June 7, 2016 Show with E. Calvin Beisner on “Debunking Global Warming Hysteria”

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania And the rest of humanity who are living on the planet
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I'm so delighted to have back on the program dr. E Calvin Beisner Many of you may know the last two times we attempted to interview dr.
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Beisner We were unfortunately having technical problems but the Lord is in our favor today and everything seems to be running smoothly thus far and Dr.
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E Calvin Beisner many of you may remember him from years ago on the John Ankerberg program
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But he is also a prolific writer and he is a conference speaker an ordained
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Orthodox Presbyterian minister and Founder and national spokesman for the
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Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation today We're going to be discussing debunking global warming hysteria, and we're also going to be letting you know about a documentary
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That you can purchase where the grass is greener biblical stewardship Versus climate alarmism and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.
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Dr. E Calvin Beisner It's great to be back with you and I appreciate very much the the kind introduction
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I I do need to clarify one thing. I was ordained as a ruling elder Okay, and well
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That still is a position of high esteem in my regard. Anyway, so we thank you for being on the program
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I have many friends in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and I hope that my dear friend pastor
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Bill Shishko in Franklin Square, New York is listening to Yes, I've known
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Bill for about 30 years at least and he was one of the First pastors other than my own after I became a born -again believer in Christ.
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He was a visiting Conference speaker at my church where I was a member grace reform
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Baptist Church on Long Island which actually was originally named Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville Long Island and Bill has been not only a dear friend, but an enormous supporter and Encouragement regarding iron sharpens iron radio.
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Well, we've since we've already done this before but for our listeners who are tuning in and Hearing you for the first time tell our listeners about the organization
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You represent the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation. I Am delighted to do that because I think the
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Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation has Tremendous ministry on behalf of the poor around the world as well as ordinary folks and and also especially in terms of the gospel
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We are a network of a little over 60 scholars sprinkled around North America and a few other continents
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About a third of us are natural scientists such as climate scientists geologists oceanographers physicists mathematicians, etc and about a third are economists specializing many of them in either environmental economics or developmental economics so that we have men with us who really have expertise on how societies grow out of poverty what are the
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Conditions absolutely necessary for doing that and how to create those conditions in societies and then another third
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Our theologians ethicists and pastors who can bring the biblical worldview and biblical ethics and theology to bear on these issues and We seek through a variety of different educational channels our website
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Cornwall Alliance dot org as well as published articles in online publications and print as well and We provide expert witness testimony for congressional committees and Speakers for churches conferences schools colleges and the like we seek to promote three things
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Simultaneously and really interwoven with each other First biblical earth stewardship or what we also call godly dominion
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This is this is men and women created in God's image laboring together laboring lovingly together to enhance
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The fruitfulness the beauty and the safety of the earth to the glory of God and the benefit of our neighbors
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So we're really really addressing there the two great commandment to love God and to love neighbor
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The second major area of our emphasis is economic development for the very poor around the world think in terms of places like Sub -saharan
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Africa and parts of Asia and Latin America and this we see as We find historically that economic development out of poverty rising out of poverty for an entire society not for a few isolated individuals here and there requires two
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Primary conditions one is a set of social institutions such as private property rights
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Entrepreneurship free trade limited government and the rule of law The other is access to abundant affordable reliable energy
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And this is both both of these are completely indispensable to any society rising out of poverty.
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You must have both Without one or the other you cannot see a society really rise out of poverty and then the third and most important Goal that we have is to promote and defend the gospel of Jesus Christ that That man is sinful man is justified and reconciled to the
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Holy God by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone who died for our sins according to the
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Scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures that being the
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Apostle Paul's summary of the gospel in 1st Corinthians 15 and All of this we do in a world that is permeated by an environmental movement whose worldview theology and ethics overwhelmingly anti -christian whose science and economics are typically pretty poorly done and Whose policies therefore often are not particularly helpful to the natural environment?
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But are very harmful to the poor around the world by depriving them of the very conditions
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Absolutely essential to their rising out of poverty those social institutions of private property
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Entrepreneurship free trade limited government the rule of law and that material condition
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Access to abundant affordable and reliable energy, especially in the form of electricity
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And this means that the environmental movement by and large whether intentionally or unintentionally harms the poor even while it fails to do much good for the natural environment and That community has its own doctrines of God creation humanity sin and salvation
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And these are definitely not the Christian doctrines of God creation humanity sin and salvation
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It tends to be either atheistic or pantheistic or animistic It tends to think that that man exists to serve the earth rather than To to subdue and rule the earth as God told us to do in Genesis 128
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And it tends to think that that sin is well certainly not cataloged in the
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Ten Commandments but more like having a big footprint a big carbon footprint on the earth and it sees our salvation as coming from from repenting of our environmental abuse and Becoming good stewards of the earth now we as Christians believe that we should be good stewards of the earth
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That's why our group is called Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation
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But that is not the gospel. That is not the way of salvation. Amen. So we address all of these issues together
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Yes, it appears that your organization is very holistic And I mean that in the best sense because you are very concerned with not only the souls of men
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But the very physical well -being of men and just as the the book of James Mandates that Christians be concerned about those things to be obedient to Christ and Let me also make sure
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I introduce you to my co -host. Once again, the Reverend Buzz Taylor Say hello to our it's good to be back on the air with you
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Great I was good to be back on the air with you too. I enjoyed the last time Let me announce our email address for those of you listening who would like to ask questions of our guest.
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Dr E Calvin Beisner, our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com chris ar n ze n at gmail .com
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and There is also I want to make sure our listeners know about a really fascinating Documentary that I viewed in fact,
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I know that the Reverend Buzz Taylor my co -host viewed it as well where the grass is greener
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Fascinating documentary that is just chock -full of valuable information that debunks a lot of myths that the leftists and And Environmental extremists are
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Basically duping society with Where the grass is greener the movie .com
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is the website I see but tell us something about this very valuable documentary
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But we're very excited about the usefulness of this because as you say it does refute a lot of the various different Myths about climate change and of course the reason that's so important is that climate change or dangerous man -made global warming has become really the primary rationale for Depriving people of those things that lift and keep them out of poverty things like private property rights
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Entrepreneurship limited government free trade the rule of law and so on and access to abundant affordable reliable energy
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The the fears of dangerous man -made global warming are now the primary reasons given why we need to forfeit those things
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In order to prevent this dangerous man -made warming and some of the myths about that that we address in this documentary
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Where the grass is greener? Are things like the idea that there is an overwhelming scientific consensus that man -made warming is indeed
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So dangerous that it warrants are spending trillions of dollars literally about two trillion dollars a year above the regular cost of providing energy around the world to Change our global energy systems from being primarily fossil fuel driven
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About 87 % of all energy used in the world right now comes from fossil fuels primarily wind and solar trip, which would be far more expensive and Not nearly so reliable because wind and solar are intermittent
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The the real fact is that among climate scientists climatologists meteorologists atmospheric physicists atmospheric chemists and so on among climate scientists
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There is not any Consensus whatsoever for the idea that man -made warming is dangerous
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Certainly to that extent Instead the real consensus is that you know, global average temperature is probably risen by a
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Little under a degree Celsius since about 1850 Human activity in the way of putting greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide into the atmosphere has probably contributed
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Significantly to that warming and that's it. That's all there is to it. There's nothing about the idea in Consensus there's nothing about the idea that human activity has been the primary driver of it
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There's nothing in support of the idea that it is dangerous net dangerous
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Certainly not anything any consensus over the idea that it is so dangerous as to warrants spending trillions of dollars
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To mitigate it. Mm -hmm. So that's one of the many different myths that we treat. Yeah, right. There seems to be three major Categories during the documentary that I hope to cover everything under these subheadings
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The first would be science is not settled the second would be catastrophic warming from unvalidated models and the third being not a single example of Carbon dioxide being a pollutant and we'll get to each of those main
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Categories in a moment, but I do want to go to a listener in Wyoming Who has questions,
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I usually don't take more than one question from a listener at the same time, but this this gentleman
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Trevor in Laramie Wyoming has Provided this three excellent questions that I thought
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I'd get to right away because they kind of set The stage for a lot of what we're gonna be discussing. Let me go to his first Question Trevor in Laramie Wyoming s if global warming is true and such a danger to the planet
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Why are countries such as China and India given exemption exemption from polluting?
