September 7, 2022 Show with Gary DeMar on “Black Elites Promote Abortion in the Name of God”

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Dr. Peter Van Cleek affirming and Dr. James R. White opposing or denying.

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Christian education. And we are right now just trying to determine the exact date when

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Pete Hegseth will be on the program. And that will be a first -time interview with Pete on Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio, so I'm very enthusiastic about that as well.

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But one of my favorite guests to interview, and it is very clear that he is one of the favorite guests that I've had on the program with my audience, is

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Gary DeMar, who received his MDiv at Reform Theological Seminary. He is president at American Vision, author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 35 books, and he has been a featured guest on nearly every major news media outlet.

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Today we're going to be starting off among several hot topics that are facing the church and the world today.

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But we're going to start off with Black Elites Promote Abortion in the Name of God. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio, Gary DeMar.

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Good to be back. And Gary, before we go into our theme, do you have any new books on the fire that you're working on?

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I finished a book called The Case for America's Christian Heritage. That is all done.

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We're waiting to get some quotes back from printers. Printing business today is like so many other things, kind of hung up on supply chain issues regarding paper, bindery.

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They were backlogged because of COVID, trying to find employees. But the book is finished.

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It'll be a full -color book, lots of images, lots of quotations dealing with the arguments regarding America's Christian past and the role that the

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Enlightenment played in it, and pretty much fundamental arguments that secularists and some

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Christians bring up about the founding of America. Well, if anybody wants more details about anything that Gary is involved in, go to americanvision .org,

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americanvision .org. I'm also here to promote the 2023 conference titled

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The Right Response that features Gary DeMar, in addition to my dear friend who

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I just mentioned earlier, Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries. Now, I know that it is very early for you to be very detailed about what you're speaking on and that sort of thing, but what can you tell us about this conference that you already know?

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I always tell people that I really don't know what I'm going to speak on. I usually work that out on the plane flight to the conference.

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Well, you can find out more about this conference.

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We'll be mentioning it when we have more information from time to time in the show, and hopefully even having all of the speakers at this conference interviewed.

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You can go to rightresponseministries .com, rightresponseministries .com,

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and you will get all the details. And I am going to try to be there myself.

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I believe it is being held in Texas, if I'm not mistaken. Do you even... Yeah, Georgetown, Texas, which is,

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I believe, north of Austin. And I believe we're just going to be dealing,

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I think, with some eschatological issues and not just purely exegetical material, but the implications of eschatology to relate to where we are today.

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It should be interesting. I think there's been a major shift taking place on the topic of eschatology, and I think it's good that we get this more out into the open because there are implications to people's eschatological views.

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I was interviewed by Michael Horton a couple of weeks ago about the

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Christians in politics and so forth, and he had asked a very pertinent question, which is, what are the implications of eschatology on something like cultural issues and political issues?

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And that needs to be discussed more often than it has been in the past because I think too much of the eschatological force has been on we're living in the end of the world,

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Jesus is coming back soon, all the signs are there, therefore why bother with the world because we're going to be raptured out of here anyway.

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So very, very important to discuss this topic. Now that's interesting that Mike Horton, an old friend of mine, going back to the early 1990s, interviewed him a number of times.

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In fact, he preached at the church where I was saved on Long Island, New York, and I wasn't able to be present because sadly that was the night of my mother's funeral.

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But I've known Mike Horton so long, he was asking me to try to fix him up with a

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Christian girlfriend. But it's interesting that he interviewed you because he is certainly not known for being an advocate of post -millennial eschatology or theonomy.

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So was he adversarial in his conversation with you? I know that amillennialists do have a lot in common with post -millennialists, but tell us about that.

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No, no, he was not adversarial at all. I mean, there were good questions that he asked. He sent me a list of those questions ahead of time, so it's not like I was going to be caught off guard.

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But I've heard almost every conceivable question there is on that particular topic.

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When you do this enough, you do it for 40 years. In fact, when I kind of gave a little rendition of kind of eschatological thought,

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Michael even said, oh, you've done this before, and of course he knew I had. So no, and I wasn't the only one interviewed.

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I believe he had interviewed four people pretty much on the same topic. But because of my interest in eschatology and my work in the area of eschatology, it became something that he needed to ask me, because it's one of the reasons why

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I got into this whole eschatological debate in the first place, because I wrote a series of books back in the 80s called

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God and Government. And when I went out to speak on the topic, invariably there'd be somebody in the audience who would say, why are we bothering with this?

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Jesus is coming back soon, and all that. And remember, this was in the 80s when Hal Lindsey had somewhat predicted that the 1980s was going to be the end.

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He said Israel became a nation again in 1948, and he said that was prophetically significant based upon Matthew 24, 32, and the fig tree generation, and then a generation was 40 years.

