The Laborers' Podcast- Biblical Masculinity

Biblical Manhood and the Question of What Men Should Be

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Are we to be men who are avid sportsmen that can that know how to field dress a deer and And bring the meat home or we TV dads that are pushovers. What does the Bible say about who we should be. Stay tuned and we'll talk about that tonight.

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Welcome again to the labors podcast. The comment line is open. We would love to hear from you. Let us know that you're watching ask a question and we'll try to answer it tonight. We are with The here I stand theology podcast the happy Calvinist Claude.

Good to have you with us. We are with Big John Community community church real life real real life community church. That's it. It just just left me we got Tyler with us bread of the word podcast and we have a new gentleman with us tonight and I Feel like he is joining the network.

We have we've been having some discussions off-air with with Jeremy and I feel like that he's gonna be joining the network. Jeremy let people know who you are. Where you're at and and about yourself.

Well, my name is Jeremy Hall. I'm a pastor a small church in Conway, South Carolina called Faith Reformed Faith Reformed Baptist Church. We got planted about almost three years ago now we've been marching through Romans verse by verse we're in Romans 10 right now, so I'm married with three kids and my oldest daughter is Pregnant and due to have my first grandbaby this weekend.

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We want to talk about biblical manhood. In my man because I can I can go feel dress a deer or Should I model myself after? TV dads and be a pushover in the family. What does the Bible say about who we are to be as men?

Motives, Ambition, and Seeking the Applause of Men

So let's let's go with the first question. Describe the difference in a man that is driven Yet content with faithfulness Versus a man that seeks the applause of men. Big John since you're in first in line you want to go first?

I'll try. Okay, the difference between a man that is that is driven yet content with faithfulness versus a man that seeks the applause of men. Well. What's that what I'll take the last one first. Obviously anytime that you're seeking the applause of men you'll find yourself in direct direct Opposition to the gospel, right?

Everything everything that the church does and everything that men of God do should be to glorify and honor God should be to point all of all of the world to Jesus Christ. And if we're seeking the applause of men, then that means by definition you're looking for people to you, right?

So that's at its at its absolute best as Wildly narcissistic and at its absolute worst is radically condemnable as sin by Scripture. And I don't I don't know that I find The word I was reading the question right when you asked me Between a driven yet content with faithfulness.

So in this question, are you asking? That they both driven and content in their faithfulness. Is that what you're saying? Yeah well Driven as in I think most men are driven by nature that we want to. You know, we want to better ourselves.

We want to do better for our family. We want to do better for our children. Ambition and ambition. Yeah, I think that's not natural for men to want to do that and yet We also can find contentment in the sovereignty of God Places he has us.

I don't know that they're mutually exclusive though. Right. I mean so let's take I don't know. Let's take Paul. From the Bible, would you consider Paul content his own definition of his life was one of contentment, right?

Name another apostle more driven than brother Paul, right? So I think I think to some degrees I Would say driven is great. So long as you're driven by the right thing. So for instance, uh Why do you want to be a good dad?

Do you want to be a good dad? Because you don't want your kids to talk bad about you whenever you're old. You don't want to your kids to tell your grandkids Terrible things about how you really didn't care or do you want to be a good dad because you want to exemplify Christ in your home.

Example of who Jesus is I think maybe more than saying driven is what drives you to be? What is your motive? Because There's a happy Calvinist on here. Let me listen to a sermon one time called ten shekels in a shirt or something like that.

So part of the thing that the man said in that sermon was you can have totally wrong motives for doing right things and Actually be guilty of the exact same things of the world. The world says he who dies with the most toys wins the church.

We say the one who has led the most people to Christ has had a successful life and I would I would incur that the Last one is more truthful however, if your motives for seeing souls brought to the glory of God is so that you can I don't know have a Full tally beside your name then you're no better off than the former, right?

That's right. That's right. So, uh, I don't know if I answered your question though to be honest with you I would say that the difference between being driven and content in Christ is that you seek to glory and honor God and everything that you do including and up to and including your family and all aspects of it, whether it be your marriage to your wife or the fatherhood you have towards your children or the Fatherhood you have to other people's children who don't have a dad or the example that you are at work.

You know, where do you stop? Anybody want to jump on that before I get to the next question?

No, I would just I think Jesus reinforces that it to us in the scripture a good man now the good treasure of his heart Bringing forth good things right. And an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil things.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, right motive. All right. Oh, no, I don't have.

Complementarianism, Biblical Patriarchy, and the Denver Statement

Tell her I think this next question I'm thinking this will be Okay for you because you know Previously when the biblical manhood podcast was coming up We talked about going over the Denver statement and I know that you looked it up and looked over it.

Got it right here. But as we Between then and now I was looking into that and different perspectives. So here's my question. I recently heard a criticism on the Denver statement Danvers statement being a Compilation by complementarians describing biblical manhood or womanhood.

Being a complementarian statement. It doesn't go far enough. They say in that it can still be hijacked by egalitarians. The more biblical view they say is biblical patriarchy.

Where would you land on that? Okay, well I read that question and honestly I've racked my brain on that one a good bit this week and Honestly, I don't See from the Denver statement how it doesn't go far enough in my own personal observation.

So I'm not sure what exactly it they think it's missing. I would love to see specifics on what exactly they think should have been included here. But we do have to recognize that the Denver statement is on some level Reactionary that the the statements the six statements on the the front page for the reasons for putting this together had to do with feminism and some of the philosophies of Sigmund Freud the sexualization of humanity and some of that.

So you have some Aspect where it's responding to cultural shifts and so that might be part of what they're getting at. Maybe that it's responding more to a culture than The solid issue. I could think that as to whether or not complementarianism is biblically consistent I think it depends on how we define complementarianism and Biblical patriarchy there are some differing views.

I've come across on what we mean by patriarchy. So we I think the first route to handling that side of it would be to start defining terms.

So what are the did you did you look into that? So what are what how would you define? Patriarchy and then. The other part of this statement, like you said the important thing is to do is to to define terms.

So the idea of patriarchy Bare-bones, I'm typically refers to the man as this this headship. I mean you have ideas of headship in Complementarianism with the father being the head of the household the husband being the head of the the wife.

But where that seems to get worked out with? Biblical patriarchy from what I've come across Generally involves the woman does not work. She does not have a role in politics like Governor there's no female governors.

I've come across some that state that they should not vote. And some of those kinds of outworkings that it is only men outside the house. And so I guess it depends on are we using that definition of patriarchy in In the critique of the Denver statements or something a bit more.

Dare I say progressive something a little looser around the collar but as to what complementarianism means is the idea that man, and woman have complementarity that is that they're they're designed in different ways, but that they are Attuned to each other.

Go back to Genesis 2. I will make a helper for him. Corresponding to him and that's as close to the Hebrew I think is I'm aware of that we can get is corresponding to that. There's something directly relational between how Eve was designed and how Adam was designed that they To use the term complement each other.

Yeah, and and that plays into marriage that plays into the family dynamics that plays into A number of aspects of the way we look at humanity. Is that man and woman? Operate together that they bring out different aspects of each other.

If someone would like to expand on that a little bit further but the general idea with complementarianism. Based on what's in the Denver statement is that there is you have man? Woman male and female and God designed them each in a specific way for specific purposes.

They don't have the same roles necessarily, but that doesn't demean or belittle one or the other.

Correct me if I'm if I heard you, right? I want to try to restate What I heard him what I was hearing so with even with biblical patriarchy because I brought to the fact that these folks were saying that there was complementarian in Complementarians didn't go far enough.

So we lean towards biblical patriarchy. And what I heard you say was even even within biblical patriarchy. There's a spectrum. Yes. So you could you could be way off in the ditch with patriarchy. Yes.

Okay, so I mean there's there's digits that you can fall in even even in that arena as well. But then it wouldn't be biblical. True right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I Knew I asked you that for a reason.

I knew you you had studied up on that one. I speak for Jeremy, but I think me and Paul or me and I claw both agree. We're glad you asked him to. That's right, I ain't no shame in my game that's right.

Personal Integrity, Accountability, and Regeneration

Well, let's get off. Of critiques and all that. Let's let's get back to the the nitty-gritty and find out what the Bible says. The next question Claude why is personal integrity a quality of a biblical man?

Well, I first of all So the as to your question Why is biblical integrity important as it relates to the big to the godly man, right? So number one We are to be a. We are to demonstrate Not just we are did it to demonstrate to our family to our friends to the world in general and to show forth the saving power of of the Lord in our lives.

How God makes a man a new creature. And I know All men aren't called to be pastors or elders. But the the elder qualifications in first Timothy particularly for example Are just a good overall guideline for men to really men and women alike to really hold to In in the larger sense, but right above reproach.

So a godly man should be above reproach. Regardless whether he's an elder pastor godly man should be above reproach. The husband of one wife temperate sensible respectable hospitable apt to teach. Not addicted to wine or pugnacious.

This is the living standard version. They're living standard Bible. Not contentious meaning not contentious, but consider it peaceable free from the love of money. Leading his household. Well having his children in submission.

With all dignity right because it says if man does not know how to lead his household How shall he take care of the Church of God? So Biblical integrity is just something that should be demonstrated or as a result of Regeneration that will be demonstrated.

Because the fruit of the spirit of a believer is according to Galatians. Love joy peace patience kindness goodness meekness temperance. Right self-control against such there is no law. That's what the book that's what Paul taught the Galatian Church, right?

So I think what happens a lot of times is that in in Christian circles, there's so much of a Hash is what I'll say Vance Havner the old preacher used to say I don't eat hash at home because I know what's in it now don't he'd eat hash away when I'm away from home because I don't know what's in it because it's just an Amalgamation of a bunch of stuff thrown into a pot and fried up, right?

So I think what's happened in the church world is there's been this amalgamation of ideologies. Right about what a man should be what a man shouldn't be right? What should what should what should a man do?

What shouldn't a man do when there shouldn't be an admixture at all? It should be we should be going to the book to see what God requires of a godly man and what a godly man looks like. And the old the old Puritans can't remember who what his name is right now, but godly man's picture one the one the old Puritans wrote a book godly man's picture which you know typifies what a godly man should look like.

So.

Let me ask two questions branched off that integrity question so As far as Your personal life. Mm-hmm behind-the-scenes life. Yep. Do you think it's wise? for a man to have safeguards as far as accountability or Things things that help keep you away from sin when nobody else's are around.

Do you think that's a wise thing to do for for me and unequivocally? Absolutely. Yes. Okay. And here's my second. Because you're an idiot if you don't. Adrian rogers back when I was in high school I I skipped semester exams. My senior year had to go back a semester just so I could go to the uh, Sbc pastors conference to hear adrian rogers preach.

And i'll never forget it as a high school senior. The message that he preached to that. To that pastors conference. It was called the playboys payday. He said any man That claims he's not tempted or doesn't look at other women is one of three things.

He's no man. He's superman. Or he's a liar. And that's the truth. Right. That's right. That's that's. Sorry to keep going on but that's that's part of why it's so important for a godly man uh to be a active connected Dedicated member of a local church because you have personal accountability with people that you come in contact with on a regular basis.

To keep you in check. Sorry next part.

No, no, that's good. And uh. Maybe you other guys can maybe give one other piece of advice in that area for personal integrity and my second question Which I will also ask for. Um advice would be especially for for young young men or Young men seeking or having the desire to teach having desire to be a pastor.

Um theological integrity um how to how to keep yourself from from going off in into ditches or following their own person or becoming too. A cage stage is the term that has been coined lately. Um, you know, you you learn this new doctrine and you're so excited about it.

You just want to rattle everybody's cages. Why don't you believe in this? So so how can we maintain theological integrity as as young men people looking as older men? Um, and and what are other good pieces of advice for personal integrity?

Any other guys. Well, I I'd uh as since i'm not a calvinist I wouldn't be in the cage stage according to. So, uh, but uh in terms of well in terms of personal integrity uh simple Extremely simple things that uh should be done from a man's perspective is Thank you.

You're uh Probably your digital life is probably the most Secluded of all the things that you do, right? Everybody that's on here is on either a computer or a tablet or one of all three of them and Most folks carry a cell phone in their pocket that's capable of doing almost everything that their computer at your desk is capable of doing and uh.

You know, there's a myriad of things you can get into i'm sure if you wanted to on your telephone. So the simplest thing for me is always having all my stuff open always it's just a What'd you call it a safeguard?

Yeah, it's something everything that. Everything that I have is logged on to almost the same thing. And my wife knows my passwords better than my kids know my passwords because I need to ask them. They're going to be the ones that log it on so.

Uh, it's best. I always find it best to always keep things like this open. For instance, my youtube Is on the television and you can turn on my television and pull up my youtube watch history you know now.

Again, this is wildly simple. But it requires that you and i'm sure there's still a way you could probably bypass these things. I Don't really know how but if i'm sure someone out there wouldn't know how the thing is that's where it takes having A relationship with somebody and I suggest not just with your wife.

But somebody other than your wife that ask you hard questions and know if you're trying to be deceptive. Yep. Somebody that whenever you start talking around the subject instead of answering it, they they nail you to the wall and say I'm just going to ask you straight up if you can't answer me straight up then I know we've got a problem and uh, Again, these are very very very simple things.

I think another area That isn't as commonly talked about From a minister's point of view is integrity and sermon preparation yep as i've gone to other churches here lately and have uh applied for Pastors positions i've been asked Every single church if I prepared my own sermons.

Wow. And I don't know that this is a thing that everybody must be but undoubtedly somebody somewhere is dealing with it because I keep getting Asked this question and i'm in a box and uh. That's something that as you were talking about being a above reproach.

One of the things that I think you ought to be able to do is you ought to be able to supply your sermon notes to anybody at any point whatsoever and If you've got a problem sharing anything that's on your computer you've got a problem period that's right and uh that goes for not only your uh spiritual integrity.

When you're talking about what your eyes are looking at and what your ears are listening to we're also dealing with what your Spiritual integrity is in terms of what you say. Is it something that god's done in you or is this something god's done in somebody else and you've wrote all of it down.

What was the southern baptist convention deal a couple years ago? Somebody wound up telling a lie and and used plagiarism for the last southern baptist convention leader. Who I think was telling a lie when he told it and was plagiarizing somebody before him.

It's like third levels of nonsense. If that's a dramatic comedy or not, but uh, but uh, yeah. In any case.

Well, hey, i've got something else to add but let's let jeremy. Jeremy's not got to speak on. Let's go ahead. Jeremy speak on this for a minute. Theological integrity. Come on. Red. Well.

Let me let me mention this beforehand. I looked up that book godly man's picture. That's thomas watson. Okay, thomas watson. Thank you, i haven't read the book but Thomas watson's well trusted. So yeah, he's a good one.

I might get that for us for the men of the church. Um, but theological integrity really I think. Um. We've kind of come. As americans we've kind of got away from this and I think as reformed baptist and just reformers.

We were kind of going back to it, but some of the creeds and confessions um now. Obviously we we know and understand that not. That's not our standard. Right the scriptures are standard. But if we're outside of a creed or confession, we we better have a very very good reason to be outside of it.

Yeah. But I I think those those help kind of like bumpers in a in um in bowling they keep they keep us out of the gutters. Um, but that's they're not there as that they're not there as the object that we're focused on.

So we're focused on the scriptures and and and dealing with the scriptures, but we have creeds and confessions that kind of keep us there um when we're when we're not you know, I think another part of that is as pastors or some of us even uh, maybe not even pastors or.

That before we're not pastors is our pastor should be able. We should be able to go to our pastor with any question theologically um and if he doesn't know the answer to it because there's some you just don't.

There's no answer to where it's not sufficient but we should at least be able to go give it an answer to it or say I don't know the exact thing on this but John calvin taught this or john gill taught that um.

So we have we have that in our pastors. And in our creeds and confessions and in our local body and I think to go. Was it? Was it big john? Is that what I said? Yes, sir. He's he's talked about having somebody there that will hold you accountable.

I think that's part of being a biblical man is I have Uh men that would hold me accountable and I hold them accountable too that's part of being a biblical man. Not being um autonomous and you know, I got this don't worry about me.

That's right. I don't none of us have it. I think uh, I think about brother paul washer uh I used one of his quotes several times. It's fantastic as far as i'm concerned. Uh I think he was talking about his children uh, they were uh talking about the potential for his children courting later on in life and He said something to the effect of uh, he wouldn't let them leave.

Uh the house, you know until there was uh, until he was sure of their intentions. I can't hang work and he said don't you trust your kids? He said no. No, I don't trust my kids. He said I don't trust their dad.

And I thought I thought man, that's great. So there's been times my kids wanted wanted to do something. I was like no I ain't doing that and somebody said I think it's my wife. She said do you not trust him?

I said absolutely not. Without hesitation, no, I don't trust him. Why not? I said I know them that's and I don't trust their dad. That's. And I approach it this way with my wife too. I have several times I said, uh, I encourage You to check behind what I say if I say something about the bible look it up.

Look it up. I'm not i'm not immune to being wrong. I mean i'm not. You know, uh if i'm doing something or saying something that you don't think is flush. Take it to somebody if you I mean get a second opinion, uh.

And bring them bring them to the house and have them because here's what here's what I think about it. If you love somebody you'd correct them. That's right chance to correct them. You wouldn't let them keep steering it until they completely destroy their life and everybody around them.

Loving them Is doing the hard thing in the moment, which is I don't know maybe making them mad for a little bit. That's right. You brought up paul washer and here's one of the things. And it's been so long ago since I listened to this series of his I think it was on marriage and family.

But this is one of the things that I learned from him that I've I found so helpful. And of course i'm gonna mess it up. It's not an exact quote, but it's basically what I learned from him. He spoke of coming home.

And Relieving your wife and taking care of the children taking them off her hands and taking care of the children. And he talked about me and saying well, you know, i'm tired. He's like you're supposed to be you're supposed to go to bed time.

Yeah, and I I found that so helpful. You know when I've when I work. And and i'm tired. You don't really have time to to drift and and wander and go to other places. That's right, and I found that so helpful.

That's good. You're supposed to be tired. Yeah, it takes a burden off of me. I know i'm wrong.

Well ecclesiastes 10 Says that a wise man's heart is in his right hand, but a fool's heart is in his left and in that in a in an age in a context where you work with your hands where you were Tending fields when you were making stuff.

You generally led with your right hand. So the wise person is it's poetry, but it's is depicted as having his heart in his active hand. And there's a there's a beautiful painting of saint augustine. Where he's got his heart in one hand.

And then he's got his eyes turned out to the window. There's a big ball of light and on on the light is the word truth. And so the light comes in the window and it illuminates his heart. And augustine's often depicted in renaissance art as Having his heart in his hand that he's he's pondering and he's studying it.

He's examining it. And I think there's something to be said about that. Um, definitely in the realm of accountability in some of this that we should have Um guardrails built in we should have fellowship.

We should have people sharpening one another. Amen, we should be examining the root of things. We should be getting down into the nitty-gritty of the what and the why. When it comes to a heart that the bible says is full of deceit it's full of wickedness, yeah this this is a huge thing, this is a Honestly, you might call this a pandemic in modern culture with not just christian men but men in general is the issue of integrity the issue of conduct, um, we're looking at 200 page documents detailing, um christian colleges that have Been covering for abuse for decades.

Yeah, we're seeing this kind of stuff. This is basically a pandemic. This is a This is a detrimental thing that we are missing. And that is great bringing a great deal of hurt on the church Is bringing a great deal of um hurt to the witness of the church.

Yeah. Yeah. This has ramifications and this is worth getting right.

I think about robbie zacharias whenever you were talking about that in that moment. I think about how a You know seemingly a life That was lived in service You know in service to the lord and academic pursuits of theology and things and then You know and To have the Testimony of him now that you have it.

It uh that that broke my heart so bad to uh to read the documents that came out and to listen to some of the things that his own kids Had to go on their ministry's website and apologize to people and I think I wish people would understand that You are not immune To this kind of thing this there's no there's no button That is installed salvation that says that won't stick to me anymore.

It's like a teflon coat and there's that is not whatsoever and and we gotta we gotta quit acting like I. I agree with what brother claude said a while ago. We're to be above reproach, but we're never to act like we're above reproach.

That's right supposed to be able to be talked to you shouldn't ever Say to anybody who questions you how dare you question me? That's right saying that that's right. And uh,.

Yeah I I agree and galatians, uh again, I think it's i'm pretty sure it's galatians. That's where paul addresses that same issue and he says this if you But you're spiritual see your brother overtaken.

In a fault you restore such in one you who are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness. And then he says this comma considering yourself. Lest you also be tempted. Yes, that's it. That's exactly right.

And and rob one more can I add one more, uh, absolutely for theological integrity. Theological integrity for the godly man, uh is attained and and You know, I I guess progressively built up right because we're we're never gonna be we're never gonna be uh good this out of eternity.

But uh, amen another yeah another point of hold on there we go. Um. Uh, another point of theological integrity for godly man when it comes to you know actual Knowing the scriptures and understanding the text and rightly dividing the word.

Theological integrity doesn't come from Me spending my time all my time reading. One man's commentary one man's writing or listening to one man's preaching but it means that I Go and I like when we're when we're uh studying every week for this sermon, right?

We actually Go to different commentaries to see and to test. Uh, like what? Jeremy said there. Uh, you know that like the guardrails in the confessions we go to the confessions and we go to different commentaries.

I mean matthew henry's fantastic, but we don't just read matthew henry. You read john calvin you read john gill you read alexander mclaren you read all these other, you know commentaries. Because there will be an overall consensus of truth throughout church history.

Always there will always be a consensus of truth and guess what? If we are coming up with some new brand new thought and no new idea about what a scripture says. We're probably not right. If it's a brand new thought and a brand new idea about what the scripture says because there's nothing new under heaven and the word of god and so biblical theological integrity comes from being able to To brawl or to view and to hear a wide spectrum of commentary on biblical text.

But you have to stay grounded in the text itself.

Well, i'll go ahead and admit that i'm finding myself To a degree guilty of that, you know seeing something in the text and but I I threw it out. Um, like I I threw it out this this past week to to you guys and i'll throw it out to some other people to to see.

If if what i'm seeing that lines up with scripture does it line up with the original language and you know I'm learning that the consensus is what what i'm seeing or what I thought I saw. It doesn't really line up with the biblical text the original language and so i've got to make steer and make a correction in my thinking.

I I still think there's a connection there. It just may not be where I thought it was right, and so um, yeah, that's Tremendous and it's tremendously important to say. Once you learn that what you're thinking is not the consensus to say step back.

That's right. And reevaluate and it's not easy to do but but that is that is a evidence of uh biblical integrity of godly of being a godly biblically Integral and not integral. Yeah having godly and biblical Integrity.

I just wanted to ask one clarification on something that you were saying tyler um when you were talking about the heart being in the hand the right hand and being You know kind of put out forward in front of the man.

The word that I was thinking when you were describing that was the word exposed is that what you were getting at. That the heart is exposed. Yes, it's exposed to correction. It's exposed to truth. It's exposed to To sin or or the sin that's there.

Okay, okay. That that makes a lot of sense and I I love that analogy. Jeremy i'm glad you come back because I wanted to go to you for the next question there was a uh I got my chicken coop out here. And I have a motion sensor light on it.

And the motion sensor light came on and my dog was going crazy. Oh so my family's kind of freaking out thinking there's a coyote or Something out here. So I just had to go make sure my chickens were okay With you and dan would have a lot to talk with because he's up in new york and I have chickens and ducks and I think they've they've had a An enemy to the to the bird family there.

Oh, we have two we had 20 21 of them and now i'm down to nine. Oh, no. Yeah, wow, so I want to find what it is right exactly exactly need it this um this next question. How is how is trusting in the sovereignty of god a trait of the biblical man and you want me to answer that yes.

Trusting the Sovereignty of God in Leadership and Evangelism

Um personally I would say that as the leader in my family and Supposed to be in my community and in my church. The fact that I can rest in god's sovereignty gives others rest around me if they see me like you know the the house payments due and the the money hasn't come in and i'm running around frantic and And worried about everything in the world and having you know Panic attacks or whatever it is and It's going to affect those around me.

Where when I go, you know. The lord says you're going to take care of me and he can he could um pay his disciples taxes. With a coin out of a fish's mouth I'm, pretty sure he can put money in my bank account and and You know, that's I think that's one good aspect of it.