Daniel 10

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Daniel 9, the 70 Weeks, and Different Eschatological Perspectives

Dan, welcome back. Thank you for joining me again. We are continuing in the book of Daniel, looking at the prophecies of Daniel. And I'm not sure where we should go next. Revelation would be a fun task to tackle.

But it would be difficult, maybe. But Daniel speaks so much, or you find so much of Daniel in Revelation. I'm not sure where we should go next. But you can find a lot of Daniel in Revelation. And we may speak to that tonight.

We finished up, we wrapped up Daniel chapter 9, looking at the 70 weeks, the 77s. And Dan and I looked at it from two slightly different perspectives, more of a, what would you call your perspective? Of understanding the 70 weeks.

If you could give it a... I was going to say correct. Let's see.

Obviously, obviously. I don't know. I don't know if it has a name. I guess that may be a typological fulfillment, as opposed to a chronological fulfillment. Okay. But that's just off the top of my head.

Don't quote me or hold me to it. Well, you're looking at different time periods. And they're not necessarily specific. But these things happen in this time period. And of course, I'm looking at it from a more specific, reading these numbers more specifically, and trying to have it point to the birth of Messiah, point to the judgment that come upon Israel.

But that's where we get these 70 weeks of years, the 490 years, the 62 weeks. Then you hear people talk about the 69 weeks, and then the 70th week. So you find all that in Daniel chapter 9. We now come up on Daniel chapter 10.

And as Dan was telling me before the video started, he sees Daniel chapter 10 as more devotional. We... Daniel's going to speak of a prophecy, an angel coming to him. And it seems another physical appearance because he's being touched again, being told to stand up.

So this seems to be another one of those physical interactions, not just a vision or out-of-body experience or a dream, but maybe a physical interaction with this messenger. And what else can we say?

I think that's about it. We're going to wrap up Daniel in two more chapters. We're at 10. We're going to go to 11 and 12. And Dan and I were talking before the video started. There's something significant about Daniel chapter 11.

And it's... What was my question? I posed these three questions to Dan before the video. And because I saw some relationship, we sometimes talk about the differences in the different end times views, especially that we point out the most popular one, the pre-Trib, pre-Millennial rapture view, and then ours, the post-Millennial view.

There's some things we have in common. And I explained it like this. If you've ever heard of Ken Ham answers in Genesis, he'll explain his situation like this. You've got evidence. You've got archaeological evidence.

But you have a Christian, maybe, a Christian archaeologist and a secular archaeologist coming at it from two different perspectives, looking at it through two different lenses, but they're looking at the same evidence.

And they come away with two different interpretations because they're coming from two different perspectives, two different lenses. Similar situation with eschatology here. We've got the same evidence, but we're coming away with different viewpoints.

And we kind of agree on some of these things, like with the Book of Revelation. We both agree that there are references to Daniel in Revelation. These 70 weeks, especially the 69 weeks here in Daniel 9, both seem to agree that they are pointing to the birth of the Messiah.

And then both points of view reference this idea of Jacob's trouble. You'll hear people talk a lot about Jacob's trouble. But the difference is we view them and interpret them and see them in different ways, where the pre-millennial, pre-trib rapture folks, they see all these things as yet to have happened.

They're going to happen in the future. And we see them as already happened, happening in the past. And when I talked to Dan about this before the video, he encouraged me that when we get to Daniel chapter 11, we're really going to be able to give some clarity to the position that we hold, the partial preterist position.

And we'll be able to walk through Daniel 11 and see and help you look through the lens that we're looking through. And see that where we get and understand these things happening and being fulfilled in the past.

So I kind of give that as a teaser as we approach Daniel chapter 11, that you may receive some more clarity into our position.

And we will not mention the nation of Russia once. I mean, they're not.

I about lost my cough. With that being said, let's go into Daniel chapter 10. All right. I'm going to read. I want to read verses one through nine. And Dan, when I finish, I'll just let you give us some commentary, give us some explanation.

Daniel chapter 10. In the third year of Cyrus, king of Persia, a message was revealed to Daniel who was named Belshazzar. And the message was true and one of great conflict. But he understood the message and had an understanding of the vision.

