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Laura Klassen and Choice for Two on Abortion Advocacy

Good Jeff Durbin.

All right, hey guys, we have a very exciting guest on with us right now. She puts together some of my very favorite videos on the issue of abortion. They are brilliant, truly brilliant. Have you guys seen these videos before?

Yes?

She is with Choice 42. Her name is Laura Klassen. Laura, welcome to Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

Hi, thanks for having me.

It's a pleasure to have you on, very, very much. So people might not recognize you right now because you're not wearing your hair.

I know, I'm sorry. The hair's not actually pink.

That's right. That's right. Well, that is good to know, actually. So, wanted to have you on Next Week because you truly do put together some of the most brilliant videos, satirical videos, and culturally engaging videos in the area of abortion.

And so let's tell everyone first, where are you from, Laura?

Canada. I live in Ontario, just outside of Toronto.

Ontario, Canada, which means that our audience worldwide now has more respect for you in putting these videos out.

Truly.

So let's start with that, Laura. Let me ask you, why, even in the context that you're in right now, living in Canada with as difficult as it is to have this kind of speech and rhetoric in a country that's gone the direction that both yours and mine has gone, but I think Canada in some different ways, why this work for you?

How'd you get into it? Why would you want to put yourself out there like that?

Well, for these videos specifically, we wanted to engage our culture on the topic of abortion. And it is so difficult here because we have a leader who said that the abortion debate is over and you can't even be in the liberal parliament if you aren't pro-choice.

So it's just really tricky to even have these conversations. So we were just looking for a way to get the message out there. The reason that Choice for Two started was because I noticed that there was a gap between women facing unplanned pregnancies and the actual centers that would help them.

And so that's why we put together the database that we have on our site, which is the largest in Canada. Yeah, so that's kind of a little overview.

So I said it wrong. I said Choice 42. Choice for Two.

Yeah, we did that on purpose to be ambiguous because if we came out and said, you know, like pro-life something, a lot of doors would have been closed to us. And because our name has choice in it, a lot of doors are open to us.

That's powerful.

So it's been working.

Well, it's interesting. One thing maybe our audience, you guys may not be familiar with is that not only does Laura have to actually contend with the political climate that she's in in terms of trying to be very, very careful and wise with how she does this.

But for all of us that are engaged in this battle worldwide, when we look at platforms like Facebook, when we look at platforms like YouTube and Twitter, they have even worked with their algorithm to essentially halt speech from our side on this issue.

I know that when we put videos up, I'm not sure, Laura, if you've experienced this yet, but we put videos up. Now, as we do the descriptions for the videos and the tags for the videos, we have to be very careful about what we actually put in there.

We can't be very descriptive ourselves of the videos because they'll get ultimately halted or shut down.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, for sure. And now with our, like with our just saying videos, we don't actually say abortion in.

Them.

Yeah.

And that's on purpose for that reason.

Yeah.

We've actually, I'm not sure, Laura, if you've experienced or not. We've had people actually get upset with us saying, you're not, you're not telling us what's in the video. You're not being very descriptive of the video.

And there's a reason for that. The platforms have actually gotten together in many ways on this and in their algorithm, the language itself is being watched and monitored. So if you put in like directly Christian language or conservative language or pro-life language, your video will not be seen by the large majority of people because of how you describe it.

Exactly.

Yeah, that's right. But here's, here's a, what I want everyone to do if they haven't, if I'm, I think a lot of people I've seen your videos already, but I want to make sure everyone gets to see them. Uh, this is a video you did called the magical birth canal.

I love all your videos, but this is one of my favorites. So if you haven't seen it yet, this is a from choice for two Laura Clawson's video on the magical birth canal, human rights.

You may think you've always had yours, but you would be wrong. So how did you get your human rights from the magical birth canal? Disclaimer, birth canal is not the size of an actual birth canal. Just saying.

Before the baby or fetus is born, it is not a human being clearly, but as it passes through the birth canal, something amazing happens that transforms it into a person with human rights. Observe. Not a person, not a person, not a person coming out the other end.

Person!

Human rights! Congratulations. You now have value. Can't say the same for this one. So what exactly happens in the birth canal that causes this magical transformation? No one knows, but popular scientific theories include fairies, aliens, or of course, a mini Big Bang.

No human rights. Human rights. No human rights. Human rights. Makes sense. Thanks, magical birth canal. Science.

