some, some risk, especially over a long period of time.

32:14

Did you guys all hear that correction? Yeah. No. Yeah, no, there was. And it's weird because Elon must have pretty awkward guy anyway.

32:25

And these guys are all, comedians and writers and stuff like that. Maybe they might be socially awkward too, who knows.

32:33

But, but, but he's not the kind of guy that you, you couldn't have a conversation with, like a normal conversation with, and probably like run all over him.

32:44

Even though it's like a brilliant, brilliant dude, but. He's super brilliant. And I'll get to it later,

32:51

Brett, but I really think one of the things with it is I think these guys, one of the points

32:56

I'll show, I think they were just like, what in the world is he saying? I just think he was so over them, like just speaking right over them.

33:06

Yeah. They had no idea. I really think that was the case for a lot of this.

33:13

Yeah. And I, I didn't actually get to this part of the interview because by the time the one fellow was like, what are we even doing?

33:21

I was, I kind of turned it off because I thought it was really kind of awkward and embarrassing.

33:28

Even though it, it started out half decent with our conversation, but yeah, goodness, it's

33:35

Elon Musk. It's a, what an opportunity. I mean, the guy's incredibly influential and he's sitting there in your lap, you know, ready for you to, to share something with him.

33:45

And this is like an incredibly rare experience really for him. I mean, he's rubbing elbows with people, probably scientists, probably a lot of like humanists, atheists and stuff.

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Joe Rogan, you know, people like that. And not a lot of Christian influence from any of those people.

34:09

And here these guys are, it's like, these guys have become like thrust into the spotlight a little bit.

34:16

Like the, the news is talking about the Babylon B and, and so they've kind of become celebrities in their, in their own right.

34:24

Just because of how much success they've had with the Babylon B, which, you know, God bless them.

34:29

I mean, they've done some incredibly hilarious stuff and it's really kind of changed the, the, the face of comedy where it's like, it's not just the onion running satire anymore.

34:40

It's not just the late night TV shows doing things. But there's like a lot of humor that they've brought into this.

34:48

And a lot of, you know, even inside baseball jokes for Christians are like, you know, we can laugh at ourselves a little bit and some of the silly things like, you know, joking about potluck dinners and things, things like that.

35:02

But, but all that's put them in this position where they can talk to the guy who, who might be in the, in the grand scheme of things in, on the planet right now,

35:14

Elon Musk might be one of the guys that is actually on our side as far as not being in bed with all the lizard people.

35:26

I don't know all the, all the weird, um, um, economic forum people and, and, and, uh, what, what's the big, uh, the big economic summit and stuff.

35:37

Uh, well, the thing is that he's, he's not, he's, he's not being woke is really what it comes down to.

35:44

You don't have any of these, these wealthy guys that are, that we can say that about.

35:50

And I think that's, that's a point that, you know, look, he doesn't mix very often.

35:57

I'm guessing with Christians, this was for Babylon B, this was your opportunity to share the gospel.

36:05

And, and I'm going to, I'm going to, this next clip is, you know, it bothered me when

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Elon brought up Noah and nothing was done, right.

36:17

It bothered me. This next clip actually upset me. And now if you saw

36:23

Justin Peter's video, you'll, you've seen the ending, but this is why I want to go through this in detail because you know, this, there, there's some things that really bothered me in it.

36:32

Uh, and I, I think it's going to bother you. Um, let's say, let's take a listen at this point, this is a 58 minutes and 47 seconds spot.

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And you know, there is a Bible verse that comes up with this before we, we, we play it.

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I'm just going to read from scripture a little bit. So let me, let me do that.

36:56

Uh, and look at what we have here in Ephesians chapter five. Um, it would have been good if I had just had this up and, and ready, but, uh, this is not coming up right.

37:15

Uh, what I'm looking for is about the crude jesting is this way worded in King James or coarse jesting.

37:25

Um, uh, okay, well,

37:30

I would just paraphrase it rather than, uh, but there, there's several things that we end up seeing that we shouldn't be doing.

37:38

One of them being, uh, we shouldn't be coarse jesting and the idea or, or, or giving coarse jokes and what coarse jokes, some people, unfortunately, when they, when they look at that, they think of, um,

37:51

Ephesians five, four, is it five, four? Is it? Okay. Yeah, there we go.

37:57

And I knew it was Ephesians five. I just couldn't find it. Okay. So here in verse three, but immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you as is proper, uh, for, uh, as is proper among saints.

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And there must not, and there must be no filthiness and silly talk or coarse jesting, which is not fitting, but rather giving thanks.

38:24

So, so we have three things, filthiness and silly talk or coarse jesting.

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Now, what you end up seeing is all three of these have to do in the sexual realm, immorality, immorality.

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And so the filthiness, the, the, uh, coarse jesting is the idea of this is the sexual innuendos that people do.

38:48

Okay. The, the filthy talk. That's what course jesting is. Uh, it it's, it's something that should not, as we see here in scripture, it shouldn't be named among the saints.

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Okay. Now watch this clip after hearing what scripture says. Okay. Well, my dad very much enjoyed that answer.

39:09

I'm sure. I think as a male feminist, the one thing about the rockets is phallic symbology.

39:17

What would it take to get some more vaginal shaped rockets? Just, you know, equality.

39:27

Now, before he tries to answer, I mean, I wanted to play that to, so how awkward is he?

39:34

Yeah. I mean, I mean, the fact that, that this guy brings that question up that has no place, no place.

39:44

Let me be really clear. No place in Christian discussion that he he's talking about rocket ships and this guy is going to make a crude course jesting type joke.

39:57

I mean, he thinks he's funny and notice all the other Babylon B guys, they're laughing at that.

40:02

You know, who wasn't laughing? Elon Musk. Elon Musk. You know, here's the thing.

40:08

What is Elon Musk think of these guys here? I mean, you looked at this and if you watch, if you watch it, he looks uncomfortable with it.

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And, and he's, you know, if you, you know, I'm going to play a little bit of this just to show he is trying to be serious.

40:23

Now in this one hour, they've been talking to him. They still been over an hour and a half that they're going to talk with him one hour.

40:31

And they still haven't figured out that he's not there to joke around and they continue to try it.

40:39

Know your audience and know that like they should have stopped. Yeah. Okay.

40:44

They just, he's going to actually go on to try to answer this in a serious way.

40:50

At that point they should have realized he's not, he's, he's being serious.

40:57

He wants to have serious discussion, but I mean, Brett, your thoughts. Well, I mean, should this be

41:04

Elon Musk on with a comedian was when he was on with Joe Rogan and their conversation was pretty straight.

41:15

I mean, it was, it was pretty technical and Joe just kind of let him explain things and he'd have questions and, but, you know,

41:24

Joe's been doing that for a long time and knows how to get his guests to talk.

41:31

And, and these guys are looking to kind of, you know, rub elbows with Elon Musk and, and throw some jokes out there and try to make themselves look good when really their goal and having a guest on is to make the guest look good and let the guest explain what's going on.

41:49

And even if, if Elon's going to crack a joke, you know, more the better if, if they're, if they have a comedy program or something, that's, that's just fine.

41:59

But to take it where, you know, if, even if it was a secular program, let, let him be the one who takes it in a direction and don't, don't push it in a direction and make the guests uncomfortable like that.

42:16

Like they were pushing the envelope on Elon Musk. He brought up the incest with Noah's Ark.

42:24

That should have been corrected, but he brought that up. Right. The thing I have with this is they're the ones bringing this up and you hit on something

42:31

I was going to get to later, but this was the thing that I had seen watching this.

42:37

I think they did this. It was all about them. So let me, let me kind of correct.

42:43

You know, when I have someone on my podcast, I have a guest on my podcast. It's for my audience.

42:49

I, I, I'm very picky on who I have guests on, but I'm, I bring a guest on for what my guests can offer to my audience.

42:57

Right. The guest is not there for me. The show is not about me. It's, it's about that guest.

43:06

And I'm going to try to come up with questions and do research to ask this person good questions. I want to try to draw something out that others haven't asked.

43:14

You know, um, when I had Kevin Sorbo on my podcast, I ran into him. It's one of the few times

43:19

I actually recognized, uh, an actor because of God. I saw him in, uh,

43:25

God is not dead. And, uh, I thought you were going to say Hercules, but I guess I didn't know that too. I watched it as a kid.

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And, and, uh, I remember, you know, I said, I, I was in the airport and I said to my wife, I'm like, I think that's

43:35

Kevin Sorbo. And we, as we looked it up and she was like, I think it is. And so so I walked over and we had a great conversation.

43:42

We, we, it turns out we have some mutual friends. Um, and so we, you know, we had, we had talked and, uh, he came on, well, you know what?

