A Sincere Appeal To Dr Michael Brown

Justin Peters

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On October 20th of 2021, Dr. Michael Brown had a program where people could call in, and at about 17 and a half minutes into the program,

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Pastor Jim Osmond called in and questioned Dr. Brown's affiliation and endorsement of Sid Roth, which turned into a fairly heated discussion.

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I have no reason to believe that he is in any way a genuine believer. He is the looniest of the looniest of charismatic charlatans and hucksters.

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Right, so when you slander a brother, calling him a charlatan and a huckster...

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No, no, you're presuming... No, Jim, Jim, hang on. Jim, don't interrupt me. Jim, Jim, don't interrupt me.

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Okay? Thank you. Okay. When you slander a brother... I've known

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Sid since the 1980s. I've had family members that have worked side by side with him. He's neither a charlatan nor a huckster.

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I'm only exercising discernment and saying that based upon the teachings and the practices of Benny Hinn and Sid Roth and other charismatic lunatics that teach and practice the same things, that they...

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Well, you said Sid Roth is a charlatan... I'm sorry to interrupt, but you said he's a charlatan and a huckster.

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He's neither of those. I know it for a fact. I know it for a fact. He's neither of those. ...by selling a program and promoting some of the stupidest and most inane things to ever disgrace the name rights on his program.

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In your opinion, you know, Jim, you are very eloquent with name calling, with descriptions, charismatic lunatics.

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And if I needed to start a work and reach out to lost people and see them touched and work with someone that I knew would be sacrificial, that lives a holy life, that's prayerful, that cares about souls,

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I'd work with Sid a million times faster than I'd work with someone like you that I don't know at all, but that you can so freely damn people.

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Sid genuinely believes in the things that he promotes. Otherwise he won't promote them.

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He's called me and said, you know, what do you think about this? I have a concern doctrinally. I said, yeah, that's not good.

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He goes, okay, fine. This person wants to come on. They're really popular, but I can't have them on because of X, Y, Z.

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My son -in -law, whom I know, it's a younger daughter's husband, one of my closest friends, wonderful man of God, was his producer for years and walked side by side.

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So you may think he has loony guests on. You may think he believes loony things, but I can tell you for a fact, he's not a charlatan and he's not a huckster.

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You have falsely accused someone. Now let's say he's not even saved. Let's say you're right, he's not even saved.

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You're still falsely accused of being a charlatan and a huckster. That doesn't trouble you, which means there's something fundamentally missing in your own relationship with God.

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Otherwise you'd walk more carefully. You wouldn't just be throwing these names around. For some reason that I don't pretend to understand,

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Dr. Michael Brown is extremely supportive of Sid Roth and he seems sincere.

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He seemed genuinely upset that anybody would question Sid Roth's integrity and would call him a fraud and a huckster.

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So I'm going to start with the premise that he sincerely believes that because he really does think it's true.

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And for some reason he doesn't actually have enough information to think otherwise. So what

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I want to do with this video is be as objective as I can. There will be no jokes, no humor, no snarkiness.

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And I just want to look at some things and I want Dr. Michael Brown to look at these things more importantly.

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I've seen these and I've researched this for quite a while now. And I'm going to start with the assumption that Dr. Michael Brown genuinely doesn't know that these things are happening on the

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Sid Roth It's Supernatural TV program. And it's my hope that he would confront

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Sid Roth so that these really, really terrible practices could be stopped. While it's true that Dr.

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Michael Brown has been on the show a number of times, that doesn't necessarily mean that he knows what happens on the show on all the other times when he's not involved.

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So let's take a look at the Sid Roth program. Someone started flying in my guest meeting.

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I mean, he flew out the door and he says, we haven't seen anything yet.

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Are you ready? Well, Sid, I saw in heaven that there was a lot of fire and God's really into fire.

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What I saw in heaven was that there was altars of fire. The angels were on fire. And then I saw that there was a sapphire floor that was on fire as well.

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The teaching series is based on an open vision that Dr. Bridges saw. It was literally raining

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Skittles candy out of the sky. God said to him, this represents ridiculous favor and miraculous provision that I, God, want to pour out upon you.

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My guest says Jesus is the original time traveler.

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Time travel is real. Oh, listen, don't don't ask

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God for need. What are you doing it for? That's a waste of spiritual energy. Don't tell him what you need. Tell him what you want. My guest received supernatural knowledge and authority on how to reverse aging, beautiful gold saxophone.

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And I was I was sleeping at the time and I heard something. So when I woke up, he was standing there and he had this saxophone in his hands and he started to play it over me, you know, because he sings songs of deliverance over us.

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But I found out that he was playing this beautiful saxophone over me. And he's he he took it away from his mouth and handed it to me.

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And he said, you play. And I go, Lord, I can't play like that. He said, that's because you're doing it wrong.

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He said, let me show you. He said, stand up. So I stood up. My wife was still sleeping and I looked around me, go see all that around you.

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He said, that's the Holy Spirit and the presence and glory of my father. He said, that's always there.

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He said, what's wrong is you're not breathing in Heaven first. He said, breathe that in first and then blow it through your horn and it'll work out just fine.

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So I took a big breath and all this gold air around me went inside of me.

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And I put that horn that he handed to me in my mouth and I blew and it was exactly like Jesus had played.

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And so he taught me that he said, everything you do, Kevin, should be from the breath of Heaven. My guest guarantees genuine

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God encounters like Paul and others in the Bible, if you follow his heavenly downloaded instructions.

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Next. What was that like seeing a book that tells your whole life, all the future? Yeah, I saw that Psalms 139 .16

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was absolutely true. I saw that people's names were on the bindings of the books and they were the acts of God through individuals and everybody has a book.

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And I saw that the angels are only assigned to help people with their books. And so most of the time when people get in trouble, angels come and rescue them.

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But that's not their main, that's not their main job. Their main job is to help you with your book. So when you pray in tongues, you actually have the

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Spirit of God reading your book and your angels say, hey, that sounds familiar. And as soon as he bumped into me, so lightly bumped into me, that man went flying backwards through the air.

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The people out there actually parted as he went flying through the air backwards.

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And I, and I feel the presence of God on most guests, but I'm feeling something beyond the normal anointing.

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Do you know what I'm feeling? You know, Sid, I, I, I believe it's the glory of God. Angels, remember the angels are sent back to do your book and there is a book written about you before you were born.

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So if I'm hearing you right, what you are saying is there's a book that has your whole life.

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Nothing happens on earth unless a human speaks it. And by speaking in tongues, your book, you are speaking your entire destiny.

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That book is so specific. You told me that you saw exact amounts of money people would make.

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Explain that. Yeah, there was one, one of the books was a friend of mine and he was actually very wealthy as a young man, was going to make a large amount of money in his lifetime.

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Jesus had it down to the penny. And he said, this is what he'll be worth when he, when he passes away and comes with me.

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He said, however, he's not praying in the spirit. He's not speaking in tongues. And so the spirit of God is not allowed to have utterance through him, which means that he's not reading his book.

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His book says, okay, this is what he showed me. And Jesus pointed to the figure. It was four times the amount that he was going to make if he didn't speak in tongues.

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So if by speaking in tongues, it increased his net worth in his lifetime, four times, not because he was focused on riches, but because the spirit of God was leading him into all truth, which in fact was

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God's assignment for him to make money for the kingdom. Whenever the Lord brought me to hell, it was just an awful sight to see.

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And he told me, he said, it's necessary. He said, I know you don't want to come here, but it's necessary for you to see this.

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Now, what would you do if God told you to literally beat the hell out of someone?

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Find out what my guest did next. He takes the baby, two month old, throws the baby against the wall, the baby.

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Then the baby's on the floor. Have you ever seen someone play soccer?

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Have you ever seen them kick a soccer ball? He does that with the baby.

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The baby falls into the congregation. No crying.

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Is it dead? One hundred percent healed.

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No harm. How would you like to have your own personal access code to unlock the supernatural?

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The code is next. My guest has been to heaven and to hell.

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He's talking to a witch doctor, and before his very eyes, now you, most of you, you don't have a clue about what

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I'm ready to tell you. You've never, it's never even crossed your radar. He really, what did he turn into?

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First time, it was a bat. Big. But you actually saw him and There was a man.

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Yeah. Turned the flashlight on to himself and went into a creature.

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I saw that with my eyes. Yes, sir. Can you imagine?

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My guest saw Jesus pull 1 ,000 demons out of a single woman.

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God never created Christianity. Man did that. God created Christ. God sold Christ so he could have

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Christians. Jesus came. I had a four -point vision, and as he walked me up this path and introduced me to this majestic man,

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I mean, a person, and very dressed like a great warrior. And he says, Bill Hammond, this is

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General Michael, the head of my armies of angels. And he said, General Michael, this is Bill Hammond, one of my generals, top generals of my army of saints.

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And Cindy Jacobs had prophesied to me just a while before that that God had made me a five -star general.

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My soul began to vibrate. It left my body. I could see my body there. It went through the clouds, and the next thing

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I know, I was in Heaven, and I saw this King on this throne. SRS My guest says it's normal to experience miracles every day.

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Ready to be normal? SRS Kevin, get that anointed sacks.

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Take a deep breath of that golden oxygen and play. My guest will teach you how to biblically ascend up to and descend from Heaven at will.

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SRS Then I saw a demon come in. Demons, more than one, come in, grab some of these things, and rush out of the room.

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SRS Welcome to my room, where it's naturally supernatural. My guest was a believer in the

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She even met Jesus, visited Heaven, but one day found herself and many other

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Christians in Hell. SRS Rise up. Come up again. You could see smoke coming up of their shoulders and their head, and we believe it was like God said,

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I accept your living sacrifice. SRS It's a foretaste of what is coming.

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An angel just showed up right now. He just showed up behind me right now. This is right now.

