November 29, 2017 Show with Chris Rosebrough on “God Did Not Create You For a Purpose or a ‘Dream Destiny'”

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Excuse me for the scratchy throat here. I'm delighted to have back on the program a returning guest Who I have grown to love to interview and has and who has grown to be a very popular guest amongst listeners in the iron sharpens iron radio audience and that is Chris Rose, bro.

Chris is a confessional Lutheran and pastor of Kongsvinger Lutheran Church in Oslo, Minnesota. He also runs pirate Christian radio and hosts the fighting for the faith program. Today we are going to be addressing a very controversial theme and That is did or should I say God did not create you for a purpose or a dream?

Destiny. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Chris Rose, bro.

Thanks for having me back Chris.

And let me repeat our Email address for those of you listening who would like to ask a question of your own of Chris Rose, bro. Our email address is. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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That would compel you not to identify yourself. And before we go into the topic at hand. I know this may seem redundant to you and to those of my listeners who have already heard you on the program. But we are getting new listeners.

It seems every single day joining our audience. So please tell our listeners first of all what you mean by a confessional Lutheran and.

Believe that the doctrines there then revealed. So if I think I'm a confession my ordination vow.

Yes, and I am a big fan of confessional Christianity. I am personally a confessional Reformed Baptist. The church where I am a member is or should I say are an Adherent to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith also known as the second London confession and I think that confessions are valuable number one because they give an official record of what that church stands for when you enter in to that building and begin to worship with these folks if you are Seeking membership wherever that church is.

It's good to have an official record of exactly what they believe and it also I think Can be an effective guardrail not an infallible guardrail, but an effective guardrail especially for future generations from verging off the road into heretical Side trail Teachings and so on.

A church would actually if they're gonna be honest they would have to abandon the confession that was already held to officially by the church in order to really Enter into some kind of an apostate understanding of things or a deeply heretical understanding.

Would you agree with that? And as I have often said to people who are anti creedal and anti confessional I Remind them that in reality, they are Confessional and creedal they just adhere to bad confessions or creeds or they don't write that down.

Because actually to the very statement I am NOT a confessional Christian is a creedal statement or a confessional statement.

Yeah.

Very quickly a humorous story. At least I thought it was humorous. When I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who was also a radio client of mine who was a fundamentalist Baptist and very anti confessional he was saying.

The difference between you and me is you believe in the 1689 London Baptist Confession and I believe in the Bible. He said to me so I said, well you do realize that the confession is just a summary of biblical teachings.

And by the way This friend of mine happened to be a co-host of a fundamentalist Baptist radio program that he shared the air time with. Probably 15 to 20 different fundamentalist Baptist churches and they had a manual that they gave very specific details on who was qualified to host.

Alongside with them the fundamental Baptist forum, which was the name of the radio program. And you know what the church? that that pastor was a where that pastor was serving what that church had to believe and This manual was about 20 to 30 times the size of the 1689.

I.

Said you do realize this is a confession of faith that you have compiled here and that it's even more it's even more detailed Than mine. It's about 20 to 30 times the length and it is filled with much more Speculation about what you think the Bible would teach than is actually in the Bible.

Yeah. So anyway, I just thought that was funny. But let me just let me just read. I think this will be encouraging to you Chris a listener in Dublin Ireland Joe Riley Posted he actually posted an mp3 of an interview that I had with one of your friends a pastor Brian Wolf Mueller and He said I have to say I have really found a lot of the iron sharpens iron interviews with Lutheran ministers Extremely edifying.

As a confessionally reformed Calvinist myself I have been learning a lot about the differences between Conservative Lutheranism and my own positions on the Lord's table baptism election free will the Atonement, etc.

Also seeing the areas we hold in common I think there are misunderstandings on both sides. No doubt this interview stood out to me as pastor Brian Wolf Mueller seemed to really listen and take in where we are coming from as well as Explain his own side.

Good interview Chris so I just wanted to encourage you that even some of my diehard Calvinist listeners are finding the interviews with you and your your Lutheran brethren Edifying and of course when I say Lutheran brethren, I'm not talking about the denomination Talking about your fellow Lutherans.

But.

But we are oh, yeah before we even go into that. Let's also briefly let our listeners know about Kongsvinger Lutheran Church in Oslo, Minnesota and pirate Christian radio.

Yeah. Yes, well one of your.

Friends Rod Rosenblatt has for quite a long time. I don't know if he still is but for many years he was co-hosting the white horse in program alongside with Michael Horton and Kim Riddle Barger and Ken Jones and Is.

Is Rod still doing that?

I think he is. Yeah, I'm sure Rod would love to hear that by the way.

Great and Just to let our Lutheran listeners know today. You may be happy to know that I do have another interview coming up On January 4th, which I'm sorry January 8th. Monday January 8th From 4 to 6 p .m with Scott Keith.

And he is with the 1517 legacy project we're going to be discussing his book on fatherhood. So you might want to yes, and so our listeners Especially our Lutheran listeners might want to mark that down on your on your calendars.

That's Monday January 8th 4 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time, and we're gonna be giving away free copies of his book and I think it's called being dad Fatherhood. Reflecting no fatherhood is a picture of the grace of God.

Is that the title? I can't remember. Well, so mark your calendars for that. Oh and Of fighting for the faith tell our listeners about that program that you specifically host. Great and we will be giving you all contact information on how to take advantage of pirate Christian radio and fighting for the faith and also how you can visit the Kongsvinger Lutheran Church if you happen to be visiting Oslo, Minnesota or if you live there and A listener just told me that the title of Scott Keith's book is being dad Father as a picture of God's grace and the forward was written by Rod Rosenblatt.

There you go. And so we are talking today about a very controversial subject. I think that the first half of the title that you wanted to Use as our theme today may shock some. The part that says God did not create you for a purpose that may stop people in their tracks even people from both of our.

Fellowships.

Both are reformed and Lutheran fellowships. When I say what what does he mean by that? God did not create us for a purpose and the second part is something that you're going to have to define and That is a dream destiny.

God did not create you for a purpose or a dream destiny first of all. Define what you mean by the first half of this theme which may Immediately on the on the surface. Anyway, give a knee-jerk reaction of shock horror or disapproval at the very least from some of our listeners.

Now.

What you.

Said immediately reminded me of a story and perhaps you could verify whether the story is true. And perhaps you could also clean up any mistakes I made in the repeating of it. Very short story where a cobbler Approached Martin Luther and says something to the effect Of I want to bring my wife and children with me on the mission field and be a missionary overseas.

Do you have any advice for me and Luther? According to this story said to the cobbler my advice to you is make a good shoe and sell it at a fair price. So my telling this story accurately and is it a true story?

Now some people might immediately say well this this idea of God not creating us for a purpose Can't always be true. And then my point to people like Mary the mother of Christ for instance That she was obviously created In part to bring the Messiah in to the world in human flesh.

Would you deny the idea or the concept that someone that is just one example of God creating someone for a purpose?

That is what I call the dream destiny gonna need his heart and even in the people in the New Testament and I can believe.

That if you have that approach especially when you are either evangelizing people or preaching to people or just conversing with people if they really buy into this idea of a dream destiny and really believe it and take hold of it they are setting themselves up for an extremely anticlimactic life that that may even cause them to lose faith or or become crippled by Depression and self-pity because they had this idea that there was going to be some earth-shattering way that they were going to be used by God and they wind up just having an ordinary life a godly life a faithful life perhaps but an ordinary one.

And there's nothing wrong with an ordinary life if it is built upon the scriptures and a love for God and and of course is Marked by obedience to God, but but can be and is most often going to be nonetheless ordinary.

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We are discussing God did not create you for a purpose or a dream destiny. Our email address if you have a question is chris arnzen at gmail .com. Chris arnzen at gmail .com chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

Uh chris before I go to any of our listener questions Uh, this seems to me to be a very common thing. Perhaps even especially in secular media with non-christians where children Are being raised from infancy with this notion that they can do anything They want to do as long as they set their mind to it almost like a power of positive thinking kind of a thing uh, and this is a very dangerous thing to be in instilling in our children's, uh minds and hearts, isn't it?

Yeah, no, it really is. I mean i'm was in the name of the father son and the holy spirit teaching all that. And achieve your destiny. You need to not listen now, how do we follow your.

Uh guidance and counsel here uh biblically driven, of course without Falling into the trap or while preventing ourselves and our children and others from falling into the trap of not Aiming any higher than mediocrity in our lives.

There are people that we all know. Uh, and some of it, uh, some of those people may be ourselves Who have been given extraordinary gifts of god from god uh that are being wasted, uh people who now i'm.

I'm giving a caveat here. I don't want anybody to be offended by what i'm about to say. Because there is nothing.

Wrong.

Or there is nothing. Uh, not noble and praiseworthy about Being faithful to jobs such as being a janitor or anything like that, but there are people who are perhaps even more artistically talented than anybody.

Whose works are hanging in the louvre or things like that? There may be people who have just such extraordinary gifts perhaps it's even uh teaching the scriptures That is their gift and yet they are doing nothing.

But uh staying in in jobs that have nothing to do with those gifts like You know being a janitor or being something else where where their gift is just totally being hidden under a bushel and being wasted.

How do you prevent? How do you prevent? Uh. That from happening while at the same time using taking heed to your counsel and your teaching here today.

Okay, so so the scenario you have set up where we are. God on this.

I'm gonna read for you. A question from joe in slovenia. And have you answer it when we return from our midway station break? Uh, and i've also just emailed you. I forwarded you joe's email with his question and joe's uh question is dear brothers.

Chris thank. Thanks so much. To two of my favorite polemicists for teaming up for the gospel. I totally agree that we are not created for a purpose in the sense that the synergistic mega church gurus masquerading as pastors teach.

However, we are created for biblical purposes loving and serving god and neighbor that result in multiple forms of daily ministry. Would it be better to not flatly deny? That we are created for a purpose but rather created.

I'm, sorry, but rather correctly define That purpose for which we are created biblically. Love and respect you both. Stay the course and fight the good fight. That's joe in slovenia. And we will have you uh answer that question.

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