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Well the the primary reason for that in terms of I assume that he's referring to the negotiations that led to the global Treaty in Paris in December the primary reason for that is
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Precisely that the people behind this recognize that Fossil fuels coal oil and natural gas
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Continue to be far and away the most affordable abundant and reliable source of the energy that is absolutely necessary for any
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Society to climb out of poverty and India and China Are not only very poor societies compared with the
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United States and Western Europe and the rest of the OECD but also very very large societies each of them over a billion people and Their leaders are not about to commit those countries to an energy policy
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That would lock their people into their extreme poverty And so they made it clear that there was no way that they were going to sign on to any kind of a climate treaty
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That would have that effect Now what they have done is instead they've they've announced their intention to to essentially
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Begin to think about capping their carbon dioxide emissions sometime after around 2030 or 2032
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But there's no solid commitment there and frankly their energy ministries their their energy
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Departments in their governments already have made it clear that that's not going to happen
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It's not going to happen precisely because their their leaders are committed to raising their people up out of poverty
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So that's why they got a pass at this stage. But the fact is that the organizers of this treaty driven primarily by the
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United Nations are Determined to try to Rope them in over the long haul and we'll have to see
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How well the leaders of those countries are able to stand against the pressure to come and Trevor's second question is how much danger?
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Are scientists and other professional careers in if they speak in dissent?
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against global warming Well, that's a very good question
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If there have been actually death threats against Wow question the reality of dangerous man -made global warming
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Those are fairly rare and so far. Nobody has actually been killed over this however here in the
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United States Attorney General Loretta Lynch has told
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Congress that she has asked the FBI to look into the possibility of evidence that fossil fuel companies have
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Intentionally suppressed evidence of dangerous man -made global warming in an effort to shield themselves
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From the kinds of policies that would undermine the value of their product in the marketplace
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Now the idea behind this is to do something similar to what was done with tobacco companies back in the 1980s and 90s
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When the federal government used the Rico racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act to to prosecute those companies winding up with a
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Settlement not a court verdict, but a settlement In which the companies agreed to pay the federal government many billions of dollars
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And to stop whatever they had been doing to resist the message that smoking was
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Hazardous to your health now Frankly, I think that the tobacco companies were quite wrong to do that.
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And obviously the the Situation there was one of a fairly obvious connection scientifically.
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We knew full well the tobacco smoking caused much increased risk of lung cancer and heart disease
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The problem with the comparison is that that connection was scientifically really pretty simple
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There was no real debate over that among any medical doctors
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Scientists physiologists and so on The case with global warming is much much much more complex
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It involves thousands of climate feedbacks the climate system is probably the most complex physical system
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We've ever studied except for the human brain There are thousands of feedbacks in it Most of which we do not understand very well at all some of which we don't even know whether they increase or decrease original warming the result is huge disagreements over Many many different issues of the climate change debate among perfectly well -qualified scientists, so in order for government to say
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That there's a fraudulent activity going on here. And that's what they're what they're wanting to do
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In order for them to say that there's a fraudulent activity. They have to prove that these companies have knowingly conveyed false information information contrary to Substantial factual information with the intent of getting people to take actions that would harm them and Help those who gave the false information and that the people took those actions and in fact suffered the harm from them
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Now that is simply not going to happen And in fact, I've even read one email from a major proponent of this kind of prosecution who acknowledges that that's not going to happen, but the threat of the prosecution by the attorneys general
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United for Clean Power Which started back in March? the threat by Loretta Lynch the federal attorney general
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That threat is itself a major intimidation factor and it will silence many critics
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And the ironic thing of course is that you know United States Code 18 section
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I'm sorry 180 section 241 Actually says that it is a federal crime a felony in fact for two or more persons to conspire together to injure intimidate or otherwise harm anyone in the
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Exercise of his rights guaranteed by the Constitution or laws in the United States Well, the
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First Amendment guarantees our right to free speech and freedom of the press and these attorneys general by threatening
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Prosecution whether civil or criminal Against those who question the reality or the extent or the proper the best responses to man -made global warming
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That is indeed to intimidate the exercise of constitutionally guaranteed rights and we have one last
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Trevor question Trevor from Larry me Larry me Wyoming and I better not accept any more questions from him.
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Otherwise, I'll have to start paying him but Trevor s What drives global warming money?
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Power or something else? Are we seeing a trending down in solar activity on the
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Sun? Well, there are actually two questions Yeah The first one is, you know, what really drives the whole global warming alarmist?
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Message and the movement is it money is it power? What is it? Well, I think it's a number of different things for some people.
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I think it's a genuine Sincere belief that human emissions of carbon dioxide initially methane
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Are going to cause dangerous global warming and these people sincerely believe that we need to Reduce our emissions of those gases in order to prevent that harm
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And I have no, you know, no qualms as to their motivation
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I do have the qualms as to the accuracy of the understanding of Scientific data
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Related to the relationship between co2 and global average temperature and we can talk about that later in the program if you like some people
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Are in this especially those in businesses that are related to renewable energy sources like wind and solar
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Some are into it because they have a major business interest if they can get governments to Adopt policies requiring reduced use of fossil fuels
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Well, we're going to have to get our energy from other sources and much of that will come from the wind and solar industry that of course means
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Big profits for these players and they have in fact been major funders of climate alarmist scientists
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Some also are in this for the sake of promoting power not energy power not you know electricity, but political power and frankly
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The idea that we're going to fight global warming by reducing our for our use of fossil fuels Is going to require governments to take control of more and more of our energy industries
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Because the market certainly will not make that choice The market will always try to find the least expensive way to provide the goods and services that Consumers want well wind and solar are far more expensive than fossil fuels for providing the energy that we need and So the only way that we're going to make that switch is for governments to take control of more of our energy systems
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That control is an extremely powerful Control over our own lives because as you think about it
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Everything we do takes energy whether it's the energy that we take into our mouths
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Food to fuel our bodies or the energy that runs the electricity That provides for the telephone that I'm using right now to speak to you
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And the broadcast for your radio program at the internet and all of these other things or the energy for your refrigerator that keeps your food
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Spoiling or your air conditioner your heater that keeps your house comfortable or the assembly line that turns out cars and trucks
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And I know iPads and things like everything takes energy And so if you're going to control energy, essentially, you're going to control every aspect of people's lives
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So that's the political power Motivation behind it and a part of that is particularly people who believe that they can ride this horse
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To global government and the establishment of socialism as our global economic system
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And you have for instance Christina Figueres who is the recently retired?
