What is a Reformed Baptist

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Hold on Keep among misfits a
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Misfit in the trailer park at night a misprint with the six cents been sick ever since my brother died of an
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OD Never made sense either to me or anyone else's side of the
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My right side Tell me what's the bottom line the bottom line is
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I'm not I Can't find my assigned seat to sit in my theology don't fit in black sheep of the
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Reformation sheep Baptized again the best
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Give me a Bible in a bookshelf of dead men cigars bourbons and beer cans bowties tattoos and Making All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the open -air theology show
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I'm Open -air theology hallelujah, and And I'm also one of the elders at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tallahoma Tennessee if you're ever in this area, please come check us out.
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Also if you like the song to that intro The single drops the 22nd of this month and I'm gonna need y 'all to go check that out
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All right, why don't y 'all go Go ahead Tom. Okay. Yeah, my name is
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Tom Shepherd. I'm with Grace Bible Church of Bernie I'm a member there and I head up the evangelism team that goes out every weekend
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To Fredericksburg, San Antonio Bernie all over the place making much of Christ in the open -air knocking on doors having having gospel conversations and Telling people to repent and believe and I am blessed to be a part of the show with open -air theology and these yahoos
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Hi there, I am Braden Patterson, I'm the pastor of Valley Baptist Church as of right now come
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December though I am having the great blessing of being called to be the pastor of Grace Bible Church of Moorpark, California if you live in Southern, California, I would love to see you in December Go check out
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Grace Bible Church in the meantime But it'd be a great blessing if you live in Southern, Idaho Come worship God with me until December until my family and I move
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I have a YouTube channel called reform decks Mormon and it is It's alright being a co -host with these yahoos
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It's a great blessing I'll tell you what man like sometimes I'm telling you what
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Oh Braden here. He's you know, he can only talk for an hour tonight.
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So We can't get too crazy tonight We got to give him some grace.
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What are we talking about? Well first we got to go through how our day was right yes
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Did y 'all have a Lord's Day today? Yes every day. All right, let's set apart as a reformed
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Baptist. We've been in seven So for sure, so how was your Lord's Day Tom, man?
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It was really good. So this this weekend. We had dr John Street who is a
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ACBC counselor matter of fact, he's the president of ACBC Biblical counselors and he came and he did a conference on marriage and I'm telling you
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I mean the first day, you know, he said everything up the second day. It was just ouch. It was it was
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It was you know Not not the big hurdles that we have the big sins that we see in our life that messes up but the little little things like irritability and and It was convicting it was really convicting but it was it was wonderful I got to meet him and our whole church was a part of it
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And then he got he preached today on bitterness, which was another ouch It was just it was so good and then we went out both days doing evangelism in Bernie still which made for a long day later
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What was going on, but it was fantastic and God is good. Good What about you?
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It was good. Hi my co -elder here at Valley Baptist he preached today and so he preached on Galatians 3 verses 10 through 14 and Just brought some some interesting insights on how today some some things that are outside of religion
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Some some cultural aspects of what people say you can't be a Christian and do X Y or Z things that are just not biblical and so he really pulled that in and showing how we have modern -day
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Judaizers that are both religious and Non -religious Judaizers that that just make different classifications on on what a
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Christian is. So it was it was good It was a blessing just to be able to worship with the Saints here and Valley Baptist was awesome
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And just to sit and hear the word preach was good. How about you Jeff? Yeah, it was good, man.
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I feel like it started yesterday me and red we went out and evangelizing and man
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I'll tell you what Yesterday was truly a blessing to be out there. It was raining here
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So we preached in the rain for a little while and man We had a ton of people stopping able to have good gospel conversations
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Was able to help a woman get into a homeless woman get into some fine sheltering into a rehab program
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Like the Lord was just doing some some work out there and a lot of people heard the gospel And then
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I come home hung out with the family today. I woke up for the Lord's Day and it was really good man
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I preached on On John chapter 13 talking about washing feet and got the pail and water out and And wash some clean feet.
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No, I'm just playing But I mean like, you know, like it the way that it presents itself.
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It seems like it's a positive wall, right? Jesus tells us that this is something we should be doing if we're not doing it
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We need to understand why we're not doing it and I'm kind of touched on that a little bit today
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And I'll get back into it next week on why it is that we do not wash feet But other than that, it was a fantastic Wars day, man
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It was truly blessing had a lot of different people from my congregation Walk up to me and tell me how much they really was blessed by the message
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Although whenever I was preaching it, I felt off. I didn't feel like I was there my so but I haven't heard it yet.
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I Didn't feel like it was flowing. Well, so it was good to hear people say that it was Amen if you or Tom ever try to greet me with a holy kiss you're getting a holy fist, right?
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Those big hands Go ahead
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I heard a rumor that that that pastor Braden Patterson might be come to Texas here soon
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Yes Gonna hang out the old gray -haired man.
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Yeah I figured it was time. I spent some time with you before we we put you out.
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Well, you're not allowed to You're not allowed to kill a deer in my yard. Yeah, there's gonna be at least three dead deer by the time
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I'm gone You're gonna wake up there's just gonna be a slit deers neck right in front of It's gonna be great
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Good in Texas Let me catch someone up. So someone just asked about Jackson just asked about the the church building
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We still haven't heard anything new. We're just waiting. I I did speak with one of the well, the president of the
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The Duck River Baptist Association Here who talked to the main guy over the church that we're getting it from I spoke with him had breakfast with him
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And he mentioned that that they're not going to they're not trying to make money off of the building.
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So that's a good thing and So it looks pretty good. It looks like we're going to get it and So when
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I'm not sure I was hoping we'd have it in October so that we could do some kind of outreach at that time nearing the
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Halloween and Thanksgiving and Christmas to try to reach out to the neighborhood around us
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In a way to bless them, but we'll see That still can happen. I'm in the process right now of building me a new pulpit and You got all the wood and everything
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The legs for the pulpit will be here tomorrow. I had some handmade legs for it
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Yeah, it's not it's gonna be nice. I heard you were standing on your last one. That's why it broke.
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Yeah Well, it is what it is I'm Stephen Anderson We are doing the show on reform what is a reform
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Baptist today, right? Yeah, so the first thing that we go So we are talking about what is a reform
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Baptist and I'm gonna name off because a lot of people they just talk about the Three C's I'm gonna name off my list and if y 'all have some other things
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That's fine. We'll go over it. But we'll just go ahead. Let me just say point something out real fast, though The reason that we want to do this because being a
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Baptist really means that you believe in believers baptism That's what qualifies you as being a Baptist and usually that you hold on to some form of Congregationalism Or yeah being a congregationalist in some form or fashion
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But there's a lot of people today that use the term reform Baptist who are not reform
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Baptists Stop Stop it. So many come at you look if you if your
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Facebook profile has reform Baptist on and you're dispensational Before we hit this season in the
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D's and the P's me all One of the qualifications to be a reform
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Baptist is to learn how to toast the cigar and what you want to do as a reform But attention, you know, you don't want the flame to touch the end of the cigar
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This is the reform Baptist way to toast a reform Baptist way is the
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Zippo There's your see there's your
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Calvinism See I'm gonna have to check the confession.
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I don't know if either of you are right on that Well, also one of the things about being a reform Baptist this goes for women to you
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Y 'all women need What do you expect okay, what do you expect?
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The blacks of the Reformation sheet pan, okay, let's go. Okay. I got a list here
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And this list is gonna piss some people off And that's okay because if it does you're just not a reform
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Take it off your Facebook profile YouTube stuff you ain't a reform
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Baptist. Stop it. You're just confused Look, you're just muddying the water and we live in a culture that shouldn't be muddying the water any more than it already is
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Stop it. We baptizing clean Clear water not that's right. That's right.