In those days, I, Daniel, had been mourning for three entire weeks. I did not eat any tasty food, nor did I, nor did meat or wine enter my mouth. Nor did I use any ointment at all until the entire three weeks were completed.

And on the 24th day of the first month, while I was by the bank of the great river that is the Tigris, I looked in my eyes and looked. And behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of euphaz.

His body was also like beryl. His face had the appearance of lightning. His eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze. And the sound of his words like the sound of tumult.

Now I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, while the men who were with me did not see the vision. Nevertheless, a great dread fell on them and they ran away to hide themselves. So I was left alone and saw this great vision.

Yet no strength was left in me for my natural color turned to a deathly paler and I retained no strength. But I heard the sound of his words. And as soon as I heard the sound of his words, I fell into a deep sleep on my face and my face to the ground.

Crazy. There's some stuff in the Bible where if you have a vivid imagination and you look at it, it will. It's incredible the things that God is capable of and the things that God does. It says in the first verse that Daniel saw a vision.

It doesn't really tell us what it was, so that he understood it. He knew what it was. It may have been one of the ones that he recorded for us. It may not have been. We don't really know. But what we do know is that when he saw this vision, he understood exactly what it meant.

It may have been Daniel 9 since he said, you've been wanting to know the answer to this, this vision. And here I am to tell you, here's the answer to it. He understood it. It may have been something else.

But either way, what you see is that it threw him into a depression. We would think of this as some sort of anxiety attack or depression. He wouldn't eat basically a cheeseburger. He didn't want to eat delicacies.

He didn't eat meat. He didn't have a drink of wine. He didn't have the good things. He didn't put his deodorant on. He didn't put his ointment on for three weeks. It was rough. And then he went down to the river.

Now, we don't know why. He may have realized, I'm starting to stink. Maybe I should go wash up. We don't really know. But what we do know is that at the end of this depression, he was down there.

The Reality of Depression and Anxiety in the Lives of Believers

Before you move forward, this distress that he's talking about, it's not abnormal. It's not out of the ordinary. No. Because he speaks of it before, right?

Yeah, well, it's not abnormal for him or for believers in general. Some people will try to say that if you're depressed or anxious, it means you don't have enough faith. But that's just not the case. There's some times when your body will just fail you.

It won't be able to handle what you've got going on. We see this in the Psalms, Psalm 13. I just heard a wonderful sermon on it talking about how depression, and if you read the Psalm, he goes through a terrible time of depression.

You don't really know what it is. He doesn't want to get up. He's asking God all sorts of questions. Then he just talks to God and he ends by quietly praising him and waiting for something to change. But he's in a depression.

He feels like God's not there, but he knows better. He quietly waits on God even when he's depressed, when he's anxious. He has that panic attack. I think Daniel here is facing something of the same thing.

We see it in other saints. John Calvin, when his wife died, they had to drag him out of his bedroom. He was struggling. Spurgeon had something similar happen where he was just depressed. He'd go through bouts of depression.

He'd come out of it. He'd go back into it, come out of it.

It's not uncommon at all. Daniel seems to be about, like you were talking about, not understanding and wanting to know concerning these visions. Like you said, it's so familiar to us when we want to understand.

We want to know what's going on. It's not made clear to us or made evident immediately.

Right, right. Here it says that he did understand it. Be careful what you wish for, I guess. I want to know what God's doing in my life. God's like, we really don't. Just trust me and we'll find out along the way.

If you do, it'll scare you. Yeah, so he was going through this. Then there's some debate on who shows up. When you look at the description, legs like burnished bronze. U-fas around the waist, barrel, appearance of lightning.

His eyes are flaming torches. A sound like a multitude or like rushing waters. Man, that sounds like a description of Jesus from Revelation. Yeah. Some people think it was another angel, maybe Gabriel.

Don't know. It doesn't say. What we do know is that when he showed up, everyone got scared. Usually also happens when people enter into the presence of God. They're terrified.

Yeah. The specific reference is Revelation 1, 13 through 15, I think. I think you can parallel this verse and 13, 14, 15 in chapter 1. They're fairly close, yeah. To a good degree, you can parallel.