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Chairman of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change who said about a year ago that the climate negotiations in the
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Conferences of the parties of which Paris last December was the 21st annual one
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These climate negotiations were the best opportunity we have to replace the
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Global economic order that we've had for the last century and a half, which is basically
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Capitalism and free trade with a new global economic order and that would be socialism
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Our Eden Hofer an economist a German economist a co -chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Said in the lead -up to the
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Cancun climate conference in 2010 that we must not mistake these conferences for Environmental conferences.
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They are in fact the biggest economic conferences in the world and we by adopting climate change
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Agreements we de facto Redistribute the world's wealth. So this is the you know, the underlying motivation for a lot of the folks
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Involved in the political activity now when we come back from our break, we'll have you address the last question that Trevor Asked that I already read to you
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Are we seeing a trending down in solar activity and the Sun will be right back after these messages with more of?
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Dr. E Calvin Beisner, so we hope you join us with questions of your own and we'll be right back after these messages
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This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in to iron sharpens iron, we are interviewing today
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Dr E Calvin Beisner founder and national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation
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And our theme today is debunking global warming hysteria we're also talking about a documentary that is available called the grass is greener and we're going to hear more about that documentary as The interview progresses if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for dr
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Beisner our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com
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And to go to Trevor's last question our listener in Laramie, Wyoming Are we seeing a trending down in solar activity on the
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Sun? Whether the trending down is continuing, I'm not sure but we do know that solar cycle 24 was was one of the coolest that we've seen in quite a while and It appears likely and there are various different solar physicists who've been studying this especially a number of them in the in Russia have been
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Predicting that cycle 25 Follow it are going to be quieter solar cycles than usual.
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We could actually see something that would be That would be comparable to the
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Maunder minimum back a couple of centuries ago Which brought on severe cold temperatures throughout throughout the earth, especially in the northern hemisphere
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We we saw the medieval warm period for roughly 900 to 1200
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AD a period of significantly greater warmth was accompanied by and caused by a warmer period of solar activity more sunspots more solar irradiance emitted
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And more solar magnetic wind emitted from the Sun That was followed by what is termed the
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Little Ice Age running from about 1300 to about 1850 Which had several different periods of especially cold weather during various different Sunspot minimum the
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Maunder minimum the Dalton minimum and things of that sort during this period For instance the
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Thames froze over in the winter there were actual ice parties on the
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Thames around Christmastime during this period the particularly in the late 1600s 1693 and following Scotland experienced some of the coldest temperatures that ever did
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This was the period of the bubonic plague and the Black Plague in Europe which probably wiped out almost a third of the people
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Cold is a far greater risk for human beings. That is war various studies indicate that During cold snaps about ten times as many people die per day as die during heat waves
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So cold is a very major problem and the likelihood that we're seeing some cooling in the
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Sun makes it particularly ironic that we're being asked to to reduce the activity that might actually help to offset a little bit of that by Adding a little bit of warming the co2 in the atmosphere before Reverend buzz has some questions that he's itching to ask you
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I Wanted to just have you comment on something that it's I know that I've said this before on this broadcast, but there seems to be a real obvious charade going on with leftism the leftist totalitarianists who
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Constantly beat the drum that they are the ones who are most concerned over the poor and the less fortunate on the planet and All of these insane environmental schemes that they are trying to mandate legally
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Are really robbing those very people the the least among us if you will those who are
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Living in the depths of poverty and starvation levels. They are robbing them of their livelihoods all over the world, aren't they?
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Yes, that is that is so And in fact, there's one of the easiest ways of seeing that the left's constant
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Talking about the poor and caring about the poor is not matched by its actual actions
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Is by reading a book called who really cares the surprising truth about compassionate?
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Conservatism by Arthur Brooks who is a major scholar with the American Enterprise Institute Brooks looks into the data and he shows that people who identify toward the liberal end of the political spectrum
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Voluntarily give far less of their income to help the poor than people on the more
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Conservative end of the political spectrum and that's the same thing that we see when we go to the global warming issue for instance
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We the United Nations intergovernmental panel on climate change, which is a global warmest organization
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It is dominated by political appointees from governments around the world Yes There are some real climate scientists who work with it
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But the summary for policymakers that comes out with each of its major assessment reports
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Which come along about every five years? The summary for policymakers is really written primarily by the politicians and After it's been written then the underlying scientific reports have to be edited to agree with it
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Which really puts the cart before the horse. You should have the scientific reports Finalized and then the summary power for policymakers should fit those
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So unfortunately that doesn't happen. But at any rate the UN IPCC Actually Finds in what is called working group three which deals with adaptation and mitigation working group three projects that the societies that are poorest today
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Will be far better off under warmer scenarios a century and two centuries from now
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Cooler scenarios That is they find that we keep people poorer
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Longer by fighting global warming than by not fighting global warming and the more we fight global warming the longer and the poorer
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We keep them now. There's the reason for that is pretty simple the warmth
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Predicted by the IPCC is driven by the amount of energy used and that is determined Primarily by how much fossil fuel we use and so If we reduce our use of fossil fuels to fight global warming
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We are going to prolong and deepen the poverty of the poorer parts of the world Now they say that they want to prevent global warming for the sake of the poor
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But poverty is a far greater risk than anything climate related if you if you have
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If you are as prosperous as say the lower middle class of the
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United States You can thrive in any climate from the Arctic Circle to the
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Sahara Desert to the Brazilian rainforest if you're poor if you're like the people of the vast majority of the people of sub -saharan
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Africa or of India of China of Southeast Asia of major parts of Latin America if you're poor like that You can't thrive in the very best climate the very best habitat in the world
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And and these people know this and yet they still say oh, but we need to prevent global warming
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Well that that shows that they really don't care about the poor
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Which is not terribly surprising granted that the environmental movement
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Which is the real driving force behind the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change the environmental movement is overwhelmingly dominated by wealthy elites in the
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Western world Who frankly have never known poverty and have never known the fear of whether they would be able to put food on the table at?
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the next meal Yeah, they basically are valuing God's creation in The realm of plant life, especially and the animal kingdom
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They are placing that at a much higher level of importance than human beings but there's a tremendous irony about that Chris and that is that that Increasing co2 in the atmosphere doesn't only raise temperatures a little bit
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But also improves life a whole lot For every doubling of co2 concentration of the atmosphere you get an average 35 % increase in plant growth efficiency
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Plants grow better in warmer and cooler temperatures. They grow better in wetter and drier soils
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They can survive droughts and floods better They resist diseases and pests better.
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They increase their fruit to fiber ratio They expand their ranges that is they will grow at higher altitudes and lower altitudes
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They'll grow in higher latitudes and lower latitudes so plants anyway love
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Co2 and in fact at the 280 parts per million of the of the atmosphere that were to co2
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Before the Industrial Revolution Plants were very near the bottom end of their survival chemistry in the atmosphere
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Right now we've raised it to about 400 parts per million, but that's still so to speak suck an air
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Plants they need far more co2 and as we increase co2 in the atmosphere we increase plant growth
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We're greening the earth We're making more food available for everything that eats plants and everything that eats things that eat plants
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That benefits the poor more than anybody else because it makes crop yields around the world
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Higher which makes food less expensive and that's a critically important thing and it's another thing that shows the the hypocrisy of These global warming alarmists who say that they are in it for the sake of the poor if they really were thinking about the poor
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They would want to increase co2 to increase plant growth to increase food supplies to decrease food prices
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To make the poor better off. Yeah, basically then everybody is really losing out under their regime including the plants and Right and Reverend buzz.
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Yes. Well, of course, we're we're talking about the video where the grass is greener and as Chris mentioned to you at the beginning of the program we both watched the video and I was just blown away by it really and I came up with I believe you had nine major points that I've every single one of them is important and I'm hoping that somehow within the time we have left that we can at least address briefly each of those nine points, but Before we even start.
