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Is gary demar who received his m div at reform theological seminary?

He is president at american vision author of countless essays news articles and more

than 35 books.

And he has been a featured guest on nearly every major news media outlet today.

We're going to be starting off with among several Hot

topics that are facing the church in the world today.

But we're going to start off with black elites promote abortion in the name of god.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron trump and zion radio gary demar.

And gary before we go into our theme do you have any.

New books on the fire that you're working on for

america's christian heritage.

That is all done.

I'm just we're waiting to

printers,

it'll

be

a.

The fact.

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features Gary demar in addition to my dear friend who I just mentioned earlier.

Dr. James r white of alpha and omega ministries.

Now I know that it is very early for you to Be very detailed about what you're

speaking on and that.

Sort of thing.

But what can you tell us about this conference that you already know?

We worked that out

on the plane flight to the conference.

Well, uh, you can uh find out more about this conference.

We'll be uh.

Mentioning it when we have more information from time to time in the show and hopefully even

having all of the speakers at this conference interviewed.

You can go to right response ministries .com.

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And you will get all the details.

And uh, I am going to try to be there myself.

Uh, I believe it is being held in texas if i'm not mistaken.

Do you even yeah

george?

Yeah, george.

North.

Uh, it could be

interesting I

think

because there

are implications to interviewed, um

by michael horton a couple of weeks ago and forth.

He had asked a very pertinent question is is what the what the implications of eschatology.

On.

And that needs to be discussed.

Now that's interesting that mike horton an old friend of mine uh going back to

the early 1990s, um interviewed him a number of times.

In fact, he preached at the church where I was saved on long island new york and I wasn't able to be

present because Sadly that was the night of my mother's funeral.

But uh, i've known mike horton so long he was asking me to try to fix him up

with a christian girlfriend.

But uh, but it's interesting that he interviewed you because uh, he is certainly not known for

being an advocate of post -millennial eschatology or theonomy.

So was he Adversarial in his conversation with you or was he.

I know that all millennialists do have a lot in common with post -millennialists, but.

But uh, tell us about that.

It was not adversarial at all.

I mean, they were good list of those questions ahead of time.

So it's not like I was going to be caught off guard, but you know i've heard I've heard every

Almost every conceivable question there is on on that particular topic when you do this enough you do that for 40 years.

In fact when I kind of gave a little

Michael even said oh you've done this before and of course he knew I had.

Uh, so no it was and I wasn't the only one interview I believe he

had interviewed or because of my interest in eschatology and my work in the

Area of eschatology it become it became something that he needed to ask me because it's something.

What's one of the reasons why I got into this whole eschatological debate?

In the first place because I wrote a It's called god and government and when I went out

to speak on the topic invariably There'd be somebody in the audience who would say why are we bothering with this?

Jesus is coming back soon and all that and remember this was in the 80s when hal lindsey

had somewhat predicted That the 1980s was going to be the end.

He said israel became a nation again in 1948 and he said that was prophetically significant

based upon matthew 24 32 and the fake tree generation and then a generation was 40

years and you can do the math 1948 plus 40 is 1988.

And uh, of course 1988 came and went.

And then there was also the book by edgar wisnett called 88 reasons why the raptures in 1988 and

then chuck smith did the same sort of thing.

So there was a preoccupation.

With this immediacy of this of the the rapture of the church now not every pre

-millennialist believed that not every Dispensation was believed that but it was a very popular view of late

great planet earth sold in the neighborhood of 20 some million copies.

And the whole thing was revived again with the left behind.

Seriated everything that was said a lot of people

have gravitated to this position and can't really see any other Position out there because

they hear of wars and rumors of wars and we don't hear famines that much anymore.

But people claim weather conditions and earthquakes and all that.

Uh, and then say well, how could things get any better look how bad everything is.

And uh, and I think it has affected.

You know numerous christians over the years about you know, why bother why bother because it's the end

and i've even gotten emails.

As recently as a few weeks ago from from people who held that position and they actually made

life -changing decisions based upon that eschatological position.

And in fact the recent speech by joe biden in philadelphia, I think

May even have many post -millennialists believing he is the anti -christ.

That is quite a blood -curdling Speech that he gave.

Yeah, and

published

a book a number of years ago by frank gummerloch called the day in the hour.

Where he he went over like nearly 2 000 years of this predicting based upon the same types of things.

But in 1926 oswald j smith came out with a book on the anti -christ and it was supposed to be mussolini was the

anti -christ.

And then of course adolf hitler was a big big anti -christ.

And then most recently, uh, mikhail gorbachev died and I have a couple books in my

library where he was the anti -christ.