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All right. Let me get to my list and y 'all can add but We'll go through and talk about it right first one is
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Catholic credo creedal confessional covenantal Calvinistic long gospel distinction and we host the means of grace
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That's my list cessationist Well, yeah, but we have to define
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I'm a neo -sensationist just so everybody knows neo I Would call myself a biblical sensationist
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Because we're not in agreement on sensationism, I kind of did not put that in there However, we can talk about that and we're going to be doing a show on Sensationism in the future here saying how about this cessationism in the sense of the close of Canon and that there's no more
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Apostles that are speaking authoritatively for the church for sure. Yeah Close canonist
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I'm gonna go with that Yeah, we're close canonist, but cessationist though is one of the C's is all
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I'm trying to say yeah for sure for sure He's only got an hour there's two seats
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In close canonists there is there's more season close canonists Michelle we were wondering about you girl
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Who we got we got Michelle we got Melissa We go. Oh we got red Got Nathan, yeah
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Please be sharing this around with everybody We really want to hope we hope that this creates a little bit of a wave
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Amongst those that are claiming to be a reformed Baptist. That shouldn't be so Get back to your list
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What was number one? So the first one Catholic we are for a reformed
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Baptist is Catholic Now, what do we mean by Catholic Brayden? Not Roman Catholic? Yeah for sure
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I had a witness we was talking to one of those the other day, but also met a really good general I'm really nice a gentleman who's
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Who's a Catholic that seems to? Well, I feel like he lied to me for a second because but then
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I had to show him that he's conflating some things However, I don't think he actually realized he was lying to me
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And so I'm hoping to have some continual conversation for him. But what do we mean by Catholic? It means the universe universal body of Christ So if you are a part of the body of Christ meaning
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Christ paid for your sins You're in the black person. You are a sheep. You are a part of the Catholic Church Universal so we would also say that that the
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Catholic Church is made up of of everybody that is in Christ They are professing where they are not only professing believers, but they are actually in Christ.
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They are true believers in Christ Mm -hmm All right, are we good there?
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Yeah. All right. Let's go to the next one credo
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This is where we're Baptistic, right? We believe that only
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Believers are baptized now. This separates us from Roman Catholic as well as other
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Protestant denominations that are a part of the Reformation Mm -hmm
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All right. So this is a This is distinct for us Who come out of the the reformed movement, right?
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I was about to say something else I better chill out because I about jumped over to to hear another one
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It's really hard to keep this in order, right? Right. So we believe that you know that a person has to enter into the new covenant, which is the new birth
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I mean they enter into the kingdom and that in the kingdom of God The covenant that surrounds the kingdom of God is the new covenant and in order to enter into that kingdom that covenant
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You must be born again. And then when a person is born again, they receive the sign of the covenant right continuity
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With the old covenant when someone entered into the old covenant the earthly kingdom people of God the
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Jews They had a first enter in by birth and if they were a male child they partook in the sign of the covenant which was circumcision translate that over to what we're saying in the new covenant a
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Person is to enter this new covenant kingdom of God by being born again And those who are born again male and female received the new covenant sign, which is baptism.
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That's right Amen. All right. Y 'all have anything y 'all want to add to that? Let's talk about it
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Nope, I would just say to Jackson somebody that commented on our YouTube We did do an episode on our
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Scott Clark because he does argue that Baptist shouldn't be using the word reformed Yeah The whole confession the 1689
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It was written to show commonality and trying to show unity along with the Presbyterians and the
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Congregationalists, right? And so just because the term Particular Baptist was being used back then it was distinguished
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It was to distinguish yourself from the general Baptists Which was trying to show association with the other reformed groups and so just because that term wasn't being used in that that time period doesn't mean that they weren't arguing that they were to reformed reformed typically reform means the three
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C's which is confessional Calvinistic and Covenantal and so that's what reformed
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Baptist you're gonna see here a moment are and so That There is such a thing as a reformed
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Baptist. Sorry our Scott Scott Clark. You're wrong. That's right. That's right Yeah And so the particular right there when they called us particular
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Baptists is it was just pointing out that we hope to particular Redemption we hope to limited atonement
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The general Baptist for going astray and actually if you if you extend that out it was turning into universalism
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They got everyone Yeah, so which are Calvinism in that time because there are
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Calvinistic Baptists that come to the same conclusions regarding doctrines of grace as reformed Baptists do but back then to be coming to the conclusion of Calvinism was meaning that you were a confessional
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Calvinist that you held to the confession and Because of covenant theology you were swated to believe in Calvinism And so by saying that you were a particular
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Baptist you were saying I believe in covenant theology like my other Presbyterian brothers and sisters in the faith do it with some some nuances here there, but There was unity with that reformed.
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Yeah But credo, yes. Amen. You said Jeff. Amen. 100 %
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The sign does not come before birth. It's right birth Entrance into the kingdom and then sign taking that's that's how we always use.
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I'm you know, I've said this before on here I don't mean to be grotesque, but but the Jews did not enter into the mother's womb before the child was born to circumcise them nor should we
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Baptize anyone who has not come out of the canal of the new birth
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Also in in in Genesis when it's talking about the the the covenant with Abraham the the old covenant even
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People that were Gentiles that would come in it says if you purchase a slave Then you're to circumcise them.
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But the question is is what came first the circumcision or the purchasing? Yeah, the part is purchasing and then the circumcision
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So it's still that continuity and discontinuity that we see between these two things first You are born again, you are partakers of Christ and then he purchases with his blood then you receive the sign
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It's it's this clear clear line between both Jew and Gentile be born and you ever Baptists are not big on putting carts before the horses.
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That's right. We won't we want the horse to pull the cart And so that's where our
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Presby brothers and sisters fall off the wagon They fall off the wagon because the wagon is in front of the horses.
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That's right. It doesn't work All Right the third one we're cradle or cradle, what does that mean
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Tom? Well, we hold to a creed we hold to a creed
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I don't like doing the creed I wanted to do the Calvinistic one Okay, I'll skip you then, you know You can't handle the cradle
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All Right, well that just means that we hold to the the historical creeds of the church
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Particularly myself. I hold to the four ecumenical creeds, right? So so each Each month at our church we read for a whole month one of the creeds right now.
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We're going through the Nicene Next month we'll read through The Apostles then after that the cost of the
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Chalcedonian definition then after that the alpha nation and And that's how we begin our service.
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We begin our service aligning ourself with one of the four ecumenical creeds Which points us back to?
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Catholic, right? So essentials of the faith The essentials of the faith right the
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I believes or the we believe right? So we would say that we are cradle we align with the historical four ecumenical creeds
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And that that just goes to show that we believe in sola scriptura and tota scriptura, but we don't believe in Solo scriptura meaning for sure.
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We don't ignore what Christians have taught on the subject We don't want to be independent in our faith away from the church at large.
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And so The if you are a Baptist and you are trying to claim the title of a reformed
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Baptist But you're walking around with the saying I have no creed but Christ right stop it
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Yeah, you ain't a reformed Baptist and you should have all two creeds creeds are a good thing In fact that statement no creep of Christ is a creed because of that's agree
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Yeah, and I want to be in harmony with all other Christians on these nights, right I was just to say keep
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Foskey actually had a had a question You know He said, you know when people come up when you ask a person if they're a
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Christian and they would say they're a Christian You know, you still have a lot of questions, you know regarding what they believe when you're creed
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Oh, it kind of answers those questions when you say that you're a Calvinist It also answers a whole bunch of questions of actually where you stand in what you believe.
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That's right That's right It's a cradle.
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Are we good? Yeah All right, we're rolling them I didn't think it was gonna do it
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Good Lord an hour. We might even get done in 45 minutes. What else are we? So I'll pick on you
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I Would also say that the creeds are something that also distinguishes us from false religions to real quick on that Mormonism as we talked last week
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Joseph Smith The way that the church the way that the LDS Church the latter days The latest day
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Saints as we taught called it last week how they've gone about showing what Joseph Smith said in the 1800s was that supposedly he was told that all our creeds are an abomination in the sight of the
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Lord and So that's talking about the Nicene Creed I would also say that that's talking about specifically the confessions because that's what
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I remember learning a lot on when I was LDS But also I Mean the creed like I believe that I'm saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone
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According to Scripture alone all for God's glory alone. That's a creedal statement That's the creeds from the Reformation that we hold to and Joseph Smith said no creeds are abomination lies of the
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Lord. And so Great being creedal is is important Beyond just the title of being a reformed
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Baptist. You should be a reformed Baptist, but creeds are Particularly important All right, what was next next is confessional
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You have to be confessional you're you have to be anchored in the 17th century with a confessional document right, right
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Why is it important to hold to a confession tell everybody why? What is it
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Some of the confessions and then I'll stop talking for a minute and we'll let someone else take the mic
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But I can do whatever but I was just so so whether your first London So if you're
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Baptist, you can hold to the first London, which which has a update
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So the first London is 1644, but it was updated in 1646 and then the one that we hold to was written in 1677 but wasn't published till 1689
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Yeah, as for the the Presbyterians They would hold to the Westminster, which is also
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Produced in 1646, but also I think it was actually published in 1647 if I'm not mistaken
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So depending on what website you get you get a different year I was told that truly pressed true
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Presbyterians owed to the sixth say that it's 1646 no matter what it says And then you have the
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Savoy decoration written by John Owen Yeah, I mean, I mean
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Yeah So to be rooted and found it in a confession right and if you want to kick off why we hold to confession
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I think it's the question you asked, correct? Yeah, why? So I think it goes back to that same argument of creed.