43:50

I did research on it. And what did I do? You know, I wanted to draw out from him some things. And he told me after, like,

43:55

I asked some things people don't usually ask him and you know, about how he met his wife and some things. And he, he appreciated that you want to get someone to come in.

44:03

That's a and, and talk about something they're going to offer to your audience.

44:09

Okay. Now I'm going to, I promised I'd let, let you hear what Elon trying to answer this, but, um, here's, here's

44:16

Elon, uh, trying to answer their foolish. And what I would say inappropriate question that Ephesians five would say is not proper for saints.

44:27

Uh, he tries to answer it seriously. Can we make that aerodynamics and hydrodynamics?

44:38

Okay. Do you see that? They realize he's, he's talking aerodynamics.

44:44

He's got, he's going to try to explain why that's not possible. And they're just laughing. Now put yourself in Elon Musk's shoes.

44:52

Who, who are they laughing at? I do that all the time. I put myself in Elon Musk's shoes. Yeah. I asked myself, what would

44:59

I do? I wouldn't mind putting myself in like his car and house.

45:07

You know, I'm sure he has drives a Tesla. Um, but, but you know, these guys are laughing and he's trying to be serious.

45:15

And they, even the CEO, who's the guy all the way to the right there, he recognized, Oh, he's going to try and give a serious answer.

45:20

Okay. So at this point you should have realized he's giving serious answers to all of your foolishness.

45:26

Get serious. You, you mentioned Joe Rogan. I didn't listen to Joe Rogan's thing, but Joe Rogan's a comedian, but he doesn't, everything's not a joke to him.

45:34

Right. And that's where it's going to be different. Joe, Joe Rogan's going to have a serious interview and start asking serious questions and engage with those questions.

45:42

And that's, that's what they weren't doing. They were not engaging with what he was actually saying. And I think that it bothered him.

45:50

It's your seat too. You know, what I bet is that when it comes to the

45:56

Babylon Bee, there actually are some serious issues around the Babylon Bee. One of them being like censorship.

46:04

Um, they they've been, um, had to deal with issues pertaining to, um, lawsuits and different things when it comes to Facebook or people telling them like, oh, you know, um, uh, you're, you're, you're spreading false information and you're fake news and, and, and all those things.

46:22

So, and I, and I think like that's kind of what Elon Musk, uh, kind of knows the

46:31

Babylon Bee for, you know, uh, their, their, their political commentary on things that they do in a satirical way.

46:39

So they're usually making light of very serious, uh, news, news stories and, and they're, they're making good points about those news stories through humor and satire.

46:54

And so it's possible that he was thinking like, there must be something behind this humor that we're going to get to the facade of the satire to like the nuts and bolts of like, how did you guys, how are you, how are you so good at seeing the absurdity that's coming down the road?

47:12

Um, missing the point here. And they, and they didn't like, they just didn't get there. Well, you know, Chris, Chris Hough from Matter of Theology, another

47:19

Christian podcast community member says the sexual joking and innuendo has to, has been normalized in certain fractions of reformed culture.

47:28

Brothers and sisters, this should not be so. I agree with them. You know, uh, Brent here, Meyers says, uh, these guys are immature little children.

47:35

They remind me of middle high school boys, youth group. And, and you know, he's right.

47:42

Uh, the, the reality that I look, we're, we're now, um, let me put it back on, on, we're, we're now one hour and 20 minutes into a one hour and almost 40 minute interview.

47:55

Okay. One hour, 20 minutes in they're finally going to get to Christianity. We think, okay,

48:02

I'm going to play a couple of the questions. They have 10 questions. They ask every guest. They said that this is now their thing.

48:07

Every, every question, um, you know, every guest gets these 10 questions.

48:13

Well, here's the question I'd have is, is Elon Musk your average guest?

48:20

I mean, is he the guy who you usually interview? Is he the one that's usually in here? And you're, you're asking these questions.

48:27

Why do I say that? I want you to listen to the questions. They ask Elon Musk, a non -Christian who needs the gospel.

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And these are the questions they want to ask him. It was the highest. It was like $9 ,999 a month or so, but people were signing up for it.

48:43

People were actually signing up for it though. Every time I would check, I'd be like, is it him? Is it him? It was random people who picked it thinking it was a joke.

48:48

And it was actually charging their credit cards. We had all these angry people are like, my wife is going to kill me if you don't refund.

48:55

Okay. I did it too early, but that's them talking about a tier level of support that they did for Elon Musk, uh, to try to get him in.

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So I put it really high thinking that, uh, that he will, that he would, no one would do it.

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And they found out actual people were doing it, but we'll get to their questions. So we had to take the

49:15

Elon Musk tier down. So we took it down, I guess, before you could, before you could find it, but it was there.

49:21

We had it there for you. So, well, thanks. I guess that's a compliment. Do you see how awkward he, he, it's a compliment.

49:29

I think he's like looking in the, in the, you know, his eyes up in the air, like, uh, the look on his face there was like, you know, the, the, what in the world am

49:40

I doing here? Look, let me back it up. And you know, look at that. That is a, what is this interview over?

49:48

Okay. Yeah. You know, he he's that that's what that is, but let's get to their questions.

49:59

All right. Well, shall we land the plane here with the 10 questions?

50:07

So we, uh, this is a podcast started in Kyle's garage. We ask every guest the same 10 questions at the end of the interview.

50:15

We never anticipated we would be asking Elon Musk these 10 questions. These are rapid fire.

50:20

So you can answer them as quickly. So I'm going to just say again, at that point, they should have said, maybe we don't do these 10 questions.

50:30

Yeah. They didn't, they didn't know they were going to do that. Like, I don't know. They know he's not a believer. So listen to their first question.

50:37

Yeah. Or you can go on forever. Your call. Have you ever met Christian rap artist,

50:42

Carmen? What? Like, okay. Do you, do you expect him to know who, you know,

50:52

Carmen is? That's like super inside baseball. Yeah. I mean, you know, he ends up going like his answer was like, well, uh,

51:00

I, I knew, uh, I knew someone named Carmen who put, you know, uh, you know,

51:06

I saw someone named Carmen who put a fruit on her, on her head and danced around. That was some person from years ago.

51:12

Yeah. I never, I've been, uh, in the church. I grew up in the church and I didn't know who Carmen was until he passed away.

51:19

Yeah. I actually, uh, Carmen came to my university, uh, which was really strange because there was a really small

51:25

Christian group on campus and somehow they got him there. I don't know how. Um, but yeah, that was my first year, but let's, let's listen to more of these questions.

51:36

So free will or predestination. So we had to take the

51:43

Elon Musk tear down. So we took it down, I guess. I mean, the only common musician

51:52

I'm aware of is, um, common Miranda. Uh, you know, she, she would like dance with like a, like a fruit ball on her head.

52:00

Yeah. Um, you never met her? No, she died a while ago.

52:08

Okay. So are you more of a Calvinist or an Arminian? What in the world of the question is that to ask to someone who's not a believer, are you a

52:17

Calvinist or an Arminian? Now I want you to look, he doesn't even know what they're asking right now.

52:25

They're going to try to explain it, but this is just not something he's an unbeliever.

52:30

He needs the gospel not to know whether he's a Calvinist Arminian. Yeah. Or Arminian.

52:36

Yeah. He's thinking from the country versus they're asking this unbeliever, a theological topic that he's not even saved.

52:51

He doesn't even know. Now I'm going to skip to some of the, some of the others because, uh, Brett, some of them were, um, beer or whiskey.

53:00

And he said whiskey. Okay. Um, uh, cigar or pipe.

53:06

And I'm just going, okay, this is the questions they ask every one of their guests. They want every one of their guests to answer whether they, whether they prefer a pipe or a cigar.

53:15

Neither. Yeah. Whiskey or beer. I mean like, so what does that say that they expect?

53:22

Like every Christian is going to, to ask that one question that they had was, um, if you could add one book to the

53:28

Bible, what would it be? Add a book to the Bible? Yeah. Okay.

53:34

And he's like, you know, he didn't even understand what, you know, they're like, oh, book, like your favorite book.

53:39

And he's like, oh, I guess Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know? But they just say, what's your favorite book?

53:45

Yeah, exactly. Um, this is a thing they should know who they're asking questions to.

53:52

They should, these are not questions. Some of them are questions that you don't ask an unbeliever.

53:57

They don't know how to answer. It may, it makes him feel uncomfortable. I think, um. He looked uncomfortable and he's already a pretty awkward dude to begin with.