Uh, and then of course russia russia invades ukraine and so there that's that's going to be a fulfillment of

ezekiel 38 and 39.

Uh, you can just go on and on with this.

There's nothing new in any of this.

But what I think what we're seeing here is the unraveling of secularism,

they.

And this is what typically happens.

The the the left overplays its hand and as a result of that

uh, they make they come up with extremist positions and.

What and what happened then you end up paying for the consequences of those because the end doesn't take place.

What you end up happening is with the russian revolution and or the the french revolution.

You have a horrible horrible situation taking place.

We're literally communism in the 20th century.

You know 100 million people died but we're still here even uh, but I know

people say oh it's different this time.

It it's possible that it's different this time, but christians need to wake up.

They need to get involved in every area of life.

And they need to be they need to get involved politically.

Not to see politics as their savior, but to see that politics is not their savior.

And so to get involved and to decrease the power of the civil magistrate.

You know get it back to its its

Constitutional base for bankrupting us

and then turn things over based upon the ninth and tenth amendments to the constitution back to the states.

And you can't do that if you believe we're living, you know that you know Jesus come back at any moment and rapture us out

of here and there's no there's no.

Out there that can counter that.

Well, there are numerous positions out there that can counter that apostle paul in second timothy three.

Says they will not make further progress for their folly will be obvious to all and what we're seeing today is

the folly of Unbelieving thought you got you got christians.

You got people out there who are literally killing their future in terms of abortion.

They are they are cast literally castrating themselves in terms of Progeny,

uh, I mean you you look at what the left is doing and it is a self -destructive worldview

and it it it advances in a culture because There are people don't fight

against it and christians, unfortunately are the worst at this, uh, they give up too quickly.

And they just say well, we really shouldn't be involved in politics and you can all hear, you know Jesus didn't get jesus didn't get mixed

up in politics.

You can't impose your morality on other people.

There's a separation between church and state.

Our citizenship is in heaven, you know, you can't we're not supposed to judge.

You're all these these cliches to keep people out of the battle that we're

well the first thing that we are going to highlight.

In our conversation today is black elites promote abortion in the name of god

uh The this actually has been a sad and tragic problem for

decades, but in a day and age When there are far more

television channels Uh, you have cable news and you have the

internet.

These kinds of things are more prominent in the eyes and ears of the

populace and I was even very sad and even though

uh, I never viewed or at least Uh as long as I can remember after becoming a

regenerate believer I have not viewed dr. Martin Luther king jr.

As my brother in christ but I always uh Held him in a

favorable light in other ways.

I mean he was an apostate.

He was he denied the pillars of the faith uh.

And he was an adulterer which is now proven beyond a doubt and even Supported as

fact by people who are strong allies of dr. King but I

was um Duped if you will or Or I don't know

if it was a purposeful thing.

So maybe that's a poor word, but I believed because of many pro -life folks

claiming dr. King Was pro -life and claiming with reasonable certainty

that if he had lived past the legalization of abortion

that uh, he would have Uh been a a champion for the rights of the

unborn.

I had believed that having read excerpts of things he said here and there that seemed to

uh Seemed to prove that he had some kind of a view of the sacredness of life before

birth.

But then I had virgil walker on my program recently I don't know if you know virgil, but virgil

yeah, in fact virgil is one of the narrators of

uh, larry elder's new documentary uncle tom 2 but I

had uh Virgil walker on recently on the theme my letter to black pastors a challenge to repent

from the apathy over and advocacy of abortion Infanticide

and he clued me in to something that I did not know.

Martin luther king was a pro -abortionist and was the first recipient of the margaret sanger award.

I didn't even realize that but uh, tell us about what you wanted to say today about

this horrific uh Thing that is being more frequently heard

and seen in the media about black elites promoting abortion in the name of god well.

They went planned parenthood

went into minority community recruited black

in

charge of planned parenthood.

And so this this isn't any this isn't anything new among among uh

Black population.

Uh, this is this has been going and one of the reasons why a lot of

Blacks they are elitist.

They're very much like whites who support abortion.

They are elitist.

Certain type.

Again, there is you

mean in their rhetoric rhetoric and propaganda.

Not In their rhetoric and propaganda not in yours.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean that's I mean, this is what I mean, this is this has been their message.

Um, and

I mean it

was bill clinton.

Came out initially.

Uh, so they had had a number of christians were good probably a pretty good percentage of them who ended up voting

for them because.

Sanctity of marriage.

Well as soon as they got into power, they you know, they they

flipped and then you had jesse jackson years ago.

Claiming that abortion was black genocide.

Uh, so, you know, that's right.