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Well, you already did point one. The science is not settled But before we even discuss point two
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Could you tell a little bit about who's involved in the video? Well, we've interviewed over 30 world -class scholars in climate science and economics and theology philosophy ethics and the like For instance, some of them are actual senior fellows of the
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Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation Dr. Roy W Spencer is a principal research scientist at the
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University of Alabama in Huntsville He is the u .s. Science team leader on NASA's aqua satellite remote sensing program this uses satellites to Sense all kinds of different things about the atmosphere at all altitudes all latitudes and longitudes around the earth 24 -7 365 it is the source of what we call our satellite global temperature data
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These are the most important the most reliable the most objective the most complete data on global Atmospheric temperature in the world and dr.
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Spencer along with his partner. Dr. John Christie Who is a good friend of ours, though?
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He's not a senior fellow of the Cornwall Alliance those to run that program.
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So we've interviewed. Dr. Spencer in this in this Documentary where the grass is greener biblical stewardship versus climate alarmism
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Dr. David Legates, who's a professor of climatology and geography at the University of Delaware former
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Delaware State climatologist author of many Refereed journal articles on climate change is another of our senior fellows.
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We've interviewed him we've interviewed people with Expertise in Scientific subjects that are crucial to the doing of climate research such as such as physics one of those is the highly regarded emeritus professor of physics at Princeton Dr.
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Will Happer and he brings with him many years of experience in studying atmospheric physics
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What are the underlying causes of changes in global climate, so those are a few of the scientists
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Interviewed economists such as dr. David Kreutzer of the Heritage Foundation Who along with co -authors has done some of the most important studies ever done on?
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The economic impact of climate policies such as the Clean Power Plan under the Obama administration
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That would require 32 % reduction in co2 emissions from American power plants by 2030 at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and at hundreds of thousands of jobs
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And the result of it would be less than zero point zero seven degrees
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Celsius Reduction in global average temperature in the year 2100 all pain no gain
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We've interviewed theologians and philosophers as well such as dr.
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J Richards He's at Catholic University of America Dr. Richards is a specialist in the philosophy of science and we talked with him about The the common claim that the
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Christian faith and science are somehow Contrary to each other and that the fact that many of the
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Critics of global warming alarmism are Christians means that their scientific testimony can't be trusted
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He did a tremendous job of answering that sort of thing. So those are a few examples
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Well, I'll hand you one more as well one aspect of this controversy that many people do not are not aware of is
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That the call to fight global warming by reducing our use of fossil fuels to reduce co2 emissions is actually driving surprisingly enough an increase in In prostitution and in human sex trafficking around the world
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What? Can that be? Well a very important part of how the global warming alarmists want us to reduce our energy use is by controlling human population growth reducing human population growth and ultimately reducing human population
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One of the most important steps toward that is government run family planning programs around the world
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Similar to China's one child policy, which by the way Christiana Figueres the former chairman of the
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UN Framework Convention on Climate Change lauded as a good policy
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China has boasted that by Preventing hundreds of millions of births through that one -child policy.
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It has already contributed heavily to fighting global warming well government family planning programs around the world almost invariably include
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Heavily incentivized sterilization and abortion When people choose to use abortion to Limit their family size.
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They tend to do what's called sex selection abortions If you live in a very poor society
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The birth of a male male child is the promise of economic support for you and your spouse
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When you reach old age like it like it is rampant in China, correct? Exactly China India almost all of the countries in Asia experience this
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Africa experiences this to some extent Latin America has experienced it, but especially
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Asia and Africa so when you are being Told by your government you cannot have more than one child or more than two children or you're told
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We're going to tax you at a higher rate if you had to have more children than this If you're being shamed for having more children then when you use abortion to Reduce the number of children you have you're going to Abort the female children, but not the male children.
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The result has been for instance in China that you have about a hundred and nine male births for every hundred female births and Over the long haul that has led to the situation in China right now.
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I'm sorry It was a hundred and nineteen male births for every hundred female birth The situation in China right now is that there are about a hundred and twenty adult males
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For every hundred adult females now that means that there are not potential marriage partners
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For many many millions of Chinese males and that is the case in All the
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Asian countries that is the case in many African countries Where they have done government -run family planning programs the result of that of course since those unmarried males
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Still have testosterone trunk coursing through their bodies is an increased demand for pornography and prostitution
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And you know what? Most women don't want to get into prostitution or pornography voluntarily, and so that results in kidnapping and Forcing them into sexual slavery and sex trafficking around the world and the ironic thing is that Pope Francis Who when he came into office?
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Told his bishops around the world that he wanted sex fighting sex trafficking to be one of their top priorities
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Was advised in preparing his encyclical in which he repeated the claim of dangerous man -made global warming
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By two of the most outspoken advocates of government -run family planning programs to control population
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UN Secretary General Ban Ki -moon and UN Millennium Development Goals leader
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Economist Jeffrey Sachs from Columbia University The sad thing is that what he's doing on the one hand trying to fight global warming is
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Causing the very thing he wants to fight on the other hand human sex trafficking. We interviewed one of the world's leading activists and scholars on this
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Elizabeth your she is an attorney and has been fighting sex trafficking and especially child sex trafficking around the world
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For over 20 years, so here you have another area of the leftist agenda that seems to be backfiring because feminists have
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Always been In agreement with Bible -believing Christians over their opposition to prostitution and sex trafficking.
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So here you have another Backfire of a leftist agenda in global warming very ironic
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Yeah, and Reverend buzz, oh by the way, I just want a quick Announce that website again.
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I'm gonna try to do this as often as I can during the program But where the grass is greener the movie .com
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is The website where you can find out more information about this documentary. We are discussing the
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Reverend buzz yet another question. Well, yes I have technically I have nine questions because it's the nine
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Video You answered number one very well and number two is natural processes dominate climate change.
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Could you talk on that a little bit? Yeah It's very very clear that Climate has changed throughout
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Earth's history We know for instance just going back a little bit We know that the medieval warm period was warmer than the present
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We know that the Roman warm period was probably comparable before that the Minoan warm period and back around 11 ,000 years or so ago
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What most geologists refer to as the Holocene climate optimism was much warmer much warmer
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Then not just the present but the medieval warm period as well. And by the way, those were all periods in which
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Life thrived around the world far more than it does today So those things obviously were not caused by our driving
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SUVs They were not caused by our generating electricity from coal and natural gas fired power plants
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We were not using electricity in those days. We were not driving SUVs So natural processes have driven climate change through all the history of the earth
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And it has resulted in climate in global average temperature fluctuating by in ranges measured to close to 10 degrees
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Celsius from colder to warmer Well, you know even the
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UN intergovernmental panel on climate change claims that the
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Doubling the co2 content of the atmosphere would raise global average temperature by No more than four and a half degrees
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Celsius and that is at the upper end of their estimates Frankly, they're more recent estimates indicate that that it's more likely to be somewhere down in the range of one and a half to two degrees
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Celsius that is a small part of The warming caused the warming and cooling caused by natural processes we also know that Out of the roughly eight tenths of a degree to one degree
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Celsius increase in global average temperature Since about 1850 Roughly half of that perhaps a little bit more of that happened before 1960 but it's only after 1960 that the
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UN climate intergovernmental panel on climate changes models Indicate that co2 increased enough to have much effect on global average temperature
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So that means that natural processes dominated the last hundred and fifty years worth of temperature increases well so What we what we know is that human contribution to climate change is probably real
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But it's it's probably also too small to measure Well, that's very similar to well that leads naturally to point number three
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Which is man -made co2 appears to be muted or very little. In fact, if you could dr
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Bosner answer that question when we return from a station break and we'll have buzz repeat We'll have buzz repeat the question also when we return and if you'd also like to join us on the air the questions of your own
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Taylor if you could repeat your question that we that you asked before the station break well, we were covering the points of the video and We were talking about number two natural processes
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Dominate climate change which naturally led to a number three, which is man -made co2 appears to be
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Muted or very little you pretty much already covered that when you were answering number two
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Yeah, I can add a little bit about that though a group of engineers many of them former former
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NASA Space program engineers who worked on the Apollo and space shuttle programs these engineers put to work their understanding of heat exchange physics and engineering and Did a new analysis of just how much would global average atmospheric temperature rise?