54:07

Now here's, here's this next one when they talk about, you know, what book to add to the Bible. Um, I was very concerned with this point because he talks about, does anyone actually read the

54:20

Bible? Okay. And, and he's going to go on to say more, but I want you to listen for their speaking up and saying how they read the

54:29

Bible every day. Okay. Listen for it. So if they're outdated, as there are many outdated and unnecessary regulations, uh, but, but, you know, there's, there's a strong forcing function for creating new laws and regulations, but a weak forcing function for getting rid of, of, of, uh, bad laws and regulations.

54:49

Okay. I think I put it too early. And, and, and, and I think that this is just generally a problem as civilization ages without war where.

54:57

I think it was 30, I think it was a minute too soon. Let's try this again. Sorry, folks. Okay, here we go. Let's try it.

55:02

Maybe it, maybe it was one hour and 29 minutes that I meant. Our part, the part of why I moved to Texas, it's just like, there's just fewer strings tying you down.

55:14

Um, so yeah. Um, I, I think like the, the, uh, the value of, of someone just being a very competent executive officer is, um, is under, undervalued in the inter -president, uh, just like how good are you?

55:35

Okay. Hold on. I'm, I have the, I must have the wrong spot because I, I may,

55:40

I just can't remember. I thought it was one hour, 28 minutes, but maybe, maybe not.

55:47

Uh, but basically what he ends up saying is he asked, he, he ends up, Elon Musk says, does anyone read the

55:54

Bible? Um, and, and I wanted you to hear them pipe up and say how often they read the

56:04

Bible. They read it every day that many Christians read the Bible. Uh, I wanted you to hear, to hear if you hear that.

56:13

Um, maybe this was 24 minutes.

56:18

Maybe I'm just trying to read my handwriting. That's, that's my eternal struggle.

56:24

Yeah. Let's try this. He has never updated these questions to like apply.

56:35

No. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to back that up to the question because I want you to like, even the

56:40

CEO realizes like these questions shouldn't be asked of them. Yeah. Yeah. So you get to add one book to the

56:47

Bible. What is it? He has never, he has never updated these questions to like apply.

56:58

No, no, they didn't. They should have. And even with Elon Musk now and folks, he was listening on the podcast.

57:05

You can't see all that's happening is his eyebrows are flipping back and forth and he's going like, what in the world is this?

57:11

I think at this point, Elon Musk is saying, how quickly can I get out of this interview? Yeah. Right. The 10 commandments at this point.

57:21

Um, I mean a little bit, a little bit. I remember we can have a chapter past revelations, but I'm like, is there a happy ending here?

57:31

Uh, like, uh, um, the, uh, revelations part two, the happy ending.

57:39

Uh, well, you know, there's like a really, you got your hands. Brett is, is, is, is, is there some that it sounds like it looks from your, your reaction that there was something you, you thought the same thing

57:49

I was thinking when I heard that, what are you thinking? What do you mean the happy ending? Jesus comes back.

57:55

Um, you know, we, we all get new glorified bodies. We, we dwell on a new heaven and new earth forever with our, with our, our

58:03

God and who dwells with us. And, uh, there's no more, no more death, no more, no more tears, no more sin.

58:11

What do you mean a happy ending? Like if they're glorified God forever for everything that he's done, if there ever was a time for them to be able to, you know, interject the gospel right there, that was it.

58:25

That's like, this is his misconception about exactly because he's got like a

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Hollywood version of revelation where it's like everything is, um, all apart.

58:37

Uh, yeah. Falling apart. It's Armageddon, you know? So most people associate revelation Armageddon, but see for him, for him, it is he's saying, can we have a, a, a revelation to a better one?

58:48

And the answer is we already have it. What you're reading is what's going to happen with you without Christ, Christ, totally different ending.

58:57

Like that is a great opportunity to share the gospel right there is to be like, well, let, let's step back.

59:03

Let's get it. But, but it's, I sensed at this point, like, well, I said this earlier, but they just have this agenda that they wanted to do.

59:11

And, and they weren't at any point, I think really geared into what was actually happening right there with their guest.

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And, and it's, they were just looking for how to, how to make a joke and how to, they weren't listening to him.

59:25

They weren't looking for opportunities. They could have really shared the gospel because that was it right there.

59:31

It's I'm going to, Hey, what's it kickboxing. So I'm going to use a boxing analogy. Um, if you ever watch a boxing match, you'll hear the commentators often say things like he's reaching for the knockout.

59:43

He's looking for the knockout. And what happens is the guy starts looking for a knockout and it never comes because he's chasing it and he's not setting things up.

59:51

Right. And the funny would have been there if they had just relaxed and answered the question seriously and just take the shots as they presented themselves.

01:00:03

Instead, it was like they were reaching for jokes and swinging at everything that they could possibly do to try to, and it seemed to bother him, right?

01:00:14

Yeah. Cause they weren't really engaging with him. He'd throw something out there and then instead of getting a serious response, he'd just get more goofy silliness back from these, uh, so they weren't really respecting him and, and, and his responses to their questions.

01:00:33

And, uh, and it just, it really just made it kind of awkward, but like that revelation set up, it was perfect.

01:00:41

Cause like, yeah, it's a good, I immediately went to a, yes, it's a good ending for me.

01:00:47

It's like, this is a terrible ending for you. And let me tell you why you ought to be worried about that,

01:00:52

Elon, because someday you're going to die and you're going to have to face your maker. I'd be like, I can see why you think it's a bad ending, but let me explain why it's not right.

01:01:01

Yeah. Chris Han holds from, uh, the voice of reason radio podcast and other podcasts, the Christian podcast community says it's very clear that they were completely unprepared for this interview.

01:01:11

They just wanted to have the popularity of Elon on his show. Chris, I agree. And you should come in here by the way, but that's the whole thing.

01:01:19

You know, um, Chris also says here, they saw an opportunity to promote Babylon B by having a well -known

01:01:25

CEO who echoes their political sentiments. That's exactly right. Again, Chris is usually the two

01:01:32

Chris's Chris Han holds Chris Huff. They usually nail it. So if you don't listen to their podcast, you should. Uh, but yeah, that wasn't the same person.

01:01:39

No, Chris, that was those last two, but Chris mentioned earlier. Gotcha. Um, but yeah, that's the whole thing.

01:01:47

I think this was all about Babylon B promoting Babylon B and it's faith.

01:01:52

I mean, that's, that's not, that's not necessarily wrong, but here's a way better way they could do it.

01:01:59

Here's the thing. How many people did they turn off from their audience because of this, right?

01:02:06

That's the thing. When they have guys come in that, that are with them and things like that, that are in line with them and they're relaxed and people like the satire, they get it.

01:02:16

That's one thing. This was an, i'll tell you something. I watched it and over an hour and a half, it was uncomfortable to watch.

01:02:23

Yeah. You know, I feel bad. I seriously, I felt bad for Elon Musk because there's times in this interview.

01:02:29

I had the feeling like he's just looking like, how do I get out of here? And I know that this is an edited version.

01:02:35

It says full version, but there's parts where you see it clipped. So, you know,

01:02:41

I don't know what they edited out, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're, if they're probably aware of that.

01:02:49

I mean, if, if he was uncomfortable as, as much as we can tell that he looked uncomfortable, I, I would imagine they're smart guys.

01:02:57

I would imagine that they, they probably felt like they, they whiffed on that one big time.

01:03:04

So, I mean, let's hope that they in the future, because there will probably be more opportunities for them.

01:03:11

Let's hope that they do a lot better and pray that that does happen because they really do have, um, there's some funny opportunity to reach people.

01:03:21

Yeah. So let's hear, let's hear, let's hear this, the, the clip that I was saying with where he talks about, do people read the Bible? Do you think everyone should read?

01:03:28

Because it would be in the back of the Bible. Everyone should read this book. How many people have actually read the

01:03:33

Bible? Fewer than probably say they have. Oh yeah. I mean, did you guys hear it?

01:03:43

You, you heard them, you guys all heard him. They all cheered up and said, no, well we read it. We read it daily.

01:03:49

Christians read it. Yeah. Yeah. You heard that? No. I mean,

01:03:55

I know that they listen to guys like James White and other, you know, out there preaching and things because they're up on those, uh, on those things.

01:04:05

And they're often making jokes about, um, John MacArthur or whatever. And, um, so I can't imagine that they would be ignorant of, of how much study, uh, is involved and how much time people invest in Bible studies and, and preparing lessons.

01:04:24

And even just the, you know, people in churches are there for Bible studies. Like people are reading the Bible and they're, they're devouring it and they're, they're trying to get as much as they can out of it.

01:04:33

And they're trying to listen to a good teachers. Um, it's another misconception that they, they, they just let slide right by.

01:04:45

Yeah. They, their comment was that fewer than actually say it rather than saying, well, we do now maybe,

01:04:54

I don't know, maybe. And that was the CEO who made the comment.