Yeah I don't know virtual as soon as

he ran for president and he knew where the political winds were were blowing at that time.

He changed his position.

Uh, so what what's interesting what's happening among those on the left.

Is that they're starting to use the bible?

To support their positions on things for the longest time.

You find anybody who quoted the bible was, you know, imposing their religion on other people, but

the only conservatives.

Only conservatives can be condemned.

For for using the bible.

Uh, but when was she said the bible?

Uh, and because she knew that there were there were a number of people the middle of the rotors out there who.

She could capture a lot of those because she was speaking religiously on things and thought.

You know, she's not lying to us and well, I don't like you know, I've got problems I've got problems with with the

republicans, you know, maybe maybe hillary clinton is a middle of road middle of the rotor here.

So this this this has been a technique used for a very very long time.

I just saw something the other day.

Uh, isn't it great that god gave us

two arms?

Because on one arm we can get the cove arm.

We can get the flu shot.

Yes.

I saw that I mean i'm I'm, i'm thinking.

That kidney removed the people come up to me.

I they say isn't it great that you have two kidneys?

Well, yeah, it is great.

Uh, we don't have two livers we don't have two hearts and so forth so it's not it's not a great argument.

But again, I am thankful that it was just my kidney.

So you knew marshall foster cancer and that but but

again, we're back we're There the left is using the bible in order to

make its case.

And one of the things this is this is what al sharpton.

He urged democrats to to change the message on abortion.

And i'm quoting now in a way that is about choice.

It's not about saying I support abortion or so for

for for sharpton aborting and we I think I think what we need to do Is as christians and

conservatives we need to stop using the word abortion.

We need to start using the phrase killing developing babies on in their mother's

womb we.

Language means something and we need to start changing the language.

It's no accident that the homosexual movement Uh, you know switched everything from sodomy and

even homosexuality.

To the fact gay rights.

Why did they do that?

To mask what and

it's about choice and so.

We need to start saying it's about killing unborn babies.

And so we need to debate to that.

In fact, uh.

Do you agree with jeff durbin and others who actually say.

Even further we should stop using the term pro -life and call it the whole our cause

abortion abolition or murder abolition.

I think pro

-life is not a good way to do this either.

I think we we need to start calling it killing unborn babies.

That's very simple.

Right.

What do you mean killing unborn babies?

Right?

I'm talking about killing unborn babies that That will immediately shift the debate.

It would immediately force the other side to say wait a minute.

They're not babies.

They're not human beings.

And say and I i'm going to use a personal example here, but people could use something similar.

Granddaughter We had was born a prematurely.

And so that means that there was another month that most women have their babies in the

womb.

The baby is still in the womb and the democrats have come out and said now that we believe in abortion.

And you could say even after that.

Uh, some are even advocating that that that family should be given maybe two or three weeks to determine whether or not

they want to keep this.

Unbelievable.

So so that means that means that my my son and and his wife

would.

Why doesn't why wouldn't she have the choice?

To kill.

She has a month to make that decision.

So what we keep we need to force push the antithesis.

Force them to live consistently with their worldview.

Don't allow them to use their language.

We need to use our language and force understand

what this debate is really all about.

And the american people when they hear this over and over and over again, they start saying well, wait a minute.

Yeah, they're killing unborn babies.

That's what this is all about.

I think I think the the word abolition.

I just don't think it's a good.

I don't think it's good enough.

I don't think it's specific enough.

I think we need to start using killing.

Killing unborn babies.

That's right.

In fact, I was surprised when I interviewed jeff durbin perhaps a year ago

uh.

When he is working in the front lines with his fellow congregants at

apologia church in arizona.

At the abortion mills uh.

And they've rescued hundreds of babies from the slaughterhouse.

He has told me that every single woman that they confront who is going into that

slaughterhouse Knows that they're murdering their baby.

And I was totally surprised by that.

Yeah, they look.

I love jeff durbin.

He's doing a great.

He's done a great great work.

And this is and jeff is a guy he

believed because he and his and candy his wife adopted a baby.

That's right.

And the They were told that the baby had spine.

They still adopted this baby and providentially in god's God's providence and we don't they don't

really know what happened.

The baby the baby, of course that

they they they in fact they walk

The talk they they believe they they act on what they believe.

I'm just talking about language here.

This is the the whole all these movements that we hear today.

Language is extremely important.

We need to understand what the language is.

And now of course we won't get no one would interview me If that's the kind of language i'm going to use and I remember

somebody coming To our office some time ago Wanted to interview me on on I think

on the whole homosexual debate here in the atlanta this is back in the 19 1996 when the The

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It was a big hell of a hullabaloo about Whether cobb county should get any of the olympics

because of the county commissioners uh would not

Be insured by by the county.