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And you can do the math, 1948 plus 40 is 1988. And of course, 1988 came and went, and then there was also the book by Edgar Wisnitz called 88

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Reasons Why the Raptures in 1988, and then Chuck Smith did the same sort of thing. So there was a preoccupation with this immediacy of the rapture of the church.

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Now, not every premillennialist believed that, and not every dispensationist believed that, but it was a very popular view.

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Late Great Planet Earth sold in the neighborhood of 20 -some million copies, and the whole thing was revived again with the

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Left Behind series, which just recapitulated everything that was said but set no date.

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But a lot of people have gravitated to this position and can't really see any other position out there because they hear of wars and rumors of wars, and we don't hear famines that much anymore, but people claim weather conditions and earthquakes and all that, and then say, well, how could things get any better?

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Look how bad everything is. And I think it has affected numerous

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Christians over the years about why bother, because it's the end. And I've even gotten emails as recently as a few weeks ago from people who held that position, and they actually made life -changing decisions based upon that eschatological position.

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And, in fact, the recent speech by Joe Biden in Philadelphia, I think, may even have many post -millennialists believing he is the

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Antichrist. That is quite a blood -curdling speech that he gave.

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Yeah, and look, this is important. I know this wasn't our initial topic, but this is important.

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When people see stuff like that, they do make this jump. But they made the jump in the 1920s and even earlier than that.

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There's a whole history of this. We published a book a number of years ago by Frank Gummerloch called The Day and the Hour, where he went over nearly 2 ,000 years of this predicting based upon the same types of things.

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In 1926, Oswald J. Smith came out with a book on the Antichrist, and it was supposed to be Mussolini was the

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Antichrist. And then, of course, Adolf Hitler was the big, big Antichrist. And then, most recently,

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Mikhail Gorbachev died, and I have a couple books in my library where he was the

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Antichrist. And then, of course, Russia invades Ukraine, and so there, that's going to be a fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

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You can just go on and on with this. There's nothing new in any of this, but I think what we're seeing here is the unraveling of secularism.

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And this is what typically happens. The left overplays its hand, and as a result of that, they come up with extremist positions, and then you end up paying for the consequences of those because the end doesn't take place.

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What you end up having is, with the Russian Revolution or the French Revolution, you have a horrible, horrible situation taking place where literally, communism in the 20th century, 100 million people died, but we're still here even after all of that.

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But I know people say, oh, it's different this time. It's possible that it's different this time, but Christians need to wake up.

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They need to get involved in every area of life, and they need to get involved politically, not to see politics as their savior, but to see that politics is not their savior.

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And so to get involved and to decrease the power of the civil magistrate, get it back to its constitutional base, close down numerous agencies that have no constitutional basis and are bankrupting us, and then turn things over based upon the

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Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution back to the states. And you can't do that if you believe we're living, you know, that Jesus will come back at any moment and rapture us out of here, and there's no other position out there that can counter that.

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Well, there are numerous positions out there that can counter that. The Apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 3 says, they will not make further progress, for their folly will be obvious to all.

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And what we're seeing today is the folly of unbelieving thought. You got Christians, you got people out there who are literally killing their future in terms of abortion.

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They are literally castrating themselves in terms of progeny.

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I mean, you look at what the left is doing, and it is a self -destructive worldview.

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And it advances in a culture because people don't fight against it.

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And Christians, unfortunately, are the worst at this. They give up too quickly, and they just say, well, we really shouldn't be involved in politics.

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And you can all hear, you know, Jesus didn't get mixed up in politics. You can't impose your morality on other people.

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There's a separation between church and state. Our citizenship is in heaven. You know, we're not supposed to judge.

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You hear all of these cliches that keep people out of the battle that we are facing today.

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Well, the first thing that we are going to highlight in our conversation today is black elites promote abortion in the name of God.

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This actually has been a sad and tragic problem for decades. But in a day and age when there are far more television channels, you have cable news, and you have the

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Internet, these kinds of things are more prominent in the eyes and ears of the populace.

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And I was even very sad, and even though I never viewed, or at least as long as I can remember after becoming a regenerate believer,

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I have not viewed Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as my brother in Christ, but I always held him in a favorable light in other ways.

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I mean, he was an apostate. He denied the pillars of the faith, and he was an adulterer, which is now proven beyond a doubt and even supported as fact by people who are strong allies of Dr.

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King. But I was duped, if you will, or I don't know if it was a purposeful thing, so maybe that's a poor word, but I believed because of many pro -life folks claiming

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Dr. King was pro -life and claiming with reasonable certainty that if he had lived past the legalization of abortion, that he would have been a champion for the rights of the unborn.

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I had believed that, having read excerpts of things he said here and there that seemed to prove that he had some kind of a view of the sacredness of life before birth.

