September 7, 2022 Show with Gary DeMar on “Black Elites Promote Abortion in the Name of God”

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Is gary demar who received his m div at reform theological seminary? He is president at american vision author of countless essays news articles and more than 35 books. And he has been a featured guest on nearly every major news media outlet today.

We're going to be starting off with among several Hot topics that are facing the church in the world today. But we're going to start off with black elites promote abortion in the name of god. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron trump and zion radio gary demar.

And gary before we go into our theme do you have any.

New books on the fire that you're working on for america's christian heritage. That is all done. I'm just we're waiting to printers, it'll be a.

The fact. Well if anybody wants more details about anything that gary is involved in go to americanvision .org. American vision .org. I'm also here to promote uh the 2023 conference titled the right response uh that features Gary demar in addition to my dear friend who I just mentioned earlier.

Dr. James r white of alpha and omega ministries. Now I know that it is very early for you to Be very detailed about what you're speaking on and that. Sort of thing. But what can you tell us about this conference that you already know?

We worked that out on the plane flight to the conference.

Well, uh, you can uh find out more about this conference. We'll be uh. Mentioning it when we have more information from time to time in the show and hopefully even having all of the speakers at this conference interviewed.

You can go to right response ministries .com. Right response ministries .com. And you will get all the details. And uh, I am going to try to be there myself. Uh, I believe it is being held in texas if i'm not mistaken.

Do you even yeah george? Yeah, george. North. Uh, it could be interesting I think because there are implications to interviewed, um by michael horton a couple of weeks ago and forth. He had asked a very pertinent question is is what the what the implications of eschatology.

On.

And that needs to be discussed.

Now that's interesting that mike horton an old friend of mine uh going back to the early 1990s, um interviewed him a number of times. In fact, he preached at the church where I was saved on long island new york and I wasn't able to be present because Sadly that was the night of my mother's funeral.

But uh, i've known mike horton so long he was asking me to try to fix him up with a christian girlfriend. But uh, but it's interesting that he interviewed you because uh, he is certainly not known for being an advocate of post-millennial eschatology or theonomy.

So was he Adversarial in his conversation with you or was he. I know that all millennialists do have a lot in common with post-millennialists, but.

But uh, tell us about that. It was not adversarial at all. I mean, they were good list of those questions ahead of time. So it's not like I was going to be caught off guard, but you know i've heard I've heard every Almost every conceivable question there is on on that particular topic when you do this enough you do that for 40 years.

In fact when I kind of gave a little Michael even said oh you've done this before and of course he knew I had. Uh, so no it was and I wasn't the only one interview I believe he had interviewed or because of my interest in eschatology and my work in the Area of eschatology it become it became something that he needed to ask me because it's something.

What's one of the reasons why I got into this whole eschatological debate? In the first place because I wrote a It's called god and government and when I went out to speak on the topic invariably There'd be somebody in the audience who would say why are we bothering with this?

Jesus is coming back soon and all that and remember this was in the 80s when hal lindsey had somewhat predicted That the 1980s was going to be the end. He said israel became a nation again in 1948 and he said that was prophetically significant based upon matthew 24 32 and the fake tree generation and then a generation was 40 years and you can do the math 1948 plus 40 is 1988.

And uh, of course 1988 came and went. And then there was also the book by edgar wisnett called 88 reasons why the raptures in 1988 and then chuck smith did the same sort of thing. So there was a preoccupation.

With this immediacy of this of the the rapture of the church now not every pre-millennialist believed that not every Dispensation was believed that but it was a very popular view of late great planet earth sold in the neighborhood of 20 some million copies.

And the whole thing was revived again with the left behind. Seriated everything that was said a lot of people have gravitated to this position and can't really see any other Position out there because they hear of wars and rumors of wars and we don't hear famines that much anymore.

But people claim weather conditions and earthquakes and all that. Uh, and then say well, how could things get any better look how bad everything is. And uh, and I think it has affected. You know numerous christians over the years about you know, why bother why bother because it's the end and i've even gotten emails.

As recently as a few weeks ago from from people who held that position and they actually made life-changing decisions based upon that eschatological position.

And in fact the recent speech by joe biden in philadelphia, I think May even have many post-millennialists believing he is the anti-christ. That is quite a blood-curdling Speech that he gave.

Yeah, and published a book a number of years ago by frank gummerloch called the day in the hour. Where he he went over like nearly 2 000 years of this predicting based upon the same types of things. But in 1926 oswald j smith came out with a book on the anti-christ and it was supposed to be mussolini was the anti-christ.

