Matt Slick Live: July 15, 2024

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Hey, buddy.

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Hope you all had a good weekend.

It was an interesting weekend.

And where were you when there was assassination attempt on Trump?

So I know that people want to talk about it.

And I've read different stuff, and maybe people have other bits of information.

From what I understand, the left had tried to remove Trump's Secret

Service detail.

That was one thing they tried to do.

They had minimized it so there wasn't enough people to cover.

And someone sent me a comment that one of the shooters who

killed the assassin said that he was there.

And they had the bad guy in sights for three minutes.

And the upper chain, whoever was in control, said, don't shoot him.

There's going to be some heads rolling all over this.

And it was pretty bad.

So why is this occurring?

Well, I'm going to just say something here.

I know it's going to really upset a lot of people.

The Democratic Party and the far left are brainwashed people who don't love

the country, who are leftist, they're woke, they are dangers to our

country.

I believe the Democratic Party is likened to a terrorist organization.

And I have in front of me a timeline of the Democratic Party.

You may get into it.

In fact, I think I will.

I'll just jump into it right now.

I'm just going to read you stuff from the Democratic Party.

It's founded on the platform of individual rights, state sovereignty, and pro -slavery.

That was 1829.

In 1830, the Democratic President Andrew Jackson creates the Indian Removal Act which forced indigenous people to

leave their homeland, Trail of Fears.

Now, why am I bringing up the Democrats?

Because it's a Democratic Party who has been speaking evil of Trump all the time.

And the leftist actors talk about killing him.

Other people talk about killing him, doing evil to him, violence to him.

The left has been known to say that violence

is a legitimate form of expression.

The left are the ones who let the cities burn and the BLM crap, stupidity.

All this stuff, the Democratic Party.

Now, the guy who shot Trump was a 20 -year -old.

And he was a registered Republican from what I understand.

But he donated money to the Democratic Party.

So whatever the facts are there, that's what that is.

I hope that Trump gets in.

I don't know too much bad about him.

I hope that he makes it.

And I hope that he cleans house.

And I think that's why the left is so afraid of him.

Because these things can do a lot of stuff.

Let's get on with the Democratic Party stuff.

And if you're a Christian, I don't understand how you can be a Democrat.

And I'm going to say this again.

If you're a Christian, a real Christian, I do not understand how you can be a Democrat.

And I'm going to read why.

Read what the Democratic Party is about.

1957, in the case of Scott v. Sanford, the court ruled that slaves aren't citizens.

They're property.

The seven justices voting in favor were Democrats.

The two who dissented were Republicans.

I'm skipping a lot of stuff.

Up to 1865, Republicans passed the 13th Amendment, which permanently outlawed slavery.

1865, Democrats established black codes.

A state and local statute intended to marginalize blacks and keep them in indentured servitude.

Poll taxes and literacy tests prevented them from voting.

Also in 1865, Confederate veterans founded the KKK.

To oppose the Republican Party's integration of blacks.

Its first Grand Wizard was a Democrat named Nathan Bedford Forrest.

In 1868, the KKK Grand Wizard is honored at the Democrat National Convention.

1868.

1869, Reconstruction ended.

Democrats reestablished white supremacy in the South with Jim Crow laws that

legalized segregation.

That would take another 100 years to abolish.

Let's see.

1911, Democrat President Woodrow Wilson stuffs his cabinet with Dixocrats, powerful Southern Democrats,

and set back the Civil Rights Movement for decades.

In 1918, the KKK is reestablished, targeting immigrants, Jews, and Catholics, in addition to blacks.

1939, a Democrat and KKK cover girl, Margaret Sanger, created the

Negro Project and planned parenthood to cull the black population.

In 1964, President Johnson successfully reads an ad titled, Confessions of a Republican.

Democrats learn that by accusing Republicans of racism, even without evidence, they can gain

political power.

In 1964 again, the Republican -controlled Congress passes the 1964 Civil Rights Act as an

extension of the Republicans' 57 in 1960 Civil Rights Act.