01:05:00

Maybe it's because he reads the Bible less than he says, or he felt like he didn't want to say he reads it every day or he doesn't, you know,

01:05:08

I don't know, to be honest, I just don't know. And that statement doesn't really make a lot of sense.

01:05:13

Like how many people actually went to the gym today? Fewer than say that you were going to say that, you know, what's the thing here?

01:05:21

You have an unbeliever who's, who's basically saying like, no one reads the Bible. And instead of standing up for Christians that read the

01:05:30

Bible, they go with him. And this is where I say, okay, maybe I can agree that they're just starstruck. They're wanting like him as his acceptance.

01:05:37

Well, fewer than, than say so it's almost like they wanted his acceptance. Yeah. Yeah. And so he really looked like he thought he was going to get something different out of this podcast because he is a fan of the

01:05:51

Babylon B. I mean, that that's kind of why this happened. I mean, he's, he's posted things on social media before about, you know, whether it would be articles that pertain to him or articles that pertain to something going on in, um, in, in the culture that, that was relevant.

01:06:08

And he was like, oh, these guys nailed it or something. And so I just really think he probably was expecting an entirely different experience than he got.

01:06:16

I think he actually wanted, when I listened to the interview, I think he actually wanted some answers to things, uh, and didn't get it.

01:06:22

And, and the, the reality, and we'll, we'll see this later on. I think he was more in this interview, he understood

01:06:29

Christianity or explain some things of Christianity or Christian history, more than these guys who claim to be

01:06:35

Christian. Okay. Uh, we're going to get to that in a moment, but one of the things that, uh, really got me was the fact that they want to get to a gospel presentation.

01:06:46

So this is at the one hour and 33 minute Mark, there's six minutes left in this interview.

01:06:53

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01:09:08

Now, does the Babylon B know the gospel? This is their gospel presentation.

01:09:14

Uh, I'm, I'm tempted to just play this. So you hear it uninterrupted, but I doubt that I'm going to be able to do that, but here we go.

01:09:24

All right. Final question to close our time out here. Yeah. I mean, we're here where, you know, the

01:09:29

Babylon B is a Christian organization, you know, and, uh, okay. Notice the music that just started playing.

01:09:35

There was one other scene where I heard some music, but the, the, the light music, like it's an altar call, right?

01:09:43

He identifies we're a Christian ministry. Here we go. Let's get this gospel presentation.

01:09:49

They're ministry. Well, how come we're doing the show on a Sunday? Why are you doing this on a

01:10:00

Sunday? Uh, so, so now here's, here would be a great opportunity as these guys are, they'll, they'll announce that they're

01:10:09

Baptist. Uh, now it'd be a great opportunity to explain the difference between old Testament, new Testament, you know, what the

01:10:15

Sabbath is. You think they're going to do that, Brett? What do you say? Probably not. Probably no. So we did zoom church.

01:10:30

What are they? We're going to make it church right now. So, uh, folks, you can't have church over zoom.

01:10:39

Okay. It's kind of like in the name of church. What is church Ecclesia? It is a gathering for a purpose.

01:10:47

The purpose is to worship God. You kind of can't gather in a non -gathering kind of way.

01:10:55

It doesn't really work. I'm sorry. You know, gathering requires gathering. Yeah.

01:11:02

You know, it's kind of like Brett, you'll understand this. You know, I had a debate with a Muslim and, uh, basically

01:11:09

I exposed that, you know, I went to this debate. I paid my own way because I felt it was so important for these

01:11:15

Muslims to hear the gospel. And, and he got paid a lot of money to be there. And he tried to deny that.

01:11:21

And he says, Oh, I make my, I make my living teaching karate. I said,

01:11:26

I said, well, you know, I do martial arts and, um, you you're, you've already admitted that you're only home three weeks a year.

01:11:33

And I don't know how you could kind of do training of martial arts long distance.

01:11:39

It's a little difficult, a little impossible, right? I mean, I mean, what he does is he was telling me like, cause he doesn't have anyone where he's at in Africa.

01:11:47

What he does is he actually, he, he travels like three or four hours to a jujitsu place and they learn whatever they can learn.

01:11:54

And then he goes home and just tries to repeat it. And he's got a couple of guys that he could do it with, but you know, it's, you got to do it with somebody, you know?

01:12:04

Uh, so there was the, uh, there were the two pastors in Canada that have, uh, had their legal problems with Tim Stevens and the first guy, um,

01:12:13

James Coates, James Coates. Right. I think he said something like, um, if you think that, um, uh, something along with,

01:12:20

I'm paraphrasing that, uh, if you think that zoom church is the same thing as being in person, like you, you kind of learn the difference when you're in jail and you can't be with your family.

01:12:31

It's like a phone call with your wife and your kids is not the same thing as being with your wife and kids.

01:12:38

Excellent point. Yeah. So let's listen to this transition to the gospel. So he's, so he's calling them out for, for church.

01:12:45

They don't, they don't stick up for what church is again. What do they do? They're throwing the church under the bus.

01:12:51

They, they, this is just like with the Bible question. It's, it's, they're not holding a high standard for Christianity.

01:12:57

This really bothers me. I love their humor and the satire, but I'm looking at this and going, this, they're saying there's a

01:13:05

Christian ministry and I'm going, I'm not seeing, I mean, to me, it seems like we like making fun of Christians.

01:13:12

We like making fun of Christianity. We have a low view of Christianity, but we, we were making good money at it, you know, but, but let's listen more.

01:13:24

God said, don't work on Sunday. Okay. Let's go straight down to this one.

01:13:30

Get into the whole Jesus thing. Okay. This is true. This is true.

01:13:36

Okay. So to make this church, we have to do, we have to make sure just, we're wondering if you could do us a quick solid and accept

01:13:42

Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Okay. Yeah.

01:13:49

You didn't, you never, you didn't hear this part of the interview, huh? No. You do us a quick solid and accept

01:13:56

Jesus as your Lord and Savior. That makes it church, by the way. Remember we said to make this church, can you do us a quick solid?

01:14:05

Now, the other guy sitting right next to him is just laughing along with him. And this is a guy who was a co -pa, is a co -pastor of a church, went, you know, to ministry.

01:14:15

Oh really? Yeah. The other guy laughing is the CEO of the company. And I feel like they needed a point, man, on this interview, like to keep it in check.

01:14:27

No, I think they needed a point. I mean, cause they completely missed the point.

01:14:35

Yeah. I mean this, you know, Chris Honhold says this, he says that phrase really upsets me.

01:14:41

I can't explain how much, when I first heard that, when I was listening to, I think it was the Ray Comfort's video, and I heard them say, can you give me a quick solid and just accept

01:14:52

Jesus into your heart or accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? There was no presentation of the gospel throughout this entire interview.

01:15:01

It bothers you because it's a, it's a mockery of the gospel presentation. It's a mockery, like you think at any time that you've done evangelism and you've, you have to break the ice and you have to get over yourself and yet you have to like get through all these hurdles and all the, the, the simple things going inside you, because, because you're thinking, oh man, this is embarrassing.

01:15:31

Or I feel ashamed for some reason. And you have to kind of like kill all that while you're doing evangelism.

01:15:40

And so it's not such an easy thing. And then to have them say, can you just, you know, just accept

01:15:47

Jesus as your Lord and Savior and do us a solid. And it's like kind of taking the easy way out, kind of like sidestepping the, like presenting the gospel to them.

01:15:57

I don't know. Well, let me bring, I'm going to bring in, in this,

01:16:03

I'm going to freely admit that this is trouble waiting to happen, but, hey, Mr. Kevin, how are you, sir?

01:16:11

You're muted. You can unmute yourself. Ah, yes. Pastor Andrew, how are we doing? Good, sir.

01:16:17

Where are you? You're like, oh, you're in your car there. You're working. Yes, I'm delivering and all that, but I knew tonight was an interesting topic, so I thought

01:16:25

I'd pop in and say hello. Well, how are you? You enjoying this so far? Are you pulling what little hair, no hair you have now?

01:16:34

No, I, yeah. Oh, oh yeah. I got the same problem, so don't worry. You and Brett, you guys don't worry about finding your hairbrush in the morning.

01:16:44

Yeah. Don't have to think about it. What's the recap? What's been going on?

01:16:50

Oh, so you haven't been watching what? You've been driving and delivering food and people? Yeah, well, yeah, I try to obey the law.

01:16:58

Well, we're just getting to the gospel parts that they're going to present, and I forget the one gentleman's name that said, do us a quick solid and just accept

01:17:08

Jesus as your Lord and Savior. No pastor presentation, nothing.

