Dead Men Walking Podcast #125 Les Lanphere on his film Cessationist, Roe v. Wade, and...Incubus?

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We have a good one for you here this one special. Now I know I say that every episode, but this one's really special because about six or seven years ago

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I got obsessed with the podcast. Okay. And if you guys know me you know that I was an early adopter podcast 1011 12 years ago, absolutely love them.

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And this gentleman. He was a host of a podcast called reformed podcast.

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And then since then has become a filmmaker. He does all kinds of great stuff, film called

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Calvinism, I think we have one come up called cessation ism which we're going to be cessation is which we're gonna be talking about.

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We have Mr. Les lamb fear on the podcast. How are you, sir. I'm doing well.

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Thank you so much for having me. Awesome. Thank you for being here. Why don't you give our guests a couple minutes introduction of yourself, tell them a little bit, a little bit about you and what you got going on.

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Okay, yeah I I'm just some dude I grew up in Pennsylvania, I was a terrible, terrible student, and I never went to college or anything like that.

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And then the Lord saved me when I was like 19, he moved me down to Florida, through some really cool circumstances.

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And then I ended up in a like a weird situation where this that some millionaire just built a visual effects studio in Port St.

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Lucie, Florida, of all places just this out of nowhere thing that happened. And then he trained a bunch of people in the city, locals, how to do like post production on on Hollywood movies so I started working in, in, in movies, and I was becoming reformed all around that same time, shortly after doing that you know some of that work for a while I started a podcast with my friend, we drank beer and talked about theology, and it was the height of the, the craft beer boom, and also sort of the height of the young restless reform

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Calvinism resurgence boom. And those two things sort of meshed very well and we got a big following and it was a lot of fun.

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And I, so at some point, I sort of tried to roll all of those interests and passions and gifts, if you will, together and ask people if they wanted to see a movie about Calvinism, and did some fundraising for it.

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And so ever since then, I've been making theological documentaries that are sort of the whole purpose is to sort of bring it down to a very understandable level with fun animation, and, you know, sort of intriguing stories that's kind of the, the idea make it digestible theological

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God glorifying. And that's, that's what I like to do. Oh, that's awesome man we're going to get into some of those films here in a minute but would you mind sticking around and maybe giving some input on our newsy news segment where we go over three news stories for them from this week.

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What do you think, of course, let's do it. Oh, yeah, we do have some news well we can't not talk about one of the bigger decisions that happened just a few days ago the overturning of Roe V Wade the

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Dobson verse Jackson decision, eliminating and this is what one of the the best decision ever made in American history.

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Okay, there you go. And I was going to say what the left is saying eliminating the constitutional right to an abortion, which that's a whole nother another subject when we talk about a constitutional right to murder.

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It did not law abortion though but merely gave the opinion that states have the right to ban legalize or regulate abortion.

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What are your thoughts besides the thought you just gave being the greatest decision in the US history, what are your thoughts on the

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Roe V Wade overturning less. It's just I mean it's it's morally, the only the only right choice, it's as far as the

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Constitution goes, just as politically, it's the only choice that makes sense that this should have never happened in the first place.

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So I say it's the best decision in American history because it's the most obvious the most clear and it's, it literally is a nation at least in the, in the sense of the courts, repenting of the most wicked decision that's ever been that's ever been made in American history at least if we just did away with it now abortion isn't solved or anything this is a, you know, a lot more work that needs to be done and people are still doing evil evil things in this land and soaking it with blood.

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But this was the right choice, and it opens up the possibility of actually, my goodness, allowing states to not let people murder their own children.

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Yeah, no, absolutely. I would say, you know, I've been accused of being cynical

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I say I'm a realist but I would have loved to see the court rule that states do not have the right to regulate the murder of pre born at all.

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You know if the if the Supreme Court came back and said well we're going to give the rights to the states to regulate the execution of any minority group they want or any

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Christian group or any sect of people, we would all be outraged. But instead, we are celebrating a decision that says,

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Oh, well, we'll give the states the rights to decide if they want to murder children. I take a little harder stance on it,

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I would like to see the day in America, where the general welfare clause of the Constitution is actually upheld by our

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Supreme Court, and says no you can't murder life in the womb at all, a complete abolition of abortion, but I think this is a step in the right direction

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I think this is a lot of hard work by a lot of those in that. I don't want to say industry but in that in that area or space of pro life and even abolition which

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I know a lot on both sides of that fence. But I think it's, I think it's good news and I and I always have said that we are going to look back on that 50 year span in our history and just hang our heads in shame of what we were promoting and allowing and legalizing.

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Let's go on to the second story though, this one, you know, we'll stay with the heavy stuff here.

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I picked this up off a Breitbart not normally a place where I go for news but just happened, just happened to catch my attention says children watch nude cyclists at Boy Scout led

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Seattle pride parade children younger than 10 watch fully nude bikers at the Seattle pride parade.

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I'd laugh because it's just so ridiculous, which is kicked off by the Boy Scouts of America, though it's not clear what group the nude cyclists were representing their purpose appeared to address body image with one sign that read challenge body shame build self esteem both men and women were nude.

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The parade reportedly began with the Boy Scouts of America leading the proceedings as they carried both pride flags and American flags pro abortion protesters, challenging the recent

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Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade were also enthusiastically received activists workers with Amazon also marched in the parade and challenged the company to remove transphobic books from its platform.

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And then of course it finishes up here and says Seattle police officers were reportedly barred from marching in the parade.

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So, I saw a video clip of this and I'm thinking about posting it

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I don't know if I should maybe I'll just give the link and you in listeners and viewers can watch at their own, you know, kind of discretion, and it shows these young kids all under 1089 so you know seven six, and they're so the confused look on their faces as they watch these fully nude adult men and women riding by on their bikes with everything exposed in your heart just breaks and goes, not only is this something that's being pushed but being pushed by once a

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Christian founded organization like the Boy Scouts. I mean, where do we go from here after we see

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Roe v. Wade overturned we're probably going to get some challenges on some trans right and and same sex marriage right stuff to in the

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Supreme Court in the next year or two. Is this a turning point are we going to see more of this kind of stuff or do you think less of this kind of stuff.

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What do you think less. I mean, yeah, so like I didn't even hear about this story but it's not you know none of this stuff is even surprising at this point they're clearly just they just want blatant sexuality, just shove down the throat of children and, you know, there's nothing you're supposed to be able to even say about it.

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Yeah, I don't know man it's it's, you know, with with 2020. As far as I was concerned, it's like very clear the

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Lord has given us over. We are just completely under judgment, and the overturning of Roe v.

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Wade was such a surprise to me like in the midst of all of this, this like wild seeming attempt at repentance on some level was so it's so beautiful it's you know it's such a good attempt at doing the right thing.

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But it's, I don't know if the Lord, if the Lord decides to be gracious. I will be amazed at his grace but I'm still, you know, the whole eschatology thing.

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I'm very pessimistic about the near future. I don't see,

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I don't see America, going in a good direction just just from, you know, what what we're observing you know you might get these little moments, you know, maybe we'll get a really good conservative president, you know, whatever, as a reactionary thing but that's all you know it's all based on the economy, it seems, we need a nation, the nation to repent, truly.

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Yeah, morally, not just based on you know Joe Biden ruin the economy so we're going to elect a

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Republican or whatever. Absolutely. So, you know, is that going to happen is the Lord going to pour out his spirit and bring about repentance in America, that would be a beautiful thing.

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But if not, when I look around it just, it just seems like this is the direction we're going in, and we're not getting a whole lot of pushback.

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Yeah, so let's take a four hour conversation and reduce it to one question what is your eschatology where do you lean.

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I'm a millennial. I'm a millennial. Yeah, yeah so Jason and I always go back and forth he's he's post mill

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I'm optimistic, I'm ill, I think that's pretty close though but okay so that's another that's a whole nother episode that people don't want to hear about that because we've talked about it.

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Let's finish up with our last story this is more of a fun one. Top Gun Maverick continues to soar just past $1 billion.

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And here's the caveat guys, without China, China banned the movie, usually it's 25 to 30 % of worldwide box office, the all male toxic masculinity testosterone filled film made a billion dollars worldwide without China is, are we going to, and we keep seeing this

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Jurassic Park anything with a strong male lead seems to do very well in entertainment.

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Are we going to see the toxic max masculinity stuff kind of go to the wayside or.

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I mean usually Hollywood follows the money are we going to keep seeing the strong male leads that I would say are more biblically aligned and some of the other stuff we've been seeing.

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I don't know Top Gun Maverick kind of has proven that wrong again to where they did a billion dollars, you know, without China, what do you think.

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Yeah, at the risk of completely contradicting what I just said. That's okay you can do that here.

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Are you familiar with the dead internet theory. No, I'm not. Please explain ever heard of that. Yeah, so there's this this whole idea that.

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So you know the whole thing with Elon Musk is going on right now with Twitter and Twitter supposed to be revealing how many bots are make up that you know the users on Twitter, and all this weird stuff started happening as soon as Elon was like got his foot in the door.

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All these conservatives got millions of followers back and all these Democrats like Joe, like half of Joe Biden's followers and 48 % of Joe Biden's was fake.

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Yeah. Insane. So, so, and then they're not revealing the actual numbers of bots, they just they just won't release the information.

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So it's this giant question mark is Elon Musk about to like unveil that like all of Twitter is just bots.

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So there's this whole idea. There's this theory that goes along with that called the dead internet theory so I guess it's like in 2014 or somewhere around there.

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That's when the crackdown started happening on all conservatives and like the voices and they just started controlling the entire narrative that is the internet in general, and it just became all bots.

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So the internet died. And so, the idea is nobody no human beings actually believe the nonsense, very few at least, and definitely the paid activists that are trying to these marches and stuff.

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So it's all a charade, the internet doesn't actually feel the way that we're told they do we're actually mostly sane, more, at least more conservative people so what we want to see is movies like Top Gun Maverick, and what we don't want to see is girls making out in right

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Toy Story movies. Right. Yeah, see optimistic I'm ill I'm telling you, you might have contradicted a little bit but you're absolutely right because here's the thing.

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Even within like, like stand up comedy and things like that. You talk to comics and they go outrage to the seven people on Twitter like it seems like the minority of the view, people who get out and talk to a lot of people

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I'm a real estate broker I'm also an elected official, I talked to 10s of thousands of people a year across eight or nine counties in my state.

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Generally, when I say generally 51 % or more are are not on board with this far left kind of woke, and they don't even have to be believers, they just go what this is insane.

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And I would tend to believe something like I could see certain tech companies or elites or whatever controlling a narrative digitally.

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They've done it in print, right, we've seen them do it in print media so why not do it in digital media. Very interesting theory.

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I knew I knew having you on would always turn to something interesting. So we got introduced to a new dead internet theory guys go look it up and tell us what you think.

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All right, so that's all the news we got. Let's get in to the show, and that was the news.

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Awesome. So tell us a little bit about your new film less sensationalist. I want to know, like where did this idea came from.

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Why you felt it was the right time to make it. Give us your input on this.

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So really I'm the new kid on the block for this particular project so I like I said

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I, I made, I started making films I made a movie called Calvinist, and then a few years later I made a movie called spirit and truth.

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And so that was, respectively, one was explaining Calvinism and the resurgence of Calvinism, and then

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I made a movie about reformed worship. So specifically like, why is smoke machines and big bands and like all this insane stuff in in worship of a bad thing.

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Kind of defending the, what you call reformed worship historically. So, these are passions that I have.

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And I was kind of getting the itch to make another movie, and these two. My, my partners now

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David and Tim, they, they came up with an idea to make a movie about cessation ism, which if your audience doesn't know, basically just means that the gifts in the

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New Testament like speaking in tongues and raising people from the dead and like healing people, just as as an office like I can just go around and do these things whenever I want sort of thing.

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That idea has has ceased, because they served a purpose and a time, and that time, and that purpose has ended.

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So that's the idea. And I am a sensationist, but they were very passionate about this thing.

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They shot some footage of it they put together a trailer they were asking me if I would maybe help with it. And once I started to look at the project

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I recut the trailer just to make it a little more poppy and punchy and interesting. And then

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I was like hey, let's just make this together like I am a sensationist I love the content.

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I think it's going to be good so the three of us now are partnered up and making it pending it getting funded so it's on Kickstarter right now.

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It's very close to getting funded 94 % or something like that funded.

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So, by the time this comes out, it might already be funded, but, you know, the more money we get, the better the movie is going to be the more travel we can do and all that stuff.

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And you'll also get t shirts and, you know, coffee mugs or whatever you want pre order the movie all that stuff so if you're interested in this, please go over, check out the

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Kickstarter, the movies called cessationist, and you can, you can help support it, if you'd like to.

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Yep, and we'll make sure we link that up on our SS feed when we send out everything to all the pod chasers and podcast listeners and all that.

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So, is this, is this going to be a movie that just explains kind of one side of a view is it going to be explanatory at all is it just going to be, well there's two views and this is why is there going to be biblical rep like, what are you trying to accomplish with this and if I'm a listener right now and I go yeah

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I want to invest in this film and I and I want to see it. What can I expect in the film that I'm going to get.

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Yeah, so my philosophy and it sounds like the guys that I'm partnering with they kind of feel the same way.

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As far as what I want to do in my movies is make a positive case for a doctrinal position

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I don't want to leave anybody at the end of it like sort of like, I don't know which way.

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So, you know, we will, I believe that cessation ism is true. I believe it's biblical I believe that going against it is actually dangerous for a lot of reasons.

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So the purpose of the movie is to kind of show one, some of the crazy stuff that's going on out there.

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I think, but I think people are also pretty familiar with it because it's pretty like pop culture mainstream mainstream sort of, yeah, it really is.

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And so we want to expose that, but we also want to interact with, you know, the best arguments because there are there are

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Christians like I've gone to really solid seeming churches, and everything seems on the up and up and you're going along fine and then all of a sudden somebody will start speaking in tongues some special message from the

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Lord and somebody else interprets it and I'm like what the heck is this, like, like, so there are like seemingly sane people that that believe this stuff and, you know, we want to be respectful to the john

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Piper's and the Wayne Grudem's of the world, and make sure that we're not just attacking blowhanging fruit but actually interacting with, you know, it like, is there a clear way to understand this and come to a conclusion about about these things.

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Very, very interesting. Okay, so let me, let me see if I can ask you a few questions maybe give you some, maybe some examples.

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So, what about someone who might say, you know, do you feel that there's a difference between signs and wonders, and an actual healing that we can explain, let's say, a documented healing where, you know, someone prayed or they prayed for themselves or someone prayed for them and there was an instant of a healing that otherwise could be unexplained.

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Are you saying from your position or the movies position that they're saying that no longer happens does

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God still heal today, or is signs and wonders and miracles different or do we lump those in the same group.

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I know I got a couple questions there for you but maybe you can pick that apart and tell us what you think. Yeah, so a couple of issues to go along with that is like most of when we see that it's it's sort of just somebody coming in, either telling you that that happened, or, or you get these like crazy revival situations where people are, you know, there's plants in the audience and there's some guy in a wheelchair and you go over and pray for him and you know you're showing off the power of this one individual preacher or whatever.

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So, yeah, problem one is that so much of this stuff is just fake be like pretty clearly fake if you have any sense at all and you're actually paying attention to what's going on.

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These people are proven to be charlatans all the time. But one of the misunderstandings about cessationism is that we're saying that God can't perform miracles anymore.

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And that's definitely not true, God can absolutely heal somebody instantaneously, if he wants to.

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So, God could speaking in tongues that whole issue is supernaturally speaking a language that you yourself don't understand actual languages spoken by people that don't speak those languages, naturally, so it's a supernatural sudden ability to speak a different language.

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So God could still do something like that, you know, if I find myself in some crazy country for some reason and I can, and God gives me the ability to preach the gospel, you know, sure, all these things are still possible because God can do literally anything he wants to do.

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So, we're, we're talking specifically about the gifts that were given for the purpose of apostolic demonstrating their authority.

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Sure. So, so the time of the apostles has ended.

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And those miracles had a purpose at the time and it was to validate the fact that these are actually apostles from Christ who are even writing new scripture.

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That's huge. Like, you know, if you're going to come along and start preaching a message, and you're going to say it's from God, you,

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God needs to validate that that's true, or else it's like, well, anybody could say that. So he gave them certain power, he did the same thing with Christ himself,

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Jesus was performing miracles to validate that he was truly from God, and he was speaking

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God's truth in a way that at least it was a new revelation. Yeah.

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So, and so if you understand that purpose, and then you also believe that the canon has closed, no more scriptures being written, then you understand that there is no more, no more need for that type of apostolic validation.

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Yeah. And I would even say that probably one of the best arguments outside of scripture would be we see that happen within a lot of Pentecostal communities, apostolic movements, you see apostolic fathers,

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I'm doing air quotes, apostles, air quotes, elevating them to a status of Peter, Paul, John, whatever.

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And then also taking it and saying, well, no, I've reinterpreted scripture, essentially writing new canon, and saying this is what this verse really means.

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We just did an episode, I just did an episode on a blog response from Chris Vallotton, and it was all of that.

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It was, well, this is what I say the scripture means, and now he has all these followers that go, oh, well, Chris is saying that he's an apostolic father, he hears directly from the

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Lord. So now we see because of that crack in the door of, well, we can perform these miracles, and we're doing all these things, now we have the authority to speak as an apostle on par with scripture.

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And you're seeing that happen more and more, and then of course, years later, months later, you see them fall into some kind of horrible sin or whatever it is, and then they're no longer part of a ministry.

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But I would say that's a great argument for your film, too, even outside of just the biblical verses that would support your theological view on that.

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So you're saying, go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah, well, I mean, there's even like a much more, because that's sort of a crazy, you know, like, oh, this guy is claiming to have some way to interpret the scripture that no one's ever seen before.

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But we see it even more simply, way more often, and that's just people going around saying that they have a word from the

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Lord. Like, God spoke this to me, and now I'm going to communicate this.

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When I was engaged, I had a friend who his mother was very charismatic, and she lived in Rhode Island, I lived in Florida.

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And he invited me to come over to his house after work one day. And when I got there, he wasn't there. And his mom answered the door.

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She sat me down on the couch and said, last night, the Lord woke me up out of sleep and told me you're not to marry my now wife.

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So she brought me this message from the Lord. And I was very confused because I had no context for like, you know, how to understand these things.

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And it was a tough couple weeks because my wife was like, what's wrong with you? But when somebody says that, when somebody says the

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Lord gave me a word, and here it is, you're literally saying that the authoritative word of God is coming out of my mouth right now.

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So that makes it equal to scripture. If you're consistent, if you actually believe what you're saying, then you're saying that you are giving new revelation from God himself.

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And, I mean, that's just, if you just think about it for five seconds, that is absolute insanity.

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And it's chaos, as far as God's word is concerned. Yes, and we've seen that chaos take place within these types of churches and things like that.

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Well, I know this is a subject that we could talk about for hours. I just wanted to give the listeners a little taste of what's going to be going on in this new film.

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You want to hang around for a few more minutes and play fresh tense so the audience can get to know you a little more about you.

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What do you think? Yeah, man. All right, let's do it. All right,

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Fresh 10 with Les Lamphere. 10 fresh questions for a fresh guest. Here we go. We're going to go rapid fire. And since you're in the film industry, let's start out with favorite actor or director.

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Oh, man. Oh, geez.

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You know, Taika Waititi? Okay. His movies have been really good lately.

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I love Quentin Tarantino. Maybe I'll, I guess I'll say Tarantino. I mean, you know, there's a lot of questionable stuff.

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He's also made some movies that I really hated. I hated, I hate both of the Kill Bill movies. But Inglourious Bastards is one of the, it's just one of the greatest movies ever made.

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And then you get classics like Pulp Fiction. So I'll say Tarantino. There you go. Question number two. When playing Monopoly, what is your favorite properties to own and why?

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I watched a video on somebody doing AI. They did it like a million times or something.

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And they were showing that the last two like Park Place and I don't really play

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Monopoly that much. But I think it's the, if you're looking at it from the bottom, as the bottom row being the starting row.

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It's everything on the left and then everything on the top. Those are the ones you want.

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All right. There you go. Question number three. Favorite theologian, dead or alive? John Calvin.

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There you go. That's quick and easy. Number four. What movie can you watch just over and over and over again and not get tired of it?

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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me go back. Let me go back. Let me go back. Let me change my answer. John Calvin's great, but I forgot about Rick Warren.

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Well, he did. I mean, he's basically the new Christ, right? I mean, he's trained so many pastors and everyone relies on him.

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Yeah, he's the greatest. Okay. So Calvin, Calvin slash Warren. All right. That's official answer. Number four.

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What movie can you watch over and over and over again? Not get tired of it. Oh, brother, where art thou?

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Ooh, that's good. Number five. What three albums are you taking with you on the deserted island? Oh, geez.

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See, this is embarrassing. I like panic at the disco way more than I should.

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Man, I might take a Bieber album with me. This is very embarrassing. Okay. That's why we do these.

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Well, and then there's like my actual. So like Our Lady Peace, 90s stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I'll say. We'll go with those three. I'll say. Oh, oh, oh, that, that, that panic at the disco album with the, with.

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Oh, pretty odd. I think it's called. And then I'll do a spiritual machines by Our Lady Peace.

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And then. Oh, he's doing. Incubus.

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Morning view. You are a 90s guy. I love it. All right. Number six. What is one book besides the

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Bible that everyone should read? The Institute's Calvin.

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Love it. Number seven. What is one thing people assume about you that may not be true.

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That I'm an alcoholic. Well, we'll see on question 10 if that's true or not.

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Question number eight. What is the most difficult aspect of making a film? I think releasing it.

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Honestly. So for me, I'll just give a quick. I get, I'm very, I'm okay at raising money.

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I'm okay at getting interviews. I'm okay at editing. I can do all the work. But my problem so far historically has been that I'm so exhausted.

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Cause it's a one man show deal. So exhausted by the end of the process that I, I just put no energy into releasing it.

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And I'm just like, if you want to watch this, whatever, watch it. I don't care. That's interesting.

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I would have thought you might've said something like funding or something like that, but yeah, releasing it. Okay. That's good.

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All right. This is a yes or no question. Number nine. Was the JF case assassination, a CIA operation?

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Yes or no? Three years ago, I would have said no now almost definitely.

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Okay. And the last question on the fresh 10, you're at a friend's house. He offers you an IPA, an Island logger or a stout.

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Which one are you choosing? Stout baby. Right. That's been fresh head with less.

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Let's go. Well, as we've enjoyed having you on, why don't you throw out social media where people can find you tell us again, where we can fund the film and where they can see it when it's released.

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Give it to them. Okay. I have the reform club. If you're a reform person and you like to talk about theology and stuff, there's a

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Facebook group. I'm less lampy on Twitter. I have a website, less lampy or .com

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Calvinist movie .com. Spirit and truth movie .com. You can see all my movies on Bimeo. You can buy DVDs and stuff.

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Just, just Google it. And right now, most important part, Kickstarter. Head over to Kickstarter type in cessationist.

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Kickstarter will not help you find this movie. They hate Christian movies and this thing is so buried. You have to type in the name cessationist, even though it's a successful Kickstarter and they're going to make money from it.

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They will not give you like, they won't put this on anywhere where anybody can ever see it. So yeah, head over there, watch the trailer.

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There's a little pitch video. You can watch all that and see what we're offering and please help, help fund it so we can make it the best movie that it could possibly be.

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I love it. Less we'll make sure we link up to it too. And we push it out on all our social media guys, make sure you go support them.

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Check them out. Has a just, just a catalog of great films under his belt and they're all good.

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So I know this one's going to be great as well. And as always guys, we thank you for listening, sharing with a friend and visiting dmwpodcast .com

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Les, thank you so much for taking time with us today. We appreciate it. You have any final words before we're out of here?

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And thank you so much. This was a blast. All right, guys, as always, thanks for listening and God bless.

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