Collision w/ Jeff Durbin: The "christian agnostic" Brandan Robertson

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Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin, you're watching Collision. And today we're going to be learning about things that don't match bird dogs, elephant cats, those sorts of things.

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The question is, I read a comment that you're a Christian agnostic. Could you elaborate? It's a question that went to the gay pastor,

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Brandon Robertson. Let's do this. So the comment that came into him was

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I read a comment that, uh, that you're a Christian agnostic. Uh, could you elaborate? Uh, it's immediately a challenge when you're listening to something like that.

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That somebody would be receptive to, yeah, that's my position because you're talking about two completely different categories here, a

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Christian who believes that there is ultimate truth, that there is objective truth, a Christian who believes that God has revealed himself, not just in creation itself, but also in special revelation,

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God incarnate, God's walked among us. God has spoken in history, uh, to his people, through his people.

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And so knowledge is actually possible in the Christian worldview. And agnosticism, which is a, and gnosis, or that's without knowledge.

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Uh, Thomas Huxley, of course, coined that a term, but the idea that you could be somebody who believes that knowledge is possible and that there is such a thing as knowledge and truth, and that you don't believe knowledge is possible or knowledge can't be known.

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There is no knowledge possible. Uh, so it's asked of, uh, Brandon Robertson, Brandon Robertson, many of you will be familiar with.

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He is, uh, the apostate, um, uh, gay, uh, preacher, gay pastor who defends homosexuality and those sorts of things.

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And so, uh, the question is asked of him. Let's listen to it on the old Tik Tok. I am a

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Christian agnostic. What does that mean? I say I'm a Christian because culturally, it means that you are highly, highly confused culturally and religiously.

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My worldview is grounded in the Christian religion, the stories and scriptures, traditions, theologies, the forms and liturgies, the stories of Christianity are how

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I understand my life and understand the world. I, okay. Let's try that. So he grounds his, his worldview in scripture, in the

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Christian scriptures, in the theology of the Bible, the old and new testaments. So that's the claim being made by this man.

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And the question has to be asked, well, okay, well, if you truly are grounding your worldview, how you view reality, uh, ontology, metaphysics, the, what, what is actually real, what is all of this, how you, how you ground your ethical system, he's claiming he grounds his worldview, his ethical system in the scriptures and the theology of the old and new testaments.

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And, um, he's, uh, grounding his, his, his, uh, his perspective in a biblical worldview, well, biblical worldview comes from the

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Bible itself. And so that's the question we have to first ask is how can you be somebody that claims that you're a

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Christian agnostic, that knowledge isn't really possible that we cannot know.

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Uh, and again, you're familiar with the terminology, uh, atheism or atheists.

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That's, uh, a that's the negation of theism or for God. And so there is no

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God atheism and agnostic is, uh, there is no knowledge. Knowledge isn't really possible.

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We can't ultimately know. So how do you come to that position of being a Christian agnostic?

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Uh, when the worldview you claim to believe in is grounded in, he said it, the scriptures that testify to a

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God who speaks, uh, it testifies to a God who knows all things.

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I mean, that's what scripture teaches about God, that he is the, um, God who is omniscient, that's, that's a category that we believe about God.

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He's omniscient. He has all knowledge. He knows all things and he doesn't learn anything.

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God is the, is the knower of all truth and the scriptures that he says he gets his worldview from say that, that all knowing

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God has imparted knowledge to his creatures, creator, creation, distinction, and that God knows things, knows all things and imparts knowledge to his people.

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And so you can show this in terms of God speaking about the future. He knows future events before they happen.

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You can see that in scripture where God knows everything about his creatures themselves. He knows their thoughts, uh, from far off.

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He knows them. Uh, God, uh, knows the truth because God is the truth. He's the very grounding of truth.

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So God gives his law and he tells his people this, but not that, uh, including, uh,

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Mr. Robertson in sexual ethics. God makes knowledge claims about this is, uh, an abomination.

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This is what is loathsome to me. This is what is detestable to me. God, uh, claims to hate things.

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Uh, he hates, uh, people who sow discord. He hates, uh, the one who breeds out lies.

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He hates, uh, the ones who, whose hands shed innocent blood. He makes knowledge claims about those things being evil.

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So God's law itself is the very grounding of knowledge of what is right, what is wrong. The ethical system in scripture is based upon God's knowledge.

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And that is his own character is the standard of what is right and what is wrong. Righteousness is defined by his own character.

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Um, justice is defined by God because he speaks it. And so how can we say that we're

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Christian where there's a claim that God knows all things and imparts knowledge to his creatures. The fear of the

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Lord is the beginning of knowledge. So knowledge is possible in the Christian worldview with Reverend and submission off first before God, but knowledge is possible.

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How can we claim that we believe this system based upon the revelation of God and also believe that no knowledge is really possible?

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We can't know. Um, how can we do that? Those are two things, two categories that come into collision with each other.

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And they are things that are antithetical to one another. A Christian worldview is a worldview that's based upon knowledge.

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God's revelation. He knows, and he's told us, and that's how we have certainty and a grounding for knowledge and truth and certainty.

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And then you have this other worldview over here that says, Anosis, without knowledge, we can't know.

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We really can't. And so these things come into collision and let's listen to how Brandon tries to bring them together.

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I use Christian language and I think in Christian theological terms. I'm a

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Christian in that sense. So, uh, this is important too, because this is something that the cults do constantly is they counterfeit

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Christianity by co -opting the Christian, um, language, the Christian words, and then in giving them entirely different definitions and meanings.

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And so we have to, as Dr. Walter Martin said in his book, kingdom of the cults, we have to learn to scale the language barrier when dealing with apostates like Brandon Robertson or dealing with cult leaders and cultists like say

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Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses or Rosicrucians or Branch Davidians or whoever, whoever we're dealing with.

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We have to understand that they co -opt a Christian language, they borrow it, and then they pour entirely different meanings into those words, whether we're talking about Jesus and distorting, uh, who

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Christ is, uh, talking about the gospel itself, distorting the nature of the gospel, the scope of the gospel, the ultimate goal of the gospel, the cults and false religions like Brandon Robertson's, um, will often borrow from the

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Christian, um, uh, language and then pour entirely different meanings in.

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And so, yeah, we expect that. Brandon Robertson is an apostate. He distorts the Christian message, the Christian God, uh, distorts the scriptures, uh, mishandles

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God's word. And he admits here that, you know, I use Christian language. I talk like a Christian. Yes, he does.

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Um, but, uh, he's pouring entirely different meanings in and distorting the entire system.

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But I'm also an agnostic, meaning I don't know the big answers to the big questions of life.

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I don't know the apps. He doesn't know the big answers to the big questions in life. Really?

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So you're a Christian who doesn't know the big answers to the big questions in life, like whether there's a creator.

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Do you know that? Uh, whether that creator is good. Do you know that?

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Whether that creator is eternal. Do you know that? Uh, whether you're a creature made by God in his image, do you know that?

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I mean, do humans really have dignity that must be upheld? Do you know that? Because in evolutionary worldview, you're claiming to be from a

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Christian worldview and evolutionary worldview says that all of us evolved from the scum.

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We're just stardust in a universe that doesn't care about us. We've evolved from African apes.

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And before that, long before that we have fish and then bacteria. So there's no reason to uphold dignity, the dignity of the human being in that system.

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And so how are you doing it? How are you doing it? You're saying that you don't have the big answers to the big questions.

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Would you know, at least that, that we have a basis, a justified true belief regarding whether humans, uh, have dignity that they have value.

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That's a pretty big question. Or how about the question of whether God has spoken at all in history? That's seems to be a pretty big question.

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Or how about the status of human beings? That's a big question between us and God. Do we know

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God? Are we reconciled to God? Do we have peace with God? Is there a problem in humanity? Are we sinners or are we sick?

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Are we sinners or are we basically good? Because scripture makes knowledge claims about that question.

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Big question, big answer too. It says there is none righteous. No, not one.

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None who does good. None who seeks for God. That's what scripture says about that big question. And it has a pretty big answer.

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Or how about the big question about the, the life and ministry of Jesus Christ? A lot of big questions and answers come from that as well.

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Do we know that? Brandon Robertson is saying he doesn't know the answers to the big questions and the big, he doesn't know.

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He doesn't have those. Well, scripture makes some pretty bold claims about Jesus. I mean, here's one

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Jesus says in John chapter eight, unless you believe egoe me, I am, you'll die in your sins.

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That seems pretty big. You're going to die in your sins. It seems like a big question with a pretty big answer by Jesus that you're going to die in your sins if you don't believe that egoe me,

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I am the eternal God. Jesus makes another big claim. He says that whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.

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Do we know that Mr. Robertson? Do we even know that? Or are we agnostic about those things too?

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Because these are all knowledge claims that scripture makes and demands upon humanity that scripture makes.

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And they're pretty big questions. Like, um, whoever has the son has the life, whoever does not have the son does not have the life, but the wrath of God abides in him.

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That's big. That is so big. And I'd say that scripture is pretty, pretty clear.

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It's abundantly clear, consistent and without qualification about those big questions and answers.

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And Brandon Robertson claims that you can't know. And I'm going to just go on the record here.

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It's very convenient for an apostate like Brandon Robertson to, to say the things that he's saying, like he does here.

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It's very convenient for him because Brandon Robertson doesn't want the scripture to speak with certainty.

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He wants to live in a world of fog and not knowing these things are unknowable. We just can't comprehend these things.

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There are so many mysteries. The only way that Brandon Robertson can hold this book in his hands and preach the things that he does, um, while holding this book is to pretend like this book is a complete mystery.

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We don't know. It's so confusing. We couldn't possibly comprehend. It's just too majestic, too beautiful, too huge.

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All that artistry with his words to get around the fact that Brandon Robertson is an apostate who denies what this revelation teaches.

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That's the truth. And that's the source of the Christian agnosticism. Hey, what's up guys.

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