01:17:15

Is that where we leave it? Is there more? Oh yeah, there's more. Ready for it? Okay, here we go.

01:17:21

Here's the more. We got like five more minutes of this wonderful stuff. Wait, wait for it.

01:17:32

Just do a quick prayer.

01:17:41

Notice there's no explanation of the gospel. They're all laughing. You see how uncomfortable he is?

01:17:47

He doesn't even understand what they're asking him to do. Right? It's mind -boggling, but let's listen to more.

01:18:00

I mean, let's just say, like, I agree with the principles that Jesus advocated, and that, you know, there's great wisdom in the teachings of Jesus, and I agree with those teachings.

01:18:21

Okay, so he agrees with the teachings of Jesus. Right? I mean, what are the teachings?

01:18:31

So you agree? So this is the question that I would hope that they would have asked. So you agree that you are a sinner destined to eternity in a lake of fire because you have violated the laws of God, you have broken his law, you rightly deserve hell, and you agree with that?

01:18:53

I mean, that's what Jesus said. You will go to a place where weeping and gnashing of teeth in a fire that does not consume.

01:19:04

That's what Jesus said. Is that what you agree with? No. He's agreeing with a fictitious Jesus that loves everybody and never says a bad word or hard word to anybody.

01:19:18

Kevin, is that the Jesus of the Bible? What do you think? No, and when

01:19:23

I first became a Christian, I was in a lot of seeker -sensitive churches, so it sounds exactly like that seeker -sensitive presentation.

01:19:31

I know the situation is very tense, and I know he's a celebrity and all that, but someone's got to get a grip and distribute the gospel there and talk about the laws, and I guess if you're practicing sharing the gospel the right way, it should not be much of an issue when the real test comes, and it seems like those guys don't regularly share the true gospel or else they probably would have right there.

01:19:56

So I see some patterns from churches I used to be at. That's an excellent point you just brought up, is

01:20:02

I think, you know, Brett, like we were talking earlier, we would have jumped on the opportunity with Noah, definitely jumped on the opportunity with Revelations, right?

01:20:12

Why would we have done that? Because as Kevin said, we practice evangelism on a regular basis, and when you do that,

01:20:20

I mean, I remember there's a gentleman I knew, Art Goodman, and he goes, yeah,

01:20:29

I like to only use my first initial. That way I can say I'm a good man. Without even thinking,

01:20:36

I mean, I wasn't looking to share the gospel. I just, all of a sudden, without even thinking, out of my mouth,

01:20:41

I went, oh, so you consider yourself to be a good person? I mean, he's saying

01:20:46

I'm a good man. It was just instinct. It's the same thing we were talking with martial arts, right?

01:20:53

Why do we train it for muscle memory so that when you're in that situation, you don't have to think about what you're going to do. It just happens.

01:20:59

And I think what Kevin, he dropped out. He must have got a ride. He's an

01:21:05

Uber driver and Uber Eats, DoorDash, all that. But the fact that I got into that gospel conversation with Art, because of the fact, oh, he's back.

01:21:15

I guess his customer then decided not to take the ride. One look at Kevin went, oh, I got to find another

01:21:20

Uber driver. Yeah, phone calls apparently kicked me out of the ride. Oh, okay. So, I think though, what he brought up is an excellent point, is the fact that when you are practicing evangelism, it comes natural.

01:21:36

Now, Brian Nine, who I told him he should have come in here earlier, he said, cue the spiritual transition game commercial.

01:21:44

And so, that's the thing that I play with folks, is a spiritual transition game to train us to go from the natural world to the spiritual world.

01:21:52

And I always say I could take any conversation and do that. Is that correct,

01:21:57

Mr. Pierce? Can I do that with any? Okay, just checking. Welcome. Are you done with class early?

01:22:03

Done with class a little bit early. Oh, good. It's been the most oppressive stuff I've listened to in a long time.

01:22:10

Oh, thank you. For class or this episode? The class. Well, yeah, all you're all's conversation. No, the class has been just, it's been, what is it?

01:22:19

Critical race theory, intersectionality, and why you're not a Christian if you don't believe it.

01:22:26

So, we've been standing up and trying to learn about it. And you're being taught that in your seminary?

01:22:32

No, you know better than that. We're being taught how to stand up. But think about it. What this weekend, we're having the, everybody's going to be speaking on Christianity and homosexuality and talking about biblical

01:22:48

Christianity. Not everyone, just the biblical church. Well, I said everyone. They were hoping for 16 ,000.

01:22:54

We just found out there were less than 3 ,000. Hey, Brett, do you know what's Pastor Mike preaching on this weekend?

01:23:00

Do you know if he's - We're in Galatians, and we're right at the appropriate point of passage.

01:23:08

So, he was going to do it one way or the other this weekend. Yeah, yeah. We were just talking about that, that God's timing on that worked out really well.

01:23:18

So, we didn't really have to do anything special, but I'm sure there will be a mention of the solidarity between the churches.

01:23:26

All right, well, let me play more of this because I do have another clip that actually Kevin here had sent me that I want to make sure we get to.

01:23:33

So, let's listen to more of this gospel presentation. Oh, I heard that. And things like turn the other cheek are very important because as opposed to an eye for an eye.

01:23:46

Okay, right there. Turn the other cheek versus eye for the eye. Eye for the eye is about the limitation, the max you can do when it comes to, you know, if someone does something to you, the most you could do to them.

01:24:02

It doesn't mean you have to do it. It's a limitation. It's to say that if someone steals from you, you can't kill them.

01:24:10

So, he totally doesn't understand that, but I wouldn't expect him to. He's an unbeliever.

01:24:16

I expect the others to be correcting it. They should have started with this early on in the show. You know, but let's see.

01:24:25

Is everyone blind? So, forgiveness, you know, is important and treating people as you would wish to be treated.

01:24:37

Okay, so what was the two things that he felt was very important? Forgiveness and being treated as, like, wait, forgiveness?

01:24:47

Like, think about this, folks. Forgiveness. That is a point where they should have said, what is forgiveness?

01:24:55

And I expect they're going to do that, don't you? Let's find out. Track record hasn't been good.

01:25:03

Love thy neighbor as thyself. Very important. So, it's like a 60 -70 % yes, as Einstein would say.

01:25:11

What was their focus? So, it's 60 -70 % yes. That was a time to say, let us explain what forgiveness is.

01:25:20

But I think, back to what Kevin said, they're not used to sharing the gospel. I think

01:25:26

Kevin nailed it. They probably don't do this on a regular basis. It seems like they just want to get that conversion.

01:25:33

They're not worried about whether it's genuine. Yeah, correct. And that's where you said earlier, you know, this is the seeker -sensitive church.

01:25:39

Just, hey, walk that aisle, pray that prayer, say yes to Jesus, and you're in, and we'll see if that ends up happening.

01:25:47

I really like those things that Jesus was saying, you know, how nice he's talking about, you know, just turn the other cheek and be all sweet and lovey.

01:25:55

You know, I'm glad he never said anything about repent. Otherwise, you will likewise perish.

01:26:00

You will have eternity in like a fire. You know, none of that stuff. You know, we don't accept that type of Jesus. Justin, if you were here on time, you would have been here for that conversation.

01:26:10

I know. I listened. I watched the video. I watched this guy. What got me about it,

01:26:16

Justin Peters was right. He's asking. He's asking, will you please explain this to me?

01:26:23

Yeah, this was awful. And there's several things, I mean, even before what Justin, Justin played only his last six minutes.

01:26:31

Yeah, that's why I want, there are other points where he was basically like, it's almost like he was bringing things up.

01:26:38

He obviously knew this was a Christian program, and he was the one bringing up the

01:26:44

Christianity, not them. I think they were embarrassed of it. I mean, I'm not trying to get in their minds, but I think they were embarrassed about the things of God, and they just wanted a 60 or 70 percent yes.

01:26:57

And they were happy. They just were starstruck, and they had him on, and it was about expanding Babylon B, not the kingdom of God.

01:27:04

Yeah, we don't want to make you mad. Would you mind putting a couple million dollars into our ministry? Yeah, I almost wonder when they did talk about this special tier they made of the

01:27:13

Elon Musk tier. I almost wondered, were they doing that, hoping that he would say, well, I could donate to that.

01:27:18

You know, I don't know. But we got like four more minutes. Let's hear it. I believe in the

01:27:24

God of Spinoza. Okay, right there. The God of Spinoza.

01:27:30

Okay. Now, if you listen to Justin's video, he goes into Spinoza, and it explains

01:27:35

Spinoza was, you know, in the pre -reformation time,

01:27:42

I believe, he was someone who believed that there was a God, but he's an impersonal God. He just kind of started up everything and let it spin.