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In response to co2 added to the atmosphere and they came up with a much lower estimate than what the
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UN Intergovernmental panel on climate change has come up with Their estimate puts it in the neighborhood of half a degree
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Celsius perhaps as much as one degree Celsius for a doubling of co2 in The atmosphere, but then they also asked this question
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Just how much could we raise? Co2 concentration in the atmosphere if we were to burn all the fossil fuels in the earth and their answer was
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Not enough to raise global average temperature by more than 1 .2
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degrees Celsius No matter how long it takes and what that means is that if they're right
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And I think that they have very very solid physics and engineering principles behind this if they're right the contribution of co2 to Atmospheric temperature is extremely small
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And I think that's not surprising because frankly the computer models used by the
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UN IPCC to predict future temperatures based on various scenarios about how much co2 we add to the atmosphere those models have
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Predicted two to three times as much warming as actually observed so far over the relevant period
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Running from 1979 the beginning of the satellite data period to the present
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They have predicted 95 % of the time they've predicted more warming than actually observed and that means that their errors are not random but biased
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By bias if they were random they would have often predict less warming than observed as more and by equal amounts instead 95 % of the time they predict more warming so the bias must be there whether it's a dishonest bias or an accident
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Oh honest bias, we don't know but it's there and then third None of those models predicted the complete absence of statistically significant global warming from February 1997 to October 2015 a period of 18 years and nine months now
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What that what that means is that? Despite the steady increase throughout that entire period of co2
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Concentration in the atmosphere we had no warming that means in turn that co2
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Cannot be the primary driver of the recent global warming that we've seen it has to be largely natural
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So there you go co2 plays a bit part a real one, but a bit part
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Let me just before buzz goes on with another question. I wanted to squeeze in a listener question here we have
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Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says or asks
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Why haven't we heard a peep for a very long time? from the king of global warming hysteria
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Al Gore Well actually we have two months ago
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What a group calling itself a terror itself attorneys general united for clean power
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Launched itself publicly Al Gore was there with them on the stage
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Standing right alongside and he was champion championing their cause it continues to speak around the world 150 thousand dollars
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Honorarium each time he speaks and it costs massive amounts of money to take him around the world because he still gets
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Yeah He still gets the protection of secret service when he travels as former vice president
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He still continues to make huge amounts of money not only as a speaker, but also from his activity on the boards of various different Renewable energy corporations, so yeah, he's still active
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But but he's not quite getting the same kind of press that he used to get and perhaps that's because So many of his predictions about great disasters that would happen that would occur by 2010 or 2012
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Turned out false. I believe it was 2012, but he predicted back in 2006 or 7
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But by 2012 we would see the Arctic ice free in the summer
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That didn't happen. And as a matter of fact Arctic sea ice extent has pretty much recovered to what it was before 1979 and it looks like the fluctuations in Arctic sea ice extent have been largely natural not driven by I might also be because be because I'm sort of talking about his
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Relative absence from the media the DNC knows very well as bad blood between him and the
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Clintons So by the way, it should be said that he must have a jet that that doesn't burn fossil fuels, right?
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I was wondering if launching of the space shuttle might also burn some fossil fuel with anyway
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You you really answered Number nine in that when you said the 1 .2
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degrees Celsius if we were to burn all of our fossil fuel And you know when you think about that, it would raise the the average temperature of 1 .2
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degrees Celsius You know, I myself have lived in you know, the look coldest I remember being in was minus 45 and the most
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I remember being in was 107 So we're talking about 152 range that I have lived in and you know,
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I'm doing quite well with it With one or two degrees Celsius really make that much of a difference
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Considering the rains that other in fact, in fact, one of the world's most respected climatologists is
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He's at MIT and he's actually a friend of mine Richard Linsen Richard Linsen He responds to this stuff
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Dick does by saying look in any given locale around the world the daily range between Cold and you know between low and high temperature is anywhere from 10 to 20 times the amount that being told global average temperature could rise in response to double co2 and The annual range between summer high and winter low can run anywhere even even as much as a hundred degrees difference between the two or a hundred and twenty hundred and thirty hundred and forty degrees difference between the two so in short a
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Global average temperature increase of one point two one point five even three degrees
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Celsius Dicks responses Yeah, well, that's that's what point number four
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I believe is addressing that real evidence does not support catastrophic warning
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Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, the only way that you get the predictions of of net
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Harmful effects out of the global warming expected from rising co2 by the
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IPCC is from their models None of that comes from empirical observation and we know that the models are
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Invalidated as I said a little while ago on average they predict two to four two to three times the actual observed warming over the relevant period 95 % predict more warming than observed and none predicted the absence of warming for a period of 18 years and nine months
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That means the models are invalidated for prediction in predicting future temperature and that in turn means
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That any predictions about harms to come from that predicted temperature are themselves unjustified
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Right. Let me just squeeze another listener question in Tyler and mastic
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Beach Long Island, New York What is your response to President Obama saying that global warming is the greatest challenge facing the
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United States? And the world in fact, that would also be one of the biggest Drumbeats of Bernie Sanders the socialist running for president right now
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Yeah, and by the way, Hillary Clinton agrees with them This is this is the dominant position among Democrats It's simply absurd
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It is absolutely absurd What we know is that poverty kills
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Millions of people prematurely every year around the world We don't know that anybody has been killed by global warming ever
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We don't know that anybody is going to be killed by global warming ever and in fact working group three of the
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UN IPCC and it's treatment of mitigation and adaptation says that people at risk from various different factors that are climate related whether it's droughts or floods the lack of purified drinking water lack of sewage sanitation lack of adequate nutrition
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Anything else that has any link to climate? IPCC itself tells us
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That those people are at less risk from all of those things in the warmest scenarios for the future
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Than in the coolest scenarios for the future the reason for that is the wealth that is created as We use the energy that puts co2 into the atmosphere
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Enables people to deal with all the various different climate related Risks if you're wealthy enough, you can get clean purified drinking water anywhere in the world
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If you're wealthy enough, you can do sewage sanitation anywhere in the world if you're wealthy enough
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You can have irrigation systems that that Reduce the harmful effects of drought you can have flood control systems that reduce the harmful effects of floods
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You can have heating and air conditioning that protect you from extreme cold or extreme heat
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If you're wealthy enough, you can do those things and that wealth is driven by abundant affordable energy reliable energy derived overwhelmingly from fossil fuels
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So the IPCC itself Tells us that people are at greater risk when we try hard to fight global warming than when we don't
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So the notion that global warming is the greatest risk threatening mankind is simply absurd
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And buzz you have another question well, actually he's covered most of them very well except for seven and eight and I'll just list those and Because they sort of go together and then we've covered all the main points of the video except for of course
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Information on getting the video but number seven was climate models contain assumptions of Earth's Sensitivity to co2 that are far too high and linked with that is number eight
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There is not a single example of co2 being a pollutant Yeah, well, we've already discussed the failure of the climate models and the reason that the reason why they fail so miserably is that they assume
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That the net effect of all the various different feedbacks in the climate system how various different Parts of the climate system respond to added co2 in the atmosphere and to whatever temperature changes that might bring about The models assume that the the net effect of all of those feedbacks is positive
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That is that they increase the initial warming that you get from added co2 in the atmosphere
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Now we we have I think we've got good reason from pretty basic physics what is called the
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Stefan Boltzmann equation black body radiation we have pretty good reason from physics to think that if we if we double the
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Concentration of co2 in the atmosphere By itself that will raise global average temperature up by about one or perhaps up to one point two degrees
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Celsius The only way the IPCC comes up with its estimates in the range of Two two and a half three four even four and a half degrees
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Celsius is by assuming that the feedbacks are net Positive For instance, they assume that clouds respond to a little bit of warming at the surface
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By changing in ways that actually increase that warming Well, we now know from empirical studies done by Cornwall Alliance senior fellow
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Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama and whom I mentioned earlier as being in charge
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With his partner John Christie of NASA's Aqua satellite Temperature measuring program.