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But then I had Virgil Walker on my program recently. I don't know if you know Virgil, but Virgil is...

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Yeah, I do. In fact, Virgil is one of the narrators of Larry Elder's new documentary,

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Uncle Tom 2. But I had Virgil Walker on recently on the theme

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My Letter to Black Pastors, A Challenge to Repent from the Apathy Over an

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Advocacy of Abortion Infanticide, and he clued me in to something that I did not know.

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Martin Luther King was a pro -abortionist and was the first recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award.

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I didn't even realize that. But tell us about what you wanted to say today about this horrific thing that is being more frequently heard and seen in the media about black elites promoting abortion in the name of God.

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Well, one of the other things is, you mentioned Margaret Sanger Award. I mean, Planned Parenthood, if you go back and read the...

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It wasn't called Planned Parenthood back then. It's escaping me as to what it was. Probably hit me in about 10 minutes or so.

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And they went... Planned Parenthood went into minority communities and actually recruited black pastors to help promote abortion.

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And there have been a number of times when Planned Parenthood actually put a black woman in charge of Planned Parenthood.

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So this isn't anything new among the black population.

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This has been going on for a very, very long time. And one of the reasons why a lot of blacks support abortion is they are elitist.

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They're very much like whites who support abortion. They are elitist.

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Certain types of black people shouldn't have children in the same way that certain types of white people shouldn't have children.

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Again, there is... You mean in their rhetoric and propaganda. In their rhetoric and propaganda, not in yours.

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Yeah, I mean, this is what... I mean, this has been their message. And look, politics is a mean and nasty game.

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And people will pick a position to gain votes and then change that position once they've gained those votes.

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I mean, it was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama came out initially not supporting homosexual marriage.

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So they had a number of Christians, probably a pretty good percentage of them, who ended up voting for them because, well, they're going to support the sanctity of marriage.

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Well, as soon as they got into power, they flipped because they saw where the winds were going on all this.

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And then Jesse Jackson, years ago, claiming that abortion was black genocide.

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That's right. Yeah, I don't know if Virgil talked about Jesse Jackson and all this, but as soon as he ran for president and he knew where the political winds were blowing at that time, he changed his position.

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So what's interesting, what's happening among those on the left is that they're starting to use the

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Bible to support their positions on things. For the longest time, you find anybody who quoted the

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Bible was imposing their religion on other people, but only conservatives can be condemned for using the

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Bible. But when Hillary Clinton was asked of what her favorite book was, she said, the

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Bible. And because she knew that there were a number of people, the middle of the roaders out there, who aren't really clued in on things, that she could capture a lot of those because she was speaking religiously on things and thought, you know, she's not lying to us, and while I don't like, you know,

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I've got problems with the Republicans, you know, maybe Hillary Clinton is the middle of the roader here.

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So this has been a technique used for a very, very long time. I just saw something the other day where a black representative said, isn't it great that God gave us two arms, because on one arm we can get the

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COVID shot, and on the other arm we can get the flu shot? Yes, I saw that. I mean,

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I'm thinking, last year

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I had my left kidney removed, and people come up to me, they say, isn't it great that you have two kidneys? Well, yeah, it is great, and I'm really thankful I do have two, well,

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I did have two kidneys. But, you know, we don't have two livers, we don't have two hearts and so forth, so it's not a great argument, but again,

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I am thankful that it was just my kidney. So a good friend, I don't know if you knew who

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Marshall Foster was, but he had pancreatic cancer, and that's pretty much a death sentence.

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But again, the left is using the

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Bible in order to make its case, and one of the things, the way that they're doing this is, this is what

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Al Sharpton, he urged Democrats to change the message on abortion, and I'm quoting now, in a way that is about choice, it's not about saying,

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I support abortion or not. And so for Sharpton aborting, and I think what we need to do as Christians and conservatives, we need to stop using the word abortion.

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We need to start using the phrase killing, developing babies in their mother's womb.

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Language means something, and we need to start changing the language. It's no accident that the homosexual movement switched everything from sodomy and even homosexuality to the fact gay rights.

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Why did they do that? To mask what their worldview, and they've done the same thing with abortion.

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It's about choice, and so we need to start saying it's about killing unborn babies, and so we need to change the debate to that.

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In fact, do you agree with Jeff Durbin and others who actually say, even further, we should stop using the term pro -life and call it, call our cause abortion abolition or murder abolition?

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I mean, yeah. The pro -life thing is because the left turns that around. Oh, so you're against the death penalty.

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I don't think that, I think pro -life is not a good way to do this either. I think we need to start calling it killing unborn babies.

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That's very simple. What do you mean killing unborn babies? That's what I'm talking about, killing unborn babies.

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That will immediately shift the debate. It would immediately force the other side to say, wait a minute, they're not babies.