Democrat Senators filibustered the bill for a record 75 days.

They wanted to stop it.

Now, there's more.

I need to update this.

Plus, it's a Democratic Party that is pro -homosexual and pro -abortion.

How could any Christian, true Christian, ever support the Democratic

Party?

I'm not saying the Republican Party is much better, but how could you be a Democrat?

People say, well, don't mix politics with religion.

Well, where does it say that in the Bible?

Are we going to just kowtow to the secularists who say don't get religion involved in

things?

Of course we need to.

We need to know what righteousness is, and we need to stand on truth.

The left has been promoting violence against people on the right.

And I just saw another, I got it on karm .org forward slash

persecution I think is where it is.

Let me see if I got it.

I updated some stuff on that.

I see that it forwards to it.

If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Yeah, and I have articles and stuff where Christians have been attacked in Canada.

They're proposing legislation that would imprison Christians for posting religious opinions

deemed hate speech.

In Nigeria it's going on.

I've got a whole bunch of stuff about the United States.

Anyway, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on.

And if you have things on Christian persecution and woke oppression and

LGBTQ, the alphabet mob oppression, send them to me at info at karm .org.

I can make a list, I can go through some stuff, start doing commentaries on these things.

But look, ladies and gentlemen, if you're a Christian, you need to be praying for our country.

And if you're a real Christian, you need to get out of the Democratic Party, maybe even out of the Republican Party, I don't know.

But you can't support a party that is anti -Christian.

You can't do that.

And you shouldn't be doing that.

In this thing, you shouldn't be doing that.

And if you don't like it, you don't want me to talk like that, turn the channel, go listen to somebody, that'll tickle your ears, I don't care.

But the issue here is truth and what we Christians need to be doing.

So someone said that Trump acknowledged God is the only reason he's still alive.

Immediately afterwards, two people have told me that so far.

And okay, I'm glad for that.

And one person said they were inches away from civil war.

Now I'm not saying I want civil war, but the left and the leftist media, what it does is it

promotes things that divide the country.

And it promotes hatred of the conservatives.

And it's the party, the left, I will just say, it reminds me of when I

researched communism, that the, I think it was Stalin who said they're useful

idiots.

What they like to do is get the people to believe in leftist agendas, leftist policies, and blame the

right.

So they cause division, and then all kinds of division and disharmony going on.

Then the people with not so much power can go in and seize power.

There's all kinds of stuff.

And I'm not a historian.

I'd like to have one on the air who could talk about this stuff, who knows what's going on.

But there's just so much to be able to talk about, and it's bad news.

So I just hope that things just get better, and better, and better.

Let's get to Steve from Scotland.

Hey, Steve, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey, Matt, can you hear me okay?

Yes, I can, man.

Glad you're calling.

I know you help out with karma.

You do some stuff for karma.

I really appreciate it, and glad you're calling, brother.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I do the timestamps.

I'm just blessed to be able to help you guys in any way that I can, and this is the way that I can.

Praise the Lord.

Okay.

You got a question or something?

I do have a question.

My question is,.

On a recent show, I can't remember which one, but that's irrelevant.

On a recent show with someone, you mentioned that you could speak

about the NESB translation for 10 minutes.

Now, that picked my ears up.

My ears are open.

My primary Bible is the NPGV, but I'd really love to hear you talking about the

NESB for 10 minutes.

Well, about 10 minutes, but let's see if I have the New King James in my list of stuff.

Yes, I do.

So, for example, what I'm going to do is go to Romans 5 .18.

It's the one verse I immediately go to with any translation to see what they're doing with it

because I know the verse very well in the Greek and I know what it says and the

theology behind it is critical.

I want to know if a translation is letting the bias get into the translation.

The NESB, in my opinion, is the correct translation, and I can go on and talk

about that for a while.

That's why I was talking about Romans 5 .18.

But the NESB is the correct translation.