And I said look the only way I will agree to an interview with you is only if

The interview is live.

I will not do an interview with you if it's recorded and you think about what i'm going to say.

Of course, they wouldn't they wouldn't do it and

every every every political Movement we find

today is based upon Language and the use of language and how it's used

social security uh, you know the um the the What I

forget how what what the real name of obamacare Is it wasn't it wasn't called that but it's always

always this flowery word, right?

How could you be opposed to that and a yeah a wording?

Uh that would.

If you opposed it would make you sound like a mormon a mormon a moron.

Like it used to be global warming now.

It's climate change, you know.

Geology and now it's climate change.

Well, the climate's always changing.

They may be insane and evil, but they're not stupid.

And in fact, could you pick up right where you left off there because we have to go to our first break.

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And we're now back with gary demar of American vision we are have been

Beginning our discussion today by discussing black elites promote abortion in the name of God before we go to

any listener questions.

We were right before the break Talking about how leftists constantly reword

Their battle flags if you will To make them more and

more Simplistic and reflecting.

Something that if you just take the slogan reword for word It would be somebody that everybody in

their right mind would believe and to object to their slogans would make you sound like you're an Idiot, but

and we were talking about how global warming became climate change, but if you could just pick up where we left off there.

Yeah, I mean it for the

Who wouldn't be.

Portable and it's going to care for me.

I'm voting for.

In fact, even even pro -choice became women's health care.

Yeah.

Abortion has become health

Inflation.

I Frankie Schaefer.

Frankie went off the deep end and got

woke myth of neutrality.

He wrote this he said think of think of the use of labels to Categorize political

activity.

Some labels are used to neutralize the actions of certain groups.

Others denote being one of us acceptable being

fundamentalist pro -life absolutist and deeply religious.

Or put that Conversely think of the unspoken pat on the back and

blessing that the following words convey moderate pluralistic liberal

Civil libertarian and this is.

I think this is one of the reasons why the argument is because

we Seated the other

songs of the message.

I think it's a huge mistake.

I'm at a slightest idea what you mean by socialism.

They don't know what Marxism is right.

Socialism people said.

Well, why wouldn't we want to be socially the socials, you know, it's a good thing.

So and I love the Marx Brothers.

They're my they were my favorite comedians.

Yeah, people don't they don't have any that idea what Marxism is.

You've got to take the language.

You have to take the language in in terms of where people are today.

Understanding those things so they can they can get specifically.

I know exactly what you mean by this.

Yeah, in fact when you when a conservative uses the label Marxist, they are immediately labeled

as a McCarthyite even after all these decades.

Taught a world Christian worldview class at a brand new Christian school.

So we had kids coming in from all over the place and a couple of these kids talked about Homicide, you know,

oh, you know gay gay rights that it is that it and I I immediately

Immediately described what homosexuality was but

homosexuality.

And that was that was the end of the discussion for the whole entire semester.

Because they never really thought about it.

Wow today.

Today people said people want to do that.

That's fine.

And so forth that today it's different because You know, you you you can't oppose it.

You have to use certain pronouns.

There's a guy in Ireland teaching at a school.

Wouldn't use they and them for right or did the

guy?

Fired him and then arrested the guy so that the things have gone beyond just a debate over

terms they've got they've they've got the message has been now become part of law

enforcing compliance on things and You know, this gets back to the way.

We've argued our case over the years and unfortunately, we haven't done a very good good job of it.

Yes.

Even in Biden's recent speech he refers to our

opposition to same -sex marriages.

They want to stop people from marrying each other who love each other or something similar to that.

And does Biden believe a father can marry his daughter?

Does by Biden believe the mother can marry his son or father.

Marry his son or brothers.

Marry each other or daughters?

Sisters marry each other.

Yeah

Roe v. Wade again.

There's a difference between there's a difference between Killing unborn babies and a

person's race.

Race isn't behavior.

Killing unborn babies is a behavior.

Homosexuality Transgenderism and that whole mess.

Those are behaviors.

Think about the number of genders we have we have today.

We

start using

the word sex again.

You're not there aren't these many genders there.

Two sexes.

I'm coming out and say There is there are only two sexes.

There are.

You know some issues related to some people born with with so forth and so

forth, but that's a medical condition so we need to recapture the language and

the left has captured the language of choice and.

It's interesting that we eat on the on the whole issue of transgenderism.

We have many we as Christians oddly have many allies now that we're feminists.

Even when you know

guys who are claiming to be women are winning these championships

and there aren't that many of them That are speaking out on it.