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They're not human beings, and say, and I'm going to use a personal example here, but people could use something similar.

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The first granddaughter we had was born a month prematurely, and so that means that there was another month that most women have their babies in the womb.

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The baby is still in the womb, and the Democrats have come out and said now that we believe in abortion from the time of conception to the time of actual birth, and you could say even after that.

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Some are even advocating that, that families should be given maybe two or three weeks to determine whether or not they want to keep this.

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Unbelievable. So that means that my son and his wife, with their newborn baby that was born a month prematurely, hey, why doesn't, why wouldn't she have the choice to kill that thing?

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She has a month to make that decision. So what we keep, we need to force, push the antithesis, force them to live consistently with their worldview.

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Don't allow them to use their language. We need to use our language and force them to, you know, force them to understand what this debate is really all about.

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And the American people, when they hear this over and over and over again, they start saying, well, wait a minute. Yeah, they're killing unborn babies.

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That's what this is all about. I think the word abolition, I just don't think it's a good,

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I don't think it's good enough. I don't think it's specific enough. I think we need to start using killing unborn babies.

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That's right. In fact, I was surprised when I interviewed Jeff Durbin, perhaps a year ago, when he is working in the front lines with his fellow congregants at Apologia Church in Arizona at the abortion mills, and they've rescued hundreds of babies from the slaughterhouse.

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He has told me that every single woman that they confront who is going into that slaughterhouse knows that they're murdering their baby.

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And I was totally surprised by that. Yeah, this is how bad it's gotten.

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Look, I love Jeff Durbin. He's doing a great, he's done a great, great work. And Jeff is a guy who acts in terms of what he believes because he and Candy, his wife, adopted a baby.

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That's right. And they were told that the baby had spina bifida.

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They still adopted this baby and providentially in God's providence, and they don't really know what happened.

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The baby, of course, we found out didn't have spina bifida. But anyway, they, in fact, they walk the talk.

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They believe, they act on what they believe. I'm just talking about language here.

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This is the whole, all these movements that we hear today, language is extremely important to them.

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And we need to understand what the language is. And now, of course, we won't get, no one would interview me, if that's the kind of language

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I'm going to use. And I remember somebody coming to our office some time ago, wanted to interview me on,

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I think, on the whole homosexual debate here in Atlanta. This was back in 1996 when the

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Olympics were here in Atlanta. It was a big hullabaloo about whether Cobb County should get any of the county commissioners would not permit homosexual couples to be insured by the county.

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And I said, look, the only way I will agree to an interview with you is only if the interview is live.

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I will not do an interview with you if it's recorded, and you figure out what I'm going to say. Of course, they wouldn't do it.

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So anyway, every political movement we find today is based upon language and the use of language and how it's used.

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Social Security, I forget what the real name of Obamacare is.

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It wasn't called that. But it's always this flowery word. How could you be opposed to that?

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Yeah, a wording that would, if you opposed it, would make you sound like a Mormon, a moron.

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Like it used to be global warming, now it's climate change. Yeah, oh, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, because they said, hey, we can't do this because it was global cooling and global warming.

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We need to come up with a different phraseology. And now it's climate change. Well, the climate's always changing.

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They may be insane and evil, but they're not stupid. In fact, could you pick up right where you left off there, because we have to go to our first break.

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Okay. And if you have a question for Gary DeMar, send it to ChrisArnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state and country of residence.

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We're now back with Gary DeMar of American Vision. We have been beginning our discussion today by discussing

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Black Elites Promote Abortion in the Name of God. Before we go to any listener questions, we were right before the break talking about how leftists constantly reword their battle flags, if you will, to make them more and more simplistic and reflecting something that if you just take the sloganry word for word, it would be somebody that everybody in their right mind would believe and to object to their slogans would make you sound like you're an idiot.

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And we were talking about how global warming became climate change. But if you could just pick up where we left off there.

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Yeah, I mean, the Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act.

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I mean, who wouldn't be supporting that?

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I mean, affordable and it's going to care for me? I'm voting for it. In fact, even pro -choice became women's health care.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Abortion has become health care. The Reduce Inflation Act, which is what we, you know, another boondoggle of a bill.

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And Frankie Schaefer, who is the son of Francis Schaefer, this was before Frankie went off the deep end and got woke.

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In his book, The Myth of Neutrality, he wrote this. He said, think of the use of labels to categorize political activity.

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Some labels are used to neutralize the actions of certain groups. Others denote being one of us acceptable.

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The words right wing, fundamentalist, pro -life, absolutist and deeply religious are put down more than categories.

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Conversely, think of the unspoken pat on the back and blessing that the following words convey.

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Moderate, pluralistic, liberal, civil libertarian, pragmatic and enlightened.

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And this is, I think this is one of the reasons why we don't win the argument is because we have, we've ceded the other side the message.

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This is the message and we are going to argue in terms of the message. I think it's a huge mistake.

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I think we need to stop using words like socialism. People don't have the slightest idea what you mean by socialism.

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They don't even know what Marxism is. Socialism, people say, well, why wouldn't we want to be social?

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Social, you know, is a good thing. And I love the

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Marx brothers. They were my favorite comedians. Yeah, people don't, they don't have any idea what

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Marxism is. You've got to take the language. You have to take the language in terms of where people are today and understanding those things so they can get specifically,

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I know exactly what you mean by this. Yeah, in fact, when a conservative uses the label

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Marxist, they are immediately labeled as a McCarthyite, even after all these decades.

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Yeah, and even the word, you know, conservative, I mean, that doesn't really say a whole lot either.

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And I remember I taught a Christian worldview class at a brand -new Christian school, so we had kids coming in from all over the place.

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And a couple of these kids talked about, you know, gay rights, da -da -da -da -da -da -da.

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And I immediately described what homosexuality was and why it was called homosexuality.

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And their jaws dropped. I just described it. That was the end of the discussion for the entire semester because they never really thought about it.

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Today, people would say, if people want to do that, that's fine and so forth. But today it's different because, you know, you can't oppose it.

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You have to use certain pronouns. There's a guy in Ireland teaching at a school who wouldn't use they and them for, you know, and they arrested the guy, fired him and then arrested the guy.

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So the things have gone beyond just a debate over terms. They've got the message has now become part of law enforcing compliance on things.

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And, you know, this gets back to the way we've argued our case over the years. And unfortunately, we haven't done a very good job of it.

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Yes. Even in Biden's recent speech, he refers to our opposition to same sex marriages.

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They want to stop people from marrying each other who love each other or something similar to that.

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And does Biden believe a father can marry his daughter? Does Biden believe a mother can marry his son or father marry his son or brothers marry each other or daughters, sisters marry each other?

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Yeah. And I know they brought up the thing. So now they will outlaw mixed race marriages because of the pro the returning

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Roe v. Wade. And, you know, it's again, there's a difference between there's a difference between killing unborn babies and a person's race.

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Race isn't behavior. Killing unborn babies is a behavior.

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Homosexuality, transgenderism, and that whole mess, those are behaviors. Think about the number of genders we have today.

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When I was in school and I took Greek in seminary, in certain languages there are genders that have nothing to do with sex.

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We need to start using the word sex again. There aren't these many genders.

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There are two sexes and even a number of scientists are finally coming out and saying there are only two sexes.

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There are some issues related to some people born with dual genitalia and so forth and so forth.

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That's a medical condition. So we need to recapture the language. And the left has captured the language of choice.

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And it's interesting that on the whole issue of transgenderism, we as Christians oddly have many allies now that are feminists.

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Yeah, they've been quiet for a very long time. And even when guys who are claiming to be women are winning these championships, where are the feminists on this?

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And there aren't that many of them that are speaking out on it. It took someone like David Chappelle to make the issue.

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But more and more people are coming out, and there is a great deal of pushback on this. But like Al Sharpton, he says, look, the word choice resonates with people.

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And as a result of that, he's using the word choice.

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Whoopi Goldberg and others are using it as well. And the frightening thing here is you have black men and women using abortion, the black community, killing their future, saying this is a good thing to do.

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This is a good economic choice for you to kill your future. And you imagine the same type of thing that is taking place among slaves.

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Well, we need this woman to work for us, so we're going to force an abortion on her.

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It's the same type of thing here. And what's amazing is even liberal blacks of decades past, like the

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Black Panthers, were opposed to abortion because they recognized what it was. It was an effort to annihilate their race.

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Yeah, everything is racist. I just saw something today about trampolining is racist.

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But the only thing that isn't racist among people who are always playing the race card is abortion.

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They can't see it. It's right in front of them that abortion is, in fact, racist.

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And we should not be surprised that a number of black people support abortion.

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Thomas Sowell is a terrific writer. Anybody who's interested in economics and so forth needs to read

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Thomas Sowell's book. And one of the ones he needs to read is Ethnic America. And it goes through the very ethnic peoples and so forth coming to the

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United States and all that. And read the chapter on blacks and the different types of black people, whether they're

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Caribbean blacks or African blacks, there was a difference in the way that they were looked on by other black people.

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So don't think blacks can't be racist among their own people.

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So here you have Sharpton, who comes out and says, women should be able to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.

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And we need to say, so what you're saying is, you are saying that women should be able to choose whether or not they want to kill their unborn children.

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And he goes on to say, even if it is something that I do not believe in. So he's saying, look,

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I might be personally opposed to abortion, but I can't stop other people from making that choice.