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Yeah, this is for real. I don't do fake. Well, said I saw in Heaven that there was a lot of fire and God's really into fire and said,

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Brian, I cannot let you take this book. And he looked at me in the eyes with love that melted me.

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And he said, you are not ready for that book. Then he promised, but I will bring you back one day and I will give you that book.

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What was the title written on the cover of the book was John 22, but there's only 21 chapters in John.

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What's this 22? Well, John 22, go back to John 1412 and you'll see that there is a greater works generation.

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The works that I do, you will do even greater works than these. I believe the

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John 22 generation will be a people that do the greater works of Jesus. They will not add to scripture and that's a sealed book, but it is a book that is unfolding and the works of Jesus will be replicated by an entire generation of people.

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My guest operates under the same shaft of heavenly light or portal that Jesus walked under.

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He says it's available to all believers. Now, those sorts of topics, those sorts of stories are the norm for the

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Sid Roth program. It's supernatural. There aren't just normal Bible teachers and pastors or people that just have a story to tell about how

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God saved them from their sin. It's always about going back and forth to heaven, battling demons, having these amazing new secrets that no one else has ever heard before, things like that.

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And that's pretty bad. That's actually very bad. But for this video, I want to look at the specific charge that Sid Roth is a charlatan, one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability or a fraud.

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Here's the quick definition from the Merriam -Webster dictionary. Fraud, the crime of using dishonest methods to take something valuable from another person or a person who pretends to be what he or she is not in order to trick people, or a copy of something that is meant to look like the real thing in order to trick people.

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Here's a little more detail. Deceit, trickery, specifically intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right, or an act of deceiving or misrepresenting, a trick, a person who is not what he or she pretends to be, an imposter.

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The other name that Dr. Brown got really upset about was the name Huckster. And here you can see it's one who sells or advertises something in an aggressive, dishonest, or annoying way, which is pretty much the same as someone who is a fraud.

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So a fraud is somebody who pretends to be something that they aren't. Well, the

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Sid Roth It's Supernatural program is full of frauds because it's full of people who claim to be doctors who are not doctors.

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Now, Dr. Michael Brown is an actual legitimate doctor who studied at a real school, got a real degree, and he's really smart.

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People like this Kevin Zedai are total frauds. And he learned how to be a total fraud from his mentor, the fake

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Dr. Jesse Duplantis. So I just want to say right off the bat, I don't understand why this is okay.

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I don't understand why it seems to be within this crowd. You can claim to be a doctor when you're actually not a doctor and nobody cares.

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Of all people who should care, who should be checking on these things, because he does claim to check on these things.

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He's called me and said, you know, what do you think about this? I have a concern doctorally. I said, yeah, that's not good.

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He goes, okay, fine. This person wants to come on. They're really popular, but I can't have them on. His Dr. Michael Brown. I understand that Dr.

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Michael Brown is extremely busy, and he's doing a lot of different things, some very good things.

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But it's possible that I assumed he knows about these fake doctors in this fraudulent activity, when in fact he doesn't.

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So let's take some time and examine the evidence of the fraudulent activity that goes on with the various guests on Sid Roth's program.

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And also, Dr. Michael Brown has done a really good job at times of being really clear about the dangers of the prosperity gospel.

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And yet the prosperity gospel is clearly being taught on the It's Supernatural program.

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In 2017, Sid Roth had a longer than normal program featuring the world's most notorious prosperity preacher, and maybe next to Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, as well as Kevin Zadai and Dr.

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Keith Ellis. He calls them all doctors in this show. And I'm going to be talking more about this particular episode in just a moment.

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But let's take a look at the description of this video, and you'll see that the Sid Roth website, the

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YouTube channel, describes Dr. Kevin Zadai and Dr. Keith Ellis. So here is the online

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It's Supernatural School of Ministry, which is basically a bunch of courses from various people, like Dr.

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Kenan Bridges. I'm going to talk about him in a moment. And there we have Dr. Michael Brown, who is a real doctor, and right next to him is

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Dr. Kevin Zadai. Let's scroll down a little bit more. I want to point out just a few more things.

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There's Dr. Mark Verkler. These men are supposed to be doctors. So we've got

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Dr. Keith Ellis, we've got Dr. Mark Verkler, we've got Dr. Kevin Zadai, and we've got

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Dr. Kenan Bridges, all listed on this page. Let's remember the number two definition of fraud, a person who pretends to be what he or she is not in order to trick people.

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Let's take a look at Dr. Keith Ellis and see if he fits that definition. Here's how Sid Roth views

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Keith Ellis. My next guest, Dr. Keith Ellis, has operated in creative miracles for years, but he says that what is coming makes that look like nothing.

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I'm here with Dr. Keith Ellis, and a couple of days ago, Keith, you told me something that you had forgotten.

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Years ago, you would pray for people, and bones would crack, and they would just contort a little bit, and they would be healed of all pain.

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They'd be healed of problems with internal organs, and you wouldn't even touch them.

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Dr. Keith Ellis is a seer, and when he recorded his teaching series in our studio, he saw angels in the form of lights right in front of him.

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The lights were all different colors. Each color represented a different supernatural gifting being brought from Heaven.

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So Keith, we published your book, One Minute with God. Keith Ellis had an open vision.

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God showed him a stopwatch that started at zero and stopped at 60 seconds. Jesus said to him,

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One minute with me is worth a lifetime of favor. Keith's life has never been the same. This encounter opened the door to healing, miracles, prophecy and God's favor in his life and ministry.

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Call now and get Keith Ellis' powerful One Minute with God connection package, which includes his exclusive book, our first release from It's Supernatural Press.

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And I'm going to tell you, the glory that is on this teaching will supernaturally jump upon you, and the overflow from Keith's life is going to pour on you.

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Don't miss out on getting Keith Ellis' powerful One Minute with God connection package, which includes his exclusive book, our first release from It's Supernatural Press.

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So back in 2015, Sid Roth was really making a big deal out of Dr. Keith Ellis, even publishing his book as the very first book publishing deal that he did on his own.

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So where is this Dr. Keith Ellis today? I literally can't find him. Here's the

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Charismatic Christian Center Church where he used to be the pastor. You can still see his name in this Google Street View up on the sign as Dr.

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Keith Ellis, but apparently his son has taken over that church. All of the links that I could find to Dr.

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Keith Ellis are old. This is his Facebook page. It hasn't been updated since October of 2016.

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And I want you to notice that for most of the people like this guy, going on the

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Sid Roth Show is your ticket. It's your ticket to a gigantic audience and a lot more money.

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His own website doesn't exist anymore. There's a example of trying to go to the link and it says you can buy this domain because it's available.

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Now this is the Charismatic Christian Center where he was the pastor. You can see it says there's the founders, but it's now being led by Pastor Martin Ellis, the son of Dr.

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Keith and Cheryl Ellis. Here is the Facebook page for that church.

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It's a pretty new Facebook page. They don't really do much. They haven't posted anything since April of 2020.

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I want you to see that they actually started this Facebook page, and I'm guessing after the sun took over because the times match up pretty closely.

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So something happened to this fake Dr. Keith Ellis. He's disappeared. Unlike some of the other fake doctors, this guy, as far as I can remember, because I've been looking into him for a few years,

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I don't think he's ever listed any kind of a school whatsoever. He just calls himself a doctor. You're going to see what some of the other guys, they list schools, but they're really diploma mills.

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Let's move on to an even more frequent guest, Dr. Kevin Zadai. I sent this email to him, and I said this,

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I have a quick and simple question. Where did Dr. Kevin Zadai earn his Doctorate of Theology?

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Also, I am hoping to learn where he earned his Master's of Divinity prior to his PhD. This is a very, very normal, common sort of a question that anybody should be willing to answer.

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As it turns out, I don't think I actually need to hear back from Dr. Kevin Zadai because I noticed on the back of some of his books, he actually tells you about his educational background, information that's not on his website.

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And it says that he attended Central Bible College in Springfield, Missouri, where he did receive a

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Bachelor of Arts in Theology. Later, he received training and missions at Rhema Bible College and a

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Doctorate of Theology from something called Primus University. No mention of a Master's degree prior to getting that so -called doctoral degree.

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Let's take a look at Primus University. Primus University of Theology.

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This is a diploma mill. If you look at the address, it actually goes to a completely different place, the

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Arizona Christian University. So I think they're just renting some rooms here for some of their meetings. But mostly, it's a thing that you do online.

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You fill out some forms, you give all this life experience, and they will give you a doctoral degree.

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But you do have to pay for it. At this school, the terms seem to be the same as other schools, but they're not.

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Credit hours are something you accumulate by writing some papers, yes, but also by giving experience, life experience, talking about your ministry, talking about the accomplishments of your life.

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You can basically convince the school that you did certain things based on what you say you did, and they will give you credit hours.

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At some point, you can get a doctoral degree based on what you claim to have done in the form of writings that you yourself have done.

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You don't take classes, you don't take tests, you don't go to a real school. Here's what it says on their website.

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The university is formed through alliances with world -class independent teaching ministries. This collegiality provides our students and graduates with an ever -expanding network and cooperative interaction with like -minded kingdom leaders.

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Our graduates become our adjunct professors. Their books and materials become our curriculum.

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This allows our students to learn from experts in their field of study and the authors of the books and materials they will be teaching.

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So, in essence, you don't really go to this school to learn and to become a doctor the normal way.

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You come to this school with a whole bunch of teaching materials and a past history of whatever sort of ministry already under your belt, and now you turn around and can sell that stuff to other people, all the while you get to call each other doctors.

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It says at the bottom, our goal is to reclaiming educational prerogatives, biblical methods, and standards and measures.

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Courses are predominantly taught using our alumnus, professors, online classes, and independent study.

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This process provides students with the greatest amount of savings so they can earn a degree at a fraction of the traditional cost.

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We are committed to responding to the need for lifelong learning opportunities by providing a full range of educational services adapted to the needs of ministers, business, and church leaders.