It may actually be helpful to go there. Let's see. Hey, Roger. Hope you're doing well tonight, brother. Revelation chapter 1. You said we're going to get into it. Here we go. Here we go. In the midst of the lampstands is one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.

The hairs on his head were white, white like wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire. That's a connection there. His feet were like burnished bronze. That was the description. His voice was like a roar of many waters.

That's the same thing. In his right hand, he held seven stars and he had a two-edged sword coming out of his mouth. His face was shining like the sun in full strength. That also comes directly from the book of Daniel.

Then he tells us exactly what happens.

Verse 17. I fell at his feet as a dead man and he laid his right hand upon me. That sounds pretty familiar too.

Same kind of reaction. Then he says, Fear not. I am the first and the last, the living one. I died and behold, I am alive forevermore of the keys of death and Hades. That can only be described of as Jesus who was living and then died and then rose again.

There's a strong case that Jesus, a pre-incarnate Jesus, showed himself in a vision to Daniel. Which is incredible. Hey, I'm super depressed and where's Jesus? He's right there. That's true for anybody, whether he has a vision for you or not.

You get super depressed. You're looking at the world around you. You see Biden botching just about everything he comes in contact with. It happens no matter who's in office. You see all these things happening.

You see the Equality Act about to be pushed through where it's going to make Christianity illegal. For all intents and purposes illegal. You're seeing all sorts of agendas being forced down our throats.

Where is God in all of this? He's right there. God has already acted. He's already paid for sin. He's already defeated death. He went down in the grave and then death thought he was going to get a laugh out of it.

Jesus rose up and death had to shut his mouth for forever. Sin was done. It was finished. Yeah, it's good stuff. Absolutely. Let's see. You heard the words. Daniel 10 verse 9. Heard the sound of his words.

And as I heard the sound of his words, I fell on my face in a deep sleep with my face to the ground. Yes. I don't know as if I would have fallen asleep. But let's face it. If that person comes to you and speaks and it sounds like you're standing at the bottom of Niagara Falls.

That is a sound of his voice saying you fell into a deep sleep. Oh, he knocked me unconscious. I was going to say passed out. Knocked out. Yeah, absolutely. Put Daniel in the concussion protocol. He's done for.

He can't come back for a while. Bench him. Yeah, he needs a nap. You know, after being observed for a period of time. Gotcha, gotcha.

Spiritual Warfare, Prayer, and Speaking to Rulers with Christ's Authority

You ready to move on to the next section? Let's do it. All right, 10 through 14. Then behold, a hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees and said to me, Oh, Daniel, man of high esteem, understand the words that I'm about to tell you and stand upright for I have now been sent to you.

And when he had spoken this this word to me, I stood up trembling. Then he said to me, do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard.

And I have come in response to your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for 21 days. Then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days for vision pertains to the days yet future. Yeah, this one's tough. This this one.

Let's start with the good news. He went from being asleep. Now he gets to be hands and knees, getting ready to crawl, which is it's kind of a metaphor. I don't know. You think you're you're up, you get knocked down, but God builds you back up to where you need to be.

Not the main point. Not going to dwell there. I just thought it was. It said that Daniel sought two things, he sought wisdom from God, exactly. No, what is it that God's teaching? What does he want me to know?

What is there that I should know? And he said his heart or he humbled himself before God. He tried to live a righteous life. He humbled himself. He trusted in the Lord and he said, God, I need to know what's going on.

As a prophet, he had he had extra ability. And I should believe that's a bad way of putting it. He had a he had a lot of communication with God on a different level than than we do. God actually came and knocked him down, showed himself to him, whereas we have the scriptures.

But the same principle holds true. Daniel sought to be holy and trusted the Lord and searched God for the things that he needed to know about his life and the future. And it's the same thing for us. If we want to know what God is doing, we humble ourselves, live a holy life and seek to find God where he is revealing himself to us, which to us is in the scriptures.

Daniel finds God there and he says, verse 13, the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me 21 days. But Michael, one of the chief priests came to help me. One of the things that make people say this may not be Jesus is they say that Jesus wouldn't have had any trouble battling against the prince of Persia.

Now, if we understand who is the prince of Persia here, I believe that he's speaking of an evil entity, a demon of some sort that was or maybe even a group of demons that was behind the political goings on, the political maneuverings within the Persian Empire.

That sort of thing seems very common that in those days there were evil entities, evil spirits influencing the rulers of the world to do evil things.

Right. Well, and before you move forward, and I'm sure you've got a little more to say on that. I know sometimes that hits the ear kind of strange for somebody like us to talk about. There was a there was a prince, an evil fallen angel, a demon or somebody to that effect that was given an assignment, if you will, to Persia.

And that may fall strange on someone's ear. And it does, because, you know, we can we deal mainly with what we can see and what we can touch and hear. We don't anything happening outside of us. We're kind of skeptical of it, you know, falls on our ears.

But let's be reminded of Ephesians six, verse 12. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of weaknesses in the heavenly places.

So there's things going on that we can't see. Here, Daniel is helping us to understand that. I mean, it's we can surmise pretty much that there were there were evil beings, demons, if you will, given assignments for certain nations.

And there were battles for those nations in the heavenlies.

Yep, yep, absolutely. When it says in Ephesians, we don't wrestle or we don't struggle or strive against flesh and blood, but against all these other things. It's important to remember that when we come up against different people in our context, county commissioners pushing abortion or people trying to defile marriage.

We're not actually fighting against the person in front of us. There is a spiritual reality behind the scenes that we are actually wrestling against. And one of the reasons why I believe that scriptures talk about that is because they want us to remember that we're not battling against this person.

We want to see that person safe. Right. We want to see that person redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ. So we're not battling them as as an enemy, even though they may be acting as an enemy at that time.

We're not battling against them. We command them to repent, to believe. We hold them accountable for their actions and tell them, no, you as a leader, as a ruler, need to do this and this and this, because this is what God has said.

Yeah, that is your responsibility to act.

Oh, man, my mind drove blank. That's that's a good conversation to have, because you know, we're talking about it before we went on. A lot of people think that my my job, my responsibility is finished.

When I check the boxes, I cast my ballot and I get in my vehicle and I leave the polling booth and I've done my civic duty and I've done my Christian civic duty and I'm finished. But there's more to our program than just that.

Yep, yep. Yeah, it's what you're speaking about.

Yeah, yeah. Voting Republican is not fulfilling the Great Commission. Right. Just because we vote for the right person doesn't mean that we're doing right, because sometimes voting for the right person doesn't get the right person in office.

Sometimes there are evil, wicked people who are in office. And what is our responsibility when they get into office, especially locally, because you can actually go and sit outside their office till they walk by.

Hey, I need to talk to you. You're endangering your soul. I'd like to help you with that. You need to to quit acting like a wretch and turn to Christ and find forgiveness of your sins. So, yeah, I mean, we the Christians throughout the centuries have done this all the time.

Mordecai did it with Esther. You know, Haman wanted to be bowed down to worship. He's like, I'm not doing that. There's a bunch of other reasons why it wasn't just a spiritual thing. But he was like, no, I'm not going to do that because you're not acting like one who deserves to be bowed down to and paid homage to.

You're acting outside of your God given authority.

All right. Well, we'll speak to this question if you're able to, if you don't mind. The question is, who am I to speak to them that way? You know, they they are in office. They have their duty and responsibility.

I'm leading my family. Who am I to speak, speak into their life and that speak to them in that position in that way?

What would you say to that question? There's a very, very simple answer that's going to sound smart when when I say it at first. But let me let me say it gently and then explain it. You're a Christian.

I don't mean that to be a smart way. I mean it because it's it's one of the basics of our faith. People have tried to so twist the commandment directly from Jesus that that's exactly what we're supposed to be doing.

I'm flipping there. I can quote it off the top of my head, but I'm going to read it. OK. Jesus came to them and said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me past tense, which means right now Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth.

Go, therefore. Why? Because I have all authority in heaven on earth. You, Christian, go and make disciples of all nations or disciple the nations. If you're discipling someone, you're teaching them how they ought to act.