It says,.

So it is through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men even so

through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

The New King James says,.

Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men resulting in condemnation

even so through one man's righteous act the free gift came to all men resulting in

justification of life.

That's not what the Bible says.

That's not what it says.

At all.

So what it actually says in the Greek.

Is.

So then through one transgression condemnation to all men even

so through one act of righteousness justification of life to all men.

So you have two sentences A and B and they're joined by a conjunction even so.

And so you have sentence A and sentence B and here's a critical thing I'll explain this

is why this is so critical.

I'll go through it slowly for people to understand the theology that's buried here is

ignored and covered up by the King James and

the New King James and the ESV.

I'll explain why this is so critical but what it actually says is so

then through one transgression condemnation to all

men that's sentence A even so that's sentence B starting

even so or in like manner so we have two sentences I call it sentence

A and sentence B joined by a conjunction.

Sentence A governs sentence B and I'll explain what I mean here why this is so

important through one transgression condemnation to all men even so through one act of

righteousness justification of life to all men.

So it says even so or in like manner it's saying that sentence B is reflecting sentence A.

That's what it's saying.

That means whatever you do with sentence A you got to do with sentence B.

We'll come back in a break.

I'll continue with that last thought and I'll explain what's going on and why.

The other translations mess it up badly so please hold on we'll be right back after

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Here's Matt Slick.

Alright welcome back to the show.

Steve are you still there?

Yes sir.

Alright so to continue why this is so important.

A mistake has been made by the translators because of what the text actually

says sentence A governs sentence B you interpret

and translate sentence B in light of sentence A and what sentence A

teaches is through one transgression condemnation to all men.

So we got to put a verb in there.

And.

Even so through one act of righteousness justification of life to all men you got to put a verb in there too for

us in English.

Well since sentence B is a reflection of sentence A the implication is

that the same verb goes in.

So whatever verb you put in A you got to put in B because sentence A and sentence B are

virtually identical because it says through one transgression sentence A through one

act of righteousness sentence B condemnation to all men sentence A

justification of life to all men sentence B.

So you can see the parallel.

What Paul is doing is saying that his transgression resulted in something

and so did Jesus sacrifice.

That's what he's getting at.

So what the NASB translators have done is put the verb result because

Adam's sin resulted in condemnation to all men.

And we know that's a fact because the very next verse says for as through one man's disobedience to many were

made sinners so they put in that translation that verb because that's

what it teaches because that's the truth.

Then even so that means now what do you do with the second.

Well you got to put the same verb in there so they do.

But the implication is universalism.

But Mark 3 .29 Matthew 25 .41 .46 and Revelation 20 .10

.14 .11 teach that people are damned.

So they know that people are damned and justification means you're saved.

But it says therefore it resulted justification of life to all men.

Well that can't be.

So they change the translation.

I'll explain why it is what it says.

But universalism is still false.

And I'll explain what the answer is.

So what they did was they let sentence B govern sentence A.

So since you can't have the theological idea that everybody is going to be justified

then what they did is they said for example the ESV they let sentence B

govern sentence A so that the one act of righteousness leads to

justification.

It doesn't say it happened, it resulted.

It's not definite, it leads to it.

So now they can put the word lead up in sentence A.

Therefore as one trespass led to condemnation to all men.

So it softens it because they don't want to support and rightfully so, they don't want to support

universalism.

But they made a mistake because they didn't let the word of God.

Speak.

They spoke for the word of God.

That's a mistake.

The New King James in sentence B says through one man's righteous act the free gift came.

But the free gift is not there

so they butcher the translation.

The RSV says when men's trespass led to condemnation and then in the

sentence B righteous leads to leads to acquittal.

The LEB says through one trespass came condemnation to all men so

through one righteous deed came justification of life.

They understand the principle that what goes in sentence A has to go in sentence B but they let sentence B govern

sentence A and it goes on and on.

Now the NIV says just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men

so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life to

all men.