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To accomplish this goal, the university recognizes transfer credits and awards credit for documented experiential learning, which is defined as college -level learning that takes place outside a college or university setting.

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So you just convince them that you've learned stuff that's college -level, and they will give you a degree. You gotta pay a lot of money, but it's a lot less than a real school, and of course it's much faster.

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This is a fake doctor's degree with a bunch of fake doctors all selling their materials to each other and to their respective audiences.

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It's really bad that Kevin Zadai claims to be a doctor with this fake degree, but I think what's much worse is that all of his authority to teach comes from his alleged visits to heaven where Jesus gives him new information.

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This is so extra -biblical, it's so embarrassing, and yet it's growing and growing, and I just want you to see a little snippet of what he's teaching in the

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Sid Roth online ministry course. You know, when I went to heaven in 1992,

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I died on the operating table. The first thing that I saw was how well everything was built in heaven, how

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Jesus was dressed, how everybody was dressed, and how everybody was just full of excellence, and there was no lack there.

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And I thought, you know, the world, the earth, it has so fallen, and I saw

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Eden. I saw Adam and Eve. I got to see how it used to be, and I was just shocked at how far man had fallen.

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So I was sent back from the dead to talk about the things that I saw and heard in heaven, and one of the truths that I was given there is that God wanted to be in our finances and that He wanted to unhook us from the world system.

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So Jesus showed me if you go back to the earth, tell people that the Holy Spirit wants to lead them, and that when

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He leads them, their way will succeed, which means there will be prosperity involved with that, because God doesn't want you stolen from.

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He doesn't want you to have less than what you should have. So Kevin Zadai, who's pretending to be a real doctor, claims to have gone to heaven and talked with Jesus on numerous occasions, and one of the things he learned was all about supernatural finances.

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Would you like to know how much Sid Roth approves of this Kevin Zadai? Listen to this.

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SRS Hello, Sid Roth here, and I'm with one of my favorite guests, Dr. Kevin Zadai. Kevin, for those that don't know, was minding his own business, went to the dentist.

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They put him under anesthesia, and he dies, and he goes to heaven, but he had so much revelation downloaded to him that he came back to earth to share these revelations.

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Now, how would you like to be escorted by an angel to heaven to a special room called the

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Revelation Room? Tell me about that encounter. KZ I know

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I did not expect this to happen, but I woke up one night, and I realized my wife was there, so I knew where I was.

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I was in my house, but then I saw. As you can see, Sid Roth fully approves of this guy and wants everyone to believe he's a doctor, calls him one of his favorite guests.

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Now let's look at some other people that Sid Roth promotes on his show. SRS I'm here with Dr.

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Candice Smith, and you may wonder why I'm doing something different than I've ever done before.

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My hand is behind my back. It's because Dr. Candice is a seer, and as a seer, she said there is a big angel behind me, and if I would put my hand behind my back,

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I would feel the angel's presence, and not only that, the same glory that is on that angel is being transferred to me right now.

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I would like you to travel with me, Dr. Candice, and just tell me when I should put my hand behind my back.

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I'd be happy to. Sid Roth really seems to like this Dr. Candice Smitherman.

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Here you can see he was on her podcast. He's had her on the show a number of times.

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When I heard this story, I said to Dr. Candice, I want you to explain it.

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And you should not be surprised to learn that Dr. Candice Smitherman goes to Heaven and gets new revelation and learns things that are not in the

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Bible. We that's up there in the royal suite in and of itself is gorgeous. A lot of royal, blue, velvet and gold.

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But beyond that is another set of stairs that goes up to vats. They're heavenly vats from Hosea Chapter 2, and in those vats is wine, oil, grain, gold, silver, water, wool, flax, the commodities that we need to operate on the

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Earth. Everything that we touch, Sid, this table, chairs, everything, it was first made in Heaven, and then it was given to us as thoughts and ideas that we brought forth into the

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Earth realm. So everything in these vats is available to us today in accordance with the

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Word, Hosea Chapter 2. When the nation of Israel repented, well, those things were taken away from them.

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But when the nation of Israel repented, God gave back all of those things. And the Word says that Jezreel, who is

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Him, God sows, is sowing those things back into the Earth. And so it is available to us.

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We climb up the stairs in the Spirit, grab the gold you need, grab the bread you need, the revelation, grab the wine you need, which is new opportunities, and grab that anointing oil and anything else you need.

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And you can go in for your friends and family, too. This is a storyteller with a sales pitch.

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Let's take a look at her background. This is from her own Web site. Dr. Candice Smithman is an international prophetic revivalist and healing minister who is founding pastor retired of Freedom Destiny Church in Orange Park, Florida, and founder of Dream Mentors Transformational Life Coaching Institute, a biblical life counseling and coaching educational organization that teaches and trains educators and coaches in the specialty of life coaching.

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She received her doctorate of ministry and Christian counseling from Jacksonville Theological Seminary in Jacksonville, Florida, and has her master's of arts in human relations slash

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Christian counseling at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. She also holds a master's in theology from the

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International College of Excellence in Tinley Park, Illinois, and a bachelor of business administration from James Madison University.

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She also received an honorary doctorate of divinity from Truth Bible College and Seminary in Jacksonville, Florida.

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She has served as an adjunct faculty professor for Liberty University and other universities.

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This is a very impressive resume, at least from the sounds of it here on her website. So here's one of the first things

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I found when I did a Google search for Jacksonville Theological Seminary. Yes, it's a diploma mill, and the most bizarre thing is that they actually are soliciting people to sign up to become a facilitator, and you pay them a thousand dollars, and now you can be a facilitator or a type of teacher, and you're kind of on your own.

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You actually collect money from the students and send it back to them, and then somehow they send you your pay. It's like you're your own independent contractor.

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This is not a real school. Here's the facilitator information packet, where you fill in your qualifications and why you should be a teacher here, social security number, address, name of your ministry, credit card information, academic policy, et cetera, et cetera.

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Basically, this is similar to the one we saw before, where they want you to come in here with your own teaching stuff, you know, the things that you've developed already, and they don't have to do anything.

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So you get your degree from this place, and then you can turn around and become a teacher, quote unquote, or a facilitator.

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This last part, I don't understand. I've read through it a couple of times. You're supposed to collect the money from the students, and then you'll get paid back by the president of the school once a month.

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It almost looks like you get to keep 50%, but I'm not sure if I'm reading that correctly. In any event, it's not the normal way a school would function at all.

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Here's their homepage. If you click on the Contact Us button or page, then you see the address.

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If you do this Google thing, you'll see that this is a very, very drab little office park, and there's no sign.

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This is not a real seminary. This is just office space with people doing this online, and it's pretty much a scam.

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But this is how Dr. Candace Smithyman gets on the Sid Roth program, and Sid thinks she's great.

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Oh, by the way, A Touch of Asia is listed. It's a place where you get your nails done.

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The seminary isn't listed, but A Touch of Asia is. Candace Smithyman claims to have a master's in theology from the

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International College of Excellence in Tinley Park, Illinois. Let's take a look at that. Well, guess what?

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The International College of Excellence only lasted from 2009 until 2012. It's out of business.

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I did find the address, which goes to this big church here. So this is another little diploma mill, part of a megachurch,

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Family Harvest Church. They only brought in $419 ,000 total, but this guy, Victor Dixon, as the secretary, made $109 ,000.

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The whole thing is run by a fake doctor, Dr. Rob Thompson, who is now selling his own courses so he can make all the money just for himself.

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And like most of these people, he claims to be much more than a pastor. He's a businessman and a life coach.

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For everyone, it's purity of heart. Oh, by the way, she does claim to have an honorary doctorate of divinity from Truth Bible College and Seminary in Jacksonville, Florida.

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Everything's in Jacksonville, Florida, for some reason. Let's take a dive down into the address of the

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Truth Bible College and Seminary and see what kind of establishment we're looking at here.

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Let me zoom in here. Oh, hang on. I got to get the street view. Let's have a look at the seminary.

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There it is. There's the Truth Bible College and Seminary where Dr.

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Candice Smithiman, who's already a doctor, she got an honorary doctorate from this fine establishment.

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Here's another really popular guy with Sid Roth, Dr. Kenan Bridges, who has actually been a host of the show when

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Sid wasn't there. I asked in an email for his educational background. He never answered me, but I was able to dig it up on Facebook.

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It says that he studied at Clark Atlanta University, which is a real school, but it doesn't say he got any kind of a degree there.

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Then it says studied Doctor of Philosophy, PhD, Theology at Life Christian University.

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I did find the Facebook page for this so -called university, but it was an address for a church, and that's what the church looks like.

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This is an unaccredited school, part of a network of online schools.

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You can see here that it's very inexpensive to get a master's degree or a doctor's degree, and it's all for Word of Faith sort of learning.

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I found a video on their YouTube channel that wants to get you all worked up and excited about taking classes from this place.

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Let me show you just a little bit of that. By the way, those pictures you saw of the famous preachers like Kenneth Copeland and Joyce Meyer and Rodney Howard Brown and Benny Hinn, they didn't study here.

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They were given honorary degrees by this place, which is just a way to pump themselves up. That name,

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Life Christian University, rang a bell with me because earlier when I was looking at Kevin Zadai, he has his own school, which

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I didn't even mention. It's not a real school. It's just a bunch of classes online, probably things that he's developed for various purposes, so he thought he'd make his own school.

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On his website for his sort of school, he has something called Partnering Universities, where he's encouraging students,

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I guess, to get further education if they want to. If you go to the top of his page, you'll see where it says

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Partnering Universities. Guess what these Partnering Universities are?

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Look at that. It's Life Christian University and Primus University of Theology. These are schools that will indoctrinate you into Word of Faith hyper charismatic teaching, and they will make it look good if you want to get a job teaching or pastoring in any of those sorts of churches.

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But these are not legitimate schools, and you certainly shouldn't be calling yourself a doctor in the same way that somebody like Dr.