01:27:51

And so he's basically saying, I believe that there's a God out there, but the

01:27:56

God doesn't involve our personal lives. Here's the thing I made earlier. Sorry. Okay, you put this up.

01:28:02

Chris Honnold says they were afraid of offending Elon and having a podcast take him, take a hit from him.

01:28:09

And I think Chris is right. This is back to what was being said. See, now that you're here, you read all the comments.

01:28:14

I don't get to do that when you're not here. So, yeah,

01:28:20

I mean, what you end up seeing is you have here a case where I lost my train of thought, and it's a perfect case of that.

01:28:33

It was perfect. So, but here, what

01:28:40

I think I was going to say was that this is where he's the one that seems to understand more of the

01:28:46

Christian language and Christian history. I said this earlier in the show. He's the one that's been bringing things up that they should be talking about.

01:28:58

Yeah. You know, one thing that Facebook user, I'm so glad that Facebook user comes on so often.

01:29:05

I'm friends with that guy. I'm telling you, theological giant here. Facebook user just needs to go to Apologeticslive .com

01:29:12

and get the instructions of how we can find out their name. That's right. So Facebook, you said you're right.

01:29:19

They're ashamed of the gospel. They were laughing like little school girls, giggling about the most important things.

01:29:24

Correct. I tell you, what gets me about it is this man, I mean, look,

01:29:32

I listened to the thing. I've been following kind of some of the stuff he's doing, and he seems to be really intelligent and really well rounded, but he wants to know.

01:29:42

And this poor guy is asking questions. I believe in the goddess Benoza. Okay, let's talk about that.

01:29:48

Let's talk about the true biblical God, because you're not a Christian, not a 70%. Yes, you're not saved.

01:29:55

You need to be right with God. I'm sorry. I'm laughing. So John likes to, every week he comes in with different names.

01:30:03

This week, he is Elon Musk is the name of my, I can't read that.

01:30:10

Cologne. Too small. Welcome, John. John, we missed the chickens.

01:30:17

That's what Anthony wanted you to know. Oh, okay. So let me keep playing this.

01:30:25

Chris, you put this out here, and I love Chris to death. He's a great brother of mine, but when he puts stuff out here,

01:30:32

I've got to throw it up here because he's right. What will be interesting is what the

01:30:38

Babylon Bee does next. My prayer is, not Chris, but my prayer is that they're going to beg him to come back on.

01:30:45

They're going to say, hey, we messed up. Please let us come. Let's do this right. Yeah, I pray that.

01:30:51

I don't know that they will. I thank KT and the others who have been tagging Elon Musk and inviting him onto this show.

01:30:59

Please. Look, I'd be happy to do that with him. I'd be happy to have him on, not because I'd be like, oh,

01:31:07

Elon Musk, maybe we could get a donation. No, Elon Musk, you need the gospel. Don't give us a penny.

01:31:13

We don't want that. It's not about the pennies. Look, the thing that bothered me so much with this is you had an opportunity to share the gospel with a man who is basically admitting he's clueless about the gospel.

01:31:29

And you're not doing it. You know, but this is endemic of the vast majority of professing

01:31:36

Christianity. Yes. It doesn't matter if you're Elon Musk or the local homosexual group that says, oh,

01:31:41

I'm a gay Christian or you're the, you know, whatever else you want to call it. This is endemic of every single level of Christianity.

01:31:49

I mean, I just watched a thing with J .D. Greer. We're getting to that later.

01:31:54

Oh, well, this is part of my class. But anyway, I mean, I've seen this stuff so many times saying, you know,

01:32:01

We're not going to get to the J .D. Greer if we don't get this done with, you know, just saying. I see how you're going to do. You just interrupt me all the time.

01:32:07

So I show up late and you won't let me talk. We mute you and we play this.

01:32:13

Look. So, um, but hey, if, um, you know, if, if, if Jesus is, is, uh, saving people,

01:32:24

I mean, I, I wouldn't stand in his way, you know, like they'll be sure I'll be safe. OK, sweet.

01:32:32

Well, it's going to get worse. It's going to get worse. That's that's it. Oh, yeah.

01:32:38

I mean, if Jesus is saving people, why not? This is good enough. This is the try

01:32:44

Jesus movement, right? That's the try Jesus gospel. Try Jesus and see if your life has changed.

01:32:52

Right. And this next part is what's going to get. Probably all of us fired up.

01:32:59

Jesus is not the the God you try. He's the God you submit to and you repent.

01:33:05

Exactly. It's not that I'll give Jesus a try. You're a sinner. And if you don't acknowledge that he's going to be your judge.

01:33:15

Now, there's not one one person here that doesn't need not just to try Jesus, but to fall on their face and say,

01:33:22

God, I am so terrible in your side. I'm a I'm a I'm wicked. I acknowledge my sin.

01:33:29

Well, I want you to watch the guy all the way on the left. He's the one that was asking the questions. Watch his reaction.

01:33:35

OK, Elon Musk just said, yeah, yeah, OK, if Jesus is saving, I'll try Jesus. He's not he doesn't know what he's saving from.

01:33:44

OK, that was never explained. Watch this guy's reaction. That's it.

01:33:56

Hey, praise the Lord. We got him. And he's looking at the what you don't realize is there's a camera crew and others that work for Babylon B that are all where he's looking.

01:34:07

He's looking at them like they're clapping hands. Hey, we did it. We got Elon Musk saved. He's not a trophy.

01:34:14

Yeah, I can't stand it. First of all, they put in a sappy music. And then when he says we got him as if he's like a trophy, it's just sickening how they did this.

01:34:28

John, repeat that. He's not what? He's not a trophy.

01:34:35

That's the most what you said. That's that's like the biggest thing that we need to think about.

01:34:42

Yeah, no, you really you got it. I mean, that really is how I think they're viewing this.

01:34:49

Unfortunately, this isn't done. We still have more. This is so now what are they going to do?

01:34:55

What happens after someone gets saved? Baptism. Let's see how they present that. Do I get baptized or anything?

01:35:03

I was baptized. Oh, oh, yeah, he's done. I think I'm just a baby.

01:35:10

Cool. Right. They explain believers baptism, right? I mean, he's holding up his little bottle of water and shaking it. It's like, yeah, he actually also said he's done and he's done.

01:35:20

Yeah. Aren't they the ones that said that they were baptized? Yeah. Well, they're going to say that right now. This is the second.

01:35:29

Yeah, I even had like, you know, the blood and blood of Christ, which is kind of weird.

01:35:35

You know, if you look at it like you get to give you some weird tasting, you know, whiskey and wine.

01:35:41

Yeah. I'm like, what the hell is this? I'm like, isn't this kind of weird? Just cut it off when he said yes.

01:35:50

Just just cut it off when he said yes. Captain Black Eagle, who

01:35:55

I think is Ron Hughes, by the way, that little symbol next to his name means he is a member at Striving Fraternity YouTube channel.

01:36:03

So he helps support us. That's what that little icon means. So thank you for that. He says, you don't trap people for their salvation through a game.

01:36:12

You know, that's that's true. And they're making light of salvation. They've made light of the

01:36:19

Bible. They've made light of, you know, now baptism. The reason this bothers me is just because of the fact that I look at this and say, this is not the way that I think genuine believers who love the

01:36:37

Lord and have a concern for the lost will be behaving with an unsafe person, regardless who that is.

01:36:44

OK. Yeah. You know, I'm almost certain that if you go back a little bit,

01:36:49

I don't know that I can point you to the second, but during the giggle time, the giggle fest here, I think

01:36:55

Elon was about to say this is a joke because he goes back to this is and then he stopped.

01:37:01

I think he was about to say this is a joke. He knows that he needs something.

01:37:07

He knows that he needs to hear the truth. And I don't think I think that he knows. Let's see.

01:37:13

Is he saying it as a statement or a question? Well, let's we'll play. I don't know.

01:37:18

You might be right. It might be a question. Is this really a joke? I'm like, isn't this kind of weird?

01:37:24

Just cut it off when he said yes. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe just maybe a little bit back.

01:37:31

But yeah, he's he's like he but he was talking about he was actually talking about the communion because he said give you a little son to eat.

01:37:40

And it's because he's going to then talk about that the body of Christ and what they know in Anglicanism. Why is it that there's communion,

01:37:48

Andrew? I mean, did we do it just to just to taste something bitter? I mean, that's all it's about, right?

01:37:53

Yeah. So, I mean, this this is basically the video there. You know, they were just cut it off there.

01:37:59

He said, yes, cut it off there. Disturbing, disturbing.

01:38:04

Does it make anybody else's skin crawl? I mean, does it? I mean, I mean, I have cold chills just thinking about, you know, if he died tonight.