It took someone like David Chappelle Right to make it make the issue.

But more and more people are coming out and there is a great deal of pushback on this.

But but the like Al Sharpton he resonates with people

and as a result of that Whoopi

Goldberg and others are using it as well.

And it was the frightening thing here is you have black

community

killing killing their future.

Saying this is a good thing to do.

This is a good economic choice for you to kill your future.

You imagine this is the same type of type of thing that is taking place among, you know, we

can't.

We need this woman to work for us.

So we're going to force an abortion on her.

And what's amazing is even the liberal blacks of decades past like the

Black Panthers were opposed to abortion because they recognized what it was.

It was an effort to annihilate their race.

Yeah.

Today now trampoline Trampolining is racist.

But the only thing that isn't racist among people who are always playing the race card is Abortion,

they can't see it.

It's right in front of them back racist and we should not be

surprised that black number of black people support abortion.

There's a Thomas Oh is a terrific writer.

Anybody anybody who's interested in economic excellent Needs to read Thomas Oh's book

and one of the ones he needs to read is ethnic America And so forth

coming to the United States and all that and read the read the chapter on blacks

and the different types of black people whether they're Caribbean

and black there was a difference in the way that they were they were were looked on by.

So don't think black can't be racist among their own.

Here you have Sharpton who comes out and says Women should be able to choose

Whether or not they want.

What you're saying is that you want to be able to choose whether or not they want to

kill Their unborn children.

And he goes on to say even if it is something that I do not believe in so he's

saying look I Might be personally opposed to abortion, but I can't stop other people from you

know.

Making that choice, which is the worst position to hold.

That used to be Biden's position.

I'm personally opposed but the women has to have a right.

Yeah, yeah killing an unborn child is quite different from a woman piercing her tongue or getting

a tattoo.

Those are personal choices.

Those are authentic choices about what a woman chooses to do again.

We have a media today that is not going to allow this to happen but what has to happen is that

Christian pastors need to get up and Talk about these things from the pulpit and I

know a lot of them are afraid to do it because you've got you have to Know what you're talking about.

Plus you probably have losing possibly some elders or some people who have lots of money in the church.

Whose children or wives have actually had abortions and they're afraid of losing them.

You've got to pay the price for your own choices as to what you're going to do.

In terms of Abortion the same thing happened during this

Slavery in the United States.

We had pastors who didn't speak up on it because Possible there were people in their church in the

churches that that had slaves and we're against the abolition movement.

I wonder if sharp sharpened believe That buying and selling black people is a choice

that should be reject.

It should be respected while some people might be against other people choosing to purchase and keep slaves in the end.

It's all about choice.

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Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania.

Who said I have heard that Senator Raphael Warnock?

Who currently pastors Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia.

Where you are from.

Has a so -called Christian apologetic to defend the murder of unborn children.

Have you ever seen or read its contents?

No, but worse a

walker

disease

and then retired

and then the

Bible if you're using the Bible is about choice.

And this is what I'm hearing more and more by the way from you know.

We'll be Goldberg and up you can go to heaven or

hell.

There's nowhere in the body saying look the Bible is all about choice.

Warnock and to realize

here will deals with for example.

People also choose to steal and murder.

So what we should what we should say is.

Following this is called forcing the antithesis or pushing the antithesis.

So this is all about choice.

So to steal and murder that

stealing stealing Black people from from the African continent bring him over

it was there.

It was they were just they were just choosing to do things here.

It's an unread the ridiculous argument.

And so it gets down to the what determined.

What a person chooses to do is the

terms of what God thinks about those choices.

And so yeah, the Bible does deal with the issue of choice.

The Bible says choose this day.

You know Cain and Abel.

Okay, so this whole idea of choice is a typical.

Typical tactic on the left what she

wants with her own body.

And again, we need to start pushing that and saying wait a minute.

Hold on.

This is not her own body say so.

Where do we get this theology of forcing someone when the reality is you can't even biblically base that

it's a question of choice.

Sharpton says you're a minister as I am you can preach to people to convert them.

You do not you do not make laws to compel them.

But Sharpton does make laws.

Tries to get our government to make laws for people to make what he considers to

be the right choices regarding race so again, this is this is

appealing to the lowest common denominator and and Warnock and and Al Sharpton

are right there and these these are.

These are ministers of the gospel supposedly telling people.

Hey killing your unborn child.

That's about choice.

If you want to choose to keep your child, that's okay.

If you want to you want to if you choose to kill your unborn baby, that's okay, too.

It's all about choice folks and you're making the biblical choice.

So now you are on God's side.