In other words, there's an understanding that they're not going to on their own know how to act correctly or properly. They're not going to know any different because let's face it. We didn't when we didn't know Christ, we were doing all sorts of wretched stuff that we wish we hadn't.

And then Christ found us and he changed our lives. And now it's our responsibility to look to those around us, the nations being individuals and mothers and fathers and school teachers and politicians that in each place we find ourselves.

We baptize or no, we are in ahead of myself. We disciple those people. We teach them what it says, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And part of discipling them is teaching them to observe all that I've commanded you.

And is that going to get dangerous? Yeah, because people don't want to hear that they're doing a poor job. So that's why Jesus ends up saying, and I'm with you always, even to the end of the age.

Yeah. So, well, that's it. I mean, that's an encouragement for us for us to know that there's more more to Matthew 28 than just an evangelism method. Yeah, it's more than just evangelism, more than just sharing the gospel on a one on one basis.

There's more. Encapsulated into that, that is for us.

So so when you asked before, who am I to go and tell that person how to live? Was answered, honestly, you're nobody. But the the one who has all authority in heaven and on earth has commanded that you go in his place and speak those truths to those people.

Right. So who are you? You're nobody. Right. Was Christ. Christ is everybody. Not everybody in all people, but he is the most important one. Yeah, I'll say because there's a new age concept of the universal Christ.

And we are not talking about that. Right.

Well, and I think it would be helpful to to talk about how to talk about the approach. We're so we're so concerned about offending people. And we don't want our approach to be offensive in our approach per se, because the the message, the words of Christ are offensive in and of themselves.

When we speak, when we speak about sin, when we speak about God, there's an assumption in the gospel that I'm a sinner. I've done something wrong. I'm in the wrong. And I need I need a savior. I need to be punished and I need a savior.

That's kind of backwards, though. And here here's why I say that, because you're absolutely right. But but it starts backwards. Telling telling people the goodness of God and his law and the way that we ought to live in his world because he has said so in scriptures is not what's offensive.

The offense has already been made. When his creatures use his air and his food, his water and his authority in order to blaspheme him. Yeah. So we have no reason to feel ashamed. We have no reason to be timid.

We have every reason to be respectful because God has placed people in authority. We have a reason to be compassionate, but we have no reason to be timid or fearful because the offense is not made by us initially.

We're calling them out for the offense they have against a holy God. Right.

So and that's just encouragement to to go boldly. Absolutely. Not not to go, you know, with a with a sledgehammer, but just just the encouragement to to go period.

Right. And that that may be intimidating to some people because some people are like they're not built like that. Right. Absolutely. Let me point out something from from the the story of Esther. I just preached on on Esther three tonight.

So it's fresh. Esther, when she she realized that her people were going to be doomed, her people were were supposed to be killed by by Haman. She rebuked the king. But she did it so gently. So she did it only the way a woman could do it, where she she rebuked him so nicely that he thought he came up with a good idea.

She she fed him for two days. And at the end of two days of just giving him this amazing food and everything, he said, what do you want up to half my kingdom? She's like, oh, King, somebody is trying to kill me.

It's not good. The king flew off the hill. Who's trying to kill you? That guy is the guy sitting down here with you. And she rebuked him by showing him what what he had signed off on, because him and Haman agreed with it, sat down and got drunk, thinking that they had legislated themselves, you know, up a couple notches when really they were doing something wicked.

And he said, you fooled me. And Haman met his end. So you don't have to necessarily go out and and be the one who preaches a fire breathing sermon to city council. You can just be faithful and persistent, even if you're quiet and gentle.

So I know that there's there's a lot of folks out there just don't have that in them, especially some ladies. They're not built like that. They and even if they were to speak up, they would take any sort of backlash so personally, so harshly that it would crush them.

And that that's not what God's asking you to do. He's not asking you to have your your soul crushed. He's just asking you to be faithful and to be bold, whatever boldness looks like for you. Not backing down.

Esther was very bold. If her request was denied, she would die. Right. It took a lot of gumption to go before the king and to tell him that he was wrong. But she did it in the sweetest way possible. And that's completely fine.

It worked out great.

Yeah. And it's we're looking at Matthew chapter twenty eight and those verses. It's good to reflect on the very last part, which speaks to what we're talking about below. I'm with you always. So we can go we can go in in the in the personality that God has given us in remembrance that he is promises that he is with us.

Yep. Absolutely. Let's see. Any any thoughts, any further thoughts in verses 10 through 10 through 14? No. OK. All right now. All right. Maybe later. We might come back to it. But now. All right. Let me read the next three.

Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. And when he had spoken to me, according to these words, I turned my face toward the ground and became speechless. And behold, one who resembled a human being was touching my lips.

Then I opened my mouth and spoke and said to him who was standing before me. Oh, my lord. As a result of the vision, anguish has come upon me and I have retained no strength. Or how can such a servant of my lord talk with such as my lord?

As for me, there remains just now no strength in me, nor has any breath been left in me. Any.

It was humble. Yeah. Yeah. He said, God, I've got nothing. At all. He said, you told me your truth and I'm gonna need a minute. What can I say to you? You have all this power and strength and you've told me you have knowledge and wisdom and and I just have nothing.

And he says there's no strength. There's no breath. How can I? What would I even say to you right now? Yeah. I mean, honestly, we could probably all learn a little something from that. I know me. I talk a lot.

I probably learned to talk a little less sometimes. Just sit there and sit there in all of God and remember that he is good, powerful and strong. Loving.

But in your speaking to Daniel's character a lot tonight and in our flesh, we would like to hear the words that were spoken to Daniel in verse 11. And he said to me, oh, Daniel, man of high esteem. You know, our flesh wants to hear that we want to be spoken well of me and we want to be built up by other men.

But here he's given that he's given that word from heaven, basically. Oh, man of high esteem. And you're speaking a lot tonight of his character. So if we want to if we want to be favored, we want to have favor from God, be in high esteem in God's eyes.

I like what you were saying. I can learn a lot from from Daniel and his character, his humility. His. His behavior in the presence of God.

Mm hmm. Yep. Because all Daniel really did was pray, trust God and be faithful. Yeah. And boil it down. All of us can do that. Yeah. But believers anyway. Right. Because we all have the same spirit to empower us.

It may look a little different. You know, you're not going to be having prophecy visions like Daniel where you have the strength sucked out of you. But you're going to have other situations where you just be faithful, pray and do what God would have you to do.

Absolutely. God doesn't make because here's the thing. Daniel didn't do anything except for what the Holy Spirit was guiding him to do. And what was Daniel learning about? Daniel was learning about the victory growth and take over the kingdom of God over the whole earth.

Fantastic. So what am I going to do to take over the whole earth? I'm going to pray. I'm going to be faithful, trusting God to do the rest. That's right. That's all you got to do. Yeah.

Absolutely. All right. Let's tackle these last few verses and we'll be we'll wrap up chapter 10, starting with verse 18. Then this one with human appearance, touch me again and strengthen me. And he said, old man of high esteem, do not be afraid.

Peace be with you. Take courage and be courageous. Now, as soon as he spoke to me, I received strength and said, may my Lord speak for you have strengthened me. Then he said, do you understand why I came to you?

But I shall now return to fight against the prince of Persia. So I'm going forth and behold, the prince of Greece is about to come. However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael, your prince.

The Prince of Persia, the Prince of Greece, and God’s Faithfulness to His People

Yeah, he he finally gets a little bit of courage because he was strengthened by God. He's like, oh, give me some strength. Please tell me something. And so he does. He says, I'm going back to fight now.

I'm going back to fight against the prince of Persia. When I get over there, you're going to have Greece to deal with after basically saying I'm going to I'm going to win. And then after I win, Greece is going to come.

He says, I'm going to tell you everything. And I'm not going to have any help except for Michael. God didn't need a lot of help. Yeah, he really I don't think he needed Michael's help. Right. But. He.

He was battling there was angels and. And depending on how you think the hierarchy of the. Angels and the angel armies and heaven work, maybe it was Michael and his, you know. Well, they call those platoons or whatever below him.