01:38:14

Yeah. These men are going to stand before God, you know? That this is the thing, and I know, you know,

01:38:22

Kevin, I'm going to put you on the spot there, sir. We were talking about this last night.

01:38:28

You know, Kevin, Kevin, and I'm going to speak for him, and then he can speak for himself.

01:38:33

If I if I say something wrong, you Kevin, Kevin had a different take with he saw the video from Justin Peters.

01:38:39

He loves Justin Peters. But he was surprised seeing Justin take on word of faith people all the time and all these others to suddenly see

01:38:48

Justin really hammering these guys as hard as he was. I've seen this side of Justin, you know, and I said to Kevin, you know,

01:38:57

Justin's been dealing with Benny Hinn for decades. It's not, you know, you don't have the same fervor when you hear something the first time, you know, listen to him talk about Southern Baptist Convention was what went on, and he's pretty fired up.

01:39:10

Ed Litton, he's pretty fired up. But this is the first time he heard this. And so you're getting the raw emotion from him.

01:39:19

And I think that, you know, fortunately for me, Kevin wasn't watching me when

01:39:26

I watched this video in full because, you know, I was glad that my my bride was sleeping.

01:39:35

You know, I don't know how she sleeps when I watch these things late at night. I scream at the at the because that's basically what it is.

01:39:43

Me screaming at the at the monitor like, how are you missing this? And so but but the reason

01:39:49

I think that you see people get worked up about this is those of us who know the gospel, it's because I mean, my heart is breaking for the fact that for Elon Musk and the fact that there was an opportunity here for Elon Musk to hear the gospel.

01:40:10

And the ball was dropped. Well, he's never going to go on The View. He's never going to go on CNN or even

01:40:17

Fox News and get the gospel. Yeah. And he had that opportunity there.

01:40:22

And we don't have very many opportunities. I mean, I'll be honest. I doubt that he ever comes on here and has a conversation with us.

01:40:31

You know, maybe he will, maybe he won't. But, you know, I doubt that. But we, you know, I can speak for Andrew because I know him well enough to know this.

01:40:39

We're going to use every opportunity that God gives us and we're not going to try to biff it. It's not going to be funny.

01:40:46

We goof around. But when it comes to the gospel, there's nothing funny about what we're talking about. Can I interject something here for a second?

01:40:53

So you just did. You just did. Get used to it. So I mean, we're upset that there's like a missed opportunity.

01:41:03

And there's obviously a lot of things that these guys did with their behavior. And clearly things that upset us about how they just kind of mocked and joked around over something incredibly serious.

01:41:17

As far as the missed opportunity for Elon Musk. I mean, there was a guy that came to my shop yesterday.

01:41:25

And you know what? There was an opportunity there. And I whiffed on that. OK, so and that guy is just as valuable a person to witness to than Elon Musk.

01:41:34

We can look at Elon Musk like this is game seven of the World Series and you blew it.

01:41:40

But we can give them a little bit of grace. I think that we whiff on a lot of opportunities.

01:41:46

Let me interject on that then. I'll interject on you and say, I agree with you. There's plenty of times where I feel like I have a missed opportunity.

01:41:53

But here's the difference. They knew that it wasn't like someone. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of pressure.

01:41:59

Yeah, it's not like there was someone walks in your shop and you weren't prepared.

01:42:05

This is something they knew. They knew their 10 questions. Yeah. Now, their 10th question is, is there?

01:42:13

I haven't listened to their others where they have interviews. And I mean, is the 10th question always will you do me a quick solid and accept

01:42:20

Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Is that really their question that they always ask that they said they can't change their questions?

01:42:25

I hope not. But they knew what they were walking into. They knew they're going to have them on the program.

01:42:31

They knew they were going to have some time with them, at least an hour, I'm guessing. They knew that they were dealing with an unbeliever.

01:42:44

The ball's in their hands because the reality is when you're the host of the show, you ask the questions.

01:42:56

You guide and direct the way the show is going to go. So it's a little bit different.

01:43:02

So I know you're saying, hey, let's get in groups because we missed you. Yeah, that guy didn't come on to my show. I've blown it plenty of times.

01:43:07

That's also Christian, right? But let me just finish with this, Justin. Next week, we're going to have someone on, right, who is not a believer and he's going to come on.

01:43:20

And what's he going to get? The gospel. You know what? He already got the gospel. Got the gospel twice because I went on to Wisdom App, and Brett, I've got to get you on this because you're going to love it.

01:43:31

The Wisdom App is where you can do open air preaching from your house. Oh, it's like Zoom church.

01:43:37

No, no, no. Basically, snap on the phone and you just talk and they just pop in.

01:43:46

And we're just talking and people came in and an unbeliever comes in. I'm sharing the gospel and we got a 30 -minute gospel conversation.

01:43:53

He invited me on his podcast. I went on his podcast that should be airing this week or next week, I think.

01:43:59

And it's just me. You know, we start talking some things, you know, just small talk, just like we did on the

01:44:06

Wisdom App, and then get into the gospel, right? And so that's, you know,

01:44:13

KT is saying, you got to explain why you laugh when you do. Andrew to Justin, my paraphrase.

01:44:20

Yeah, be quiet. But think, is this the one that I was listening in and you were talking to the gentleman?

01:44:26

Yeah, and that guy is coming in next week. He actually asked, hey, can I come on to your program? Now, he's heard the gospel twice.

01:44:34

And so, you know, what am I doing already? I already know he's coming on.

01:44:39

What is my prep? My prep is the gospel because I know he's coming on.

01:44:44

Because that's the most important thing. And I want to point this out like Andrew was talking about. John may have someone that's coming on next week too, right,

01:44:50

John? You have a Church of Christ fella? Yeah, there's a guy named

01:44:55

Preacher Norm. You can find him on the internet. You can probably, and Church of Christ guy.

01:45:01

And pretty much he's blatantly said that works is required to be saved.

01:45:08

Cool, we can talk about that. Yeah, well, that's next week's show. But Justin, you have something you want to say?

01:45:15

Well, yeah, if you don't mind. Bed, hold on. Now, think about this.

01:45:20

Now, think about this. I don't know what the background music was, but it was staged and set up for their gospel presentation.

01:45:28

When you were in your shop, did you turn the background music on? Do you think that the music was added afterwards?

01:45:35

I think it was after. And if it wasn't after, it was during the, just as I am.

01:45:43

Yeah, if that was not added after, then yeah, I would have even more concern because they are trying to do an altar call.

01:45:49

They say that's like church. Either way, it was still set up for that position and that interview.

01:45:56

It'd be just like right now if we started witnessing to John because he desperately needs it. And we start doing just as I am.

01:46:03

But the thing is, is the music there, everything else, they knew they were going to do their presentation.

01:46:11

And instead of saying, sharing the true gospel with him, it was that.

01:46:16

Now, if you were in your shop and you knew you were going to have a gospel conversation with somebody,

01:46:23

I would hope that it would not be, hey, just do us a solid, say you like Jesus.

01:46:30

The first thing I'd make sure my smoke machine was on. Yeah, well, you've got to have that. There's no gospel without.

01:46:37

In your shop, you got the music all queued up, right? So when someone comes in, you can go, hey, hey, you give me a quick solid and just a solid man.

01:46:48

I think what bothered me with that was not just that it was nonchalant, but it was so, to me, it just seems so derogatory of what the gospel message is.

01:47:00

You know, just do me a quick solid and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Well, I also think, too, that you got to consider with Justin's point is that he's he's talking about people that are supposed to be solid.

01:47:14

The Babylon Bee is as far as up until this point, and I've not listened to their interviews, things.

01:47:23

OK, so maybe they do this all the time. We just didn't know it. But up until this point, there's this, you know, a theological air that they're going to try to step up and be right.

01:47:34

But when it came to this, it was like all this other stuff that we do, doctrine of theology wise, is important.

01:47:42

But this gospel thing, let's play around about it. And I think that's what upset him, because when I heard it,

01:47:48

I mean, honestly, I didn't know what to think. I was just in shock. And I think, you know, pretty much everybody was that really considered.

01:47:54

If I could clarify to Andrew, if I could just clarify to my comments about last night. So, you know, when

01:48:02

I watched Justin's video, I guess I'm coming from the secret center movement myself. I'm not surprised when

01:48:09

I see professing Christians drop the ball on the gospel. I'm just not surprised. So I guess I was more taken aback at the utter that everyone was so shocked that, oh, a

01:48:17

Christian satire group is not as reformed as we thought they were. I mean,

01:48:23

I've seen a lot of their posts and a lot of stuff is it can be funny. And I know they're politically conservative, but are they biblically, you know, are they biblical

01:48:30

Christians? I don't know from the snapshot. I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean, I think most people think they're more reformed.