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Which is the worst position to hold. Oh, it is. Yeah. And I would say my first question to Al Sharpton would be, why are you personally opposed?

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What is it about abortion that you're opposed to? And if he can't answer that and says, well, you're just saying that in order to not skirt the issue.

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I want to know why you are personally opposed. That used to be Biden's position. I'm personally opposed, but the women has to have a right.

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Yeah. Yeah. Killing an unborn child is quite different from a woman piercing her tongue or getting a tattoo.

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Those are personal choices. Those are authentic choices about what a woman chooses to do with her own body.

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And again, we have a media today that is not going to allow this to happen.

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But what has to happen is that Christian pastors need to get up and talk about these things from the pulpit.

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And I know a lot of them are afraid to do it because you have to know what you're talking about.

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Plus, you probably have losing possibly some elders or some people who have lots of money in the church whose children or wives have actually had abortions and they're afraid of losing them.

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You've got to pay the price for your own choices as to what you're going to do in terms of abortion.

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The same thing happened during the slavery in the United States. We had pastors who didn't speak up on it because possible there were people in their church, in the churches that had slaves and were against the abolition movement.

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So I wonder if Sharpton believes that buying and selling black people is a choice that should be rejected, should be respected.

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While some people might be against other people choosing to purchase and keep slaves, in the end, it's all about choice. Right. We have to go to our midway break right now.

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It is all about the history of why we even have an abortion industry today, all rooted in eugenics and white racism, a desire to see blacks eliminated and eradicated from the face of the earth.

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And this is a really astonishing documentary primarily hosted by black people who are vehemently opposed to the murder of unborn children.

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So go to M as in Michael, A, A, F as in Frank, A, 21 .com. It is a production of Life Dynamics, and it's really powerful.

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I don't know if you've ever seen it, Gary, but I think it's really extraordinary. Yeah, I'm familiar with the site, and anyone who's interested in this topic, which everyone should be, if you have black friends,

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Christian friends, even non -Christians who support abortion, they need to go to that site and watch this and read the material on the site, because it will give you really the down and dirty of what was going on among leftists and how they are working to destroy the black race.

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So you've got the destruction of the black race through abortion, and then you have the denigration of blacks who want to leave the plantation of the

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Democrat Party. You've got a number of things going on here. This has always been a struggle for power and money by the elitists in our culture, and that's what we're having today.

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And one sad thing, I have had men like Virgil Walker and Daryl Bernard Harrison, two friends of mine who have been on this show a number of times, they have told me that although your average citizen who happens to have black skin may even be aligned with the

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Democratic Party and political liberalism in many areas, there was a time for decades where they drew the line predominantly against homosexuality, same -sex marriage, transgender stuff.

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And sadly, they have told me since the election of Barack Obama, that seems to have crumbled, and you have more and more the case that your average black person is supporting these things.

01:25:50

So why don't you move into our next topic, transgender historical revisionism.

01:25:58

Well, this again has really come out of probably the psychiatric world, and it's all about here a person has a particular body that is saying one thing to them, but their inner self, this is kind of a narcissism that's developed within our culture today, where your feelings, your inward thoughts are much more important and considered to be more legitimate than what you're seeing with your own eyes.

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And so people, they don't feel comfortable within their own skin, and so they are now being told, well, maybe it's because you're really not what your feelings are.

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You're not what your body is, it's about what your feelings are. And Carl Truman has written probably the definitive work on this, and I can't think of the title of the book right now, but Carl Truman deals with this in explicit detail, and this is the whole idea of transgenderism.

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You are not what you're seeing on the outside. And this is because the focus of all this has been on the inner self, that you are what you feel.

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And as a result of that, you can be anything you want.

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Now, are you referring to the book that I interviewed Carl on, The Rise and Triumph of the

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Modern Self, or are you talking about a brand new one, Strange New World? Yeah, the

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Rise and Triumph book is a real scholarly attack on what

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I've just mentioned here, and he lays out the history of it and so forth and so on. And he was compelled to write something of a less scholarly nature, and that is

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Strange New World, which is a paperback, not as big, but it lays out the same types of arguments, and it's really worth reading.

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Again, Strange New World, I think these come from Crossway. I think it was published by Crossway, and his articles are always good.

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The way he weaves in all the history and the psychological movements and the

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Marxism and Nietzsche and Kierkegaard and so many of these other people, and, of course,

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Freud, all of this is a background. This stuff just didn't fall out of the tree. There's a great deal of history behind this, weaving these various worldviews within the context of our world today, displacing

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Christianity, redefining what men and women are, redefining what the nature of the self is.

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And, of course, when you don't have any fixed basis in order to make these determinations, then you can be anything you want.

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And we have to go to our final break. It will be briefer than the last break. If you have questions, send them in as soon as you can, because we are running out of time.