Yeah, and the the left -wing rhetoric in response to

us wanting to preserve and protect the life of the unborn is well you don't care

about the life of those children after they're born because of the fact that we Typically do not agree

with their leftist welfare policies and other things.

And you hear that too, but let me understand this and now I'm answering that the

abortionist using that arguments.

Let me understand that.

So you're saying is that if a child is born?

That the mother then could make a

choice not well

this one.

So I mean this these arguments are absolutely insane.

And by the way Trying to adopt in the United States today is very very

difficult and very expensive.

And there are people who are waiting we have a young pastor in our church who adopted its child it go all the way to

Texas in order to do this and then it then Adopted another child, but

these these are these children that are that are being Aborted today there.

There are literally tens of thousands of people who would love to adopt children

so that's just one other one of these arguments that That killing an unborn baby is simply a

discard of that of that child in order to promote a political Argument we do care

about it's unfortunate though that leftist Want to turn

them into slaves to the state or to keep them in power and then

to enslave these people even more, right?

I interviewed I guess it was probably a year ago a pastor in

Massachusetts on the issue of the great difficulty

he was having adopting Additional children.

He had a number of Biological children and a number of adopted children and he was adopting more and they

these were typically special needs children and He had he had to do the interview

Anonymously using a fake name and I told our audience that it was a fake name

but he had to do that because he was frightened about the leftist government of Massachusetts stopping the

abortion proceedings because a Pastor an evangelical pastor, which used to be

a no -brainer.

What a wonderful candidate for adopting parents

a minister and his wife now in certain areas that is a black mark

against you.

Yeah, right

if your

particular

legislation not

he could not call a Male.

Because from the school as a

result of that and so it look it's going to cut it's going to come down to this as.

Well, you've got to have these adoption agencies that are run by governments for the most part and saying well, wait What are

you views on transgender is what if your child that decides this adopted child decides?

That he is a she or she is your child

to you

see how all this is

Together here when you have a basis.

Why is anything?

Why was why was slavery wrong?

If

you're a

secularist

and evolutionist

in the white

accident, we

we've gotten that

there's no way to account for Morality in

anything with this is where we

are

today when you have

black born child and God

we have a Robert in.

Westchester County, Long Island, I'm sorry, not Long Island, Westchester County, New York.

Who says it is interesting that leftists for years? pretended

that Black Conservatives did not exist.

They ignored them and refused to feature them in any kind of media presentation

about their agenda.

But now they simply have switched their rhetoric to the fact that these black people are

white Supremacists because the number of them has grown so much.

They cannot ignore them any longer.

Isn't it an important thing to make sure that the populace knows that?

There is a very strong rise amongst black individuals who are very

conservative and reflective of the teachings of the scriptures.

Yeah, I

mean

and yet

against white if somebody if a

black person say Ben Carson, for example Uncle

Tom or Herschel Walker.

Here's Herschel Walker Raphael Warnock here in Georgia for the

Senate the

bidding of his white man.

Here you here you go.

Try to get black and

above Republican, I'll probably lose my job.

I'll be defaced in my own community and it goes on and on and on with all this.

These people are hell -bent on

the way our latch

on to that.

We can't permit people to have more and more children.

They'll become more and more conservative convince them that abortion

is the way to go for them.

You know get everything you want in life.

You know, you don't need to have children to go out there and get your job and you don't need

children.

So we're going to make abortion easy for you for you.

By the way, whenever we discuss issues like this. I always want to plug An

extraordinary documentary to my listeners.

It is called Mafa 21 and that is spelled M as in Michael a a F as in

Frank a 21 .com Mafa 21 .com and Mafa is a

Swahili word, which means genocide.

It is all about the history of Why we even have an abortion industry

today all rooted in eugenics and white racism

a desire to see blacks eliminated and Eradicated from the face of the earth and this is

a really astonishing documentary primarily hosted by black people

who are Vehemently opposed to the murder of unborn children.

So go to M as in Michael a a F as in Frank a 21 Comm it is a

production of life Dynamics and it's a really powerful.

I don't know if you've ever seen it Gary, but I think it's really extraordinary.

Yeah, I mean and anyone who is interested

everyone should be if you have black friends Christian friends

or should they need to go to that site and watch and Watch this and read the material

on the site because it will give you

among leftists and how they are.

Working to destroy the black race destruction of the black race through

abortion and.

Then you have you have the denigration of blacks, you

know the Democrat Party.

You've got a number of things going on here.

This is a it's always been a struggle for power and money by the elitist in our

culture.

And that's what we have in our that's what we're having today.

And one sad thing I have had men like Virgil Walker and Daryl

Bernard Harrison two friends of mine who have been on the show a number of times.

They have told me that although your average Citizen who

happens to have black skin May even be aligned with

the Democratic Party and political liberalism in Many areas there

was a time for decades Where they drew the line predominantly?

Against homosexuality same -sex marriage Transgender stuff.

And then sadly they have told me since the election of Barack Obama That seems to have

crumbled and you have more and more the case that your average Black person is

supporting these things.

So why don't you move into?

Our next topic transgender historical revisionism.

Well, this may come out of the kind of the probably the psychiatric

world and it's all about your body

that's developed within

within our culture today where your your feelings your inward

order to be more

Legitimate people don't they don't feel

they don't feel Comfortable within their own skin.

They're really not.

You're what your feelings are.

You're not what your body is, but what your feelings are.

And Carl Truman has written probably the definitive work on this and I

can't I can't think of the Title of the book right now, but Carl Truman deals with this

and explicit detail.

You are not

you're not what you're seeing on the out on the outside.

And this is because the focus of all this has been on the inner self.

That you are what you feel and as a result of that You can be

anything be anything you want.

Now, are you referring to? the book that I interviewed Carl on the rise and triumph of the

modern self or are you talking about a Brand new one strange new world how thinkers and I could.

Go ahead.

The right to

write something of a less scholarly nature and that

is strange New world, which is a paperback not as not as big but it lays out the same the the

same types of arguments.

And strange new world, I think

these come from project there think was published by Crossway and They and his

articles are always good and he's got The hit the way he weaves in all

the history and with this and the Psychological many

of these other people and all of this is a background this stuff just

there's a great deal of history behind this.

Weaving weaving these various world views within the context of our world today

displacing Christianity.

Re -redefining what men and women are redefining what the nature of this

self is.

And of course when you don't have any in order to make these determinations.

Then you you know, you could be anything.

You could be anything you anything you want.

And we have to go to our final break.

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We have an anonymous listener and He says how do you recommend

that those of us who are not scientists or doctors? Respond to the argument in

favor of Transgendered surgery.

That there are people who are born with both genders.

Even though this may be a tiny minority that sometimes can get people Tongue

-tied and stopped in their tracks with an inability to respond properly.

Any suggestions.

Yeah,

that's a very there is none of

that people aren't born with two genders they may be born with two.

You know

section in many cases you

have medical and not just that.

I would recommend that there's an interesting order.

You know

brings up

that but there that's always been the case.

But no one no one ever saw letters and people

were now we have like 60 or 70 different.

There are many there are many geneticists out there and there are many scientists out there who are finally coming out and

saying and female.

Muddled with all of this because I saw something just recently.

Almost 25 of Democrats think men can get pregnant

got people actually Believing that men can get pregnant.

Then we we have a mind problem here.

We have a thinking.

Well, these aren't really these aren't men.

These are women who claim to be men who still have they still have the sexual

Reproductive organs and so somebody

who is never

going to be a pregnant and I don't many men

who they're women now.

They're never they're never going to get pregnant.

That's just never going to happen.

But how where are we in our culture today?

Pregnant do they understand the nature of the categories of them?

The public schools pushing this nonsense and They're they're

trying to push it younger and younger on these these children and then California wants to pass

laws were saying that if a child like they did with abortion if Teenager wants to get

an abortion.

Parents aren't do not have to be told about this which is a medical procedure and dangerous and also killing unborn

child.

Now they want to do the same things with this transition.

Gender transition here with hormones and so forth and so around the parents

parents not even knowing that this transition is taking place and Look, I have nine

grandchildren and I Guarantee you the youngest ones have no

conception of they would they would look at me askance and say Papa Are you are you crazy?

Because they've been brought up in homes Where comical values

quizzing them on things and forcing them to think logically.

Forcing them to think in terms of reasonable arguments thinking in terms of biblical

values.

You've got There's an article I've read

here where the social

media users ridiculed a recent Scientific America Documentary claiming that before

the late eight.

Let's think of it.

This is what it passed off as historical Fact before the late 18th

century the Western science recognized only one sex.

The male sex and that the two -sex model served mainly to reinforce

gender and racial division.

So according to this before the 18th century.

Well people only believed in one sex

person believes about the Bible, but I can guarantee you What we read in the Bible is not is

Long before the 18th century long before the 18th century no matter you're an atheist or anyone else.

Everybody knows that the Bible was written and from the very beginning and

and what the Bible reads There are only two sexes.

God made them male and female.

It's a Proverbs and you will see the same thing male and female and you will see that men and

women were on the same Equality level here.

You have the book of Proverbs the woman who goes out and gets a job and she

the women were Elevated in Scripture the message of the promised

Messiah was in fact a woman

and women everywhere in Scripture.

But this is what's being taught this Scientific

revisionism if you if you send your kids to donated by this sort

of thing.

They're going to come out crazy.

They're going to come out insane and they're going to believe them the dumbest things and Some of

these dumb things are very permanent crazy

crazy and dangerous stuff, and I'm very glad that.

May be going on in other places, but Fox News has been televising interviews with

people who have been mutilated sexually because they believed themselves to be

Transgendered and they are have had whatever they could do to reverse the situation.

That which is not irreversible and these people are traumatized and they are

you know on the verge of Breaking down mentally over what they've done to themselves and

what people have encouraged them to do to themselves.

For the classroom

textbooks or social media.

Anthropologists, I'm reading from an article anthropologists are being pressured to stop Identifying

bodies and tombs as male or female historical figures like Joan of

Arc are being.

You know overriding goal is

to reimagine a history in which men and women didn't exist until being

Invented by imperialistic Westerners to repress the non Westerns.

They were colonized.

I mean, this is this is being passed off as science.

It's being passed off as history this is what's coming down the pike and a lot of people because they haven't been taught

to think and have not be able to Think logically beyond, you know, the black

and white and gray and all these other shades in between.

Get caught up in this thing and they think they're they're being scientific by going along with this nonsense.

Now, do you think anybody really believes in this stuff or is it just a response out of fear?

They don't want to be ostracized in the community or viewed as anti intellectual or a bigot.

Whatever the case may be.

I mean, I have a hard time believe.

Believing anybody really believes this.

Well, you know, I Money money talks and a lot of the stuff is you can't think about the

climate change stuff.

The reason this is being pushed because people get money people get money to study climate change.

People don't get money.

To study that there is no climate change.

People get money.

There are foundations out there run by homosexuals who give money to people to study this and the right

papers on.

This is this is the way it works.

Power and money is the basis of a lot of this.

Why the Bible talks about the love of love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

Nothing, nothing has changed same thing politically.

Why do these why do these guys change their positions?

Why did oh, why did Bill Clinton

do it?

Why did Barack Obama do it?

Why did Jesse Jackson do it.

Because they saw the political wins and there's money involved in this.

Well with Barack Obama.

He was outed by Joe Biden as far as the same -sex marriage issue was

concerned.

And you think are we that cynical to think that these people do it for power and money?

Well, I will do all kinds of things for

all kinds people kids kids young

kids.

Because they want to be part of the gang

and to be part of this new family.

That's out there that protects them and and accepts them.

I don't think why.

It's not much different for people who wear suits and tie.

And remember the laughably ridiculous and pathetic interview

that We all saw in the media when

Katonji Brown Jackson was being interviewed before her appointment to the Supreme Court and

Asked a simple question.

What is a woman.

And.

She couldn't even keep up with her own leftist parties Rhetoric because she said

she wasn't a biologist, but that's not supposed to have anything to do with whether you're a woman according to them.

I mean, can you bet this is a Supreme Court justice here if she's right and give a definition of what a woman

is.

Can she give a definition of anything?

I don't know why someone didn't ask her.

Are you a woman?

That would have been oh, yeah, you're right that would have been perfect.

Now remember the years from a decade or more ago

going even back to the 50s a little bit predating me, but

the first sex change operation Christine Jorgensen Was in

1952.

And if you recall whenever you would see like on Phil Donahue or any of these shows throughout

the decades a person for ratings purposes because it was so such a

shock value kind of a thing they would have a so -called sex change operation.

Patient come out and be interviewed.

It was always that this person went under rigorous Psychological examination for

months, maybe even years before the physicians would be willing to

Perform surgery on this person.

They wanted to make sure the person wasn't a raving lunatic.

And now you don't even hear anything about that anymore and you have little kids making the decision to have their bodies

mutilated.

Wow.

Feelings.

Trump morality today, right?

Most people don't have any basis or morality there.

They've been told that you cannot have permanent Moral values.

There's no source in terms of morality in terms of

we are and even share was initially opposed to.

Chastity having this surgery.

And if you go back and read the history of all

this lesbian babysitter.

Wow.

So she was messed up quite from the beginning on all of this.

And her sexual identity is you know.

It was probably completely belated.

Mother was, you know, it was always, you know, some new relationship as well after.

Well, we are out of time.

I want to repeat again that the conference that dr

James white dr. Joseph boot Joel webin and my guest today Gary DeMar

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Gary. I loved interviewing you again.

You were Extraordinary as you always are.

I hope you return soon and often and I want everybody to always remember for the rest of your lives that

Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior.

Then you are a sinner.