So if it's brought to you it doesn't mean it occurs.

So they softened it there.

This goes on and on.

And this is a.

Horrible problem with the translations that's why I only go with the NASB and I'll explain what's really going on

here and why.

What.

Paul's teaching is biblical of course to be understood.

But the.

Translators.

When I go to a bible I immediately go to Romans 5 .18.

I see what they did.

And if they let sentence B govern sentence A then they're not letting the word of God speak.

How much more that principle is going to go into their translation.

Therefore I don't trust the other translations.

That's just my opinion.

So what's going on when it says the result of justification of life to all men.

Well when you go through and start reading and I'll cut to the chase here pretty quickly the next verse is interesting.

For as through one man's disobedience the many were made sinners even so through the

obedience of the one the many will be made righteous.

There goes Paul doing it again.

In 18 he says all and in 19 he says many.

And each one is used in different context or different way when you go to 1 Corinthians 15 .22.

Okay.

For as in Adam all died so also in Christ all

will be made alive.

Well to be made alive is only the believers.

Because.

The only ones who are made alive are those who have died to sin

died to themselves died with Christ Romans 6 .6.

Romans 6 .8.

And so because of that.

Then we.

Understand that when it says all will be made alive the all can't be every individual the all there

has to be a limited group it has to be.

And when you see Romans 5 .18 Romans 5 .19 where Paul uses the same word in two different senses

and stuff he does this you can see he does it here in 1 Corinthians 15 .22.

Furthermore.

When you find out that there's a pattern in scripture that says.

It says.

We have died with Christ Romans 6 .6.

We're crucified with Christ Romans 6 .8.

And so when did we die with Christ.

People say oh you believe that's not true Romans 6 .6.

Says.

Our old self was crucified.

Our old self was crucified with him.

Our old self was crucified with him.

Galatians 2 .20 I've been crucified with Christ.

Alright.

So when did that occur.

Well it occurred 2000 years ago.

That's when he was crucified.

But the heretical theories that are going on in pulpits today in America.

I don't know where you are but I mean it's happening that the whole idea is that the atoning work of Christ is

made valid and made efficacious and made powerful by what you do when you

decide to believe it when you decide to appropriate it to your own life by your wisdom and faith.

Then it becomes real.

And that's theological guvna.

That's a Polish word.

It's not a nice word and so it just doesn't work.

The resurrect I mean the crucifixion of Christ accomplished what it accomplished when Jesus did it.

Galatians 2 .14 says that he nailed the certificate of debt the sin debt and cancelled it at the cross.

It's not cancelled when you believe.

It's cancelled when he did this on the cross.

This is a theological perspective.

Most people don't know how to answer.

They don't know what it is and they've stopped their thinking.

They've stopped their research and they've got stuck in a form of Arminianism and semi -Pelagianism

and libertarian free will.

And that's as far as their theological acumen allows them to go.

So here's the thing the Bible says Romans 6 .6 we're crucified with Christ.

And Romans 6 .8 we died with Christ.

When did that happen.

When he died when he was crucified.

So we only.

Find I'm almost done.

I'll show you something after the break.

I'll show you something after the break and then you'll see why the NASB's got

it right and the others got it wrong and why it's so significant.

We'll be right back after these messages.

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Here's Matt Slick.

Alright everybody welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on with Stephen and then what we'll do is close up this discussion which is really

important theologically.

Are you still there.

Steve?

I am indeed.

Okay alright.

So um one point that I try and make with people is don't

assume you know what God's word says.

Well do word studies and look how God uses words in different contexts.

That's where you learn a great deal.

Most people never hear the concept of doing that and never will do it.

I teach people how to do this.

But.

Here's the thing whenever we find any place in scripture where it says that we've died to sin,

died to the law died to ourselves etc.

Whenever we find.

That.

Then we know that it's only the believers okay only the Christians have died

with Christ etc.

Well the reason this is so critical is there's a verse in 2nd

Corinthians 5 .14 and I'll read it and it's really important to

understand because what it says there is.

Um.

We have to understand something.

Here's a principle.

We have died to sin.

We've died with Christ.

You have died with Christ.

Elementary principles of the world Colossians 2 .20 and 21.

So whenever we have a statement that we've died in relation to Christ with Christ then it's only the believers.

That's a fact.

Check out this verse.

2nd Corinthians 5 .14.

For the love of Christ controls us.

Having included this that one died for all therefore all died.

If he died for all people say well that means every individual who ever lived.

Then every individual who ever lived died.

But that can't be because you only find that pattern of scripture in reference to the

saved people.

So if that's the case he died for all and therefore all died it's required

that we understand it in a different sense that the word all here is referring not

to every individual but those for whom Christ came.

That's what's going on there.

So Romans 5 .18 is critical because what it's saying is therefore the

result of justification of life to all men.

Now we know who that all is.

It's the all that were given to him by God the father.

Because Jesus says in John 6 .37.

All that the father gives me will come to me.

And one who comes to me he certainly will not cast out.

This is the will of my father who sent me that all that he's given me.

I lose none but raise it up.

That's the theology that is that the tip of the iceberg of Romans 5 .18

reveals when you start digging without that translation I never would have found this.

Okay.

Right.

Yeah that's critical.

Yeah I see what you mean.

Yeah it is it's super important it is

all right that's why.

All right man what was I going to say before I go.

So the NASB.

Would you recommend the 95 version or the 2020 version.

The.

I haven't checked the 2020 enough to be able to tell you but I just used

the 95 and I checked the 20 in Romans 5 .18 it was fine

so I just need to get it buy it get it on my program where I use all the time and then do

research on it and make sure it's good but you know it should be fine.

Okay all right man.

Well this has been a great great help.

I'm glad I called in.

I've had more than my 10 minutes.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for taking my call first and I think you need to go and buy a NASB 95.

Okay.

All right man God bless.

Okay.

God bless brother.

Okay well that's Steve from Scotland.

I know I gave a lot of information there folks but I take my theology in the Bible very seriously.

Let's get to Apollo from Winston -Salem, North Carolina.

Welcome you are on the air.

Matt how you doing?

Doing all right.

Hanging in there man.

What do you got buddy?

I was listening to Father's Day message a while back and the preacher was saying.

That.

God has always been a father and so I'm thinking I'm trying to get some clarity

on that if God the father and Jesus we know that they are

eternal they have always been one along with the Holy Spirit but I'm just trying to figure

out how is it that Jesus has been designated the son of God since they

both have always existed.

Okay so what we're talking about here is the nature of the Trinity.

Now I'm going to slow down because this I want everybody to hear this.

The Trinity is one being and the one being is divinely simple.

The divine simplicity of God is that his divine nature is one substance not

parts.

God is one substance.

So if you were to hold in your hand a glass sphere it's pure glass that is

one substance.

It's simple.

That's God in his nature his substance his essence is divinely simple.

And what that simple substance is is triune in its nature.

People say well how is that possible.

Well we can get into the philosophy of unity and diversity inside of an object

concrete and abstract objects.

We won't get into all that.

Here's the thing the Trinitarian being.

We know that the three persons have a perichoritic relationship.

Perichoresis means the inter -dwelling because they're one substance

and they share all the same attributes because they're all the same substance.

Their distinction occurs when we observe their relationship to

one another.

The father begets the son is begotten.

The Holy Spirit proceeds.

So we.

See among other things their relationship to each other.

So when God reveals himself to us in creation we see the relationship

of the father son Holy Spirit only.

The son became incarnate.

The father and son send well as we say to the filioque we won't get into that the Holy

Spirit he proceeds from the father.

So there's differences in their relationship to each other.

But yet.

Their essence is the same.

Ok.

Now having laid that down.

God the father is eternal as is God the son because their relationship

is eternal.

So.

We don't want to look at something what's called temporal priority.

We want to look at logical priority.

Let me explain what that is.

Here's an illustration.

A light bulb you flip a switch.

Electricity goes into the light bulb and 5 seconds later light comes on in the light

bulb.

That's an example of temporal priority.

The electricity has to be there for a period of time before the light comes on temporal

priority.

Logical priority is what we want to focus on.

Logical priority is this when the electricity is in the light bulb the light is

also there.

They both occur at the same time.

When electricity is there, light is also there at the same time.

But we would say that electricity is the cause of light, not light

being the cause of electricity.

We would then say that the electricity is logically prior not temporally prior

because it is the cause of the other, but they occur at the same time.

Take the logical priority idea and put it into the trinity, where the

father eternally would send the son.

It's a logical priority not a temporal priority.

It's always been the case that the father would send the son and so they have a distinction in relationship

where you have a sender and a one sent.

This is revealed to us in the father son relationship where the father begets the son,

and the son is the one begotten, and so since he is begotten in the physical form

with gender we then see the father son relationship that is then

encoded in the scriptures.

And this is how we get the eternal begottenness of the son and yet also

is eternal in nature.

And it's not a temporal procession or priority.

It's a logical one, which means it's eternally the same from forever ago, it's just showing

distinction of relationship and sending and things like that, make sense?

I'm just a little bit confused because from a human standpoint, when we think of father and

son, we think of family and of course there has to be the idea of mother too

but we know there is no mother involved, so I'm trying to figure out why God would use

that, for us, why would he use the term son knowing that it might confuse us in

terms of what we see as a family.

Yes, that's.

True.

Now, I grew up in Southern California most of my life, and I used to go out on the waves, and I'd sit down to talk to Grimmies,

and sometimes I'd get hydrocoffered and I'd go to Craven Grinds afterwards.

Surf Talk which means what it means in its context, this term son of God in the

context meant equality with God in relationship.

And I'll show you that after the breaks.

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Here's.

Matt Slick.

Alright, and welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on with Apollo, are you still there?

Yes.

Alright, so let me ask you.

I know I gave you.

A lot of information, did that make sense?

And you asked a question before the break but I just want to make sure that we're still on the same track here, did you hear what I.

Well, let me ask you, did it make sense?

It did in terms of explaining how the son comes forth from the father proceeds forth from the

father.

I'm just still fuzzy about why the designation son, period.

Ok, right because he's going to become either a male or a female

when he is born one or the other, that's how God created us, male and female, so

which one's he going to be?

Well we could choose one, he chose to identify in the male gender, and

Jesus became male, ok the word became flesh, dwelt among us and so, with

that, there's a relationship to the father, father son not mother son.

There's a theological significance to this called federal headship so Adam and Eve are in the

garden, and Eve sinned first she gave the fruit to Adam

then Adam ate and he sinned after she did but Romans 5 .12

says, sin entered the world through one man, Adam so he was the

federal head, he was the representative.

One of the genders is going to be the representative, the reason it's the male, is because one of the

genders was going to be the one that God chose, he chose the male and Jesus is our federal

head who redeems us, he represents us, as I went over the first segment of this show and

so, it's just why he's male and why it works that way, and that's what it is

and the term, in the context of Christ, the term son of God means he's equal to God

that's John 5 .18.

Ok.

Yes.

I did a little bit of research on it, trying to get to the bottom of it, but I don't

claim to be any kind of expert on it at all.

That's why I'm asking you.

I found that there was a couple of schools of thought on that, and some people saying that

Jesus became the son of God when he was born into the world, you know, in Bethlehem.

Others saying no he's always been the son of God, so, you know.

Yes, because in the Doctrine of the Trinity the decree for this to occur was eternal

therefore the relationship of the father and son the sender and the one sent has

always been, therefore his sonship in relation to the father has always existed.

Ok ok.

Ok, that helps me quite a bit.

Well good.

I'm glad.

Go to my website.

You can look up ontological trinity and economic trinity.

Ok, sounds good.

Just look up.

Economic trinity.

On my website it will explain the relationship aspect.

More, you can go through it.

Ok.

Ok, I appreciate that thank you.

Ok brother, I know I gave you a lot to think about but that's just biblical theology, ok.

That's fine, I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Alright man, God bless.

Alright, oh, sorry.

Hey, do you want to give me a call?

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Alberto welcome, you're on the air.

Yeah, Masley, how you doing?

The question is you know when the Bill Gates and all the Davos, Switzerland they said

they're planning to decrease the population of the earth the

population, so I agree with them a hundred percent because we should start with them

first.

Wait a minute.

We should get rid of billionaires?

Yes, they want to depopulate the earth so we'll start with Bill Gates we'll start with all the Davos people,

we'll start with all the terrorists, and all the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, all the criminals in

crime, the Communist Party we'll get rid of we'll depopulate the earth with them first.

How do you decide who gets cut out?

How do you decide?

Well.

The same way how they decide they got the power monetarily.

But why can't we decide as people we're free human beings.

We have the choice to say okay you want to decide that, we want to decide this so we decide you.

We'll eliminate you from the human population.

Well.

It's an interesting idea.

Yeah, I get it.

But.

The problem with us deciding is that we're not the sovereign king and so I think a better

plan is to just make everybody Christian and teach them the Bible take the word of God

seriously.

I think that would be better.

Mm -hmm.

Another question, talking about the man earlier just now, about the trinity and all that.

Does the Nicene Creed teach that the eternal be God and God.

I didn't understand the last statement, the children of the begotten God.

The.

The Nicene Creed they teach the eternal begotten God.

Jesus is the eternal begotten God.

At the top of my head I don't know.

I mean it might be the case, I just don't know.

Because I was watching you know, on John Ankerberg's show they had one side you know

those were the modern translation of the Bible verses, the King James only.

And then the guy John Ankerberg said the pastors on the King James

when he talked about he didn't want to eliminate.

It's okay to believe that Jesus is the born and begotten we're begotten at King James

but when he mentioned about the creed says that Jesus is the eternal begotten God so he doesn't believe that Jesus can become the

begotten like at the beginning you know what I mean, the begotten God.

That's because he doesn't understand he doesn't understand the Bible's theology behind it.

A lot of people what they'll do is they read something they decide what it means and then they stop thinking.

And we have a lot of problems because of that, they need to actually trust learned

theologians who've really studied this in depth and then compare what those theologians say against

the word of God.

But.

God's given the body of Christ to his teachers for a reason.

Mm -hmm yeah, I got a friend of mine in Savannah, me and him, he's a pastor and I tell him the

same thing God uses commentaries and pastors and

teachers to teach us and he said no I got my teachers the Holy Spirit.

Yeah he's a teacher of the Holy Spirit but God uses also men to teach us who God gifted them to teach and

God blessed them to use all kinds of commentaries they write.

But he doesn't want to accept that, he thinks he's so spiritual that he doesn't want to rely on the Holy Spirit and not

relying on the other men understanding of the scriptures.

Ephesians 4 11 says he gave some as apostles some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers

so that's for the body of Christ.

So he needs to submit to Ephesians 4 11, okay, to say hey do you believe Ephesians 4 11 or not.

And maybe he doesn't want to do that, I don't know, but that seems to be the case, okay.

Yeah, yeah, the same way my brother sometimes I tell him too he's been a Christian a long time but

they think because you rely on the Holy Spirit as our teacher, so you

rely on the Holy Spirit, yeah he's the main teacher but that doesn't mean that we totally throw away

the tools that God used us men to teach us, you know the Bible and

more than that because these men dedicate their lives to the scriptures, right, and more than that.

Right there are a lot of really good Bible teachers out there and it's worth studying the word,

but a lot of people don't you know, they just go to church, they just trust whatever is being said, told and that's, you know, that's

okay as long as the teacher is good, but how do you know.

So, okay, yeah, exactly.

A lot of people just go to church and they just, yeah, they don't.

You ask them about certain simple basic things about the Bible, they don't even know it, once you ask them about the church

how do you go to heaven, only one person got it right, out of all the people in the social hall they all give me

different answers, none of them were right just one person got it right.

Yeah, it could be that way alright, but okay, there you go man.

Alright, thank you.

Alright, God bless, talk to you later.

Alright, we've got a few minutes left in the show, there's nobody waiting and I want to tell you what happened yesterday.

Not a big deal, but I went to Walmart and did a little bit of shopping with my brother, he's out from Arkansas.

We went out, did a little bit of shopping.

And.

We're going to get some chicken and I got a chicken recipe that's killer good.

And I hear.

My name being called, so I ignored it the first time because I thought maybe somebody else is calling somebody else, whatever, and then I

could hear Matt, you know, twice.

I look around, this guy's looking at me and he goes, you're Matt Slick.

And I said, yeah, and we get talking.

I forgot his name, he's a really nice guy.

He's working on his Masters of Divinity and the whole bit he says he follows the podcasts and stuff.

No big deal, you know, okay.

Fine we got talking, and then to my left I see a husband and wife.

Walking.

And I could tell by their dress by their clothing that they were wearing that they were religious and it's

not like men and knights.

But it was just, I could just they walked by me and I said, hey, what church do you go to?

And this guy he says, well I go to the so -and -so Pentecostal, blah

-blah -blah church.

And I said, oh, it's Oneness, right?

And we'd skip talking for 15 minutes.

And.

So.

He was telling me how the Trinity.

Is not true, he was really polite.

And I said, okay.

What would you think about us getting together and talking?

And he goes, wait a minute what's your last name?

So he goes, yeah, I hear you.

And.

He goes, yeah, I know who you are but I'm not really interested in talking to you, and I said, well, why

not?

And we get talking about that.

We ended up talking for another 10 minutes.

I gave him my card and I said, look, there's things about the Trinity you don't understand.

And I said, and there's things about the Oneness position when it comes to the person and work of

Christ that are very very important, and I opened up my phone.

I have one of those folding phones, I opened it up and I got a Bible program running, and I showed him an area of Scripture

in John 6, 37 -40 that the Oneness people have particular problems with.

And I was showing stuff to him and he was, you know, interesting, not a big deal.

And I said, what do you think about us getting together and talking sometimes?

And he goes, well, I don't think that's a good idea, my pastor wouldn't want that.

And I said, let me get this straight.

So your pastor is telling you not to talk to Trinitarians?

He said, yeah.

If you were a pastor, what would you tell your congregation members if they said one, this person wanted to talk to him, I'd say, go talk to him

and he didn't expect that.

I said, go talk to him, he said, I'd be glad to be there with you, let's go.

I'm not afraid of what others have to say let's go and let's check it out, let's teach.

I said, why isn't your pastor willing to do that?

And he didn't have anything to say at that point.

But the thing is.

That.

Oneness is false and if you're a Oneness listener you deny the Trinity, you believe in Oneness.

There's some serious problems with it and I gave him some of it, we don't have time to get into them but it's

seriously bad it's seriously problematic and I can point them out to you if you want but nevertheless,

just one of those things that happens.

My wife, you know, we get home and my wife is in the kitchen and my daughter goes, yeah, he's witnessing.

She goes, yeah, uh -huh, she's just used to it.

That's what he does.

Always talking and witnessing and stuff like that and enjoy doing that just a little

filler story.

So look, hey, we're out of time if you want to call me, you've got to wait until tomorrow and by his grace, we're back on the air tomorrow.

There is the music pray for our country because we as Christians

need to be very much in prayer.

And active.

Don't wait for a true preacher of rapture to get out of here.

We're going to stay.

Let's take care of what God has given us to take care of.

Hey folks, out of here, God bless.

Talk to you tomorrow.