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Michael Brown is a doctor. Let's go back to the online school of ministry that was founded by Sid Roth himself.

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You see Dr. Michael Brown, you see the fake Dr. Kevin Zadai, and then you see this guy, Dr. Mark Verkler.

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I was only able to find his background on his own website. It says, Mark has received a Master of Theology from Miami Christian University and a

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PhD from Carolina Christian University. So I had to look those up because that does sound pretty legit, doesn't it?

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There's a website called geteducated .com. It has a list of diploma mills, and Miami Christian University, the place where Dr.

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Verkler was supposed to have gotten his master's degree, is not recommended at all.

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Now, I'm going to admit this is really boring filmmaking or video making. I typed into Carolina Christian University.

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That's where Dr. Mark Verkler claims to have gotten his PhD. And I went through five or six pages, and I never found any school with that name.

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There's a bunch of names that are similar to that, but there is no college that's named Carolina Christian University, at least not that I was able to find on the internet.

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Maybe it's so long since he went there, he couldn't remember the exact name. So he typed it in wrong.

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And he called it Carolina Christian University when it's actually called something else. That doesn't seem very likely.

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Normally, when you get a doctoral degree, you remember the place that gave you that degree, the university.

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But who knows? This is just another example, though, of a doctor calling himself a doctor. And I don't see clear evidence that it's a real doctoral degree.

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My guest, Dr. Francis Miles. And I am overwhelmed with the revelations you brought forth in your brand new book.

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It's called Dangerous Prayers. Why did you write this book?

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I wrote this book, Sid, because I wanted to. This guy does not list his academic credentials anywhere that I could find on any of the current websites.

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I actually had to go back to a book he wrote from 2010, and I found this on the back cover.

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At the bottom, it says, Dr. Francis Miles has a doctorate in theology and biblical studies from Grace Bible College and Seminary and a doctorate of divinity from Hope Consortium of Colleges based in Illinois.

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So first of all, Hope Consortium of Colleges based in Illinois doesn't sound like a college, obviously.

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It sounds like a consortium of colleges, and there's frankly no such thing as this entity whatsoever.

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Now, there is a real college called Hope College, and it's a real college. It's just not in Illinois. It's not a consortium.

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It's in Michigan. What about this Grace Bible College and Seminary? Well, I did find such a thing, and guess what?

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It's just another diploma mill. Here you can see their website, an apostolic school of global mission, associate's degree for 900 bucks, bachelor's for 1080, master's for 1680, and a doctorate for 1240 bucks.

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Pretty nice, huh? Here are the four people listed as staff for the seminary, Lyndon Hutcherson, Timothy Simmons, Lee Evans, and Mahi Pataki.

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Now, I want you to notice something very interesting. This school is supposed to be accredited, and here is the

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International Association of Christian Schools, setting the standard for excellence in Christian education.

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Look at all of the seminaries and Bible schools that are accredited by this organization.

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At a glance, you might actually think this is legitimate, but what you will quickly see is that these are all basically the online fake diploma mill schools.

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Here's Victory School of Theology. Note the template for this website.

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Here's Southeastern Bible Institute. Looks similar to the last one. Wait a minute, there's the

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Souls Bible Institute. Looks pretty much like the previous one. Here's the

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Redeemed Bible Institute with a handsome president. Wow, look at that guy.

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Now, here's the New Life Bible College and Seminary. Sounds suspiciously like all the other

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Bible college and seminaries on this list. Wait, there's the New Birth School of Theology, and it looks just like the other ones.

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The Legacy Bible Institute. Now, wait a minute, there's Lee Evans, who's listed as the president of the

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Legacy Bible Institute. But you'll notice that Lee Evans is also the dean of undergraduate studies at Grace Bible College and Seminary.

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Hmm, that's peculiar. Well, let's look at some more of these so -called schools.

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Kingdom School of Theology. Yep, looks like all the other ones.

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Another diploma mill. And then there's one called the International Bible College and Seminary.

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Looks like you can take whatever first word you want and then just tag on Bible College and Seminary afterwards.

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Here's Fruit of the Spirit Bible College. I guess they missed out on the word seminary for theirs, but still.

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Looks like all the other ones. Ooh, I like this one. Look at that sword. The Excalibur School of Theology.

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Wait a minute, look at the president. His name is Dr. Timothy Simmons. I think I remember that name from one of the other schools.

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Hang on a second. Yep, there he is. He's the dean of graduate studies at one place and the president of another.

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I think you can see that what this is is just one online diploma mill with a bunch of different names.

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They do have a few names listed, like the president on the homepage, but they don't have addresses.

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They're not physical places that you can actually go to and visit. And of course, you can't hold these people accountable.

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If you read the fine print on most of these websites, they admit that these degrees do not hold up outside of church and ministry usage.

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Now I also want to show you New York University. This is the school where Dr. Michael Brown, the real doctor, went to school.

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When I typed in NYU and looked under images, I found images because this is a real school.

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This is actually one of the best schools in the country. It's really hard to get into. I think only like 15 % of the people who apply can even get into this school.

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It's one of the top rated, top 15, 25 or so colleges. It has a very substantial

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Wikipedia page. If you're looking at a school and it has no Wikipedia page, that's a really bad sign.

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That's a sign that you're dealing with a diploma mill. And a legitimate online school is connected to a physical school, a real place.

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There's a connection. So I'm not against online schools. They just shouldn't be accredited. They should be legitimate for somebody to use the term doctor.

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So I'm saying all this because I want to be supportive of people like Dr. Michael Brown. Even though I have differences with him,

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I really appreciate the fact that he's a genuine, educated doctor. Okay, I want to get back to the main theme of this entire video, which is

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I believe that Sid Roth is guilty of committing all sorts of fraudulent things. He says these people are doctors when they're not.

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He promotes them as doctors when they're not. He sells their books, their DVDs. He makes tons of videos with fake doctors.

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And it has become the norm for the way he operates his show. In fact, he has more than one show.

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He has a whole series of shows. And there are fake doctors all over the place. I am not blaming any of this on Dr.

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Michael Brown. I want to support Dr. Michael Brown because he's a real doctor. And I want to make sure, as much as I possibly can, that he's aware of what's going on when he's not there.

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And I'm, again, starting with the assumption that he really may sincerely think that Sid Roth is doing a ton of good with hardly any bad.

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And I would say, no, that's not true, Dr. Brown. Please look at these actual videos of the shows and look at the details about the people on these shows.

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Not only the things they say, but the things that they say about themselves. That's where I'm trying to go with this. But just in case somebody has the idea that you can claim to be a actual doctor,

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I want to show some other perhaps more extreme versions or more obvious versions of fraudulent activity.

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Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural.

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My guests are moving in such extraordinary miracles. One guest had 200 gallons of oil supernaturally come out of his personal

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Bible. Anointing with this oil triggers outrageous miracles.

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In February of 2020, not too long after Sid made this show, it came out that this whole thing was a scam.

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And these men were found to be buying oil in large quantities at a tractor supply store.

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And I actually knew about this. Somebody had contacted me when I really had a pretty small audience at the time, and I didn't take that information and do anything with it.

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But a local reporter in Chattanooga actually did the research and found out this basically was a scam.

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And Sid Roth was promoting it as much as he possibly could. My next two guests have created a sensation among my staff.

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Everyone wants to know about this here. Jerry, this is your personal

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Bible. Yes, sir. Correct? How old is it? 19 years. And how long has it been in oil?

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Over two years now. Over two years. Yes, sir. Now, my logic says that it would, like I have underlined in ballpoint pencil or highlighter, that not only would that all be gone after soaking for a couple of years, but that was just my logic.

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I don't know. However, I called an expert, and he agreed with my logic.

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He said this Bible should have, the oil should have so saturated it, it should have swelled up about a minimum of double in size.

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Notice how Sid Roth is actually going along with this to the extent that he's adding more information to make it seem even more believable by claiming to know some unnamed expert who says the

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Bible couldn't possibly look that way when it was in all that oil. My friend Brian over at Bezel T3 took the

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Gospel of Thomas, and he highlighted in it, and he put it in the oil just like these guys did. And it was perfectly fine, just like theirs was.

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Folks, it's just plain mineral oil, just like the oil I bought to submerge the worthless

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Gospel of Judas in as we tested what would happen to this book and the highlighting that I did within it.

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You said he's a charlatan and a huckster. He's neither of those. I know it for a fact.

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It looks as good as the Bible, as a matter of fact. Notice what

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Sid Roth is doing here. He is promoting this scam as strongly as possible. He is selling this big time.

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200 gallons in two years. Johnny, you and Jerry have been involved with this for a couple of years.

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Is it getting old? No, sir. No. It's brand new every day. We promised the Lord when it started that we would not let it become common.

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And everywhere we go, we celebrate it just like it's the first day of January 27, 2017.

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It's just as new today as it was then. And you see, what you have to understand is this oil is coming from this

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Bible. 200 gallons. Actually, it was coming from the tractor supply store.

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Have come from a single Bible. It is impossible for this to look normal.

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And guess what? How many vials of oil for anointing purposes have you given away?

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Over 200 ,000. From what's one Bible. Yes. It's mind blowing.

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You said Sid Roth is a charlatan. I'm sorry to interrupt, but you said he's a charlatan and a huckster.

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He's neither of those. I know it for fact. When did you realize that this was miraculous?

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Do you remember some of the, you use this oil to anoint people. Do you remember the first time you realized this?

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Since it's supernaturally made, this is not manmade. And by the way, I think you told me,

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Johnny, that a engineer or someone you knew on their own had this tested scientifically.

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And what did the report say about this oil? The analysis came back and they said it had some of the characteristics of mineral oil, but most of the chemical makeup of it, didn't know what it was.

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Actually, that's not true. The Chattanooga Times Free Press actually published a detailed scientific study with graphs and charts.

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And basically the conclusion is, yeah, this is pretty much mineral oil. It's tiny, a tiny bit different, probably mineral oil that's had a

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Bible sitting with it for a long period of time. The FTIR profile indicate a petroleum derived product, particularly mineral oil.

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That's what the conclusion was from the chemical engineering laboratories at the University of Tennessee in Chattanooga.

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They said they knew that it was not manufactured by any man. And the only, the final result they had on the report was it's unexplainable.

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But you're having what you call crazy miracles. Give me an example. We were speaking at a ladies conference in Atlanta and one of the ladies that morning came up to me and she showed me a picture.

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She said, this is my son. And he was sitting on the side of a hospital bed. He didn't have any hair.

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He looked real frail. They said he had stage four lymphoma. He was dying. And while she was showing me the picture, the son walked in the door for the conference and he has a full head of hair, a full beard.

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He's smiling. He's waving his Bible around. And I said, what happened? She said, I put oil in his muffins.

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And she said, for days, she said for days

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I would put oil in his muffins every morning. And so he would eat muffins with oil in them. And he said after the next week he went back to the doctor.

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When he went back to the doctor, they said there was no trace of cancer whatsoever. But you two are types of the new that God is doing and God is going to do something with people.

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It's not reserved for those on television. It's not reserved for those behind the microphone.

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Now, I want you to humor me, Jerry, will you?

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Yes, sir. I would like to see the Bible. Would you reach into the oil and show me that Bible?

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I will. I don't know about you, but I'd like to.

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Any of you would like to? I had an idea. Any of you would like to?

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Somehow the outrageous healing power of the oily Bible was unable to help this guy with his hearing problem.

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He's still wearing hearing aids. I talked to a guy that his job is restoring

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Bibles, hundreds. Every month he restores. He said in fact he's watching this show right now because he heard about this and he can't believe it.

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So Sid Roth claims to know a guy who is an expert at Bibles and he claims it's impossible for a

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Bible in mineral oil like this to not get all puffy and for the ink to run. He's just saying it as if we're supposed to believe him, this guy.

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Is he an onlooker to frauds or is he participating in the fraud?

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I think you know the answer. Find something to look at.

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This looks as good as the Bible before it was in the oil for a couple of years.

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I mean, if you take a Bible, Johnny, and you soak it in the rain overnight, you're not going to want to use that Bible anymore.

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I certainly wouldn't want to use it. What happened with your son -in -law in the oil?

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Well that was a crazy thing, but a good thing. He had been out of work.

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He lost his job. So this works for other things besides health? Yes. Anything.

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Okay. I can tell you believe it. Anyway, he was out with his wife and he was in Audis, and there was a broom standing over in the corner, and he walks over and gets it, starts sweeping trash up out of the floor.

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The manager come over to him and said, do you need a job? And he said, I sure do. And she says, come back here and fill out an application and we'll give you an interview.

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And so district called him after that. Now, he didn't get the job, but anyway, that's exactly what happened after he had been involved with the oil.

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Now, he didn't get the job. So these guys with their oily Bible are completely out of business.

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They are not doing any of these things anymore. And Sid Roth just moved on to other things, to promote and to sell.

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Now remember, a huckster is one who sells or advertises something in an aggressive, dishonest, or annoying way.

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So here are a bunch of clips of commercials for the products that Sid Roth sells. And I want you to notice how specific the claims are.

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And I want you to ask, are people actually getting the benefits from these products? Are they actually getting the things that they're supposed to be getting from these products?

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And is anybody testing these miraculous claims? And I want you to ask, are people actually getting the benefits from these products?

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Are they actually getting the things that they're supposed to be getting from these products? actually getting the things that they're supposed to be getting from these products? And I want you to ask, are people actually getting the things that they're supposed to be getting from these products? And I want you to ask, are people actually getting the things that they're supposed to be getting from these products?

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Okay, we don't need any more of that. If you think I only found the really small number of bad commercials, just go to Sid Roth's YouTube channel and click on any of the shows and watch the commercials.

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You'll see that that's the norm. Now, here's a video that Sid Roth put out in the year 2020.

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You can see right there in the upper right corner, Sid Roth 2020. And then the upper left corner, it says

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New. So Sid Roth wanted to get over a million subscribers and he thought, what can

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I put up that would grab people's attention? And he found this three -year -old video and he slapped the name

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New on it and put the year 2020. That's pretty bad, but the content of the video is really the problem.

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The actual video is over an hour and a half long, so obviously I'm not going to play most of it, but I want to take out some clips and I want you to hear the kind of false teaching and prosperity teaching that was being featured and promoted and encouraged by Sid Roth on his own program with fake doctors,

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Jesse Duplantis, Keith Ellis, and Kevin Zeta. Welcome you, our ISN viewers, as well as our broadcast partners,

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GB America, Inspiration TV, and Emmy TV, which covers Israel and the entire

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Middle East. I have been looking forward to this show, Jesse Duplantis, for a long time.

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Thank you, sir. You know, I am so, my expectancy,

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I said this before we came up, my expectancy is always higher than what occurs, but you know what?

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I don't think I'm going to say that today. I think we're going to have God show up.

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I really believe that. Let me make this announcement. The only person God ever made sick was

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Jesus Christ. On that cross, he had leprosy, high blood pressure, cryptic arthritis, infectious disorder, cancer, diabetes.

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He took your infirmity. He bore your sickness, and by his stripes, you were not going to be healed, were healed.

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That's the truth. Sid Roth Okay. He took our sickness. Kevin Zeta He took it. Sid Roth But where, so where did, where did the sickness come from?

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Kevin Zeta Perfect. I've had people say, I don't believe, listen, I am sick. I said, I'm not dealing with your I am sick. I'm dealing with your word healed.

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If I can get you to look at your word healed like you're looking at your I am sick, I'll get rid of your I am sick with your word healed.

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I'm Jesse Duplantis, and I approve this message. We carry eternity around with us,

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Sid. I brought Jesus with me into this studio today. You see what I'm saying? And you know, you said before the break that I'm like a child.

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I really am, because children are born believers. Saying that children are born believers goes against the concept of original sin, and that's not an accident.

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This is one of the things that Jesse Duplantis teaches. Here's a clip from something that Justin Peters did recently with a little bit more detail on that topic.

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And if you ever had any doubt as to whether or not the word faith movement constitutes a different gospel, this clip should put all of those doubts to rest.

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Watch what Jesse Duplantis says about Zacchaeus, and notice that Kenneth Copeland and George Pearsons give their approval to it.

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Watch. You know, I was preaching this the other day, that opposites attract, but so the outcasts attract.

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Zacchaeus was an outcast, but so was Jesus on the other spectrum, an outcast. Now think about that.

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When he saw that man, Zac, I can just call him Zac, he saw something in Zacchaeus that no one else did.

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You know what he saw? Most people believe in original sin. Some people believe in original sin. He believed in original goodness.

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I said, the Lord told me, he said, I believe in original goodness. I could see the good in that man. So Jesse Duplantis says that when

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Jesus saw Zacchaeus, he didn't see apparently a sinner.

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No, he didn't see original sin. No, he saw original goodness. And they just believe everything you say until you teach them the doubt.

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So when God tells me to do something impossible, I go, okay. So simple that you need a good theologian to help you misunderstand it.

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Make a long story short. I began to read and I was just fascinated with scripture. I mean, I was fast. I said, look at this.

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And I mean, they thought I couldn't understand this. I can understand this. Well, anyway, I got, I saw how

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God showed himself to people and I thought, why don't he show himself to me? And then I read that scripture.

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He's no respected person. So I'll begin to hound God for lack of a better way to say, I want to see you. I want to talk to you.

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How often did you say that to him? I'm going to say, I'm going to say this is conservative at least 200 times doing this period.

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I was irritated. I said, listen, I stayed up last night and you didn't come. Jesse Duplantis is encouraging people to demand

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God to do whatever it is that we want him to do. And people think it's funny. I mean,

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I thought he had to come at night. I don't know. I just thought he did. You know, crazy thing.

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And to make a lot, I went to a revival and there was a preacher. He said, young man, I was young in those days, you know, I was 25 years old and make a long story short.

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He says, the Lord told me that you've been asking to see him. And I thought to myself, okay, come on, buddy.

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Come on. He said, the Lord is coming to see you. You'll be sleeping and you're a maid.

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He called Catherine the maid. She wouldn't like, but anyway, the maid and she will not wake up. Now, this is the most supernatural thing that happened to me other than my salvation.

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So I stayed up all that night. Nothing happened. Two weeks. Nothing. I was so frustrated. I didn't call the man that he missed

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God. I didn't know that. How do you miss God? I didn't know that about that. And then one night I went to bed and I always sleep on my stomach and I, but ready to go to sleep.

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All of a sudden, when began to blow said, when I say when I'm talking, when it blew the curtains up on top, the rods, it was blowing through.

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I'm going to get goosebumps. Thank Jesus. Blowing through my skin, coming up under my nails, blowing out of my face. And I was on the bed and I was like pin.

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And I went, my God. And the Lord, I heard him. This is audible. This is not, this is not vision. This is all physical.

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I'm seeing the curtain flying up. He said, you asked to see me turn around. And I went like this. No, gee.

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I wasn't scared. It just was, I was freaking out by the best way. And he asked me three times and he, the second time he said, you asked to see me turn around.

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And I went, God, I was pinned. I thought Kathy will see it. So I started hitting Kathy with my fist. I said, get up.

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And Kathy is like, did you really hit her bruise on her? This big. Okay. That's the only time

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I've ever hit my wife. I'm hitting her and she's going to get, and I mean, she's a very light sleeper.

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Finally, the last time he said, you asked to see me when blowing my God, I'll never forget that long as I ever lived.

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Turn around. And I said, Lord, forgive me. This is, you know, I didn't know what to do.

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All of a sudden the wind stopped and I went like this and I was so mad at myself as you stupid, stupid.

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You asked God to come see, you wouldn't even turn around. And I hit Kathy again. And she goes, what? I said, you missed it.

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You missed it. She said, what do you mean? I said, God was in the room, but no, you got to sleep all the time.

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You understand? And Sid, to make a long story short, I got up, went into the, uh, my, uh, living room and I sat down.

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I was so frustrated with myself. God had come to my house.

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He had blew the curtains up on the rods, man. I mean, wind went through my skin. You don't have to believe it, but it's true.

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You know, it's true. You can tell, but you're hearing it now. You know, it's true. You can tell, but you're hearing it now.

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This is a pretty common tactic for Jesse Duplantis. When he tells a really outrageous story like the one he just told about God coming into his bedroom, he's encouraging something called the suspension of disbelief by saying, you know, it's true.

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Actually, people are being skeptical and he's trying to shut that part of their brain down. Make a long story short.

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Then I heard him in my spirit like you normally do. I said, God, I'm sorry. I didn't turn around. He said, I'm glad you didn't.

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It's better that you believe me and not see me. Well, Sid, since then I've seen the Lord many times. I've seen many angels and I'm not bragging on that.

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I mean, I see these things. Kenneth Copeland told me, he said, how do you see it, Jesse? I said, like you, I hear the audible voice of God.

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If you ever been in one of my sermons and I start moving in the Holy Ghost, you'll see me do this because he's talking. It's not like an earpiece.

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That's wrong. I could just hear what he's saying. It's audible to me. You know why God don't get to talk to people?

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Because you're praying. I'm going to shock you when I say that you're praying so much. You don't give him time to talk. You go to Jesus.

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Oh, you got one of them come to Jesus meeting. Oh, and then you stop praying and he's about ready to talk to you and you get up and you walk off.

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And he goes like this. He goes. So according to Jesse Duplantis, God's trying really hard to talk to us.

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And the problem is we're praying too much and then we don't stop and wait for him to talk as if the

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God of the entire universe is dependent on us to hear exactly the right way in order for him to be heard.

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So I have conversation, Sid. I said, Lord, I want to know some things. Yeah, but what happens if he's not answering you?

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Do you continue the conversation? Oh, he does answer. That's he wants to talk to you more than you want to talk to him.

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I'm not exaggerating. Every time I've ever said, Lord, he said, what? He said, let's talk.

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What do you want to talk about? I said, I need to know some things. What about this? What about that? And Kathy's heard me.

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I'd be laughing in my study. He's he's actually very funny. Look at some of the people he made. But see, if you go through all that religious rigmarole stuff, oh, most gloriously,

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Heavenly Father, God. No, no, no, no, no. Jesus. I call him Jesus. He called me

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Jesse. I'm going to tell you something you've never heard before. You know why sometimes things go real good? I asked a lot about that.

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I said, you know, Lord, things have been going real great with the measure, everything good. I said, where's the devil? He said, he's putting out fires.

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Now, these are my conversation. I said, he's what? I said, he's putting out fires. I said, what do you mean? He sowed rebellion in heaven.

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He's got rebellion in his camp. Listen to me. I like, oh, listen to me. See, Bible said, what you sow, you reap.

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That includes angels. He said, they got, he's been lying to them boys and they left heaven and they say, you don't own everything.

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See, I've been debt free since 1982. That just drives the devil nuts because he's told all his demons that he owns everything and they say, well, not

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Jesse's place. Now people say, who do you think you are? How much time you got? Because I got to go from Genesis to Revelation because every,

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I am in every verse, you in every verse of that book. He wrote it for you. He didn't write it for himself.

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So I just accept it the way it is. I am, I'm very childlike when it comes to believing the unbelievable.

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I want you to answer this question. Uh, someone does not believe they have that relationship that you have with God.

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They've been a believer 20 years. They have prayed, they've done every method and system they know.

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Give him some advice. You've been religiously brainwashed instead of new Testament taught. See, you're going through the rigmarole of religiosity.

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God ain't interested. You know, God never created Christianity. Man did that. God created Christ. God created

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Christ. Since Jesse Duplantis constantly looks down at so -called religiosity and denominations and any kind of formality in church, he liked to tell lots of stories and jokes to establish doctrine.

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He's totally free to ignore historic heresies, which he just gave an example of the fourth century heresy of Arianism, the belief that Jesus was created by God.

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God created Christ. There was something called the Nicene Creed, which established mainstream Christian doctrine that said that Jesus was not a created being.

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All of that can be ignored by people like Jesse Duplantis with the full support and approval of Sid Roth. God sowed

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Christ so he could have Christians. See, Jesus was a seed so we could be his family.

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And I love telling that to Jewish people. They say, you Jewish? I said, I'm adopted. You adopted?

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I said, yeah, yeah. He made me an offer. He made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Don't get mad at me.

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It ain't my fault. It's he that gave me power. My daughter said this. She said, Daddy, everything you touch prospers.

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I said, you know why, Jodie? Because I create my world and then I'll walk in it. I don't let other people create the world around me,

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Sid. See, you got the Sid Roth show. You create this show. I mean, it'd be kind of odd if you'd say, you come and ask somebody, what y 'all want us to do?

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No, you know, you got producers and directors and things of that nature. See, I do that in my daily walk with God.

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He said, what are we going to do today? I said, well, Lord, don't you know?

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He said, no, you're my hands. You're my feet. So God is literally waiting for Jesse Duplantis to tell him what he's going to do on any given day.

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God -given destiny and purpose. Don't miss out on getting Jesse Duplantis' two -book package. Is there a prayer that you can pray to jumpstart us?

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No. What it is is that you just sit down and try and get out of the religious way of thinking.

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Sit on your couch, wherever you are in your house, and just say, Lord, I need to talk to you.

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I want to be your friend. See, that's another thing I read that Abraham was a friend of God. Wait a minute.

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If Abraham can be a friend, how come I can't be a friend? You know what the Lord told me? He said, I need friends, Jesse. Does this sound like the

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God of Holy Scripture, or does this sound like a figment of Jesse Duplantis' own imagination?

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See, most people pray to him and never talk to him. Now, I want to tell you something. What's going to happen?

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You're going to feel foolish. You're going to feel silly because your intellectual activity, your range and research, your induction and reasoning, that's all in the mind.

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But see, you're getting out of your mind. You're saying, Lord, all of a sudden, you're going to hear something. First, you'll sense the presence.

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He'll come in that room. I mean, you're going to get some goosebumps. You go, whoa. Because see, the body can't handle anything spiritual.

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It just reacts. It doesn't know what to do. But that spirit goes, it'll pull real quick. Your spirit is in 100 % contact with God if you're born again.

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What your problem is, is in your soulless realm. You want me to prove it to you? If you go to a mall today, you see somebody in a wheelchair.

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Ready for this? Your spirit says, go over there, grab them, pull them out. In the name of Jesus, rise and walk.

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Your spirit goes, yes. Your mind says, control yourself, fool. You crazy? You're going to get a lawsuit if you don't watch yourself.

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You see, that's the intellectual activity. So Jesse Duplantis is now making an argument for the non -use of argumentation.

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We shouldn't be using our intellect or our reasoning. And if we stop using our reasoning and our intellect, we will automatically just go and do the thing that our spirit wants to do, which is to heal people.

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You know, the thing that he doesn't do either. Instead of talking about this concept, which is a form of reasoning, why doesn't he just show us footage of all the people he heals every single day, which is what he claims to be totally capable of doing?

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So what I did, I didn't try it. Now, have you seen my television show? Have you ever saw me sick?

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Depressed? Disappointed? Discouraged? I don't have time for that.

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Yeah, there's some people here, you got a lump in your breast and you're about to turn it into cancer. That's not going to happen.

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When you go home today, right now, that's being taken care of. You do a breast examination, don't holler too loud, but you ain't going to find anything.

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And he's going to take the fear out of you because fear tolerated is faith contaminated. I refuse to fear.

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Listen to me. I refuse to fear because that's not part of my DNA and it isn't yours neither.

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No matter what happens. You see what I'm saying? God is in control, not in control of the earth. One man said, he told me, you know,

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God's in control. I said, no, he's not. If he was, if he was, there'd be no pornography. He's not in control.

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He's one of the ways in control in heaven. Ain't no pornography, ain't no crime. Well, God owns it all. No, he don't.

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No, he don't. Because if he did, you'd have no seed to sow. You see, you have to understand who you are.

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That you are, this planet is under man's domain. Now, the least is going to run out.

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Don't misunderstand me right now. It's ours. There's the presence of God is here and all things are possible.

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Can I say something to you? The Lord just told me, he said, tell Sid Roth this, I'll give him more strength than he ever had at this age.

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When he, even when he was young, he said, tell him to ask me and you'll find yourself. You'll feel the cellular structure of your body starting to get stronger and stronger.

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And they're going to be some things that's going to happen in your personal family. I said, what is that, Lord? He said, that's none of your business.

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That's between me and Sid and the secret things belong to the Lord, but something's going to happen and it's going to be for the betterment of it.

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Oh, thank you, Lord. He said, tell him he's been found faithful and faithful people

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I cherish, saith the Lord. Now you notice we've multiplied a little bit.

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It's not loaves and fishes, but I have Dr. Keith Ellis over here.

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And, and those that don't know my friend, Keith Ellis, don't know one of the most amazing gifts when he,

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I can say this when he had and, and, you know, you know what a lot of other people can say this when you have a dream, what percentage of your dreams come true?

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When God gives me a dream, it's 100%. But he's moving at a new point in, in the spirit.

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And I believe I'd have to say this because he's just getting started again with this new level.

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I believe when you hear something from God, it's going to be a hundred percent.

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Yeah, I believe that. And, and I'm going to tell you something, the angels of all of us, the anointing on all of us is going to be compounded.

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And I believe, and all of these gentlemen had told me that any miracle you read in the

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Bible will be standard, normal. I want you to be normal, normal.

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So Sid just claimed that all three of these men told him that all of the miracles from the Bible were going to become commonplace and normal.

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And yet after about four and a half years, none of that has happened. In fact, what has happened is we've had this worldwide pandemic.

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We've had people die from a sickness and there has been no great healing crusade to prove themselves to be the great healers and miracle workers that they claim to be at this time.

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Hey, Keith, what did you just tell me? I said, the power is here. What does that mean? That means you're going to get some things that you never thought you was going to get.

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God is going to do some miracles, healing signs, wonders. Jesse Duplantis, I want to say this, Dr. Jesse, brother

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Jesse, he walked over there to me and was talking to me. And while you were talking to me, you put your hand on my shoulder and it was like I was getting a sunburn and I'm feeling it right now being there,

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Sid. The power and the anointing of the Holy spirit is here now. It's here.

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Anything can happen. Jesse, what are you sensing? Power of the Lord is always present.

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Sometimes it's not always received, but it's always present. And if you need a miracle, whether it's spiritual, physical or financial, just say something.

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The Bible said, when you pray, believe that you receive, not when you get it, not when you see it, but when you pray, how many of you know how to pray?

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Yeah. You got a miracle waiting on you. Just that simple. Kevin, what's going to happen during this segment?

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Well, the Lord told me that people need to get over themselves. Notice what Kevin does here. He starts with the idea that people need to get over themselves.

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Is he talking about being more humble, putting more attention on Christ, not being so demanding of God and accepting his will?

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So it's time to jump in to the river of life and just enjoy yourself here in this presence and take it home with you because there's a lot of people that need this.

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Yeah, you know, Kevin, you had downloaded in you when you were in heaven, things that you don't even know yet, things that you don't even know yet.

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Think about that. Somehow Sid Roth claims to know for sure that Kevin Zadai had things downloaded in him that he doesn't know yet.

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How does Sid know that? How does anybody know that? Here's what I think is really going on. Kevin Zadai has this story about briefly dying and going to heaven.

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He comes back and he writes some books. He goes on some shows. He sells some DVDs and courses. Well, now years go by and he needs to sell more of those things.

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He needs to go back on TV shows. He has to have more stories to tell. So he keeps going back to heaven and keeps having these new revelations because just teaching from the

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Bible is never enough. Here's an example of him in 2020 when he was on the Sid Roth show talking about all the fire that he saw when he went to heaven.

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And he saw it and he knew about it, but he didn't release it until sometime later. I think another really good explanation is simply that he just keeps making up new stories so that he can go back on the show.

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And Sid Roth likes these new stories, so he lets them come on. Well, I encountered this fire, Sid, and I didn't know exactly when

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I would be able to release all this. So for many years, I didn't even share these experiences I had. But since I've met you,

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I've released now to do this. What I saw in heaven was that there was altars of fire. The angels were on fire.

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And then I saw that there was a sapphire floor that was on fire as well.

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So holy fire is actually something that's in heaven. But it's ready to come out. And I've noticed this about you.

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It's like you tell your story of what happened when you were in heaven, but it's a continuous story.

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I mean, it's still happening of everything that you've learned from the Lord. If you could just share one, one nugget, one nugget that's going to change someone's life, what would it be?

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Well, the one thing that I learned from the Lord was, is that we don't ask for enough. Jesus himself in the

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Bible taught us to pray, give us this day our daily bread. But now Kevin Zadai went to heaven and heard something completely different, which he claims he got from God.

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But as you're about to see, he really got it from Jesse Duplantis. We think that we're going to somehow dim the lights of heaven when we ask for too much.

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And the Lord, the Lord took the limits off me. He said in Mark 9, 23, he said, do you notice there's no asterisk beside that verse?

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It says, if you'll believe, nothing shall be impossible to you. Did you notice that there's no even Greek scholar that can discredit that?

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He said, there's no limit in heaven. He said, if you have limits in your faith, it's not me. That's what, that's what

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I got back from heaven is, is that the level is, you're setting the level because there is no limit with God.

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Amen. Can I say something? Kevin, what Kevin just said is so true because the

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Bible said he's dealt to us the measure of faith, not a measure. See the churches preach a measure.

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No, no, it's the measure. Everything Jesus has, you have. Now, are you willing to exercise it? You know,

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I have all the same muscles as Mr. Universe. What you laugh for?

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I know why you laugh because you can't see them, but they're there. Well, you know why you can't see them? I didn't work them, but they're there.

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It's the same thing with your faith. That's what the Lord was telling you. See, now he's my, one of my spiritual sons. I had Kevin when

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I was 66 years old. But I'm telling you,

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I feel like the Lord does just say that. Ask him, come on. I mean, you can never impoverish God.

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You got over 7 ,000 promises in the Bible. You use about 15 of them your whole life. You can have the whole 7 ,000.

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People are going to think you're crazy. It doesn't make no difference what they think, but it makes all the difference in what God says and what

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God thinks. You see, so what do you want? Oh, listen, don't, don't ask

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God for a need. What are you doing it for? That's a waste of spiritual energy. He said he supplied how many need? How many need?

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What are you, what are you wasting spiritual energy on need? Don't tell him what you need. Tell him what you want. Because when you get what you want, you destroy all your need.

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When you have what you want, you don't even think about need. I know what you're thinking. That's greed. No, no, that's growth.

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Jesse Duplantis teaches very clearly and consistently that whatever it is that we want, whatever we desire is, is there because God gave us those desires.

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And so if you want a really nice car or some really fancy jewelry or anything, big house, that was planted by God.

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And so you're actually disobeying God when you don't desire things.

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This is the gospel of selfishness disguised under some very thin veneer of Christianity.

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What are you wasting spiritual energy on need? Don't tell him what you need. Tell him what you want. Let me say it again. Prayer is never a verbal activity.

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It's the self -expression of deity through the concentrated soul. Prayer is never a verbal activity. It's the self -expression of deity through the concentrated soul.

01:31:43

This sounds like something you would hear at a new age convention, and it just happens to fit in fine at a word of faith convention as well.

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See, the New Testament idea of prayer is that it doesn't originate in man. Every prayer you ever prayed did not originate with you.

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It originated with God. Now, I want to say that I said this on one of the sessions, and I want to get on this.

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How many times you've walked by, and you might be shopping, and you see, I don't know, a diamond ring.

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I can see you like jewelry, right? You like jewelry. Nothing wrong with that. That's good stuff. God's got the places. Heaven's full of jewelry.

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Okay, so watch this now, and you think, ooh, man, I like that. Now, the church will always say that's greed.

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No, no. God placed that desire in your heart. That did not originate with you.

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That originated with God because he created that stuff in you, his child, and he wants you to have it.

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Don't shout me down when I'm preaching good. You're not going to understand that yet. I can see some of you going, huh? No, no. Oh, you walked by a car.

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See, because you've been told so much that that's greed, and you got to, no, no. That's God originating. Delight thyself, therefore, in me, and I'll give you the desires of your heart.

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You see? So, let's say you want to, you ever drive by somebody's house, and it just feels like it's your house?

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Now, you would never go up there and say, get out of my house. No, you wouldn't say that because it would be wrong, but you just got to.

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What Jerry said, the Cape Cod house, that's my house. Why? Because God put that in him.

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Do you see that? See, the reason why you thought it was your house, it is your house, but you see, you're thinking, oh,

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Jesus, I can't afford that. He's not asking you to afford it. Where did you get that in your crazy mind?

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He didn't ask you to pay for it. He asked you to believe for it. See, but the church world has taught us to pay, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay,

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PayPal, pay, just pay. When you should believe, if you believe, you will pay. You will get it done.

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It won't be no problem whatsoever at all. I'll never forget one time we was at our, and Kathy likes jewelry and stuff like that.

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It was around Christmas time, and we walked into this jewelry store that we liked there in New Orleans, and we know the owners and all that kind of stuff, and spent quite a bit of money in that place over the years.

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So Kathy, immediately she leaves me. I walk in there, she just take off. Why? She on the hunt.

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See, the law has already put something in her. That's why I don't get mad, because it's not originating from her.

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Oh, some of y 'all ain't not getting this. Notice how when he says something very unbiblical, very anti -Christian, he has to stop and say, oh, some of you aren't getting this.

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This is a mind control technique. This is a wolf who is teaching a perversion of Christianity.

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See, for we know not what we should pray for as we are. So you think, oh, I don't deserve that. And God says, yes, you do.

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Boom, he puts it in your heart. So she's just looking around. I started walking. So I see

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Tommy, who's the head of the, he owns the store. I say, hey, Tommy. He say, hey, Reverend. So we get to sit there talking. So I'm kind of talking to him, and I'm leaning on one of those, you know, cases with all the stuff like that.

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And Kathy says, oh, I see some things I like. I say, that's fine. Now, we have a special salesman named

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Ken, and he goes, and he working with it, you know. Finally, she says, oh, I think I like this. So he says, Kathy likes it.

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I say, that's fine. He said, you don't want to know what it costs? I said, no, I don't care. He go, what? I said, just here.

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We'll pay you. Just cut the check. Now, I'm not bragging about that. Why? Because I know

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God originated that in her heart. You see what I'm saying? Actually, when I'm seeing eyes on Jesus, when I look beyond Jesus's head,

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I see all the things, all my desires, all my needs, all my wants coming to me like a tsunami. And he's got a smile on his face.

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I'm going to shock you. He's never turned me down one time. I have to watch what I say, because I just flat get it.

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He's made me rich. I'm going to say that. I'm not bragging. He has made me rich.

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I'm one of the richest men in the city of New Orleans. You understand what I'm saying? I don't mean that privately. God has done that. Jeez. I mean, he had blessed me.

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I got a home, son, that'll make spit fly out your mouth when you look at it. I own two plantation homes. I got a small one that's 7 ,300 square foot.

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I own that one. That's a small one. I got another one that's 40 ,000 square foot. Am I telling the truth, happy?

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If I'm happy, and Jeannie come. Lord, I got a bed so high, you got to have a ladder to get in it. Am I telling you?

01:36:09

Got to get steps. Glory to God. We got some stuff, boy. I'm not bragging on that. God been good.

01:36:15

Everything I touched is prosperous. Ah, Lord. I got to watch what I say, because see, there were desires in my heart.

01:36:22

The Lord's my shepherd, I shall not. See, he going to take care of the needs stuff. It's the one stuff.

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Well, I don't want to get greedy. Trust God enough to know that you're not going to do that if you're listening to his voice.

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So Jesse is teaching people the voice of God is the voice in your head that wants to desire material things.

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The Bible, the actual word of God, warns us a lot about the dangers of wanting too much stuff in this life, and being selfish, and being too self -focused.

01:36:52

Jesse Duplantis is teaching the opposite. He's saying that God actually wants you to desire things. Those desires actually come from God.

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And Sid Roth is in complete agreement with this false teaching. He's in agreement to such an extent that he took the video from 2017, he slapped the word new in the year 2020, and he reposted it and pretended that it was a new video.

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And when you understand that, when you have what you want, you don't even think about need. Think about that for a minute.

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You know why people are happy in heaven? They got what they want. If you tell your husband what you need for Christmas, you're going to get a vacuum cleaner.

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That's not for you. That's for the house. Tell him what you want. That's not greed. That's growth.

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Jesus never asked his father for a need. He told his father what he wanted.

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If you're a grandparent or a mother, and you're in a grocery store, and a child says, mama, grandma,

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I want some ice cream. Is that greed? No, that's just a child wanting some ice cream, right? Why do you think it's greed to tell your heavenly father what you want?

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Oh, excuse me. You're not God's adults. You're God's children. Always remember that.

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This video is already quite long. I don't want to go into a long study as to why that's a bad teaching, but I think any serious

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Christian can see through that. Even if you don't think about it biblically, think about, do we give our kids whatever they want, and if we do, what does that turn them into?

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Yeah, it turns them into brats. As I've been listening to Jesse Duplantis for hours now, putting this video together,

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I'm just stunned at how good he is at being a terrible false teacher. He's so likable.

01:38:30

He's so funny. He talks so fast. He seems convincing until you just take it apart a little bit. All he wants to do is be a blessing to you.

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Just ask him. You're not going, he's got warehouses so full waiting to turn loose on you, spiritual, physical, and financial.

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Notice this is the exact same thing that Kevin Zadai said he heard from Jesus himself when he went to heaven on one of his many trips.

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Well, the one thing that I learned from the Lord was is that we don't ask for enough. He said, there's no limit in heaven.

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He said, if you have limits in your faith, it's not me. You told me if I would let you share something,

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God was going to do something special. I'm calling you on that. Let's see here. Well, then the Lord's moving so powerfully here.

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Jesse preached a sermon one time, brother Jesse, all you need is four crazy friends. When they couldn't get in, there was no way possible for them to get into Jesus.

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They just got up on the roof and tore it off. And what the Lord said to me, oh, I just feel like I can preach here tonight.

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Listen to me. Listen to me tonight. I feel like tonight there's something you've been trying to get from Jesus that you hadn't been able to get.

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But I believe tonight is the night that you're going to get that break. Kevin, you told me that you really didn't want to come back to earth.

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Why? When you were in heaven, why? Well, I argued with him because I did want to come back because of all the,

01:40:05

I saw how slow it was down here. I saw how if you don't stay in your game, stay on your game and stay focused, you can get off really easily.

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And I saw that from the other side. And so he said, when he come back, would you tell people the real truth about me?

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So God asked Kevin Zadai, would you please tell them the real truth about me? This poor little

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God, he needs Kevin. And tell them that there's nothing impossible if they'll just go ahead and yield to the spirit of God.

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He said, I'll take them places that they haven't even thought of yet. Their destination will be even further.

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And he, this is what he said. He said, he said, I need history makers. I need, I need people to change people's destinies, change where they're going to end up.

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You can do that by speaking the word of life. I woke up the other night and the Lord was standing about for me, I guess to that crowd and he went, just like that.

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Now you don't have to believe it. You didn't need to. I saw it. I went, Hey, he just smiled.

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And he woke up. I said, what are you doing? He said, I was watching you sleep. I said, you're watching me sleep. He said, you know where I learned it from?

01:41:07

I said, no, where you learn? He said, you remember when Jody was little, you'd go by her bed and listen to her sleep and listen to her breathe.

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How many of you did that to your children? Oh God, that's what happened. And I told him, and I felt that a lot to tell you. I told,

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I said, Keith, watch yourself. He said, what? I told him this a while ago. He said, I never heard it before. I said, God told me,

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Jesse, in my study, Jesse, I'm God. I got the power to take your life. I thought, Oh, okay. He said, but I don't have the authority.

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When I told it to Sid, Sid went, he said, Jesse, death and life's in the power of your tongue, not mine.

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Think about that. Does Sid Roth actually approve of this? Sure seems like it.

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Does Dr. Michael Brown approve of this? Well, we don't know. He doesn't watch these things very much.

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He's very busy. I really hope he watches this video. I hope a lot of people send it to him, and I hope that he takes the time.

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And it is some time. It's an hour and 45 minutes. How else would you know that these things, these very heretical, unbiblical things are being said, unless you actually took at least some time to do a little bit of homework.

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That's what we all need to do, especially those who are deeply involved in programs like this. And if you're going to very passionately support

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Sid Roth, well, then you should know what Sid Roth is teaching or what his guests are teaching with his approval on this program.

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So I hope this video has been helpful in that regard. I really do. When you slander a brother.

01:42:33

It doesn't seem to me that Jim Osmond is guilty of slander. When he used those really aggressive terms to describe

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Sid Roth, I think he was being truthful. Dr. Michael Brown, I really think it would be so much more useful if instead of accusing somebody of slander or just describing people like me as a hypercritic, why don't you just say, hey, let's all get together and look at the evidence.

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Let's all just look at Sid Roth himself. Let's look at his show. Let's look at his guests. Let's look at the claims on that show.

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And let's all consider whether or not he is guilty of being some sort of a fraud. I never hear you do that.

01:43:09

That's what I would really like to see. I've known Sid since the 1980s. I've had family members that have worked side by side with him.

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He's neither a charlatan nor a huckster. He has not accumulated personal wealth through the gospel. He does not use the gospel for personal gain.

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I don't agree with certain guests that he has on. I would differ with him on different points. What about Kevin Zedai?

01:43:32

Do you agree with him? Actually, I'm pretty sure you do, since you wrote this glowing foreword for his latest book.

01:43:40

But I have walked with him and seen his heart for the Lord for decades. He lives a godly life. I have never met a person in America who is more zealous to win people to Jesus, who will call me with biblical questions to make sure that fundamentals are right on.

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So when you make a judgment not based on Scripture… Actually, if you would have given

01:44:02

Jim Osmond a chance to talk, instead of talking over him, he would have argued from Scripture a great deal.

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But based on your perception, and you think that you have the right to damn someone to hell… Number one, people are damned to hell by their sin, not by anything that any person does.

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And number two, we are told by Scripture repeatedly to judge a person's teaching and compare it to Dr.

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Michael Brown, will you ever get to this really core issue, and that is, is

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Sid Roth and his guests and his show in general teaching things that are false?

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Yes or no? Or will you spend the rest of your life talking about how you know Sid Roth personally, and everybody who doesn't know him personally is incapable of making any kind of judgments about the false teaching that goes on during his television program?

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That's very serious, and that is such an extraordinary blind spot to me that you and other hypercritics don't see.

01:45:03

That grieves me terribly. Here's someone I've known firsthand, shared office space with in the 80s, and I've known for decades, and in terms of his personal life, has never moved a single inch from wanting to glorify

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God, demonstrate his power, and win people to the Lord, especially Jewish people. Yeah, there are guests he has on I'd never have on my show, and differences

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I have over that, but that doesn't make me question whether he's saved or not. But when you call him a charlatan and a huckster, right?

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He's not. He's neither. I know him. I know his staff. I know his team. He's neither of those.

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Now, you may say he has crazy guests on. Dr. Michael Brown, this is not about just having some crazy guests on.

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The issue that you do avoid almost entirely is these people are false teachers, because if you listen to them, they teach things that are false.

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They teach things that are heretical, things that you have already said yourself, admiringly so, are heretical.

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They're doing it on The Sid Roth Show, with Sid Roth's full support and promotion. That's what is happening in this video that you probably will never watch, or even if you do watch,

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I'm afraid you will never admit that you watched it. I don't know why you do this, and I really sincerely hope that this stops.

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This is not us slandering a man. This is not anybody sending somebody to hell or condemning somebody to hell.

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This is also not the issue of cessationism versus continuationism. I'm not saying anything about that in this video.

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I'm talking about actual false teachings and fraudulent and deceptive practices taking place under the very specific leadership of one man,

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Sid Roth. This is looking at false teachings being spread to millions and millions of people worldwide, and it needs to stop.

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That's what I'm trying to do. I think he believes crazy things, but to call him a charlatan and a huckster, you have no knowledge or evidence of that.

01:46:54

Dr. Michael Brown, I just showed a considerable amount of evidence that Sid Roth is a charlatan and a huckster, and I could make 10 more videos just as bad as this one.

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Doesn't it concern you to speak such words like that and to judge others in such a severe way?

01:47:11

Dr. Michael Brown, doesn't it concern you that these things are being taught on the program of your very close friend, that you claim is leading a holy life?

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It would be so much better if everybody was just looking at the teaching that's going on, on the

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Sid Roth program, and then compare that teaching to biblical Christianity. May the Holy Spirit of God grant each of us wisdom as we soberly consider these difficult issues.