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So in 1st Timothy 3 Paul writing to Timothy in the first century.
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He says Great indeed we confess or by common confession great is the mystery of godliness
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He was manifested in the flesh vindicated by the Spirit seen by angels proclaimed among the nations
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Believed on in the world taken up in glory. And so this is a first century creedal statement that was already in Circulation in the early churches before this
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Holy Scripture was written and it made its way into Holy Scripture so creedal statements are
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Totally. Okay, as long as they're in harmony with Scripture. In fact, I think Paul is actually encouraging common confession with one another and so when we add more so it as Tom already said if somebody said
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I'm a Christian I have a lot of questions regarding what they believe right a lot of questions because anybody can click LDS are claiming that title however, if somebody came up to me and said
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I'm a Christian who believes in the five solas and I hold to the 1646
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West Minister Confession of Faith and I go to And I'm a part of a crack church right immediately my mind's popping in with definitions of what they're talking about who they're a part of what they associate with where their
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Theology is landing. I can almost assume insinuate that they're most likely Post -post -millennial without them even saying it right and so the conveying a confession
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Having a confession is a is a document that's well worded That shows your unity with other believers and listen when when
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I sign my name to the 1689 for example And I'm not saying I literally signed my name to the 1689. But when
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I say I'm a 1689 reformed Baptist My name is sitting next to hundreds of Thousands of other
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Baptists who said this is what we see in Scripture as well. And so great
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Great is the common confession amongst brothers And so that's that's the point that I would say what's being confessional is it clearly?
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Defines what we believe if I go and talk to somebody on the street and they want to know more about my beliefs
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I can just hand them a book and they can take it home and know exactly what I believe And they can use it as a ministering witnessing tool to themselves, right?
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It It's one thing to say I believe the Bible right boom. I believe the Bible Amen, I believe the
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Bible right, but I believe the Bible doesn't tell me what you believe about the Covenants It doesn't tell me what you believe about what
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Christ did. It doesn't tell you what occasion justification It helps keep
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Christians aligned into a faith You know when you go to an orchestra and you hear everybody playing a sheet of music and everybody's playing in the same
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Melodic line it keeps us in guide right here as soon as somebody goes outside The confession helps us stay inside about what it is that we believe and so when you just look at the type chapter titles
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In the 1689, what is what is the 1689? What do we believe about the Holy Scriptures? Well, it's based on what the
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Bible says about itself. What does the Bible say about the scriptures? What does the Bible say and what do we believe about God's decree?
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What do we believe about sanctification justification God's covenant all these things? So it helps us from from going astray outside the faith
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Into some heresy. That's the importance of a confession. Mm -hmm Another thing that I find that is quite remarkable that I've seen amongst those that claim the title of Reformed Baptist They typically love
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CH Spurgeon, which everybody loves CH Spurgeon, right? You can't you don't ever really find somebody that doesn't like Spurgeon This is what the spur this is what
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Spurgeon says regarding the 1689 but the confession He says this ancient document is the most excellent epitome of the things most surely believed among us
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It is not Issued as an authoritative rule or code of faith whereby you may be fettered
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But as a means of edification and righteousness, it is an excellent though not inspired
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Expression of the teaching of those holy scriptures by which all confessed Confessions are to be measured.
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We hold to the humility humbling truths of God's sovereign grace and the salvation of lost sinners salvation is through Christ alone and by faith alone, so Spurgeon was a
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Reformed Baptist. He was not just a Calvinistic Baptist, right? He was a reformed
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Baptist. Amen Yes, so again for all y 'all people out there who claim Notice the word claim claim to be reformed
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Baptist In order to be reformed Baptist, you have to be confessional
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You have to hold to a reformed Baptist confession of faith. And now I say that not trying to be mean
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It's just spitting spitting truth. I like definitions and one of my biggest pet peeves is when definitions get stolen and Then muddied and then changed and then adapted and then lowered and then it just fits more and more people
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It's so frustrating Which we would see that kind of in the Baptist faith and message in a way it's a it's a it's a light
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Interpretation of of the 69 and it strays everything watered down. It's a watered -down confession
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Because it's a more plausible. It makes it more easy to believe it's it's more inclusive And so if you if your whole idea is to grow the church in numbers
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You know one of the best ways to do that, you know humanly speaking is to be inclusive
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So there's a distinction a reformed action has a distinction Yes We want to include all those who think rightly who divide the scriptures rightly
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About what it says So it says to study to show yourselves approved unto God a workman meaning not being ashamed rightly
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Accurately handling the word of truth and so that's what the confession does it accurately handles the infallible
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Word of God Hmm. Yeah, I would say that if and like a baptism reform
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Baptist Church if you were to go to a truly reformed Baptist Church what I'm saying is that all the elders and most maybe even a membership hold to the 1689
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And That that just brings about unity like that that just shows a harmony as I like that Illustration you did
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Tom with the art orchestra like it would be not good if you had somebody playing jazz music and someone doing the piano and somebody doing
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Beethoven and like all these different things going on it wouldn't sound good, right? All right And so that's the whole point of this is that this is this is showing that we have unity and the in the deep matters
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Of God in Scripture, right? All right.
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Are we ready for the next one? All right Covenantal we're not only confessional we are covenantal
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By covenantal we mean we hold to Baptist covenant theology also known as 1689
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Federalism now, can you be a reformed Baptist and hold to the Presbyterian classical covenant theology?
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Yes We're happy about it, but yes We ain't afraid to talk about them, right
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Y 'all can do y 'all's little you know messages about it all you want, but you're not bringing it to the forefront
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You're not bringing it to those That have an issue with it, right and you so here's another question that people aren't gonna like can you be?
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Dispensational and hold to the 1689 No, because the chapter 7 of the 1689 7 what are you talking about?
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Starts us. Oh, sorry. Seven. Sorry my fault my fault Listen, you have in order to be a reformed
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Baptist. You gotta know we're talking about covenant theology. Shush shush shush
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How dare you the other day? I I corrected you on a chapter and it was a deep chapter It was like chapter you did but but here's the difference what?
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We own up in our theology Yeah, we were people saw Listen I gotta see some document proof
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Here's the question Jeff and answer this question Why is it why is it that the confession the
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London Baptist Confession of Faith will will be inclusive? Why is it acceptable to to include
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Presbyterian covenant theology and? Baptistic covenant theology what about the confession makes it loose right there?
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But yeah, the dispensational wouldn't hold be included in that. Well, it's only loose in chapter 7
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As As you keep reading chapter 8 chapter 9 chapter 10 and so on and so forth
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It strengthens chapter 7 that covenant and it distinctly puts it in the position of Baptistic that the covenant that we hold to is baptistic.
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It's and what we like to go I mean, it's been coined 1689 federalism. I'm not really big on that name.
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I call it Baptist covenant theology yeah, and so now
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Form of covenant theology in which in which I would you know, like like if I was around a
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Presbyterian and he was arguing with someone about Dispensationalist about covenant theology or if I was around a
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Baptist that was arguing with a dispensational about covenant theology I would align with him at that moment and help him in that argument
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And then after we defeated that person we'd go toe -to -toe on what it really is, right
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Because covenant theology even if it's Presbyterian covenant theology is better than dispensationalism right now
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Tell us why why would you say that? Why would I say that? What what does it do it?
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There's there's two extremes you have Presbyterian covenant theology Which would be all which would expand the covenant of grace over all covenants right dispensationalist would be distinct from the
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New Testament Right to me. It's two sides of you know, it's a road with two sides of a ditch, right?