And then of course adolf hitler was a big big anti-christ. And then most recently, uh, mikhail gorbachev died and I have a couple books in my library where he was the anti-christ. Uh, and then of course russia russia invades ukraine and so there that's that's going to be a fulfillment of ezekiel 38 and 39.

Uh, you can just go on and on with this. There's nothing new in any of this. But what I think what we're seeing here is the unraveling of secularism, they. And this is what typically happens. The the the left overplays its hand and as a result of that uh, they make they come up with extremist positions and.

What and what happened then you end up paying for the consequences of those because the end doesn't take place. What you end up happening is with the russian revolution and or the the french revolution.

You have a horrible horrible situation taking place. We're literally communism in the 20th century. You know 100 million people died but we're still here even uh, but I know people say oh it's different this time.

It it's possible that it's different this time, but christians need to wake up. They need to get involved in every area of life. And they need to be they need to get involved politically. Not to see politics as their savior, but to see that politics is not their savior.

And so to get involved and to decrease the power of the civil magistrate. You know get it back to its its Constitutional base for bankrupting us and then turn things over based upon the ninth and tenth amendments to the constitution back to the states.

And you can't do that if you believe we're living, you know that you know Jesus come back at any moment and rapture us out of here and there's no there's no. Out there that can counter that. Well, there are numerous positions out there that can counter that apostle paul in second timothy three.

Says they will not make further progress for their folly will be obvious to all and what we're seeing today is the folly of Unbelieving thought you got you got christians. You got people out there who are literally killing their future in terms of abortion.

They are they are cast literally castrating themselves in terms of Progeny, uh, I mean you you look at what the left is doing and it is a self-destructive worldview and it it it advances in a culture because There are people don't fight against it and christians, unfortunately are the worst at this, uh, they give up too quickly.

And they just say well, we really shouldn't be involved in politics and you can all hear, you know Jesus didn't get jesus didn't get mixed up in politics. You can't impose your morality on other people.

There's a separation between church and state. Our citizenship is in heaven, you know, you can't we're not supposed to judge. You're all these these cliches to keep people out of the battle that we're well the first thing that we are going to highlight.

Black Abortion Advocacy and the Power of Language

In our conversation today is black elites promote abortion in the name of god uh The this actually has been a sad and tragic problem for decades, but in a day and age When there are far more television channels Uh, you have cable news and you have the internet.

These kinds of things are more prominent in the eyes and ears of the populace and I was even very sad and even though uh, I never viewed or at least Uh as long as I can remember after becoming a regenerate believer I have not viewed dr. Martin Luther king jr. As my brother in christ but I always uh Held him in a favorable light in other ways.

I mean he was an apostate. He was he denied the pillars of the faith uh. And he was an adulterer which is now proven beyond a doubt and even Supported as fact by people who are strong allies of dr. King but I was um Duped if you will or Or I don't know if it was a purposeful thing.

So maybe that's a poor word, but I believed because of many pro-life folks claiming dr. King Was pro-life and claiming with reasonable certainty that if he had lived past the legalization of abortion that uh, he would have Uh been a a champion for the rights of the unborn.

I had believed that having read excerpts of things he said here and there that seemed to uh Seemed to prove that he had some kind of a view of the sacredness of life before birth. But then I had virgil walker on my program recently I don't know if you know virgil, but virgil yeah, in fact virgil is one of the narrators of uh, larry elder's new documentary uncle tom 2 but I had uh Virgil walker on recently on the theme my letter to black pastors a challenge to repent from the apathy over and advocacy of abortion Infanticide and he clued me in to something that I did not know.

Martin luther king was a pro-abortionist and was the first recipient of the margaret sanger award. I didn't even realize that but uh, tell us about what you wanted to say today about this horrific uh Thing that is being more frequently heard and seen in the media about black elites promoting abortion in the name of god well.

They went planned parenthood went into minority community recruited black in charge of planned parenthood. And so this this isn't any this isn't anything new among among uh Black population. Uh, this is this has been going and one of the reasons why a lot of Blacks they are elitist.

They're very much like whites who support abortion. They are elitist. Certain type. Again, there is you mean in their rhetoric rhetoric and propaganda.

Not In their rhetoric and propaganda not in yours.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's I mean, this is what I mean, this is this has been their message. Um, and I mean it was bill clinton. Came out initially. Uh, so they had had a number of christians were good probably a pretty good percentage of them who ended up voting for them because.

Sanctity of marriage. Well as soon as they got into power, they you know, they they flipped and then you had jesse jackson years ago. Claiming that abortion was black genocide. Uh, so, you know, that's right.

Yeah I don't know virtual as soon as he ran for president and he knew where the political winds were were blowing at that time. He changed his position. Uh, so what what's interesting what's happening among those on the left.

Is that they're starting to use the bible? To support their positions on things for the longest time. You find anybody who quoted the bible was, you know, imposing their religion on other people, but the only conservatives.

Only conservatives can be condemned. For for using the bible. Uh, but when was she said the bible? Uh, and because she knew that there were there were a number of people the middle of the rotors out there who.

She could capture a lot of those because she was speaking religiously on things and thought. You know, she's not lying to us and well, I don't like you know, I've got problems I've got problems with with the republicans, you know, maybe maybe hillary clinton is a middle of road middle of the rotor here.

So this this this has been a technique used for a very very long time. I just saw something the other day. Uh, isn't it great that god gave us two arms? Because on one arm we can get the cove arm. We can get the flu shot.

Yes. I saw that I mean i'm I'm, i'm thinking. That kidney removed the people come up to me. I they say isn't it great that you have two kidneys? Well, yeah, it is great. Uh, we don't have two livers we don't have two hearts and so forth so it's not it's not a great argument.

But again, I am thankful that it was just my kidney. So you knew marshall foster cancer and that but but again, we're back we're There the left is using the bible in order to make its case. And one of the things this is this is what al sharpton.

He urged democrats to to change the message on abortion. And i'm quoting now in a way that is about choice. It's not about saying I support abortion or so for for for sharpton aborting and we I think I think what we need to do Is as christians and conservatives we need to stop using the word abortion.

We need to start using the phrase killing developing babies on in their mother's womb we. Language means something and we need to start changing the language. It's no accident that the homosexual movement Uh, you know switched everything from sodomy and even homosexuality.

To the fact gay rights. Why did they do that? To mask what and it's about choice and so. We need to start saying it's about killing unborn babies. And so we need to debate to that.

In fact, uh. Do you agree with jeff durbin and others who actually say. Even further we should stop using the term pro-life and call it the whole our cause abortion abolition or murder abolition.

I think pro-life is not a good way to do this either. I think we we need to start calling it killing unborn babies. That's very simple. Right. What do you mean killing unborn babies? Right? I'm talking about killing unborn babies that That will immediately shift the debate.

It would immediately force the other side to say wait a minute. They're not babies. They're not human beings. And say and I i'm going to use a personal example here, but people could use something similar.

Granddaughter We had was born a prematurely. And so that means that there was another month that most women have their babies in the womb. The baby is still in the womb and the democrats have come out and said now that we believe in abortion.

And you could say even after that. Uh, some are even advocating that that that family should be given maybe two or three weeks to determine whether or not they want to keep this.

Unbelievable.

So so that means that means that my my son and and his wife would. Why doesn't why wouldn't she have the choice? To kill. She has a month to make that decision. So what we keep we need to force push the antithesis.

Force them to live consistently with their worldview. Don't allow them to use their language. We need to use our language and force understand what this debate is really all about. And the american people when they hear this over and over and over again, they start saying well, wait a minute.

Yeah, they're killing unborn babies. That's what this is all about. I think I think the the word abolition. I just don't think it's a good. I don't think it's good enough. I don't think it's specific enough.

I think we need to start using killing.

Killing unborn babies. That's right. In fact, I was surprised when I interviewed jeff durbin perhaps a year ago uh. When he is working in the front lines with his fellow congregants at apologia church in arizona.

At the abortion mills uh. And they've rescued hundreds of babies from the slaughterhouse. He has told me that every single woman that they confront who is going into that slaughterhouse Knows that they're murdering their baby.

And I was totally surprised by that.

Yeah, they look. I love jeff durbin. He's doing a great. He's done a great great work. And this is and jeff is a guy he believed because he and his and candy his wife adopted a baby.

That's right.

And the They were told that the baby had spine. They still adopted this baby and providentially in god's God's providence and we don't they don't really know what happened. The baby the baby, of course that they they they in fact they walk The talk they they believe they they act on what they believe.

I'm just talking about language here. This is the the whole all these movements that we hear today. Language is extremely important. We need to understand what the language is. And now of course we won't get no one would interview me If that's the kind of language i'm going to use and I remember somebody coming To our office some time ago Wanted to interview me on on I think on the whole homosexual debate here in the atlanta this is back in the 19 1996 when the The olympics were here in atlanta.

It was a big hell of a hullabaloo about Whether cobb county should get any of the olympics because of the county commissioners uh would not Be insured by by the county. And I said look the only way I will agree to an interview with you is only if The interview is live.

I will not do an interview with you if it's recorded and you think about what i'm going to say. Of course, they wouldn't they wouldn't do it and every every every political Movement we find today is based upon Language and the use of language and how it's used social security uh, you know the um the the What I forget how what what the real name of obamacare Is it wasn't it wasn't called that but it's always always this flowery word, right?

How could you be opposed to that and a yeah a wording? Uh that would. If you opposed it would make you sound like a mormon a mormon a moron. Like it used to be global warming now. It's climate change, you know.

Geology and now it's climate change. Well, the climate's always changing. They may be insane and evil, but they're not stupid.

The Left’s Rebranding of Abortion, Sexual Ethics, and Public Policy

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Abortion, Adoption, and Forcing the Antithesis

And we're now back with gary demar of American vision we are have been Beginning our discussion today by discussing black elites promote abortion in the name of God before we go to any listener questions.

We were right before the break Talking about how leftists constantly reword Their battle flags if you will To make them more and more Simplistic and reflecting. Something that if you just take the slogan reword for word It would be somebody that everybody in their right mind would believe and to object to their slogans would make you sound like you're an Idiot, but and we were talking about how global warming became climate change, but if you could just pick up where we left off there.

Yeah, I mean it for the Who wouldn't be.

Portable and it's going to care for me. I'm voting for. In fact, even even pro-choice became women's health care.

Yeah. Abortion has become health Inflation. I Frankie Schaefer. Frankie went off the deep end and got woke myth of neutrality. He wrote this he said think of think of the use of labels to Categorize political activity.

Some labels are used to neutralize the actions of certain groups. Others denote being one of us acceptable being fundamentalist pro-life absolutist and deeply religious. Or put that Conversely think of the unspoken pat on the back and blessing that the following words convey moderate pluralistic liberal Civil libertarian and this is.

I think this is one of the reasons why the argument is because we Seated the other songs of the message. I think it's a huge mistake. I'm at a slightest idea what you mean by socialism. They don't know what Marxism is right.

Socialism people said. Well, why wouldn't we want to be socially the socials, you know, it's a good thing.

So and I love the Marx Brothers. They're my they were my favorite comedians.

Yeah, people don't they don't have any that idea what Marxism is. You've got to take the language. You have to take the language in in terms of where people are today. Understanding those things so they can they can get specifically.

I know exactly what you mean by this.

Yeah, in fact when you when a conservative uses the label Marxist, they are immediately labeled as a McCarthyite even after all these decades.

Taught a world Christian worldview class at a brand new Christian school. So we had kids coming in from all over the place and a couple of these kids talked about Homicide, you know, oh, you know gay gay rights that it is that it and I I immediately Immediately described what homosexuality was but homosexuality.

And that was that was the end of the discussion for the whole entire semester. Because they never really thought about it. Wow today. Today people said people want to do that. That's fine. And so forth that today it's different because You know, you you you can't oppose it.

You have to use certain pronouns. There's a guy in Ireland teaching at a school. Wouldn't use they and them for right or did the guy? Fired him and then arrested the guy so that the things have gone beyond just a debate over terms they've got they've they've got the message has been now become part of law enforcing compliance on things and You know, this gets back to the way.

We've argued our case over the years and unfortunately, we haven't done a very good good job of it. Yes.

Even in Biden's recent speech he refers to our opposition to same-sex marriages. They want to stop people from marrying each other who love each other or something similar to that. And does Biden believe a father can marry his daughter?

Does by Biden believe the mother can marry his son or father. Marry his son or brothers. Marry each other or daughters? Sisters marry each other.

Yeah Roe v. Wade again. There's a difference between there's a difference between Killing unborn babies and a person's race. Race isn't behavior. Killing unborn babies is a behavior. Homosexuality Transgenderism and that whole mess.

Those are behaviors. Think about the number of genders we have we have today. We start using the word sex again. You're not there aren't these many genders there. Two sexes. I'm coming out and say There is there are only two sexes.

There are. You know some issues related to some people born with with so forth and so forth, but that's a medical condition so we need to recapture the language and the left has captured the language of choice and.

It's interesting that we eat on the on the whole issue of transgenderism. We have many we as Christians oddly have many allies now that we're feminists.

Even when you know guys who are claiming to be women are winning these championships and there aren't that many of them That are speaking out on it. It took someone like David Chappelle Right to make it make the issue.

But more and more people are coming out and there is a great deal of pushback on this. But but the like Al Sharpton he resonates with people and as a result of that Whoopi Goldberg and others are using it as well.

And it was the frightening thing here is you have black community killing killing their future. Saying this is a good thing to do. This is a good economic choice for you to kill your future. You imagine this is the same type of type of thing that is taking place among, you know, we can't.