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Any suggestions? Yeah, that's a very good question. But you're dealing with somebody who may be born with both genitalia.

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Well, that's a physical medical issue. When you talked about transgenderism, there is none of that at all.

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People aren't born with two genders. They may be born with two sexual equipment, if you will.

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In many cases, a decision has to be made, whether male or female, based upon something that is actually medical and not just a feeling.

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I would recommend that there's an interesting article. It's called, A Molecular Geneticist Makes It Clear That Women Can't Be Men.

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And this particular doctor brings up that very issue about people born with two sexual apparatus with them.

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But that is taken care of. That's always been the case. But no one ever saw that as related to different genders in people, where now we have like 60 or 70 different genders.

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And so there are many geneticists out there and there are many scientists out there who are finally coming out and saying, there are only two sexes, male and female.

01:46:50

But people are so muddled with all of this because I saw something just recently.

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Almost 25 % of Democrats think men can get pregnant. If you've got people actually believing that men can get pregnant, then we have a mind problem here.

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We have a thinking problem here. These aren't men.

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These are women who claim to be men who still have the sexual reproductive organs in them.

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So somebody who had their ovaries taken out and so forth, that woman who claims to be a man is never going to get pregnant.

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And I don't care how many men, those who have the genetics of a male, decide that they're women now.

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They're never going to get pregnant. That's just never going to happen. But where are we in our culture today, where 25 % of Democrats think men can get pregnant?

01:48:03

Do they understand the nature of the categories of what these words mean? What's happening is, you've got the public schools pushing this nonsense, and they're trying to push it younger and younger on these children.

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And then California wants to pass laws saying that if a child, like they did with abortion, if a teenager wants to get an abortion, parents do not have to be told about this, which is a medical procedure and dangerous, and also killing an unborn child.

01:48:35

Now they want to do the same thing with this gender transition here, with hormones and so forth and so on, going around the parents, parents not even knowing that this transition is taking place.

01:48:49

And look, I have nine grandchildren, and I guarantee you the youngest ones have no conception of this.

01:48:58

They would look at me askance and say, Papa, are you crazy? Because they've been brought up in homes where common sense, biblical values are imparted.

01:49:11

And you know, when I'm with them, I'm constantly quizzing them on things and forcing them to think logically, forcing them to think in terms of reasonable arguments, thinking in terms of biblical values.

01:49:24

And it's gotten so bad that you've got, there's an article I've read here where, it's called transgender historical revisionism.

01:49:36

And the social media users ridiculed a recent Scientific America documentary claiming that before the late, think of it, this is what is passed off as historical fact.

01:49:49

Before the late 18th century, Western science recognized only one sex, the male sex, and that the two -sex model served mainly to reinforce gender and racial division.

01:50:03

So according to this, before the 18th century, well, people only believed in one sex.

01:50:10

Well, look, I don't care what a person believes about the Bible, but I can guarantee you what we read in the

01:50:16

Bible is not, is long before the 18th century, long before the 18th century.

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No matter if you're an atheist or anyone else, everybody knows that the Bible was written millennia ago, and from the very beginning in what the

01:50:31

Bible reads, there are only two sexes. God made them male and female. And all you have to do is read the

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Proverbs and you will see the same thing, male and female. And you will see that men and women were on the same equality level here.

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You have the book of Proverbs, the woman who goes out and gets a job and she starts a business and so forth. Women were elevated in Scripture.

01:50:54

The first to hear the message of the promised Messiah was, in fact, a woman.

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And, I mean, the women who went to the tomb of Jesus afterwards, women everywhere in Scripture.

01:51:08

But this is what's being taught. This sort of historic revisionism and scientific revisionism, if you send your kids to public schools, which are dominated by this sort of thing, they're going to come out crazy.

01:51:23

They're going to come out insane and they're going to believe the dumbest things, and some of these dumb things are very permanent in terms of removing organs and taking supplements in terms of inhibiting hormonal growth and so forth.

01:51:41

This is crazy, crazy and dangerous stuff. And I'm very glad that, it may be going on in other places, but Fox News has been televising interviews with people who have been mutilated sexually because they believed themselves to be transgendered.

01:51:59

And they have had whatever they could do to reverse the situation, that which is not irreversible, and these people are traumatized and they are on the verge of breaking down mentally over what they've done to themselves and what people have encouraged them to do to themselves.

01:52:22

Oh yeah, I mean, this historical revisionism, this article, isn't isolated to the classroom, textbooks, or social media.

01:52:34

Anthropologists, I'm reading from an article, anthropologists are being pressured to stop identifying bodies in tombs as male or female.

01:52:45

Historical figures like Joan of Arc are being redefined as transgender, and the overriding goal is to reimagine a history in which men and women didn't exist until being invented by imperialistic

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Westerners to repress the non -Westerns they were colonized. I mean, this is being passed off as science, it's being passed off as history, this is what's coming down the pike.

01:53:13

And a lot of people, because they haven't been taught to think, and have not been able to think logically beyond black and white and gray and all these other shades in between, get caught up in this thing and they think they're being scientific by going along with this nonsense.

01:53:29

Now, do you think anybody really believes in this stuff, or is it just a response out of fear, they don't want to be ostracized in the community or viewed as anti -intellectual or a bigot, whatever the case may be?

01:53:41

I mean, I have a hard time believing anybody really believes this. Well, you know, money talks, and a lot of the stuff, think about the climate change stuff.

01:53:54

The reason this is being pushed is because people get money. People get money to study climate change.

01:53:59

People don't get money to study that there is no climate change. People get money, there are foundations out there run by homosexuals who give money to people to study this and to write papers on it.

01:54:12

This is the way it works. Power and money is the basis of a lot of it.

01:54:18

That's why the Bible talks about the love of money as the root of all kinds of evil. Nothing has changed.

01:54:24

Same thing politically. Why do these guys change their positions? Why did Stacey Abrams, who's running for governor, change her view on abortion or on homosexuality?

01:54:34

Why did Bill Clinton do it? Why did Barack Obama do it? Why did Jesse Jackson do it? Because they saw the political winds, and there's money involved in this.

01:54:42

Well, with Barack Obama, he was outed by Joe Biden as far as the same -sex marriage issue was concerned.

01:54:50

Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Are we that cynical to think that these people do it for power and money?

01:54:58

Well, I'm just telling you that people will do all kinds of things for power and money, prestige, and to be liked in the community.

01:55:08

Young kids join gangs because they want to be part of the group, and they will do almost anything to stay within that gang and to be part of this new family that's out there that protects them and accepts them.

01:55:25

I don't think it's that much different for people who wear suits and ties. And remember the laughably ridiculous and pathetic interview that we all saw in the media when

01:55:42

Katonji Brown Jackson was being interviewed before her appointment to the

01:55:48

Supreme Court and asked the simple question, what is a woman? And she couldn't even keep up with her own leftist party's rhetoric because she said she wasn't a biologist, but that's not supposed to have anything to do with whether you're a woman according to them.

01:56:04

I mean, can you imagine? This is a Supreme Court justice here. If she can't give a definition of what a woman is, can she give a definition of anything?

01:56:14

I don't know why someone didn't ask her, are you a woman? That would have been… Oh, yeah, you're right.

01:56:20

That would have been perfect. Are you a woman? Yes or no? No one asked her the question.

01:56:27

Now, remember the years from a decade or more ago going even back to the 50s, a little bit predating me, but the first sex change operation,

01:56:43

Christine Jorgensen, was in 1952. And if you recall, whenever you would see, like on Phil Donahue or any of these shows throughout the decades, a person for ratings purposes because it was such a shock value kind of a thing, they would have a so -called sex change operation patient come out and be interviewed.

01:57:09

It was always that this person went under rigorous psychological examination for months, maybe even years, before the physicians would be willing to perform surgery on this person.

01:57:24

They wanted to make sure the person wasn't a raving lunatic. And now you don't even hear anything about that anymore, and you have little kids making the decision to have their bodies mutilated.

01:57:34

Oh, I know. I know. And this movie actress, Ellen Page, and now she's

01:57:42

Elliot Page, and she had her sex organs literally ripped out of her body. Wow. And then if you look at Cher's daughter, what a travesty that turned out to be.

01:57:56

People go along with this because feelings trump morality today.

01:58:02

Most people don't have any basis for morality. They've been told that you cannot have permanent moral values.

01:58:12

There's no source in terms of morality, in terms of a person's own feelings, and this is where we are.

01:58:20

And even Cher was initially opposed to Chastity having this surgery.

01:58:25

And if you go back and read the history of all of this, Chastity Bono, she will tell you that she was seduced and raped by a lesbian babysitter.

01:58:37

Wow. So she was messed up quite from the beginning on all of this, and her sexual identity was probably completely mutilated.

01:58:47

Her mother was always in some new relationship as well after she divorced

01:58:52

Sonny Bono. Well, we are out of time. I want to repeat again that the conference that Dr.

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James White, Dr. Joseph Boot, Joel Webbin, and my guest today, Gary DeMar, are participating in from May 5th through the 7th in 2023.

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You can find out more details about this conference, which involves eschatology primarily. You can go to WriteResponseConference .com,

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WriteResponseConference .com. And don't forget about American Vision, where there is a treasure trove of information there.

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AmericanVision .org, the website of my guest, Gary DeMar, AmericanVision .org.

01:59:43

Gary, I loved interviewing you again. You were extraordinary as you always are.

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I hope you return soon and often. And I want everybody to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater