Can Barren Women Have Fur Babies?

Like think about it like we're so hostile to children. We want to kill children. We think children are completely optional. We think marriage or marriage is completely optional. We think abortion on demand is just Fine and okay.

It's okay to kill them as much as we want to you know. If they stand in the way of our sexual, you know, liberty and freedom and all that. So like in that kind of worldview where we utterly despise human beings like you think like you think that this is just being petty.

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The Episode Introduction and Proof Text from Proverbs

Welcome to bible bash where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions. You're not allowed to ask. We're your host harrison kerrigan pastor tim mullett and today we'll answer the age-old question.

Can barren women have fur babies now as we kick this episode off tim? What bible verse do you have for us?

Yeah, proverbs 30 15 through 16 says the leech has two daughters give and give. Three things are never satisfied four never say enough. Shale the barren womb the land that's satisfied with water and the fire that never says enough.

Why Barren Womb and Fur-Baby Talk Are Not the Same Issue

Okay, so so why bring up that bible verse as the as our sort of proof text for the episode?

Yeah, I mean there's a lot of verses that we we can go to for sure, but then uh, I I think there is like a understandable Dynamic that god will bring up as you talk about the topic of barren wombs meaning like of all the things that God says like he does list like the barren womb is something that's never satisfied meaning like god understands that it is a significant trial for women in general to not be able to have babies like that's just obvious.

And you know when women, you know are unable to have children you can you can see Just how much of a significant struggle? It is for them even today like even in the kind of society like ours is just so hostile to children and In all the ways that it's hostile Uh to children like you you can see that like ladies.

They they definitely struggle with this but then you know when you talk about the fur baby discussion It's like inevitably like if you were to say hey, you know fur babies like that's stupid. That's wrong.

That's nonsense. Like that's not right. You know, that's not what god's designed them to do. Like this is like a form of lying. This is a form of deception. Invariably someone's going to bring up like the barren lady at that point and say hey, yeah you know, this isn't very sensitive to women who are suffering from infertility and all that and You know, it's obviously like when you're if you were to talk about like the fur baby phenomenon there has to be some way to talk about the fur baby phenomenon and say hey, this is just a You know destructive satanic lie like the cat lady woman like that's just a problem that's a real negative thing, right?

So the fur baby phenomenon, this is just a profound like reversal of a created order in this way. This is not good. Like people should be able to say that kind of thing and See like just how much of a problem it is.

But then instantaneously people were going to bring up, you know, what about the you know, the barren womb lady? Like isn't that kind of understandable? It's like yeah, i'm not really even talking about The barren womb lady in this kind of scenario and the vast majority of women are not barren.

I mean if they're barren, they're barren by choice. They're not like unwillingly barren. So i'm not really talking about that kind of scenario. And I can understand what's happening in that kind of scenario and I can sympathize to a certain degree With what's happening in that kind of scenario, but that still doesn't change the dynamics of the fur baby scenario like that's like you you have to be able to Separate the emotion out of it and talk about what is the bible say about Pets like what is the bible say about animals at that point and are we to describe them as children?

And you have to be able to have that discussion without You know a bunch of people coming along and taking offense on behalf of barren women.

Sympathy, Toxic Empathy, and the Limits of Victimhood

Yeah, I you know from my perspective it seems like one of these topics where certainly anyone. You know anyone who's barren. You would want to Show some kind of sympathy to them in general. You know because of the circumstance or the trial that they're now having to face that god's given them.

Um, you know obvious. I mean the the bible says as much like like you read earlier. And you know, I even just as a as a parent. Or someone who wants to become a parent but isn't barren. You there should be something in you that says like hey, I understand that not being able to become a parent Is a big deal, right?

And and that's a that's a significant thing to have to deal with at the same time it seems really strange to. You know to then take that sympathy and turn it into a weapon. You can almost just do whatever you want because god's given you this specific trial, right?

And so that's that's the logic in every area. What do you mean? Well, I mean like that's that's the victim logic. So once once people adopt the victim label, then the inevitable result of the victim label is you can't slam shame the victim.

You can't blame the victim and you basically have to let them do whatever they want. Like there's no rules that apply to them and that's like that's true of all the. Like the fake victim stuff, right?

But then in the case of like the in the case of a barren woman, she's like a true victim. Yeah, I mean for the most part I mean, there's some there's some situations where women can be buried barren because they you know were promiscuous in the past and.

That kind of stuff and so this is just them receiving the due penalty for their errors, okay so, I mean i'm not discounting that that's a possibility like meaning like the. There is like a culpable kind of barrenness that can happen for sure, you know.

That doesn't mean that I mean just acknowledging that that doesn't mean you're kicking anyone while they're down or something like that. It's still a trial, right? Sure. You know. But it is what it is, you know, so but then at the same but in this kind of case but this is definitely.

All the victim rules apply to this one and like way more, you know in the minds of many people meaning like they like. In the minds of many people if there's someone who's barren is like obviously it's like not their fault idiot, you know.

And therefore just give them whatever they want because they're suffering and so you just have that kind of out of control Sympathy that you're supposed to grant. You know and more than that like you're supposed to grant empathy with them, right?

You're supposed to feel what they're feeling and Get down there in the mud and then just like let them do whatever they want. But then part of the problem is it's just like that's toxic empathy, you know.

And that's not actually good for anyone. It's not good for victims to just be given a free pass to Emote and feel whatever they're going to feel in perpetuity and do whatever they're going to do in perpetuity forever in fact, I mean that's like the worst thing that you can do for true victims is just to grant them this Get out of jail free card to sin with impudence for sure.

Adoption, Marriage, and Human Companionship

Yeah, that's that seems really dangerous, but then you know the thing that's strange to me about it is just. There are other alternatives. As a you know as a as a barren person. You know mainly meaning like adoption, right?

Assume, you know assuming you're a husband, you know a husband and wife and and Someone in the marriage is barren. Then you know like adoption's totally an option now. I guess I guess there is some Discussion to be had about the current adoption system that you might live under but then just as a general talking point.

That's an option totally. But so so it seems weird to me. If we're talking if we're talking primarily right now about the barren person. Getting a bunch of fur babies. My. I guess my question would just be well, why?

Why animals. When they're when there are alternatives, yeah, I mean, yeah.

You know, you know maybe you have a situation where you have a lady who's unable to get married and wants to get married and you know, No one will marry her and and so then you have a different kind of barrenness there, right?

So you have like barrenness that comes from. Like no one will marry her. But I mean I I I yeah, definitely in like in all of these cases I mean no one ever. Like what you're not allowed to do is say hey god has other.

Better plans than this, right? Like this is never a good plan. Anyways, this is like a dumb plan. This is a stupid plan. So like you trying to mother this dog or this cat. You trying to get like fulfill those mothering impulses with that like you're just you're doing something destructive.

I mean you'd be much better like you. You do, um, what's it called a You. It'd be much better investment of your time to adopt a human being like if you're married for sure. And actually be a mother, okay.

Like yeah, like that would be like that's yeah, especially especially considering like hey, that's a person who otherwise Wouldn't have had any parents, right?

And I mean and let's say that you're single and you're unwillingly single or whatever else I mean like I know that you're not really allowed to say this but I mean, I do think that a lot of people Turn to animals they turn to pets in a way that keeps them from facing like certain aspects of their personality that would fundamentally need to change in order to make them like the kind of person that More people would want to marry.

Do you know what i'm saying? So like this is this is like a This is like an escapist route. Anyways, like this is not good like like there's nothing good about the fur children route. Like all it is is it's just a distraction from the things that god's calling you to do.

So I mean and that doesn't mean that it's wrong to have a pet or whatever else. But it's just like like this it is wrong to treat them like as as if they're a human being. Like that's fundamentally immoral and there's it's not going to do anything good for you, you know.

So it's just it's just going to be this thing that is just Keeping you from fulfilling the things that god actually wants you to be in your life, you know and like let's suppose that you make you know, you do everything possible to make yourself a you know a desirable marriage partner and No one wants to take you up on the offer or maybe you you know you're such a good marriage partner that like to the point where like all you got is a bunch of scoundrels out there and you know, like And Your godliness is actually repelling them or whatever else.

I mean like still like like there are lessons that come from suffering and like just trying to you know. Play pretend with an animal was never going to fix it, you know. So I I mean what you have with the fur baby stuff is you have something very similar to the transgender problem basically.

Fur Babies as a Form of Delusion and False Categories

Okay, what do you mean by that? I mean like the issue is like if you have a man who's pretending to be a woman like the We shouldn't lie right yeah, like you shouldn't lie and you shouldn't pretend like hey, they're a man just because like They're a woman because they say that they're a woman.

So I i'm not going to lie for you. You know, i'm not going to pretend like this is actually happening. And so just because you're suffering just because you're in a trial. That doesn't mean it's okay to lie about this animal and treat it like as if it's an actual human being.

And and you shouldn't ask me to participate in this delusion with you. Because i'm not going to participate in this delusion with you because I realize the truth is going to set you free. So like that's the issue like the truth is going to set you free and god's ways are right and you know obviously like man has been given dominion over the animals and The animals are a fundamentally different kind of creation than humans are and you know what when adam was in the garden like god paraded all the animals in front of him and God said about man.

He's like Before woman was created. He says it's not good for men to be alone. And like that's the thing like that's the thing about this topic. So adam was considered alone by god. Despite the fact that all these ex animal animals exist and god says it's not good for him to be alone.

But he's going to make a helper fit for him and so there's no companionship for for adam to be found among the animals god had to make a additional creation right. Woman in order for him to no longer be alone and have the companionship that he needed from other human beings.

And so like that's like these are theological points like we're not gonna forsake these theological points just because someone is suffering. From something right and like the to the extent to which you're trying to be adam in the garden finding your companion among the animals.

You're in you're embarking on a failed endeavor. It's not going to end well. It's not going to be what you think it's going to be. It's not going to do for you what you think it's going to do. And I mean that stupid animal is going to die in a few years.

And then you're going to be a blubbering mess of tears and asking for prayers on the internet you know because you did you were looking for something that. In like in an animal that you should be finding in a human being right?

And so you like that's the problem and like that's not what god's called you to do. He's called you to you know, find those fulfillment and those desires and marriage and adoption in the church, you know even to a lesser extent.

Um, so I mean there's all sorts of like avenues for human companionship, but this isn't the one here.

Pagan Animal Worship, Egypt, and the Creation Order

Yeah, and and I totally agree with you that I mean this is an issue that's coming out of a much larger issue. Which is the the fact that we as a society Worship animals in many ways, right? And so I mean you can you know, you can you can look back thousands of years and.

Look at like the egyptians for example. And the way that they seem to honor animals. I mean they even made their gods in the form of you know a bunch of animals mashed into One figure a lot of times and you can look at that and scoff and say hey, you know.

Oh how we have advanced as a society, but the reality is. We're we're worshiping animals the same way they did it just functions a lot differently than it did for them and and really. You know, really if if you want depending on how how far you want to go in this kind of discussion We're really not even that far off because I mean you've got you've got people dressing up like animals now.

You've got people pretend, you know wishing they had like cat girlfriends and stuff and you know. So so maybe we maybe we shouldn't scoff so much at the as at these ancient pagan societies and assume we're so much better because.

Oftentimes we end up doing all the same things that they do and really we don't even at this point. We don't even look that much different from them.

Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Uh, some relatives of mine were out in public recently and they saw like a furry they Saw one out in the wild. Yeah in an animal like suit, you know, like in an animal suit in public with the leash on, you know all on all fours in the public, you know, it's just like.

Yeah, I mean this is so this is where we're at, huh? I mean, it's funny. You look at all the errors that our society has right now and it's like they're all in the opening chapters of genesis, man. They are all in the opening chapters of genesis.

Like we're just like if you want to know who we are where we come from where we're going all these basic worldview questions you read the opening chapters of genesis and what you'll see is. You know God makes man as a distinct create creature like distinct from the animals.

He's created in the image of god. Unlike the animals, right? Like these are theological points that are being made right in the opening chapters of the bible like man is the pinnacle of god's creation.

Who is created in the image of god unlike animals like all like all that's true. It's not good for man to be alone. Like god prays the animals in front of adam and he says there was no helper found for adam among the Among the animals, you know, and so he makes woman in order to be that companion for him the companion that he needs.

You know, so you you find all those things in there and you know. What are we doing? Like we're worshiping and serving the uh, the creation rather than the creator who's going to be blessed forever and ever.

Amen. And I mean even jesus like he brings this he Touches on this point too and I bring this up and everyone like is scandalized by the fact that I bring it up, but I mean he like he direct directly appeals to this principle in genesis in order to make a different theological point but I mean, you know, he he looks at that at the uh, The woman and he he basically says it's not good to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs, right?

Like now her response is obviously yeah, but even the dogs eat the food that falls from the master's table. In all that and so I mean jesus is making a point basically by appealing to these creation realities, right?

So he's making he's obviously making a theological point there. But like the the but the point there is he's saying something that's true. He's saying hey, it's not it's immoral to mix up these categories like this.

And then she she does she doesn't she grants the point. She says yes, it is immoral, right? Like i'm not a jew, right? So I don't deserve the children's bread because i'm not a jew, but perhaps you could give me the scraps, right?

So but then the whole point there is just to say that everyone in that encounter knows it's not good to give The children's bread to the dogs, but what we've done is we've taken the dogs and we're making them children, right?

So everyone with the biblical worldview who's read genesis knows that like you don't mix up these categories and. And I mean obviously hey, we're not like you have, you know new stories of people trying to marry their pets.

Like, you know every time we post a comment on this online social media. Every time I talk about this in real life, you know instantaneously you're going to have people saying That animals are better than humans like in an honor and ironic way I mean, we're a nation that's killed 60 million babies.

And then we worship these pets and we spend all of our money on these pets. And I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean Yeah, you call I call up region's bank, you know one of the banks I bank with and. You know, they're talking about taking out a second mortgage to give your furry friend the backyard they deserve, you know.

So, I mean it's just like we're we're insane man, you know, and we're one step away from like full-on normalizing bestiality and everything else and so I mean it's like, you know, obviously like people are not.

They don't know how to deal with like the creation like they should and yeah. Yeah, you definitely get a.

Trans-Speciesism, Hostility to Children, and the Collapse of Civilization

Extremely visceral reaction talking about this subject. Just in general, I mean just just remove the the hey the barren woman or the barren man, whatever. Remove that from the conversation and just talk about the hey, you are mothering this cat.

You are you are pretending that you are this dog's father. You are a human being doing that right and and you will get such a visceral Reaction out of people all you know. Like I mean just they will bring up the most insane points to try and disprove Your position.

They will argue the most, you know, they will. They will appeal to emotion as much as humanly possible. I mean, this is an exam. This discussion is an example. What about the barren woman you monster are you going to deny her that?

Well, I mean i'm just going off of what the bible said, you know, I mean Hey, are you really willing to die on this hill really, you know, and and my response is just Well, are you really willing to kill me on this hill?

You know, I mean seriously like we're talking about.

Animals. Yeah right now the funny one the funnier. Yeah, some of the funnier ones are um. You know, aren't there more important issues?

Aren't there more important? I mean, you know, there there's certainly a lot of pressing issues out there right now but I I think most people probably Severely underestimate when you're at the point. Someone might make the argument.

Someone might make the argument. In relation to the furry stuff, right? Someone someone dressing up like an animal pretending that they are an animal themselves. Someone might make the argument. Well, hey if it's so wrong, why aren't there any commands against it in the bible?

Well, the reason you know, the reason there might not necessarily be a direct command. You know directed specifically at not because they were dressing up like a furry. Yeah, it's because like you are you're like four steps past the command, you know.

The commands already given like to get to this point you had to break four other commands already. They would have never even considered this because they weren't as stupid as we are as a society.

I mean, come on. It is like I mean, it's just abject pagan paganism. That's what it is. Okay, so we're just so far down the gutter like the romans one sewer like we're past romans one. Like we're like we've mixed up these things so much to the point where we can't even see straight anymore.

I mean, it's just like hey, uh, I don't know what to tell you. Have you read the first few chapters of the bible where it god says that man has created the image of god? Did he say that about animals?

No, he didn't. Man is given dominion over animals. We're a different kind of creation, you know. And you're you're like live-action role-playing as if you're an animal right now. Like that's no that's no different than transgenderism, you know, you're trans speciesism.

Like that's what you're doing. You're in your. You're making you're demanding that everyone validate your delusion. But I mean that only comes from this like worldview that's like utterly hostile like think about it.

Like we're so hostile to children. We want to kill children. We think children are completely optional. We think marriage or marriage is completely optional. We think abortion on demand is just Fine and okay.

It's okay to kill them as much as we want to you know. If they stand in the way of our sexual, you know liberty and freedom and all that. So like in that kind of worldview where we utterly despise human beings.

Like you think like you think that this is just being petty and just like, you know. Oh, ha ha ha it's just pretend. It's not really that big deal. Whatever like you you think that but then you need to take a step back and realize like what happens to a society when they don't Replace their population, right?

Right like like the issue is like We're like we're barely having kids anymore like civilization has collapsed because of these problems and why do you think we're doing it, you know, so I mean I I at one of the Churches that i've ministered at in the past.

I mean there was a situation where I was at this funeral. And you know the guy had the the guy had died and both of his kids came to this funeral, right? So both of his kids came to this funeral and I mean it's like one of the saddest indictments on Like the legacy of like this.

You know quote unquote christian man, right? Like uh, and i'm not necessarily throwing throwing him under the bus. I'm, just trying to say think about his legacy like this is his legacy. So you have his two single kids coming to the funeral.

And they're both in their early 30s. And they're both unmarried. And like the girl has her hair cut all short, you know. Because she's a working woman and everything else and they both have their pets they have to bring To To to the house.

Because like that was their companion. So that's like the guy's legacy his legacy is he has two single kids in their early 30s. You know who are pursuing careers? Who have pets? Like that's their life.

Like that's their life their life is that like they're trying to get out of this animal like they're normal healthy People that should have been married a long time ago, you know and like but then they're in their early 30s.

Have no interest in marriage you talk to them about that. They don't have any desire to be married. They don't know if they're ready to get married and responsibility of marriage and kids and all that stuff.

But they have these desires for companionship that they're looking to these animals to get right? Yeah, like they're little babies that they have to bring that they talk about as if they're their babies and that's.

Like if you don't see that that's the problem. I don't know what to tell you that's a huge problem and that's like and that's not even that's not uncommon like most people are getting pets before they're Married before they're Like as prerequisites to being in marriage.

I mean most couples will get a pet as their first step instead of having a kid. I mean like in not like and I'm not even saying like like unironically doing it. And then and then they'll have the audacity to post on social media like a picture of like when they finally get around to having a child the dog with a T-shirt on or something that says like big sis or something like that hahahaha.

I mean, it's just it's that bad. Like we're like we're delaying marriage. We're delaying children, you know, and we're. You know people can't Fight god's design completely like the issue is you can't just utterly reject who you are.

Like what you're going to do is you're going to find some sort of substitute that's going to like carry you over, right? So so like the issue is god god has called you to just like to be fruitful multiply fill the earth and subdue it.

When people reject marriage they don't reject sex, right. Right when people reject children like they they get animals, right? Like they they like the issue is they have these natural desires and they're going to fulfill them one way or another.

And the way that we're fulfilling them with all these substitutes. It's just a train wreck.

Closing Summary, Support, and Sign-Off

Absolutely. Yeah, I totally agree. Okay. Well, I think that's a good place for us to wrap up the conversation on so thank you tim For answering all my questions there and sort of walking us through that.

It certainly is a very concerning, you know thing for a for so many different reasons for all of the spiritual reasons. Uh, you know in in terms of like we're denying the way the created order of things.

That god intended we're trying to rebel against that. It's it's very concerning for all of the societal implications as well especially the whole like Once you stop having kids, I mean, it's not long before your society collapses before there's there's more Elderly pop there's a higher elderly popular population than there is a young working force population.

That's a legit a society destroyer and we're we're staring right at it right now with the with the way that people are or at the rate that uh, people are having kids right now and and you know, I mean that's not even to Bring up the whole like hey, you know, what about adopt you're denying adoption in order to have a pet instead and There's just so many issues with this.

It's very concerning that people that people have the response the visceral responses against you that they do when. When you bring up that this is a problem that needs to be talked about. So so certainly this is something for everyone listening to think through and think, you know, think through hey.

Have I have I been the person who's done these things. Have I tried to replace? Uh children have I tried to replace people with animals and in any significant way and that's certainly something to consider.

Hey, there's probably a sin there that I need to repent of and um, and and you know reflecting on those things and going to god and asking for his forgiveness for these things so Uh with all that being said we appreciate all the support you guys show to us week in and week out interacting with us online watching listening to the podcast.

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