01:48:36

And, you know, but, you know, KTS says this. Are we going to get to the J .D. Greer thing? So let's do that.

01:48:42

Yeah, let's go ahead. All right. I'm going to bounce, guys, because I got my wife looking at me like, what in the world happened?

01:48:48

She's about to beat you up. I would like to see that. And folks,

01:48:54

I'm just going to let you know right now that this is Kevin's fault. Kevin, right down there, you see him down in his car.

01:49:00

This is his fault. We're about to listen to I'm going to I'm going to play this in its entirety.

01:49:07

All right. Bye, Brett. In its in its entirety. And then we can talk about it.

01:49:13

It's only about a minute. Here we go. Representing churches will be known as the friends of the

01:49:21

LGBTQ community. And I think the question to us as church leaders. Oh, wait.

01:49:27

Sorry. This is the wrong video. Have you drawn the gay and lesbian community? It doesn't matter. It's all the same. Yeah. Are you an advocate against abuse, injustice and discrimination on their behalf?

01:49:37

Isn't that what you would do for a friend? I do want to apologize to the gay and lesbian community on behalf of my community and me for not standing up against abuse and discrimination directed towards you.

01:49:49

That was wrong. And we need your forgiveness. OK. They need this is

01:49:57

CRT language. So so what do you what do you do with that?

01:50:07

Right. This is the language. What you got to realize, this is this is Marxist language that is that's coming to the church.

01:50:13

And it's true. We understand that. We've talked about that here. But here's the thing.

01:50:18

Let me let me ask. Have any of you ever seen anyone on the, you know,

01:50:28

I'll even go with the Christian side with the big Eva, let alone anyone in the

01:50:35

LGBT movement. Have you ever heard them asking for their community to apologize for constantly attacking

01:50:43

Christians, for taking them to court if they don't celebrate their homosexuality, for trying to get them fired if they don't support homosexuality?

01:50:53

Have you ever heard anybody? I mean, what is it Christians are doing that we need to ask forgiveness for the gospel because we want to share the gospel with people?

01:51:05

You know, we need to to ask forgiveness of those who hate

01:51:11

Christ. So what sharing the gospel with them? I mean, the

01:51:16

Muslims aren't asking, saying to their community, we need to ask forgiveness for throwing them off buildings. I mean, they try to kill them.

01:51:23

We want to share the gospel. We'll see. But the thing is, is what's what's so terrible about it is what we're doing is marginalizing their identified humanity.

01:51:35

And so we should apologize because what we're doing is a marginalizing them. We're casting them out. We're not accepting their mark, their their identified humanity.

01:51:45

And so we are at fault and we need to apologize. J .D. Greer, Russell Moore, ERLC, all these guys are saying, hey, guys, if you're going to be a true

01:51:54

Christian, you need to reach out to those that are marginalized and repent. You need to ask for forgiveness.

01:52:01

You need to say you're sorry and accept them and allow them to come in just as they are.

01:52:06

And this is just it's just a way to destroy the church. It's the way, you know, Mark said he was going to destroy

01:52:12

Christianity with socialism and with this type of thinking.

01:52:18

And it is here. It's it's I mean, guys, this is the this is the

01:52:24

Christianity, the quote unquote Christianity of today. We're we're the majority minority here.

01:52:30

This may be the Christianity of Babylon B. I don't know. I hope not.

01:52:38

Because we what we what we heard is I mean, we I listen to this and I go, well, you know, you should expect that J .D.

01:52:45

Greer should know better of what the Bible teaches on these things. You'd think that Babylon B knows better, but it doesn't seem to Babylon B knows what the gospel is.

01:52:56

You have to ask the question, does J .D. Greer know what the Bible says about homosexuality? I've got a, you know,

01:53:03

Chris Arnold says J .D. Greer is making friends with the world. He is fully at enmity with God.

01:53:10

Wow. That's a strong statement. Since 2004 up till 2018, a

01:53:17

Gallup poll says that the the number of people that are in favor of same sex marriage and inclusion in the church, and this is talking about the churches, is up almost seventy five percent.

01:53:31

They say that ninety seven percent of U .S. adults in the church are in favor of same sex marriage.

01:53:39

But but that's what happens when you teach it, when you when you teach it and nobody stands up against it. Very few people stand up that are in the majority that are speaking out against it.

01:53:49

But what's the whole purpose in it? The purpose is to destroy the defined church, the biblically defined church.

01:53:57

Now, if anybody thought that J .D. Greer was a Christian man of God that was going to stand there and defend the word of God and defend the church of God, you're wrong.

01:54:07

And you've always been wrong. And the evidence is you're going to continue to be wrong. Yeah, yeah.

01:54:13

And that's the thing. Anyone have any last comments before we close out? So, you know, just real quick,

01:54:24

Chris Hough here is saying we're going to talk about these polls in the next edition of Matter of Theology.

01:54:32

So you could check them out at ChristianPodcastCommunity .org and check them out there. So let me just, you know, let me just close out with a couple of things.

01:54:41

You know, I know that some may think that this was a little hard on Babylon Bee. What the issue is, is that we take serious the gospel message.

01:54:50

And what I want to do is what they did not do. I want to explain what the gospel is and what I wanted to hear from them.

01:54:57

The gospel is very simply the fact that you and I, every one of us that are listening, watching, myself included, every one of us break

01:55:04

God's law. We lie. We steal. We covet. We blaspheme God's name.

01:55:10

We don't put him first and foremost in all things. We don't honor our father and mother.

01:55:15

These are the commandments that we know that we break and we've broken. And we're criminals in God's sight.

01:55:22

God, because he's infinitely holy and infinitely just, has an infinite consequence for us. And that is eternity in a lake of fire.

01:55:30

That we justly deserve because of how infinitely holy God is. But God made a way of escape.

01:55:37

God himself, the infinite God, came to earth, became a man, became part of his own creation, so that as God, he can pay an eternal fine.

01:55:47

And as a man, he could be a perfect substitute, never violating God's law, living a perfect life as a human body.

01:55:55

He was sentenced to death by his own creation, dying on a cross 2 ,000 years ago.

01:56:02

And when Jesus Christ did that, being infinite God, he can pay the fine for all eternity and for more than one person.

01:56:12

Temporal being can only pay for one person, but they'd have to be innocent and none of us are. He paid the price that we could never pay by who he is, by who

01:56:23

Jesus is, being fully God, fully man. And because of that, the justice was served fully at the cross.

01:56:33

Justice was served because Jesus experienced the full consequence of eternal punishment because he's an eternal being.

01:56:42

And in doing so, he can now offer us mercy. And in offering us mercy, we can be forgiven of sin.

01:56:52

What do we do? Well, very simple. God is the one that brings us to repentance. He works through us in such a way that we turn to him.

01:57:02

It's called repentance. We change our thinking. What do we change our thinking about? Thinking that we're a good person or that we could do good works.

01:57:10

Thinking to the fact that what Jesus did on the cross and that alone offers us the forgiveness of sin.

01:57:17

So we have to change our thinking from pride and self to Jesus Christ. That's what repentance is.

01:57:23

We repent. We turn from self to Christ and accept what Jesus did as a punishment on the cross, as a serving for our punishment.

01:57:33

We accept his gift of salvation. The question is, and if I was speaking to Elon Musk, this is what

01:57:43

I would explain to him. I would be asking him, have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything?

01:57:50

I would ask him those things. He already said earlier in the podcast, he's too wicked or not wicked enough or something to, you know,

01:57:58

I think he says he's too wicked to be a Christian. Is that a word I forget? But he already knows he's a wicked person.

01:58:05

The reality is that we do not deserve eternal life, but God offers it.

01:58:15

Turn to Christ and live. And if God brings you to repentance, you know what?

01:58:21

Get a Bible and start reading it. That's what you do. That's the gospel message. And that's what

01:58:26

Elon needed to hear. So we're, like I said, next week we're going to, we'll be on, we hope to have two guests.

01:58:33

One, an International Church of Christ member who I would argue is in a cult.

01:58:39

He believes baptismal regeneration and things like that. We'll discuss with him. We're also going to have an unbeliever come in.

01:58:46

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slash support. If you could support us monthly, that would be a tremendous blessing. Last couple of years has been difficult for everyone, but we appreciate every gift you could give.

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And so we just want to thank you and just ask you to consider praying for the ministry at Striving for Eternity.

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If you have a church where you'd like one of us to come out and speak at your church, please let us know.

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Contact us. You can contact us at info at strivingforeternity .org, info at strivingforeternity .org.

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That is how you get ahold of us there. So just reach out to us, let us know, and until next week, remember to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God.