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and I'm trying to stay on the Main highway the main highway to me is that this covenant theology and if I gear off at any side
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I'm going to be falling off into error Right and it's two sides of the error right there two extremes in my
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Dispensational on the other side correct and I and I see reformed Baptist coming theology being on the road driving the car the vehicle on the road and Particularly like like if I want to be
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I Want to be specific it has to do with the covenant of grace, right? I want to I Want to make sure that I'm that I'm saying something clear
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That's it. You know clear me. It's intelligible. You understand what I'm saying? Like I don't want to conflate anything.
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And so when I say that when I talk about the covenant of grace I am particularly talk specifically talking about the
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New Covenant Amen, the New Covenant is the covenant of grace. And so that would what?
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that's what makes Baptist covenant theology different than Presbyterian covenant theology because they would say that the
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The old covenant is the covenant of grace and each covenant is an
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Administration of the one covenant of grace and we're saying no those old covenants Adamic mosaic
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Adamic Abrahamic Mosaic Davidic, they're all a covenant of works because there were conditions
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There were conditions right those conditions you had to mean if you didn't meet there was a prohibition
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There was a punishment attached to it the covenant of grace. There is none However, we would say that the
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New Covenant is a covenant of works It's just fulfilled on our behalf by the act of impassive obedience of Jesus Christ Amen, which is given to us which makes it grace for by grace you have been saved
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Because of what Christ has done for us through the New Covenant because as goes to King King so goes the kingdom
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I think the biggest difference between Covenantal theology and dispensationalism is the way they view
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Israel in church We are is it's a man that right and The bleeding
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Israel members of Israel ethnic Jews before the cross. You're breaking up a little bit brother.
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Are y 'all having trouble? Yeah, he's breaking up a little bit. You know, it sounds like it's mine in that You know, it's it's him too, but Brayden.
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So if you're hearing real quick, so also two C's right there Christ -centered verse
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Israel centered. Would you agree with that? Yeah, right yeah,
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I Was trying to look for a quote real fast, but The view of a distinction between Israel and the church came about in the 1800s from John Nelson Darby the the the father or of dispensationalism and so you can not be a reformed
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Baptist and Hold to a whole systematic on how to read your Bible that came about after the 1689 that is
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Contrary to all of the Christians before the 1800s This is it.
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So so Justin Martyr on this very subject on who they
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Because there there was no issue of this for the 1800s No one had this view that there was a distinction between Israel and the church until the 1800s.
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So I Logged with Typho the Jew Justin Martyr versus this for the spiritual is real in descendants of Judah Jacob Isaac and Abraham are we
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Who have been led to God through through this crucified Christ? It has always been the teaching for 1 ,800 years that true is real spiritual
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Israel, whatever title we want to give it was those that believe in Jesus Christ and therefore
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They were a part of the church. You can go and look at all the different commentaries that John Calvin has on the subject and he's very clearly calls
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Old Testament believers a part of the church It's so covenantal theology Sees a unity between both the
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Old Testament New Testament and not a discontinuity of the people of God It's always been the people that believed in God are the people of God So the one the one people of God are
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Those who are adopted in the family by the covenant of grace under the covenant of grace
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Yeah, I would say it's the spiritual descendants of Abraham You can be a physical descendant of Abraham and also be a spiritual descendant of Abraham Only the spiritual descendants of Abraham are in are saved through the new covenant, which is the covenant of grace
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Yes, I just I preached last week Sorry, I if I break up again, let me know
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I preached last week Now on this very subject and John the
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Baptist when speaking to the Pharisees He says do not think to yourself that you have your father that you have
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Abraham as your father John the Baptist says this Jesus and with Zechariah or Zacchaeus not
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Zechariah Zacchaeus he tells Zacchaeus that salvation has come to his household that day and that he is a
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Zacchaeus shush a son of Abraham so There there's several occasions even before the book even before the letters of Paul's where Christ and other people are saying those that believe in Jesus are the sons of Abraham a part of Israel That's what
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Paul is writing about in Romans chapter 2 if you've been circumcised of the heart, you're a true you're a Jew Those that have been circumcised of the flesh aren't the argument in Galatians chapter 3
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That if you have the same faith that Abraham had in the in the same gospel that Abraham believed in Which put yourself back in the churches the the churches of Galatia's shoes they're being antagonized by Judaizers who are ethnically
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Jew and are making the Argument you have to be circumcised in order to be considered
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Christian which is they're trying to say in order to be a Jew you have to be circumcised You need to be circumcised churches of Galatia and and Paul says
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No You were a son of Abraham through faith and that's how it's always been. That's right
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It's not it to believe something other than that is a false gospel. So You are a part of Israel if you believe in Jesus Christ and a story that's what visions to yep
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True Israel Ephesians 2 says you're a part of the Commonwealth You who were foreigners of the covenants of promise have now been brought near through the blood of Jesus Christ Amen, very good,
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Brayden And he didn't break up on that later, it's not perfect I broke up on the exact Kia Something happened
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I'll make the math sometimes All right, everyone's favorite point right the one that everyone gets the claws out
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Calvinistic Amen listen, this doesn't mean three and four points.
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Okay, right? No Yeah, again, do not take the title perform
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Baptist if you're saying I'm a four -point Calvinist That's not how this works as RC Sproul says we call those
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Arminians I Gave a sermon on this topic back in February at the open -air theology call a conference on why
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Calvinism it was covenant theology Calvinism within the covenants and I think
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I made a pretty good argument in there that Calvinism You can be a Calvinist outside of covenant theology, but my
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Calvinism stems from from my covenant theology Yeah, yeah, so Covenant theology is is
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In separately and separately tethered to covenant theology So if if you're claiming that you're a
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Calvinist without covenant theology without the confessions Okay, you came to the same conclusion on the soteriology topic
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Hammer and everything's a nail That's how I view it, right? If all you are is a
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Calvinist all you have is a hammer and everything's a nail when you hold to Covenant theology, right and I would say for the us
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Baptist this room Baptist covenant theology You have a tool belt and you have a shed full of tools.
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You can build something And Calvinism that that hammer is just a tool that we use from the tool belt
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It's not everything Calvinism is not the Sun everything else is rotating around it Well, I guess that that depends if you're around earth or a flat earther, right?
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Worms in order to be a reform Baptist, you gotta believe that the earth is flat I was at a conference of the
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G3 conference matter of fact the last G3 conference that they had in in Countryside Bible Church And they had had a
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Q &A and they had Josh Weiss and and Joel B He was on there Virgil Walker was there and then they had
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Tom Pennington and Steve Lawson Over there and they were asking what what is reform?
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what is a person who is reformed and this is as far as as the as Tom Pennington and Steve Lawson would go was
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Calvinistic and because I know more than that, you know, it's more than that But they couldn't go near so they wanted to be included and that's why you have g3 right now that Accepting all
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G3 Network churches that if you hold the Calvinism basically or if you somewhat agree with the 1689 that you can be included in the network
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But it doesn't hold water. You're not you're not there. You're not there just because you believe in Calvinism does not mean that that you're reformed and so as far as as far as As Tom Pennington and Steve Lawson went they they had to stop it short
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Everybody else was saying no, there's more than that. There's more than just Calvinism Amen.
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Yeah And Calvinism is good. Like like yes, it is. I mean they're holding to truce that believe in the total depravity man
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And I would also add the reason why you see so many people who are making you know
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These anti Calvinist people who are making channels staying, you know I have to hang up there the YouTube channels and you know, like I once was a
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Calvinist I you know, like all these people that are doing this were in fact that kind of Calvinist they were
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Baptist they were They were not reformed Yeah, like I haven't seen a reformed
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Baptist come out and have a YouTube channel saying that I was reformed I used to be a
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Calvinist like Layton Flowers would say that I was reformed. No, he wasn't He doesn't even know what eschatology is right, right so back at the conference he was clearly a dispensational even though he didn't ever
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Claim that That's what I'm saying You don't even understand what dispensationalism is or covenant theology is
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You were never a Calvinist in the same sense that a reformed Baptist is right? Yeah, and I I really do think that Confessional Calvinism is where it's at You think about the
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Covenant and and you think about Israel was the Canaanites a part of Israel? No, Israel was its own thing, right when they made a sacrifice
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It was for Israel not Canaanites right it was for Israel So then you take that same principle of okay, this is the the group of people it was for well
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What is Christ those that are in the new covenant this group of people so you have limited atonement right there
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You have your resistance grace that's demonstrated there. You have it's so Abundantly clear when you hold the covenant theology.