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We know that clouds in fact are a negative feedback that is as the surface warms a little bit clouds respond by cooling it as it cools a little bit clouds respond by warming it
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That's just one of a variety of different ways in which the models Assume that feedbacks are the opposite of what they are or that they're much stronger than what they are and the
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Empirical studies of what's called climate sensitivity the amount of warming that you get from doubled co2 in the atmosphere after all the various feedback mechanisms have been accounted for The empirical studies of that are now yielding much lower estimates of climate sensitivity in the range of zero point three to Perhaps two degrees
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And I happen to think that probably the best estimate is going to turn out to be around half a degree
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So there's just simply no danger in that the issue of Co2 not being a pollutant
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This is one of the slipperiest and most deceptive Rhetorical devices that the other side uses on this they will speak of carbon pollution
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When what's really in mind is carbon dioxide now Carbon really can be a pollutant in the form of very fine particles dust particles
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Right and in the air total suspended particulates Carbon that way can cause upper respiratory diseases and eye infections and the like and those are
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Significant health risks they can actually shorten people's lives in the form of and there are other emissions from using coal and natural gas in In power plants or gasoline or diesel in vehicles in the terms of sulfur oxides
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Carbon monoxide of course is a poisonous gas those things. We know how to Strip out of the emissions and control so that in developed countries
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The only thing that comes out of these so -called smokestacks is not smoke at all. It's water vapor and carbon dioxide carbon dioxide far from being like carbon which may be in the form of a dangerous pollutant carbon dioxide is a colorless odorless non -toxic gas
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Plants absolutely have to have it for photosynthesis and the more they have the better they grow
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You and I right now are breathing about 400 parts per million carbon dioxide when we inhale
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When we exhale we're exhaling about 40 ,000 parts per million carbon dioxide
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In other words A hundred times as much as we breathe in and it is not toxic
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It doesn't become a problem for human beings Until we are subjected to upwards of 8 ,000 parts per million for months at a time in America's submarine forces
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We have we have standards for CO2 concentration in the air in Submarines in the thousands of parts per million and men
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Do tours of duty that lasts as much as a year without coming out of that and it doesn't harm them so co2 is not a pollutant by any stretch of the imagination and Unfortunately, the other side gets away with Depicting it that way by talking of carbon pollution when what they really mean is carbon dioxide
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Which is not a pollutant and you know, all of us learned in third grade when we studied basic science that plants need
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CO2 to grow and That's what we're doing is we're adding CO2 to the atmosphere
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Which is a very good thing to do for the sake of plants and everything that beats them and that means Everything alive.
01:21:59
In fact, I think someone in your documentary described CO2 as a miracle elixir of life or something to that effect.
01:22:08
Yes the elixir of life. That was dr. Robert Carter a geophysicist from Australia a brother in Christ who
01:22:16
Who went to be with the Lord about three months ago? It's very saddened by his death.
01:22:23
That's a tremendous loss to the whole world of science he he published many very fine articles in referee journals and I'm sad to lose him.
01:22:34
We do have an anonymous listener in Greenville, South Carolina Who asks what does this discussion have to do with Christianity?
01:22:42
It seems to be more about politics than the Christian faith Okay a fair question.
01:22:48
Although I disagree with his his view of what we're talking about, but if you could
01:22:55
Absolutely fair question and I would answer it in a couple of different ways
01:23:00
First of all, the Bible does tell us that we as Christians should be
01:23:05
Concerned to protect the most vulnerable Vulnerable around us from various different harms including oppression including disease including poverty and the like and so we should be concerned about these things as Christians if we're going to be salt and light to the world if we're going to Remember the poor as Paul said in Galatians chapter 2 verse 10
01:23:32
The Jerusalem Council had asked him to do and he said that's the very thing that I was intent on doing
01:23:38
We should be remembering the poor the book of James tells us much about the importance of taking care of the poor
01:23:46
Doing so is a part of the the works that demonstrate the reality of the faith that we tell
01:23:53
That we claim to have in Jesus Christ the Bible says a great deal about helping the poor and protecting them from harm and My reason my entire reason for being involved in this battle for the last 10 years of my life going on 11 is
01:24:13
Precisely to protect the poor around the world from the harmful effects of climate policy
01:24:19
The second way that I would approach this is is that the biblical worldview tells us that The the earth and its climate system are the product of an infinitely wise
01:24:35
Designer an infinitely powerful creator and an infinitely faithful sustainer
01:24:41
She the scriptures tell tell us in Genesis 131 that after God had made everything
01:24:48
He saw that it was very good in Genesis 8 22
01:24:54
God made a covenant with himself That as long as the earth endured seed time and harvest cold and heat summer and winter day and night
01:25:07
Would not cease he was using a poetic device there in Hebrew called merism in which these opposites in the spectrum
01:25:18
Mean basically and everything else too. This was a promise by God to himself to sustain all of the
01:25:26
Cycles on which human and other animal life and plant life on earth depend as long as the earth endures
01:25:34
Now think about this for a minute I'm I'm sitting in my house right now talking with you on the telephone on this program and an architect designed this house
01:25:49
If he had designed it so that if I leaned against one wall all of the response mechanisms all of the feedbacks of the house
01:26:02
Magnified the stress of my weight until eventually it became so great that the house
01:26:10
Collapsed would we consider that that architect was brilliant or foolish?
01:26:17
We'd consider that he was foolish Well, the global warming alarmist message is that an increase in carbon dioxide concentration of the atmosphere from 28 ,000 of 1 % to 56 ,000 of 1 %
01:26:33
Is going to cause catastrophic? Collapse of the climate system so that it all goes into chaos and it could wipe out life on the earth
01:26:44
That's the same sort of notion as the architect who makes a building collapse because somebody leans against a wall
01:26:51
That's an insult to God. It doesn't Consist well with the biblical understanding of the wisdom of God the power of God the faithfulness of God So there's one part of it.