Logic. Magic.

Human rights.

What if it's a C-section?

So that was the magical birth canal video. Laura, talk to us about that, the magical birth canal. You have gone after the, if you don't have a uterus, you don't have a say, you talk about the A word and you have the magical birth canal.

Talk us through this particular video and how you're trying to engage the culture. Why is it important to address this particular issue, especially in light of what's taken place in New York recently?

Yeah.

So what is now possible, what happened in New York? I mean, that's what we already have here in Canada. Abortion on demand throughout all nine months. So we just wanted to show how silly it is to think that a person becomes a person the moment that they're born.

It just doesn't make any sense. And like here in Canada, our law, that's actually our law. When you become a human being is, um, when you fully exited your mother's body, now you are a human being and it's ridiculous.

So that's why, that's why we made this just to show, you know, here's the baby here, not a human. Here's the baby here. Human. It's ridiculous.

It is ridiculous.

And it's interesting because, uh, many times I think Christians in our culture, we have bought into the modern fiction and idea that, uh, what it means to be a Christian is to be nice. And the gospel is the gospel of niceness.

And if you're not being nice and if you're engaging in mockery of any kind, you're really not being righteous and you're not being a sweetheart like Jesus was. And so Laura, you're failing in some way, right?

Um, it's, but it's interesting because if you look throughout the scriptures, you see that God's prophets and God's representatives engaged very, very often in a righteous form of mockery. And I think what you did in that video, which I appreciate so much is it's, it's really rooted in scripture in terms of a way of reasoning with something that's foolish.

And that is to say in the book of Proverbs, it says, don't answer the fool according to their folly or you'll be like them. And then it says, answer the fool according to their folly, lest they be wise in their own conceit.

And I think your video about the magical birth canal is exactly in line with what God, God calls us to do in terms of responding to something that's foolish and answer them according to their folly, which the magical birth canal does wonderfully.

My favorite part is where you said fairies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was the best part. So you have another video and it's called no uterus, no say. Uh, talk to us about that one because that actually is, I found that's probably on the street, Laura. That's probably one of the ones that we would hear the most as we're outside of the abortion mills, preaching the gospel and trying to offer help to mothers and fathers and trying to save children's lives with that kind of mercy ministry.

We often will hear the arguments. You don't have a uterus. You don't have a say, you're not a woman. You can't talk about this.

Talk to it.

Talk us through that one.

Yeah.

That one really irritates me because they are trying to make it a women's rights issue when it's a human rights issue.

Yeah.

And so of course men should have a say and you know, I keep saying here, but here in Canada, it's really bad if you're a guy and you try to say anything on this topic, um, you're just completely plowed over.

So, uh, that's why we made this. I wanted to kind of encourage, you know, the men out there that, yeah, this is your issue. You should be standing up for babies in the womb and women as well. And so it's just dumb that you can't have an opinion on the slaughter of human beings if you don't have a uterus.

That's right. You know what I love about you, Laura, and what you're doing is you're showing how stupid the arguments are for abortion and that's good. That's a good thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

Show the foolishness, show the stupidity. And I think why I appreciate so much what you're doing is because I think we have to as Christians and people who care about human rights, uh, in the womb, I think we have to get to the point where we realize that the opposition, um, isn't pulling punches.

The opposition wants the whole way. For example, uh, the pro-life movement has over the last 40 years in my country has really internationally, truly internationally has fought this on an incremental basis.

And we've tried to just be really kind and soften the language around this, which I think has been devastating to us. And we've thought, well, let's do this incrementally and work our way peacefully back down.

But I don't think we've realized, and I hope that we are starting to realize, and I think your videos are helping with that, that the opposition who wants to be able to kill children, abort children, um, they want the whole way.

And now that's obvious in Canada, which it's all the way through birth. And now we see it, of course, popping up across, you know, more states now like New York and more talking about it, that the opposition doesn't want the incrementalism.

They want the whole way.

That's right.

They want the full thing.

Yeah.

So talk about, talk about why you're dedicating your life to this, because I think it's important for people to recognize, you know, when you do videos like this, it's, it's not just for sports. When you engage this issue, it's, it's not just for fun.

It's not like you're necessarily making a bunch of friends because of it. And you, your life can be in danger at times. You can be threatened. We've received that often. So why, Laura, why are you doing it?

Why, why are you actually putting yourself in a position where you can be mocked and persecuted? Why, why are you doing this?

Because human beings are being killed. I, um, my relatives, you know, my Oma, I come from a German background. And so I've heard a lot about World War II and the Holocaust and just a lot. And I always thought, like, how, how was it possible that this happened?

Like, how, how could people just go along with the slaughter of this group of people? And then I looked around in my own country, in my own time, and I said, well, here it is happening exactly again. So, um, I would have liked to think that if I'd been born in that time, that I would have done something to speak out for, um, the Jews and people who are being persecuted during that time.

And this is the issue of my time here in my country, as well as around the world. And I guess I just can't not do anything about it. And I feel like more people should be doing something about it.

That's powerful. You know, Laura, yesterday I was, um, I was in a, in a court here in Arizona and I was, um, I experienced something yesterday that was just really powerful. And just what you said just reminded me of exactly what I was thinking yesterday.

There's a time not far behind us where we can think back to where, you know, people said, I know that's, I know that looks like a human. It's not a human. It's a Jew. Um, and we can think back now in horror and we can ask questions like, how could anybody even imagine such a thing?

And how could we ever have gotten to a place where this was accepted? And what was it like back then to walk around and this was going on around you and it was accepted in many ways. And I was in court yesterday and I was watching, um, a man who stands outside of an abortion mill with love and grace, reaching out to mothers and fathers.

He saved so many lives outside the abortion mill. I watched him get sentenced yesterday for, um, for a crime. And that was the crime was basically, um, calling out to women at an abortion mill and amplifying his voice.

And I thought to myself, we have the, the, uh, the attorney, the prosecuting attorney, uh, talking about punishing him in a way that will send a message to everybody. The judge ruling in an unjust way, the police department working here.

And I sat in a courtroom, Laura, and I'm, I'm watching this take place and tears are falling from my face because I was thinking to myself, we're in the same position now. It's happening all around us.

Now the court system is accepting it. The police are on their side.

Yeah.

I'm watching it take place. And I, and the reason why I bring that up to you is that I think it's important for us who agree with you and who believe in what you're doing to make sure that we're partnering with you and people like you and people like us to make sure the world is seeing these videos, the refutations, all this engagement.

Laura, I'd like everybody who's watching our show to go and right now to go actually get you one of your videos and to share it across their social media, because I think it's so important if we're going to actually change the minds of the culture, like they've been changed in terms of should we kill Jews or not?

Um, I'd like that to happen now in the area of the unborn. And it's only going to happen if we have people as courageous as you are in Canada, um, doing, doing the same thing and actually engage in the culture.

So I want to thank you, Laura, for all that you're doing.

Oh, well, thank you. You as well.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So that's Laura Clausen, guys. Go get it. Choice for two. Get it at YouTube. Look up her on Facebook. Like her stuff. Share her content. And we'll get you in just a moment right here on Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

Thank you for watching, guys.

News Roundup: The Indian Man Suing His Parents for Being Born

Hi, everybody.

Welcome back to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin. And these are our new cards.

How do you like our new cards?

They're pretty sweet.

They're fancy.

These are sweet.

Thank you, Isaac, for these wonderful ideas. Look at him. He's already, you know, he's already earning his pay.

Who?

Awesome. What's your name?

Isaac.

I don't know who that is.

I'm Jeff.

This is Luke the Bear.

What up?

And that is Joy Hunter the girl.

Hello.

That's right.

So, hey, we're here today talking on Next Week about a lot of things, very important things today, a lot of stuff in the news right now. But let's start off with a little news report, right?

Yeah.

Okay, so what's up? Okay, so did you guys hear about this Indian guy? He's 20, like Indian, like Asian Indian, like the country India.

Wait, start over because I think you had a hard time with that.

No, I wasn't. Okay, so the Indian guy, he's 27 years old. His name was Raphael Samuel.

Did you just ask me if I heard about the Indian guy?

The Indian guy?

Just the Indian guy?

The Indian guy.

Okay.

That happens to be 27 years old.

Okay.

And his name happens to be Raphael Samuel. Anyways, he's suing his parents because he was conceived without his consent.

Oh, yeah.

I'm not making this up. I thought that was one of those Babylon Bee articles when I saw that come up.

No, this is for real.

I did see it come across. That's actually happening?

This is for real.

Where, here?

No, in India.

In India?

That's why I said the Indian guy.

Oh, okay.

So it's happening in India.

Yeah, so I got a quote from him. He said, I want everyone in India and the world to realize one thing, that they are born without their consent. I want them to understand that they do not owe their parents anything.

If we are born without our consent, we should be maintained for our life. We should be paid by our parents to live. So he's suing his parents. And this is, it gets crazier.

For how much?

I didn't see how much.

Like what did he establish that means?

Yeah, it didn't say.

How do you figure out the monetary value?

Yeah.

So his parents, who are both lawyers.

Okay.

He's a real genius, this guy.

So they said, his mom was like, you know what, I have no hard feelings against him, but can you move out of the basement first? But no, they really, her mom, or her mom, his mom literally said something along the lines of, well, I'll give him credit, you know, considering the fact that he's, he's putting this case together and he knows that we're both lawyers.

Yeah.

So.

Well, it's possible that he may have learned to be this litigious because he grew up in a house with two, at the dinner table, they're talking about how they can, you know, lawyer.

Up people.

And he was like, hey, wait a minute, I might have a case myself here.

Yeah.

So he's part of some group that's anti, anti-natalism. I never heard of it before.

Natalism.

Is that what it is? Anti-natalism?

Natalism.

Natalism.

Yeah.

They're nihilistic.

Wait, the group is nihilistic? They're nihilists?

Yeah.

That's even better.

They're nihilists. Nothing matters.

Yeah, exactly.

Except this.

Except getting paid by your parents to live.

Yes.

That matters.

He's a nihilist dude?

I was setting you up, by the way, and you totally.

Oh, I didn't even, yeah. Oh, that must be really hard for him. Nihilist.

This is a real story.

This is the real story.

Are you sure?

Because we're going to find out later. This is totally a joke.

No, it's totally, totally real.

It's kind of like the show that you guys haven't seen yet. It's the new. Have you guys seen a new documentary on Netflix? It's the Abducted in Plain Sight or Kidnapped in Plain Sight? Christian audience.

Of course not.

No.

Okay. Actually, it's actually a really good documentary. Cautious. You cannot watch it in front of children.

It is a piece of history.

It's all stuff that's based on evidences and eyewitnesses. Definitely not something you want to watch in front of your children, but it is something that really happened. It's in the news and everything else happened in the early 70s.

It's the same kind of story. It's like, this doesn't seem like it's actually real. I was watching it with my wife, and I told you guys that halfway through, I stopped it last night. I'm watching it. I stopped it.

I looked over at Candy. I said, this is fake. It's not real. This is going to, at the very end of it, they're going to reveal, gotcha. Just kidding.

See?

Like, it's just pretend. We're just, and it's real. It actually happened.

People are dumb.

I think that's in the Bible. Somewhere. Find a verse that sounds something like that.

Yeah.

I think it's in that first book of Bubba, chapter one.

You keep dropping that card.

I keep dropping my cards.

I'm not used to it.

Didn't Johnny Carson used to do that? He used to throw out the cards like, pshew.

I know Jimmy Fallon used to throw his pencil.

That's right.

We need to think of something creative for next week with Jeff Durbin.

Karmen, don't throw anything at the cameras, though. Karmen will be mad.

Yeah, Karmen will be mad at you. I'll take Luke's hat off and throw it at the audience and whip it at somebody's head. Just a first-time visitor. Who's that? Raise your hand.

Okay. They actually raised their hands. All right.

So, I'm amazed that's actually a real story.

Yeah.

People are crazy. And it goes to the issue today we're going to talk about in terms of justice.

Yeah.

Well, along the lines, I was going to say there's probably some nut job lawyer that will actually award him. You know, they're going to be like, oh, yeah, you're right.

That's right.

Your parents didn't have your consent.

Yeah.

Good point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just don't mention you're a nihilist.

Yeah.

Because that won't go well for us.

Right.

Yeah.

And Joy.

I also have something relating to justice.

Nihilism? No.

Okay.

This person was actually very passionate. They think a lot of things matter that are very arbitrary.

Okay.

I saw this shared on Facebook by actually a few people. And so it is a Facebook post accompanied by a picture of beef, red meat. And the picture is of a ninety five dollars and fifty seven cents worth of meat that was well, attempted to be shoplifted out of a Safeway.

Not as a local grocery store in Arizona.

That's a lot of meat to shoplift.

Or Vons, depending on where you're from. I know.

Yeah.

That's actually, if you see the picture or even if you just think about how much a hundred dollars worth of meat from the grocery store is, that's. Even if they're like New York strips, that's a lot of steak.

I don't know how they were trying to smuggle it out either. Don't have that information.

So we don't know what kind of meat it was?

No, it was like steak. It was ground beef. Like the picture shows just a variety of red meat.

A hundred dollars for the ground beef is a lot.

I know. And it was like the tube kind. Like in the plastic. So yeah, that's like, I mean, gosh. That's like.

You're just walking out stiff.

That's like 400 pounds of beef.

Yeah.

Okay. But so anyway. So the person, someone tried to shoplift it. And that basically this post is about the person who stopped them from stealing it.

Okay.

So obviously. A real American hero. Obviously most retail stores, their policy. If you see someone shoplifting is going to be let them take it. The liability is way too high. People die trying to reclaim their property.

Yeah.

And so it's just not worth it for the company to endanger their employees to get a hundred dollars worth of meat back. So for whatever reason, the Safeway employee decided to stop this person. But when they stopped the person, they had already left the Safeway.

So they had gotten out of the doors, just outside of the doors. So what that means is that. And I don't even know if it really matters if it got outside of the door. But once it leaves the store, it cannot be put back on the shelf for sale.

Just because.

Would anybody really want hamburger meat that was down.

Right. Again, we don't know how he smuggled it out or she smuggled it out.

Right.

And so the point of this person that posted this Facebook post was trying to make. Is that there's no difference for the store between the stuff being successfully stolen. And them catching the person.

Because either way they have to, you know, just like mark it off and put it in there. You know, wherever that stuff goes. That you cannot sell.

Yeah.

So yeah, it's considered a loss. And then at the end of the year, at the end of the quarter or whatever, they just mark that loss down. And it goes into their numbers. So Safeway is barely affected by this.

The next thing they say is really what says it all. This is a direct quote. As long as we fail to provide for the basic needs of the people in this country. There is no ethical reason to mess with shoplifters.

Wait, who said that?

The person that made this post. The point that they're trying to make is that this self-righteous store employee. Attempted to stop a poor person from feeding their family.

Oh, wow.

With $100 of red meat.

Oh, wow.

Which I think you can assume that if you're stealing red meat, you have a fridge and a stovetop. So the assumption here that I'm trying to point out is that the person who stole this was poor. And I think that this is just a perfect example of what's going on in our society.

It's a great example that people understand because there's no sexuality or race involved. It's not so super emotionally charged. But you guys have heard it said on Next Week with Jeff Durbin that socialism is theft.

So is shoplifting, it turns out.

Well, it used to be.

The point is that this person is trying to say that because that person is poor, they're allowed to steal.

So it goes to the mantra of the day is the ends justify the means.

Always.

And the end of satisfying the hunger of a poor person, taking care of that need is the most important thing or is the good thing. So to get there, if we have to steal, rob, cheat, all those things to get there, that's OK.

Because the main thing is to satisfy the hunger of a poor person.

Well, so what if a person makes $25 ,000 a year? What if they make $40 ,000 a year?

Right.

What if they make $100 ,000 a year?

Right.

Then is it wrong for them to steal? Because I'm pretty sure there are a lot of really rich people who went to federal prison for stealing.

That's right. Exactly right.

And so it cannot be our morality because theft is a moral issue.

That's right. Objectively.

Yeah. So there has to be some objectivity. If we are going to prosecute someone through the law over something, then we need to have a standard of where it comes from.

Absolute standard.

Yeah. And it can't just be, well, this person needed $100 worth of meat. They needed it.

Right. Exactly.

So they're allowed to have it. And also, it's so full of assumptions. The assumption that this person couldn't afford to buy the meat and that they needed it to eat. And then the assumption that this Safeway employee is self-righteous when the Safeway employee probably makes minimum wage.

Right.

They're probably considered poor by this standard too. Are they allowed to steal from the Safeway?

They couldn't have purchased that much meat.

No. No.

And it's all across the board, though, because you reject the Bible. You reject God's revelation of himself. You don't have an objective standard of morality. So everything is possible now. Every excuse matters.