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It's it's remarkable. Yeah, here's another thing You can be a Calvinist at Baptist and not be covenantal
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But you can't be a covenantal Baptist and not be Calvinistic, right? That's right Amen Because one doesn't hold on to the other but the other formats the one the
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Calvinistic right Yes, so which makes Calvinism a tool in the tool belt, right?
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So if I'm having a debate with someone and they start, you know, they start mentioning how God deals with his people
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I'm gonna pull out my covenant my covenant God deals with his people in covenants in covenants.
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That's right You guys have used really good analogies tonight. I got us. I gotta think of one now Listen, I just fly off the cuff son.
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Okay, I don't know what I'm gonna say so it comes out of my mouth Yeah, there's no way there's absolutely no way
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Yeah, I've never truly believed that he was actually a Calvinist and I would also say the same thing for Jason Bretta Yeah Again Jackson just pointed out another thing young restless and reform never made it to the reform part just hipster
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Calvinist. So yeah again like There is a difference between the Calvinism.
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Maybe not the end the end product There's a difference on how they get to it between a reformed
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Baptist and a non reformed Baptist Christian so in covenant theology he'd like like Jeff just said that he deals with a
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Relationship with him as a as the covenant that he is established with man How did
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God establish that relationship with man at that time? And so and then how does he establish a relationship with true believers?
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It's only through the blood of Christ the one mediator between God and so it's the Calvinist that Calvinism is totally
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Based on covenant theology Baptist covenant theology Yep.
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What's the next one Jeff? Let's hear it. All right. The next one is long gospel distinction law and gospel distinction listen to me
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Baptist If you do not have a long gospel distinction Stop it.
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Yeah, stop it. Stop it.
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Okay We'll say like yes Don't Just stop it.
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Tell us why Jeff tell us why Because the law was not the gospel and the gospel is not the law
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Although in the end the law there is good news and in the gospel there is positive laws
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There's positive commands. However, the two are not the same right if whenever Jesus says
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I am the law No, he said he says John John 8 12.
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I am the light of the world Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, right? All right.
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So we're called to follow Jesus. So if I tell you hey follow Jesus I am giving you a command
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I am NOT giving you the gospel if I tell you to repent and believe
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I am giving you a command I never once told you the gospel even if I said repent and believe the gospel.
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I'm still only barking commands I'm telling you to do something that is not the gospel
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Now whenever I say something like Christ died for your sins According to the Scriptures was buried on the third day rose again according to Scripture for by grace
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You have been saved in faith and is not of yourselves. It is the gift of God not of you so on and so forth Right right there.
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I'm spitting gospel. I'm telling you gospel. I'm telling you what was done for you That's right
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And so whenever I witness to someone I give them the gospel and then I give them a positive command to do something
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Right. Our response is not the gospel. You're telling someone to do something is not the gospel.
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You're giving them the law Right. It's like if you go into a room and there's a cop and a felon there
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You want those things to be distinct because if you have those things come together and mix Then it's just a crooked cop and it's not good.
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It's still it's still somebody that can't be trusted So if you mix gospel and law together, you've lost what the gospel is in the first place.
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Yeah, that's my that's my analogy With With Creek churches, right like those
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Well, Doug Wilson was saying that it's all law and it's all gospel right no No, as a matter of fact, that's that is federal vision.
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That's right That's what so so if you want to argue about him being federal vision What makes him federal vision in my opinion is that he does not have a law and gospel distinction
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All right, the law is not the gospel. The imperative is not the indicative He's taken the beauty of the spherical earth and he smashed it down into a flat earth made it all the same
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Well, what one of the One of the best illustrations that I've heard actually
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Brady came up with on on this was here is that God did not throw down the law as a rope to be able to climb yourself up because we know that the scripture says by the works of The law no man will be justified
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Rather that local will be something That's that's right. That's our boy.
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Hmm I mean even if you just want to believe in Jesus like if you tell somebody to believe in Jesus You're telling them to do something you have not told them what
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Christ has done. That's right. Yeah So what did Christ do? He came to fulfill the law the law that we were required to live but could not live
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He came to live in our place and one of the best quotes I bought that I always say that God became a man to live as a man
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To live it that perfect life that we are required to live because that in order to have a relationship with God because he's so holy
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We must live perfectly Jesus said himself be perfect for my father in heaven is also perfect Well, guess what?
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None of us are perfect, but he sent his son He sent his son born of a virgin born under the law
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Galatians 4 and he came to live that life in an act of obedience with the purpose of dying on the cross paying the
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Penalty of our sin giving us power over sin Romans chapter 6 that when we died with cry he he died
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We died when he he was raised from the dead There will be a day that we will be raised and even saved from the very presence of sin.
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I Let's real quick answer Melissa's Point right here.
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She says I do show people the law in order to point them to Christ show them the law and Where they fail then hit them with the gospel
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So listen, so that right there is the first use of the law and the three uses of the law So the first use of the law is what's called a mirror
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Right, and so we use the law to show people their sin So imagine I got a mirror in my hand and so I'm taking the law and I'm showing them the law
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I'm reflecting the law to them where they can see that there's a sinner But it also it showed like if I look at the law, it shows me that I'm a sinner, right?
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So as a Christian we live in what's called a saint and sinner reality I am positionally righteous before God because of what
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Christ has done and yet I still live in this flesh Which pulls at me to fulfill its desires.
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You see what I'm saying? All right So the first use of the law is that we use the law to show people that they're sinners
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The second use of the law is what's called a curb and it's what governments Should should use
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God's law as a curve to keep people from being as evil as they can be The third use of the law this is where we'd have the law and gospel distinction
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The third use of the law is we read our Bibles with Christ the finished work of Christ being our flashlight
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So as we're reading as a reading to the long we see stuff like keep this covenant and live, right?
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Well, we know okay. Well Christ kept this covenant so I can live so I'm not keeping it in order to live
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However, because he's put his spirit in me. He has given me the ability to keep it imperfectly
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But not even my own ability. So when I do something I can't be you know Backpadding theology bootstrap geology.
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I'm looking to Christ for all that And so when I read this to people I use the law and the gospel as well
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Go ahead, even say that our sanctification is monogeristic. It's nothing that absolutely Is monergistic 1st
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Corinthians chapter 1 verses 30 and 31. Yeah experientially It's it's synergistic though in the sense that you and I are still salvation is the same thing.
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Yeah All that the Father gives me will come to me. We come to Jesus why because we were given to him
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Absolutely Faith and repentance repentance and faith We actually will repent and believe but it's because it's given to us
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We would also say we would also say so nobody under misunderstands us as we're not saying that the law was bad
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No, it's good laws. Holy. Holy very good was eternal You know, that's why people are judged at the end because God's law is eternal.
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It represents his very character his very character So it's good, but that's that's how holy he is.
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That's his love. That's his eternality That's all the communicable attributes wrapped up in the one verse
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So there's one verse that just should shut the argument down and it's John chapter 1 and get it pulled up I want to quote
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I can quote it But I just want to pull it up here and read it to you real quick John chapter 1 verse 17
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For the law was given through Moses grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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Amen There's a difference grace and I can actually say
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Moses and Jesus and actually say law and grace Yep, that's right
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One thing I I'm gonna bounce this off you guys. This is something that's been on my mind recently. It's from that book.
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I'm reading for seminary And it brings out something that I think is interesting in Genesis 3 that I've never caught on before It says in Genesis 3 verse 22.
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It says This is the Lord God speaking in here talking about man and woman
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He says now lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live forever
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Therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden to work the ground from which he was taken
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He drove out the man and at the east of the Garden of Eden he placed the chair of him in a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life and Something that this this book is articulating that I find is fascinating is that Adam and Eve they they they partook and Broke the positive command of God.
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They've already come now sinners before God they have guilt on them In that sin, could they ever do anything that would make them unsinful ever again?
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They can't do nothing about that and God even guards the tree
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So that they would not fall into further sin trying to seek their own righteousness before God He says don't let the meat of it guard the tree because they can't become unholy again
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Or become they can't un unholy themselves. You see I'm saying they they can't un -unsin themselves
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They can't bring themselves out of the pit of despair that they are in now However, how does the book of the
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Bible end for us? Well, there's a tree of life and there's no tree of knowledge of good and evil anymore but there's a tree of life that we can now approach because Christ has covered us with his righteousness
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Boy, yeah, that's so good. And I want I want to go to Romans chapter 10 Verse 1 it says brothers
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My heart's desire and my prayer is to God for them is for their salvation For I testify talking about the
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Jews for I testify about them that they had a zeal for God but not according to knowledge for not knowing about the righteousness of God and Seeking to establish their own
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They did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God for Christ is the end of the law for the righteous to everyone who believes in Christ Yeah, that's who we know.
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But also I point out Galatians chapter 1 verse 21 This is something I use when
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I do open air preaching a lot Paul says I do not nullify the grace of God for if righteousness were through law keeping then
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Christ died for no purpose Look like you can actually say if law -keeping were through law keeping right it or if you're being made right with God We're through law -keeping
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Christ died for nothing Paul said I do not want to remove the grace of God For if righteousness if there was any other way you can get get to God outside of Christ Peter the
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Roman, you know this this Pope of Rome right now that we got going on all religions lead to God Paul says if there's any
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If you can do anything, then Christ died for no for no purpose All right, so when it would so so if you just examine that with what's being said
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You mentioned earlier about Romans chapter 10 10 right 1 through 5 they established their own righteousness, right?
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You have the endemic covenant Adam broke that covenant and so all so and so no one no one can
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Can take Adam's place and keep that covenant because if I don't want to keep that covenant he would have lived and also his posterity
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Because Christ has kept that covenant. He's the only one that could keep it Why because he was born of woman and not man
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And the seed of the woman will come and bruise the head of the serpent Even if you could keep
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God's law you still couldn't earn eternal life because you have an earthly father only one person is able to keep the endemic covenant and pauses and he's the one that brings the grace and he does not nullify the grace of God Jesus Christ because if Righteousness if being made right with God were through any other way through the law
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You've been able to be obedient then Christ died for no purpose Which Jesus says himself
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I am the way the truth and life and nobody can come to the father except by me He's the one that in his active and passive obedience that made it possible
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Amen, you know Yeah, I I would just say what Jeff just articulated. There is the superiority of reformed
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Baptist 1689 federalism Whatever you want to call it being a reformed Baptist over Dispensationalism and over Presbyterian ism and there was something
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I said There Is something I said the other day on our text message group, which is
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Presbyterian see the unity of Scripture But lack and fail to see the redemptive historical process that that came about and the
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Disney Sees the progressive history of it without seeing the unity between both the
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Old and the New Testament and so the reformed Baptist is a bull seeing the Progressive revelation and the unity at the same time can you pull up that graphic that you made of the umbilical cord and the baby pointing to the covenant of grace and Knowing how showing how the all the covenants were pointing to the substance
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Or pointing to to the essence who is Christ it it it it pointed
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They were a subservient to the covenant of grace always thinking to the covenant. That was such a good graphic Yeah, can
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I do that? Jeff We both have a hand in this
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You don't even have to read this you can just look at the graphic Image is beautiful Disp is cutting the umbilical cord
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The the dis be is cutting the umbilical cord and saying you see there's two distinct things going on here and the
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Presbyterians Just saying you see this is all the child. Yeah, or there is no baby It's just all umbilical cord.
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Yeah, I'm telling you that is that is classic right there That's listen, if you ain't Baptist covenant theology,
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I don't know what you're doing with your life. I Don't know somebody just said expanse. I'm doing the classic
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Expand look it's a little blurry on my end. Hopefully y 'all can see it. Yeah Every covenant if you want a copy of this picture, we'll send it to you just messages every comment is right here
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There were conditions on the blessings that God promised That's not grace.
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None of that is grace if there are conditions. It's not grace If you have to do something, that's law not gospel.
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Yeah look Grace look we're looking the justified
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Stands The justified is made I'm trying to think of a good way to say this
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This is something I was really thinking on earlier guys. I apologize. It's gonna bring tears in my eyes when I was thinking about it the justified
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Receive unmerited favor because one man received an unmerited curse
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Not a preach You know A lot of shirts on this show we do that that one's the shirt worthy the justified stand
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With unmerited righteousness because let me take this off spring. Yeah, go ahead Yeah, good stuff.
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All right. We got one more We hold to the means of grace the ordinary means of grace
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All right. How does God get us from a to B? How does how does he transform us?
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Right broken image bearers to being conformed to the image of his dear son
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Jesus Christ Right because like once you become a Christian you are positionally righteous before God MacArthur on here just timeout.
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Huh orthodox MacArthur. It's MacArthur with the beard Alright alright
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Cigar It's if MacArthur had an alternate account and he wants to be truly a reformed
01:10:48
Baptist. I love it. Yeah No, for real so concerning the means of grace, how does
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God get us from being broken image bearers and images of Adam? Right Adam Adam is is a broken image of God How do we get from that to being conformed to the image of his son right
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Romans? Chapter 8 beginning in verse 29 to 31, right? He those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son
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Right. So if we were already perfect image bearers of God We would not be being conformed to the image of his son.
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We are broken image bearers of God Needing to be conformed so how does
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God take us from A to B and we would argue that it's through the ordinary means of grace
01:11:39
Tom, would you like to Expand on this or I can't I can keep talking.
01:11:44
I don't mind, you know, I can do this all day So the ordinary means of grace We would say number one is through the preaching of the gospel through through the preaching of the gospel giving giving a person
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Through regeneration, wherever you want to go. You've gone somewhere else with it Yeah, I mean so for the most part, you know when someone receives the gospel that is the ordinary means of grace
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But that is to the preaching of the gospel, right? But how does God like once a person is justified. How does he think?
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What's God's program for sanctification? Right, and so we and so we would say
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Right. Well these things take place within a church context now
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Now you can't read the Bible on your own and you can pray on your own and so on and so forth But we would see the ordinary means of grace as being under the preached
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Word something you're underneath someone opening the Bible and Expanding the scriptures teaching you the scriptures and then those who are baptized
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So being baptized is a means of grace. This is something that God is using to conforming to his image and those who
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Who are in Christ have been justified there They're a part of a local church
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They have been baptized now. They partake in the Lord's Supper and they are partaking in fellowship
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They're partaking in the prayer. So everything that you experienced at on the
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Lord's Day Which I would argue that the Lord's Day should have the Lord's Supper Every Lord's Day because that is a means of grace by which
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God is growing you and holiness, right? And so being under the preached word those that are baptized
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Those that are baptized partaking in the Lord's Supper the fellowship of the Saints God is using these things to take you from A to B From a broken image bearer to being conformed to the image of Christ So I would even say that that starts with scripture
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It starts with scripture that we know that all scripture is written by the inspiration of God It's profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness
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It is our very means to how we how can how do we know how to live a holy life apart from the scriptures?
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Well, we can't so it's based always on God's Word. So what is God's Word and say about going to church?
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What does God's Word say it about a fellowship of Saints? What does God's Word say about baptism?
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What does God say about? The the Lord's table and all those things are the very means of grace, but how he conforms us into his very image
01:14:18
Tom, let me ask you this. Yeah, you went to a marriage conference just the other day, right?
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Yeah, was that gentleman married or has been married? Yes How many years do you remember that he said that he'd been married for well, golly
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Uh, I don't know. It was over 50, but he's been in ministry with his wife Yeah over 50 so 50 years
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Would you take the counsel or the teachings or the lessons of a married man that said
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I haven't seen my wife in 25 Years, I don't sleep in the same bed with her. I don't hang out with her.
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I don't I don't go on dates with her. I don't give her any time I've hardly even talked to her would we would we give any no any heedance to somebody's counsel from that kind of a marriage
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No Why are Christians out there saying I'm such a good Christian, I don't go to church I don't sit under the preached word.
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I don't submit myself to the leaders. I I don't Take in the Lord's table. I've never been baptized.
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I I just got my Bible and I pray well You're no better than the husband that hasn't seen his wife for 25 years
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It says I send her a text every once in a while. Are you actually talking about experiential Christianity experiential living?
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But through the through the through the pits and valleys of sanctification About the peaks and the valleys, you know all the way as God grows us even through trials and tribulations
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You know through through affliction God grows us and all these things and all the meanwhile because we're
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Christians We don't respond. We don't respond like the world But we respond in a way that's pleasing to Christ.
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Well, how do we know that it's through the scriptures? It's through his word It's through God's word that he can transform us by the renewing of our mind we put on Christ And that's hard.
01:16:07
So let's let's address this question right here. Well, it's not really a question It seems like it's a statement to what we're saying.
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So We are new create Creations in Christ or some translations will say new creature not now
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How does that go with what we're saying concerning the means of grace God taking us from a to B?
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Right now remember when I first mentioned this I said that Once we are justified and so we are justified by faith alone in Christ alone
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Romans chapter 5 verse 1 therefore Having been justified by faith
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He's pulling this argument from Abraham in chapter 4 Abraham was justified made right before God by faith in the sea
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That was coming from him, which is Christ, right? Therefore haven't been justified by faith.
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We have peace with God Through our Lord Jesus Christ at that moment.
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You are positionally Righteous before God We are
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God sees us as new creations, however we do live in a
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Saint and sinner reality, right? So when whenever God sees me God sees the finished work of Jesus Christ When I see me, you remember that mirror
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I was talking about that that that that that first use of the law When I look into the law the mirror of the law,
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I see a sinner Right, and and the Bible says that in our sanctification
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God has taken us from a to B He is conforming us into the image of his Son and I would argue that that comp that that Being conformed that's not truly realized until the resurrection of the day.
01:17:54
Yeah, that's right And so there is a progression of our being of shedding all that old man
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God sees it immediately so you're justified like if you died right thing in the moment you're justified you
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God will sanctify you 100 % Putting off of the old man and putting on Christ Putting old man putting on Christ.
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Yeah. Yeah, and we yeah, and so and so there's a you know, we have to Understand that statements are made and those statements are true.
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However That cannot contradict what else is scripture saying so you have to harmonize these scriptures, right?
01:18:36
Of course the moment you are justified. You're a new creature in Christ however in Sanctification God is taking you from being a broken image bearer to being conformed to the image of his son and that Image of his son is not fully realized until the day of our resurrection
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When we will when we will be like he is meaning Not that we're gonna be
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God, but that we will have a new body That's prepared to be in the presence of God for all eternity
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Right. Okay, I touch on on Romans 12 and this is really talking about the process of Sanctification in Romans 12 when it says therefore
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I exhort you brothers by the mercies of God now He's saying therefore based on everything that he taught in Romans up until this point by the mercies of God to present your bodies a sacrifice living holy and pleasing to God which is your spiritual service of worship and do not be conformed to this world but Be transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you may approve what the will of God is
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So that which is good and pleasing to God and perfect for through the grace given to me
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That's it through the grace given to me I say to each one of you among You do not think more highly of yourself that you ought to think and he goes on to the things that we're gonna put off We're no longer living like the old man, but we're putting on Christ and it's all about Living by faith continually living by faith and putting on putting off and putting on mortification and bifurcation
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Oh Wretched man that I am who will deliver me from this body of death Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our
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Lord So then I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the loss and there is therefore
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Now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus See that verse kind of touched on both the both and right like it mentioned that there's a conforming coming on However, right now we are we're good
01:20:37
Look, I think I think it's Paul Washer that I listened to a message. This was a while ago I really loved
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I'd never known this but he was art He was articulating that in those days one of the forms of capital punishment if you had murdered someone and they knew you were the one
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That murdered them They would take the the deceit and body and they would strap it to your back
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And so that didn't multitude multiple things that made it So when you walk down the street with this dead body on your back with cords binding it to a you
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No one would serve you any food no one would serve you anything because they saw the body of death on you so you got treated differently because of it and Then not only that but over time that body would decay and guess what it would do it would decay
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And it would kill you and so as a form of capital punishment And so Paul is they're alluding to that was saying that my flesh is like something that's decaying on my back
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Lord take it away from me. So even Paul is struggling with this this war between the flesh 7 yep.
01:21:38
Yeah Fred here Fred So I'm just kind of noticing you're saying that you are a mid -axe
01:21:48
Dispensationalist my I don't does he say a mid -axe or a mild this be mild. Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
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So I was about that I believe that we are in the dispensation of grace
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So, so are you saying that there wasn't ever any grace in the Old Covenant in the Old Testament is
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Fred Yeah, we would Yeah, we would definitely disagree with with any what any form of Dispensationalist, I mean we want to do some in a brotherly manner since you're not a mid -axe.
01:22:25
I mean I was about to break out you know, I'm saying not a STS I'm talking about, you know
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Chopping block, but you know, I'll back off. I digress
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I would just say to Fred we I Personally, I don't know where these two brothers land quite yet on this
01:22:51
Romans 11 26 is a favorite verse of mine and I Disagree heavily with those that believe that that means an
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F. You can't believe in covenant theology and be a dispensationalist Get your mind, right
01:23:06
Now Fred you don't oh we'll talk on that topic. We should do a Romans 11 Show one day and just break down Romans 11 because there's a lot there that I think
01:23:14
Can we wait till I get through John 15 because John Yeah, I don't want to you know, cuz
01:23:23
I got people my just tell your members stop watching just say don't watch it That's not gonna work
01:23:30
Sam don't listen By the time this
01:23:39
It's my go that she is going to be Baptist covenant theology Melissa. You need to come to our conference.
01:23:45
Yes, she does Yeah We will buy you a cigar. I Take that back.
01:23:52
Tom will buy you a cigar So here's the thing
01:23:58
I believe I'm owed a couple of yes you are Listen, Jeff and I Cigar maybe now
01:24:09
I'm get you I can get you a $10 cigar right now by Smoking a $10 cigar, okay
01:24:25
I like the Jennifer law the she has law in her name law and we should change her name to covenant of grace
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We all believe in the existence of all the covenants and throughout the scriptures There it is what we believe that they pointed to that's the difference
01:24:54
Late to one another there's a lot of things One of those I'm listening from Robert what's his name gosh dang it
01:25:02
Robert Martin right now I think is his name on the he's giving lectures in our seminary in my seminary right now on the topic of covenants and it's remarkable the the amount of definitions that are out there for covenants in general and so that's actually been something
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I've been appreciating is the fact that there is hundreds of covenant Definitions that all disagree with one another this is where this is where having a creed and a confession is really helpful because then you can say this is what
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I believe on The covenants, right? Yeah, and what historically what was taught?
01:25:40
What what did what did your cooks Cox say? What did what did what did Ellen leave Olin being in Presbyterians?
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For for some reason I believed in in 1689 federalism. That's right
01:25:52
Yeah, he was he was a Reformed Baptist just not practicing Just gotta go read his commentary on Hebrews 8 and you'll see it
01:26:07
All right now do you want to do you want to talk about what you mentioned earlier speaking of Sensationalism oh
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Oh Just close enough right now we're working out some sensationism stuff but the cessationist part is just what the confession already says and that that is the
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Bible is sufficient and certain and infallible and that there's no more revealed scripture today and so we believe in a apostolic cessation of Gifts in those those things so there's a big rift right now and in the
01:26:45
Reformed circles, maybe not just reformed but in Christianity that we've been saying between cessationism the type of cessationist that the 1600s and the 1500 theologians had
01:26:57
Versus the cessationist that we see today Also want to say this so a lot of people know that a
01:27:04
Ryan Denton has come out with some arguments against g3 But these brothers right here can tell you that that I've never held to a staunch
01:27:14
View of sensationism, right? I was on hyper cessationism. Yeah.
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Yeah, I've never ever held to that view Ah, and so like my man
01:27:25
Brayden has had some fights over over this art over this issue and so I've never like when
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I made the Sensationist movie and they felt and they showed it they viewed it at the g3 conference and the guy that That made the movie was at my booth
01:27:40
I had a booth there for my Bibles and I told him straight up that uh, you know, like I'm a sensationist
01:27:45
I would call at that time. I was calling myself a biblical sensationist. However, what he was promoting. I Just could not get behind right, so Dispensation of grace.
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So let's let's define number one with a dispensation. It's how God Dispenses grace in other words another word might be for that for this dispensation is how
01:28:06
God Administers grace and so if you're looking at a strict term if you're if you're defining it as a time
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Yes that because Christ has come we are under a dispensation of grace
01:28:18
Because Christ has died on the cross because of the person and work of Christ. Yes We are under a dispensation of grace and but the old covenants pointed to this quote -unquote dispensation of grace
01:28:31
By the person and work of Christ alone on the cross we just call it a new covenant.
01:28:37
Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, so Yep, but to say that there's a dispensation meaning that there's something like God is interacting with his people in different dispensations
01:28:51
Yeah, I would argue that Christianity isn't true then because I would say that in order for Christianity to be true
01:28:57
It has to be rooted in Abraham the same way that Abraham is saved is the same way that we are saved the seed of Abraham Abraham believed that a seed was going to come from his
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From him and that the seed would keep the covenant and by doing so he would inherit the land and bless the nations
01:29:17
That's Jesus Christ. We're looking back at that same seed that came kept the covenant inherited the land and blesses the nations whereas Believers believe pointing they believe on credit we believe on what debit debit
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It's all and if anyone everyone has ever been sated it is through Jesus Christ He is the only way to God.
01:29:40
There is no other way to God outside of Jesus Christ That's where the old covenant and the new covenant
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God has not worked. So he God has not worked in different ways in different times
01:29:53
Absolutely not building his Revealed himself in different means. Yes to demonstrate the one means of salvation
01:30:02
Which is exactly what Galatians is doing. Let me let me read a verse real fast It says this in verse 7 and 9 of chapter 3 of Galatians It says this know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham and earlier in the show
01:30:15
I pointed out this is refuting Judaizers who were ethnically Jew. So by inference guess what
01:30:20
Paul saying? They are not sons of Abraham because they don't have faith in the finished work of Christ says so let me read that again know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham and the
01:30:32
Scripture foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith preached the gospel preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham Saying in you all the nations shall be blessed
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So then those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham the man of faith So you and I today are equally blessed along with Abraham because he was a man of faith and we are made children of Abraham Through faith in the same
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Christ that he was saved through the exact same gospel that was preached beforehand to him It's always been one means always been one a true
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Jew a true Jew is one who is one innerly by faith in Christ alone.
01:31:13
That is the substance that's a Jew a Jewish person today is not a people of God if they are not in Christ if they not that First John says they're
01:31:24
Antichrist. If you do not have the son you do not have the father. That's right So in order for any
01:31:31
Jew today any ethnic Jew if you could find one To come to be a people a person of God to be a child of God He has to place his trust in the personal work of Christ alone.
01:31:42
Otherwise, he's outside of the camp He's not a part of the covenant of grace And there is no rapture.
01:31:50
I mean like what no seven knows no pre -tribulation or seven -year secret rapture like that that that's
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When Jesus comes he's gonna put all of his enemies under his feet and the last enemy is death, that's right
01:32:09
And when this comes back he's going to judge the earth raise the dead and make all things neat there's no gap there's no
01:32:18
And if y 'all want to eventually do something on that gap theory I know we did something early early early on When it came to this, but we can definitely do something again.
01:32:31
Yeah Right, so it again the the covenants were pointing to the covenant of grace it was pointing to those who are in Christ everybody
01:32:42
Everybody that's a person of God is is is is by the covenant of grace
01:32:49
By the personal work of Christ based on grace alone. It's grace alone
01:32:54
And yeah, and I would say all righteousness is talking about law keeping he came to fulfill all law keeping
01:33:02
That's talking about his act of obedience. He lived a life. We could not live
01:33:09
That's the last Adam and procured Eternal life for all those that believe in him
01:33:17
It's 130 133 is how long I'm going one hour Hey, hey, would you want me to pull this thing?
01:33:24
I see something on screen. You don't mean It's all I know. Hey guys real quick real quick before we go because I gotta go
01:33:31
Yeah conference, but then anybody pull up post your stuff that you want us to do the show on I mean, do you want us to talk about eschatology if you want to talk a little bit more about the grace?
01:33:41
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01:33:48
I think Braden is excited to hear so post your comments on what the show what you guys want to hear us talk about and We will gladly interact with you guys as we do always you guys are we love having you guys on it's it's a special thing that we have
01:34:04
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01:34:12
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01:34:58
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01:35:05
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There's one speaking there's one speaking in and and he'll be
01:35:26
Andrew Rappaport is speaking so But you'll be reformed Baptist by that time so you can help us reform him
01:35:36
But you guys seriously, I mean you're not gonna find a better fellowship You're not gonna have more fun at a conference on any other conference and I go to I guarantee it
01:35:44
Listen, listen, listen it if Now listen, if you're not gonna lie, but if you come to this conference and you say it sucked
01:35:53
I'll give you your money back Fantastic it is a wonderful time.
01:36:06
It's a blast especially Especially if you come to the hangouts
01:36:11
Yeah, and you're gonna we're also going to teach both these guys how to say especially not
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I'm from the streets. I can't even say my my co -elders name. I can't say no you can't
01:36:25
No, I can't go ahead and say it. I'm not gonna do it. Yeah Yes, we're gonna be faster cow
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That's a cow I'll be practicing There's a lot of words I can't say I Grew up in Michelle I hope you're coming
01:36:47
Patti Melissa Also the final qualification for a reformed
01:36:54
Baptist is that you have to attend a You're not
01:37:00
Take it off Facebook Dismissational is if you don't
01:37:10
Our Scott Clark can't even be reformed if he doesn't come to this conference, right? Yeah, we're
01:37:19
Calvinist yeah, we are absolutely confessional Calvinism Confessional Calvinist.
01:37:26
Yeah, there's no other there's no no such thing. You're not really a Calvinist unless you're confessional
01:37:31
Calvinist That's a fact. What are you Fred? Are you you are you Calvinist? Come on now
01:37:42
Yes, we are Calvinist. Is there more? Oh, hold on. Yep Never heard of it
01:37:49
You need to tell me a conference We can talk about that too, we'll be glad to I gotta get off yeah, huh?
01:38:00
Yeah, I gotta get off this podcast. I'm sorry. I love you guys, but I gotta get off All right last words
01:38:06
Brayden Chief on a man glorify God and enjoy him forever
01:38:11
It's been a blessing to chat with these things Take reform Baptist off your Facebook if you're a dispensationalist
01:38:17
And if you don't hold the covenant theology where you're not confessional or you're not a Calvinist stop it Yeah, if you don't make these qualifications if you don't have a beard and smoke cigars, and that's me
01:38:27
I Been I've been really contemplating the whole no true Scotsman fallacy and there has to be a definition of a
01:38:35
Scotsman before you start saying what a true Scotsman is it would be a true Scotsman fallacy if we said you You have to be a reformed
01:38:42
Baptist to attend or you you you have you in order to be a reformed Baptist You have to attend a conference next year that would be a no true
01:38:49
Scotsman fallacy because we have a definition of what a true Scotsman is what it is which we're saying the
01:38:55
Definition of a reformed Baptist is what is historically shown as Catholic credo confessional covenantal
01:39:02
Cessationist and everything else that we talked about credo so on and so forth and in braid and my last word the
01:39:07
Braden is gonna try And grow to grow. I'll have a beard by then. Don't worry red. It'll be small, but it'll be there
01:39:15
You know we as Christians were commanded to go out and be his witnesses We're commanded to go out and share the gospel you guys have the gospel on your lips
01:39:23
You know look for someone to share the gospel with this is how the kingdom grows, and we're commanded to do it
01:39:29
Point them to your church point them to Christ You know tell them to repent of their sins and and follow
01:39:37
Christ. Yeah, where are the gospel on your lips say the words? If you do like our opening song
01:39:46
We're dropping it as a single we wasn't going to but we're gonna drop it as a single there's more to it
01:39:52
So what you hear in the very opening? There's more to that song right so She's been doing it every single podcast it drops the 22nd, and if you're ever in,
01:40:04
Tallahoma Come hang out with your boy other than that. I think you got in with the song real quick.
01:40:10
Just you know So we'll end with that Hallelujah hallelujah holler back
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I'll see if it works this time Keep among misfits a
01:40:57
Misfit in the trailer park at night a misprint with the six Been sick ever since my brother died of a no -deal
01:41:06
Never made sense either to me or anyone else's side of the sheep On my right side
01:41:17
The dotted line tell me what's the bottom line the bottom line is I'm not
01:41:22
I'm not left, but the cellophane won't fight What's in the deep end and I can't find my assigned seat to sit in My theology don't fit in black sheep of the
01:41:52
Reformation sheep Just another Baptist baptized again the bastard child of Anabaptist Give me a
01:42:07
Bible in a bookshelf of dead men cigars bourbons and beer can still go
01:42:30
Oh Round me round me round me now that Tom is gone.