01:27:04
There are other parts as well in terms of the Christian roots of science the very doing of science depends on your belief that the world is a
01:27:16
Ordered system designed by a rational God to be understood by rational human beings created in his image
01:27:23
But a major part of the the climate alarmist global warming alarmist movement is what's called post -normal science
01:27:33
Post -normal scientists take the ideas of post -modernism of deconstruction into science
01:27:41
Deconstruction in literature tells us that language doesn't exist to convey truth but to project power to force other people into our
01:27:51
Meta -narrative of who should be in control over their lives
01:27:57
Well post -normal science says scientists the science doesn't exist to discover truth and to properly
01:28:05
Manipulate subdue rule the earth as God told us to do in Genesis 128
01:28:10
But rather to project power you go through the motions of science in order to justify a political agenda that you already have that's the basic idea of post -normal science and Perhaps not surprisingly a number of the most important figures in climate alarmist science are
01:28:33
Self -professed Post -normalist in science one is dr.
01:28:39
Mike Hume Who is former director of the climatic research unit at the
01:28:45
University of East Anglia and professor of climate change? There he's now gone to another university, but in his position there at the
01:28:53
University of East Anglia He trained many of the scientists who are at the very center of the
01:29:00
UN Intergovernmental panel on climate change and he has written Articles co -authored articles with dr.
01:29:07
Jerome rabbits a philosopher of science at Oxford on Post -normal science and advocating its use and for instance in his book why we disagree about global warming
01:29:19
Hume wrote that We He put it something like this
01:29:27
We need to ask not what we can do about climate change, but what climate change can do for us
01:29:33
He said that in a world that's dominated by capitalism Dangerous man -made global warming climate change is a handy thing to come about because it can help us to provide a rationale for the political agendas that we already have and Hume by the way
01:29:56
Was a socialist at that time. I understand that there is some indication that he's beginning to change his thinking about that But there you go.
01:30:05
There's you know Christianity provides the worldview basis for science and Post -normal science is undermining that and post -normal science is a very important part of the global warming alarmist message
01:30:18
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And once again, the website is Jersey Grace dot o -r -g Jersey Grace dot o -r -g and Jumping on that question before I go to any of our other listener questions jumping on that question
01:40:11
From our anonymous listener in South Carolina who was being a bit critical isn't another big reason why this has everything to do with Christianity is that a global warming is a enormous lie
01:40:25
That is dominating in many ways the media at this point and many many many
01:40:32
Christians are being sucked into this deception Yeah, that's true
01:40:38
And we are supposed to be people of truth Jesus tells us you will know the truth and the truth will set you free now of course the most important thing is knowing he
01:40:49
Jesus Christ himself who is the way the truth and the life But you know falsehood always leads to a diminishing a diminution of our freedom
01:41:02
Falsehood is is the primary thing that tyrants and dictators have used all through the centuries to subject people to themselves
01:41:11
We see that in every single instance whether it's communist or fascist or or anything else
01:41:19
Tyrants use falsehood Christians need to test all things hold fast.
01:41:25
What is good first Thessalonians 521 and As we test this global alarmist message, we find that it is not good
01:41:35
I would like to address our anonymous listener also on that and simply to remind him and anybody else who might have
01:41:44
I'm sure many people would be asking the same question and Understand that even at the beginning of every one of iron sharpens iron programs
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You do mention that we are discussing the burning issues of the day that affect us
01:41:59
Church and the world the church and the world but everything we look at is from a
01:42:05
Christian world and life view and so we do break out of theology, but in a sense we don't because When you are talking about massive starvation and death
01:42:17
That is a church issue. That's it almost be like saying. Why are you discussing abortion?
01:42:22
That is nothing to do with Christian, right? Definite and even even as as we heard at the beginning of the program
01:42:32
Your ministry Calvin Beisner's ministry is the Cornwall Alliance the Cornwall Alliance See you use the word godly dominion
01:42:41
I don't think a lot of Christians have an understanding of what that really means.
01:42:46
Why don't you re -explain that dr. Bosner? Yeah, well building on our understanding of Genesis 128
01:42:54
We define godly dominion as men and women creating God's image laboring lovingly together to enhance the fruitfulness the beauty and the safety of the earth to the glory of God and the benefit of our neighbors so that really we're addressing the two great commandments to love
01:43:09
God and to love neighbor and The whole global warming issue comes into this precisely because what we're being asked to do will make the earth less
01:43:21
Abundant less fruitful and less safe for human beings by depriving human beings of that abundant affordable reliable energy that is absolutely necessary for Lifting and keeping whole societies out of poverty, you know
01:43:37
It all really comes down to love for our neighbors the two great commandments
01:43:42
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength and you shall love your neighbor as yourself
01:43:48
We're not loving our neighbors if we stand idly by while a deceptive message traps them in extreme poverty for generation after generation
01:44:00
When instead they could rise out of poverty with access to the energy that they need to do so This this dominion that we're supposed to exercise is not abusive
01:44:12
We're not supposed to go out and abuse the earth Rather to where to be good stewards of the earth increasing its fruitfulness its beauty and its safety and it's really characterized by what
01:44:23
God himself did in The creation week as we read through the earlier part of Genesis chapter 1 we see that God Brought something out of nothing.
01:44:34
He brought order out of chaos He brought light out of darkness. He brought greater order out of lesser order.
01:44:41
He brought life out of non -life He brought a huge variety of life and he told all of the different forms of life that he had created
01:44:49
To be fruitful and multiply and fill the various missions Mitch's in the earth and then he finally tells mankind to be fruitful and multiply and fill the whole earth
01:45:00
So we should be reflecting God's creativity and productivity in how we steward the earth
01:45:07
We should be enhancing life. We should be enhancing fruitfulness. We should be enhancing variety and diversity of life we should be enhancing the safety of the earth and we should be
01:45:19
Enhancing its beauty as well because beauty itself reflects the image of God We're told that that God himself is beautiful This is why beauty is not a totally subjective relativistic notion
01:45:34
There is objectivity to beauty beauty should reflect God in terms of his his truth
01:45:41
His his holiness his orderliness and so on So all these things need to come into our understanding of Dominion and that's why frankly all of this really is very much related to our
01:45:55
Christian faith scriptures are God -breathed and profitable for reproof rebuke correction and righteousness
01:46:04
So that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work whether that good work is preaching the gospel from a pulpit at a church or writing a newspaper article or Practicing astrophysics so that we can understand better the impact of the
01:46:22
Sun on the Earth's Climate system and so that we can predict when solar flares are going to put electric systems at risk and Be able to protect against that Everything we do we should do better because we have studied
01:46:38
God's creation and God's Word and understood him Yes, and in fact one of the importance
01:46:45
What were one of the important reasons that this subject should be addressed in a
01:46:50
Christian? Talk program In my opinion is that the Christian community the conservative
01:46:58
Bible believing? Christian community has been long vilified and slandered and caricatured by the elitist left the pseudo pseudo intellectuals who mock and laugh and scoff as They listen to those opposed to the global warming hysteria
01:47:22
Coming very often from those in our camp the opposition that is to it and we are painted in the eyes of the public as morons as Neanderthals Chris Matthews very well -known and highly respected
01:47:44
Media journalist Host of the hardball program. He can't even restrain laughter when he discusses a conservative politician being
01:47:56
An unbeliever when it comes to abortion. I mean, I'm evolution he thinks this this is hilarious that any thinking person in the 21st century would be
01:48:10
Opposed to the theory of evolution the Darwinian theory of evolution and this goes hand in hand with that people who are
01:48:20
Basically sounding the alarm that global warming is a hoax to a large degree they are being viewed as morons and if people are to take seriously
01:48:34
Everything else we believe about the Bible and about life and about the gospel
01:48:39
They should know that it is not our best and brightest who are morons
01:48:45
It's those who are perpetrating this hoax. Would that be a fair thing to say? I think
01:48:52
In many respects. Yes, they're not all morons. As I said, some of them really are I think
01:48:57
Sincerely persuaded on this scientific evidence and better persuasion but the fact is that the
01:49:06
Apostle Paul tells us in 2nd Corinthians 10 that we are supposed to To be using spiritual weapons now spiritual weapons are not only prayer.
01:49:17
They're also Arguments arguments are important parts of spiritual weapons.
01:49:22
We should be using spiritual weapons to tear down The strongholds of darkness the demonic strongholds and we should be taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ and when we see people attacking
01:49:39
Christianity as anti -science because we have the temerity to Exercise proper sky in a scientific skepticism toward global warming alarmism
01:49:51
We have to have good solid answers for that very thing we have to show that that Christianity is the real root of science and Christians have the far better understanding of current science than have non -christians and that's clear enough from the simple simple fact that for non -christians, especially those who are metaphysical materialist
01:50:15
There is no Ground in that worldview for belief in reason itself, you know
01:50:21
If matter and energy are all that exist Then there's no such thing as reason when to give when two billiard balls meet on a table
01:50:29
They don't exactly stop and have a discussion about which one's going to go where next at what speed it's a simple exchange of energy well, if that's all that's happens in the human brain if there's just simply the
01:50:42
Electrochemical events in the brain then there is no such thing as reason and if there's no such thing as reason that there's no such
01:50:48
Thing as persuasion and argument. Well, that's the logical conclusion of the metaphysical materialist naturalist worldview underlying an awful lot of the so -called science
01:50:59
Behind global warming alarmism and it's really not science That is what's anti -science and we
01:51:05
Christians are able to respond to that. That's part of what we do in the movie greener on the other side
01:51:13
I'm sorry for the grass is greener biblical stewardship versus climate alarmism where the grass is greener biblical stewardship versus climate alarmism
01:51:22
Available online at where the grass is greener the movie .com
01:51:28
Where the grass is greener the movie .com and when I speak to young people who claim to be atheists
01:51:36
That is their Usually their first charge against Christianity I don't even seriously consider
01:51:43
Christianity as an option in my life because of the moronic
01:51:50
Understanding of modern science modern science is basically disproven in their minds many things that Christians hold near and dear and Obviously that is not true at all.
01:52:02
And unfortunately the masses are being duped into believing that so once again By the way, by the way, too
01:52:10
You know, we saw how Darwinism came to dominate science education in our public schools
01:52:16
Now under what's called the next generation science standards being adopted by public schools all over the country climate alarmism is going is being put up right alongside
01:52:29
Darwinism and Students are being told if you don't believe in this then you are anti science
01:52:36
You're essentially as you're putting it a moron the parents
01:52:41
Christian parents need to understand that they need to recognize that their children's minds are at stake in our
01:52:49
Public schools and they need to get them out of there into good solid private schools or into homeschooling to to prevent that problem
01:53:00
I would also like by the way to Recommend to your listeners that they go to our website
01:53:07
Cornwall Alliance dot o -r -g and Find there the spot where they're invited to sign a petition
01:53:15
Forget climate change energy empowers the poor Thousands of people have signed this petition already.
01:53:22
We're looking to see it signed by many thousands more Forget climate change energy empowers the poor
01:53:29
They can find that at Cornwall Alliance dot o -r -g, that's Cornwall Alliance dot o -r -g
01:53:35
It's an opportunity for them to tell their public officials where they stand on this issue
01:53:42
C -o -r -n -w -a -l -l Alliance dot o -r -g and we do have
01:53:49
Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania asking Have you been able to confront in public such as in a debate forum?
01:53:59
the leading spokespersons who are promoting global warming hysteria
01:54:04
Including politicians and if not yet, are there any debates planned in the future that we can know about?
01:54:12
Some debates have happened about this unfortunately, just as most
01:54:17
Darwinists refused to debate creationists on the grounds that to hold the debate is
01:54:23
Itself to acknowledge that there's legitimacy in the other side Now the actual reason is every time they do debate they lose and the listeners
01:54:32
Hold in advance and then pulled again afterwards show that you know They may answer that they have been persuaded much more by the creationist side
01:54:41
Well, I think the same thing lies behind the refusal of most global warming alarmist to debate the skeptics about this
01:54:49
Now we have had some debates for instance early last year the two colleagues of mine and I doctor
01:54:59
Dr. John Christie of the University of Alabama private principal research scientist in climatology there and dr
01:55:08
Ross McKittrick an environmental economist at the University of Guelph in Ontario and I teamed up to debate
01:55:17
Let's see It's oh Here's the founder and head of three fifty dot org
01:55:29
His team is escaping me at the moment, but he and two others an economist rusty
01:55:37
Pritchard and a former emergency room physician Who has turned an evangelical?
01:55:45
environmentalist Matthew Sleaf Those two were joined by the founder of three fifty dot org and the six of us debated this issue at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary under a
01:56:01
Program that they have going there to provide point and counterpoint on major public issues
01:56:07
And the result of that debate was pretty clear by the way Our side had far more scientific facts
01:56:17
Mastered and far more economic analysis mastered and far better theology and ethics as well
01:56:23
So we do that now also the Cornwall Alliance has repeatedly make it made public
01:56:29
Challenge and I would do so again right now on this program public challenge to evangelicals who embraced global warming alarmism we will provide a
01:56:41
Scientist and economist and a theologian for our perspective if they will provide a scientist and economist and a theologian for their
01:56:49
Perspective and we will debate this issue with them at any Christian college of their choice
01:56:55
And we will cover the cost of bringing all of the debaters there and we do have
01:57:02
Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania Who asked didn't the one of the founders of Greenpeace actually stepped down from the organization?
01:57:10
He helped to found because he realized that global warming was a lie
01:57:16
Yeah, that's dr. Patrick Moore. He was the only founder of Greenpeace with an actual
01:57:23
PhD in an environmental science and Really the only serious scientist among them all he was president of Greenpeace for a while early on and He stepped out of Greenpeace in the mid -1980s as he watched
01:57:39
Greenpeace become increasingly a left -wing socialist organization rather than a true environmental stewardship organization
01:57:48
And yes, indeed. He's one of the more outspoken critics of global warming alarmism
01:57:53
Yeah, I just saw him once I think on Fox News. It is interesting how the
01:57:59
Majority of the media seems to be keeping that a secret His resignation from the actual organization he founded
01:58:09
Well in about a minute if you could just close with a summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners
01:58:16
Well, I think what we at the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation really want our listeners to grasp most of all
01:58:23
Most importantly is the gospel of Jesus Christ, you know, you and I Chris are our sinners
01:58:30
We fall short every day of Conformity with the law of God and we need forgiveness of our sins.
01:58:38
We need justification. We need Reconciliation with the Holy God and that is available to any who come to him through by faith and the
01:58:48
Lord Jesus Christ who Died for our sins according to the scriptures who was buried and who rose again from the dead according to the scriptures
01:58:56
And when we come to him and are reconciled to him then we begin to Study his word in the
01:59:03
Bible and that word Transforms our mind we are not to be conformed to this world
01:59:08
But transformed by the renewing of our minds so that we can know what is the good and acceptable will of God That is what we need to know to fulfill our function as citizens in this world
01:59:22
Exercising the command to love our neighbors and when we do that we can understand better and better his word and his world then
01:59:32
Act as salt and light in the world and we're out of time brother and we look forward to having you back and it's
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Cornwall Alliance dot org Cornwall Alliance dot o -r -g And you just want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater