December 22, 2017 Show with Michael Gaydosh on “The Most Important Things to Know About Jesus This Christmas & Always” AND John Samson on “How a Former Heretic Was Transformed Theologically with the Help of Dr. R. C. Sproul”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnz and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this last live program before Christmas.

Friday, December 22nd 2017. And It is my honor and privilege to have two dear friends back on the program today to address two very important topics. During the first hour of the program. We have my dear friend who is not only my dear friend, but he's also my very first pastor after my rebirth and He has been a friend a brother an encourager and mentor ever since That was would have been in the mid -1980s and he is also founder of solid ground Christian books.

He during the first hour is going to discuss the most important things to know about Jesus this Christmas and always. And then the second hour a mutual friend of both Mike a dash and myself John Sampson.

Who is an author with some works published by solid ground Christian books? And he's also a pastor of Kings Church in Peoria, Arizona. He's going to be discussing how a former heretic was transformed theologically with the help of dr. RC Sproul.

But first of all, let me welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio for the first hour. Mike gay dash.

Thank you, Chris. I appreciate the opportunity to be able to come on especially be able to speak the glorious one who so many years ago during this season of incarnate. Amen and.

Before we do that Why don't you. Just for those of my listeners who may be joining iron sharpens iron radio for the first time because it seems like we're Getting new listeners joining us nearly every single day judging from the emails I'm getting.

Tell our listeners about solid ground Christian books.

Well solid ground began 17 years ago going on 18 years ago actually in Birmingham, Alabama. We had just my wife and I. Susie had just moved from New York after being in New York about 20 years of ministry.

Enrolled in Birmingham the Lord opened up a door for us to begin a new publishing man. We called it solid ground Christian books. Our desire is that people who purchase books from us and have books published by us will and We've been doing this for almost 18 years.

Have customers in all 50 states and many countries all over the world. We're shipping to New Zealand and Australia Germany and Canada and every week real delight to be at people and to people who don't know the Lord as well.

So It's a it's a great opportunity for us to and we have many many people who work with us and help us to be able to get the books that we get and We're just grateful to God for the team of people that he has raised up.

Do what we do. We have about 350 titles that are in print right now and We're working on things all the time. New things as you mentioned John Sampson Has published a couple of books through us the 12.

What about? Addressing the issue of the doctrine of election and seeking to answer the questions that people ask by 16. What about. He does an excellent job in that book of doing that and then he did a second smaller book and it's the five solas of the Reformation that he published and we did it as a Reformation 500 title and it's done.

Well, we're very grateful to the Lord for the opportunity to be able to get both of those books out and get John Sampson's name out there and Involved in helping get John's name out there as you've interviewed John many times on.

Yes.

And I'm looking forward to my next interview with him in just about 45 minutes or so. Yeah and I know that you weren't expecting this so this may be too off the cuff for you, but I'm planning on having guests for at least a little while.

That I know were in some way blessed by R .C. Sproul. Just to say a couple of words about Dr. Sproul who is now in glory since he just departed this earth and entered into eternity with Christ just last week.

And I was wondering what you could tell our listeners about what R .C. Sproul meant to you. I know that I am Forever grateful to you and your pastoring over at Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville and then later Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island and Merrick because you were a very key factor that introduced me to many of the great men of the Christian faith and more specifically the Reformed faith both those contemporary and those from history and It was through you and Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville that I first discovered as a very young Christian the Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology, which I began attending annually and one of my very first Experiences there was hearing and seeing Dr. Sproul preach in person, but if you could Tell us anything that you could say.

About Peter Falk.

Haha, I can't believe you said that.

Lumbo he.

Always reminded me of Columbo and I can't believe you said that because I've told people that same thing as well. Yeah, when Columbo's like walking away with the trench coat and he turns around. Wait a minute.

Let me ask you just one more thing.

That was one of the things that he was a disciple of John Gerstner and When you when you hear Gerstner you hear you can see the impact that Gerstner had on. Dr Sproul's life and ministry and And I the Lord real and in fact one of the earlier books that I published was Reformed Theology and Messages are in that book an excellent excellent book on the sovereignty of God and and I just appreciated very much To the doctrines of grace and he had a very gracious sense of humor.

Sure, you heard this when he was asked he was at the yes Sproul why you know that we have so much in common. Why are you not a distance ation list? I think it beat you said. Apparently everybody kind of held their breath for a moment and then kind of burst out laughing.

Like his famous line what's wrong with you people right like that. In fact, dr.

MacArthur as you may have seen and did a very humorous. Or said some very humorous things about his friendship with dr. Sproul at the memorial, so it was a quite.

Oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't get a chance to hear the whole thing. I heard part of it, but I yeah. He was yes, right. Yes. She's the one that brought the main message.

I don't know if you would say it's the main message, but he was one of those who brought a message. Okay?

Anyway, yes to see the men that just to hear the testimonies of the impact That dr. Sproul had on people's lives and he's he was a man that God greatly used and and we're thankful to God for him and for the work that he did at Ligonier the vision that he had and and Just the number of men who were raised up to come alongside him and will continue the work.

There at at Ligonier. So yeah, and of course you are tied in with my Most hilarious incident with dr. Sproul that which took place at Calvary Baptist Church in Manhattan after you Brought back into print heaven a world of love by Jonathan Edwards.

Oh, yeah, and dr. Sproul was speaking at a conference at Calvary Baptist in Manhattan and When he finished a message that he was delivering I knew that this man would probably be going to the bathroom.

So I ducked out into the hallway and dr. Sproul's walking down the hallway and I said, dr. Sproul, dr. Sproul I have a question to ask for you and he goes. Well, if you want to ask me a question, you got to ask me in here.

He goes into the men's room and as he's standing at the urinal I told him all about your booklet have in a world of love by Jonathan Edwards. And then when he was finished, of course, I gave him the booklet and saying we would love to have this is when I was working part-time for you, obviously and then I.

And I asked him we would or I said to him We would love if you would write a brief Commendation for this and then sure enough in about three or four weeks in the mail came that commendation from dr. Sproul.

That's right. And then also As his mind was beginning to slip at the end was when he mentioned you. You're like intellect. That's of course you have that prominently displayed everywhere in your website,.

I would be a fool not to. Wouldn't I of course. Most people don't know the condition. He was in mentally. No, I'm just kidding. He it was a very gracious thing for him to say about your and and God obviously has you're doing what you're doing certain deal because of me but to use the gifts God has given you and Amen, and clearly to be able to and bring out of people sometimes, you know and you've had some cases where you've had interviewers that you've been interviewing people that aren't very comfortable and and you'd ask questions and they give one-word answers and.

And it would be very awkward most of the time you've been able to turn that around and End up with a very positive experience with people especially people who are very uncomfortable in the setting. I know dr Walter Chantry is not somebody who is really comfortable with the setting that and yet I know afterwards He was very Complimentary of you and and how you were able to to bring him out by asking the right questions.

Leading questions that are not going to bring forth just yes or no answers.

And I found out by accident or by. I guess the Calvinist doesn't believe in that I found out providentially without knowing beforehand is a better way of phrasing it. When I was searching the banner of truth website my interview with Walt Chantry is on their website the audio link.

Oh, well, it's right underneath his book today's gospel authentic.

Those are the kinds of things that we should be doing encouraging one another. You know, we're not we're not in competition. Cooperatively working together. And you know I've always viewed the other publishers reformed publishers that way and and I know Reformation heritage as an example is one that the dr. Beeky in particular that has been incredibly helpful to me and in untold ways.

And Endorsements he's written sometimes introductions or prefaces or forwards and and even at times Dr. Beeky has helped me. He felt was the quality of work that he knows that I want to do.

And so at some point though, you are going to publish the life and legacy of Chris Ornson eventually, right?

Yeah, yeah, we're working on that. I'm gonna wait until you're long gone before we publish. We can't publish the the life and letters of Chris Ornson. You have to start writing letters though Chris before we can do the life and letters of Chris Ornson.

I could I can't I can't help but remember a funny thing. It was not intended to be funny. A very well-known pastor and preacher and writer. Wrote a little booklet and the way that the publisher printed the cover was quite comical to me.

Anyway, it had his name at the top and then right underneath that it said a bad record and a bad heart.

I Did have a chance this past Sunday in the providence of God to do a Sunday school class in the church that we're now becoming members of here in Florida and the Sunday school class was on the incarnation of our Lord John 1 1 to 18 and Christ during Christmas and That thought the lesson that I brought this past Sunday Is Not exclusively because I didn't focus as much on one of the aspects.

But the first thing that we need to understand who this was Jesus. He was a man not any great to understand that within that we believe in the full Humanity he wasn't it. He did not come in the form of man meaning that he was.

The scriptures are very clear that he He had a human body. He had human emotions. He got hungry. He got tired. He felt pain. Many many different conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary did not have a human father.

He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, but he was born a man and it's important because in the only way that he had to be paid it had to be paid for by a man and. So the the emphasis in the New Testament in many many places is On the humanity of holy man.

Paul as the one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus. Now, we understand that there are those and run with it and say well you see Paul was saying he was just a man and The answer to that or the statement that you would respond to that is no all this say he was just Essential.

For us my man sin came into the world and a song a heretical a very heretical song just popped into my head from Jesus Christ. Superstar if you might recall the the actress playing Mary Magdalene sang a song I don't know how to love him and one of the refrains was he's a man.

He's just a man and that that is and that's where the problem comes. It's like this it's the same thing really and people say well the Bible was written they were not just men who were carried along by the Holy Spirit and these men spoke from God and so we have the Dual nature as it were scripture is God breathed.

But it is also one word is the mediator. They were written by men and so you have this dual Nature of nature of Christ. God is the Word of God the fact that Jesus Christ is man. Thank Paul's words in Romans chapter 8.

As he begins chapter 8 and and lays out the into man's problem he begins. There's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus for the law of the spirit of life. Has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

For God has done what the law weakened by the flesh could not do. By sending his own son doesn't say he was sent in the likeness of flesh. Which is what they were saying. No, Paul says he was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh.

He was without sin holy harmless undefiled spotless Lamb of God and So we have less if he was to be sacrificed and he had to be a man in Order for him to pay the sin and that's the reason why we emphasize that first and foremost that Jesus Christ the Son of God was man.

But he was also humanity of Christ and the deity of Christ is emphasized in the shorter catechism is the Redeemer of God's elect. Right, that's a that's a one of the most important questions in the short Lord Jesus Christ the eternal so was and he being the eternal Son of God became man.

And that of course after one and as I was looking at that this past Sunday in our son, I Opened by reading a section from BB Warfield. He did a sermon on the pro and this is Herman John's gospel alone opens with him to the depths of eternal reality.

And tells us who and what that being actually was whose life history in the world is about to be depicted. There's probably no more pregnant piece of writing in the world than this prologue of John's gospel and There is no part of this pregnant prologue more pregnant.

There are just seven we can count only eight deflated here by a unique name and that a name Lagos and. Under this unique name, there are three declarations are calmly made of him. So calmly as almost to betray us into taking them as mere matters of course each of which separated separately considered is of tremendous import and the three together in combination of more tremendous import still.

When we have read these three live in the beginning was the word Wow.

Amen. In fact if you could pick up on those three things because I don't want to stop you mid-sentence I'd rather you start with the three things. Sure.

Sure.

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Everyone needs a pastor. Welcome back. This is Chris Zarnes. And if you just tuned us in on iron sharpens iron radio, our first guest today is Mike Gadoche founder of solid ground Christian books. We are in the middle of our discussion right now on the theme the most important things to know about Jesus this Christmas and always.

And then coming up at the top of the hour the second hour John Sampson will be joining us a mutual friend of both Mike Gadoche and myself. And John Sampson is pastor of Kings Church in Peoria, Arizona.

He's also an author whom Mike Gadoche has published through solid ground Christian books. And John Sampson is going to be speaking in the theme how a former heretic was transformed theologically with the help of dr RC Sproul.

And if you'd like to join us on the air with a question. Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. And before the break pastor Mike you were Mentioning the three things that were very important for us to remember about Christ.

You were about to bring them up right on the heels of quoting BB Warfield.

Yes work. I've read these three look means clear and in Trot a creature created by God. And the amazing thing is that John what he was saying. He gives us three declarations about the. And the first he begins the gospel.

With exactly the same phrase that's used in the beginning of Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth here. We read. In the beginning the word was. That is he who is here described as the word.

When you go all the way back to the beginning of time He was already there. He didn't begin then. He was already there he already was. And the the Greek imperfect tense gives us that picture all going all the way back to the beginning and then.

Second thing that said about him is even more remarkable than the first. So he's eternal. But secondly, it's eternal intercommunion with God. And I remember when I took Greek that this expression crossed the Apostle takes Phrase one and he combines them.

He says he was in the beginning. I think the eternality of this person this mysterious person who is not named yet. He's called the word in this mysterious term that she is. But then the third clause is the dramatic climax of this opening verse and One of the things I like to do it on for me.

And I'm gonna ask you the host to just read John out of you or if you have like you to read it for me. Can you do that?

Yes, I can. Hold on one second. Yeah. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

She fell into the trouble that I had to do that I was gonna have all of my students in Sunday school do that somebody to read it correctly.

Well, I'm reading it right from my sponsors version the New American Standard Bible, yeah, well, it's not it's not it's.

It's not the emphasis is the key. Oh was and. Yeah, most people put the word the emphasis on the last clause. It should be God the word. It should be the word God. Real focus of the first clause of the second clause is with God.

And the real focus of the third and. And we know that because all these are different I know I just recently got copies of the and went over and. They they wanted to rather than and one of the things that Murray emphasized in his preaching.

So you will know where he put the M right now. That's that's how we do it, but they didn't use italics. They didn't use bold. They didn't use that's not how they emphasize things the way they would emphasize.

That's not the only way but often that way. And the literal reading in the beginning. The last clause actual literal and the word was God.

In fact, I was transported back in time as you're speaking because I can clearly remember now. Either during a sermon or a Bible study you bringing this up. I can I can clearly remember it.

Yeah, that's that is so important to see that in this clause that The focus is on the who was in the beginning and in the beginning Was God and that's where I would love to use as an example one of my favorite past incarnation Celebrate Christ Jesus came into the world.

That's supposed to be sinners to save correct. Exactly. The emphasis here in the original language is In Christ Jesus and as I said, he didn't come for the right so many words. He said a ton of man did not come and I think that it's this upon this one who came he came in the beautiful thing about he became a man and so was and Continues there's in one person.

Yeah, we there's a man at the right hand of God I know and he will always be as we read which we read on in verse 14, of course the word flesh. The word was and that's the language of the catechism. It is so important for us to realize that Jesus Christ is fully God and all the fullness Paul said of the Godhead dwells.

That's a beautiful state. The 18 verses that make up the prologue really give us the summary of Everything that he is going to speak about in the rest of the gospel. It's a summary of the rest of the gospel and In the prologue, of course is 18 verses it introduces the themes that John's going to cover and Do you remember how the gospel of John closes?

Because John's gospel is unique in that it has both the prologue and an epilogue. Which is after the actual 21 is actually almost like an appendix. It's it's the epilogue that's at the grand conclusion.

Really the glorious conclusion to 20 and you remember on begins his gospel by focusing on the deity of Christ. By referring to him as God in verse 1. What are the last words that are by the? My Lord and my God, that's it my Lord and my my God.

Which that which the Jehovah's Witnesses relegate to taking the Lord's name in vain, basically.

Well, yeah, well, no, I think what what they will probably say is that My Lord is referring to Jesus and my God is the way John told the on the deity of Christ. That is my Lord for a moment. Thomas when we when we think about Thomas.

What what is the term that is usually added to his name doubting? Doubting Thomas and I've been in the I've tried to recover. The Bible never called the very last is the first time that any of the disciples Referred to Jesus as God.

It's Thomas. And Thomas is the one who is he doubted for a week? He had doubts for one week and the question is do we want to be defined? Is it appropriate to define a brother in Christ by the worst week of his life?

By the worst thing that he ever did. What what would your nickname be. You think about your own life and you think about your history and think about the you know. The things that you're most ashamed of in your past.

Would you want to be defined by the worst moment of your life? Of course always moment of your life and nobody would and is it even fair to do that? The person has lived their whole life. Thomas ended up giving his life.

To take a man's name and to have it almost jokingly be referred to anything that would you know? When when we when we label on them because of a failure in their past. We've all done that. We've all we've all been guilty defining moment of their life.

And so I think that you know looking at the way that John structured his gospel. Ending with and when I say he ended I I mean, I know those were not the last words of John chapter 20. We have Jesus response to Thomas and then we have the concluding words.

Other many other signs Jesus did that are not so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ and believing him out of life. In his name and that's really how the gospel ends. And then there's the appendix that's added in chapter 21.

Important. It's just that John clearly the body the main body of his work is concluded in chapter 20. But you know, it's beautiful as well. You know how John the only begotten God who is in the who is in the bosom of the father.

He now many translations. Technically, they're both true. He is the only begotten son and he is the only begotten God. Which is the proof is he the only and I believe that John begins in God at any time father.

He has explained him, you know, John also uses that same exact expression. One other time and can't think of it off the top of my head no one has seen God at any time he uses that exact phrase one more time and He begins of course in John 118.

No one has seen God explained or he has exegeted Unseen God the God how do we know God and what did Jesus say to him so long with you? And you've not known me if you have seen me you have what? You've seen the father right.

Amen, if you've seen me you've seen the funny time the only begotten God who's in the bosom of the father. He has explained him in 1st John 4. John does something quite remarkable quite beautiful and it's often missed.

He begins with exactly instead of then saying about Jesus if we love and I believe what John wants us he revealed is no longer on forming miracles and Teaching and if we love one another unseen God seen in the visible love.

Which God's people show for another? Amen in any way this we love one another you remember what Jesus said in John that you love one another. And love one another right? The deity of Christ who had to be both in order to be our Savior and.

So as we celebrate great opportunity for us the seen Unrepresentative of the on as we love one another. His love is perfected in us and God abides in us. Amen.

Well, I'd like you to conclude in an abbreviated sense because I know you have to leave early. But if you could conclude with a summary of why it was necessary for God to be both Or for Jesus I should say to be both God and man fully God and fully man.

Why did could he not just declare? his elect righteous from the right hand of the Father in heaven without any need of Humiliating himself by becoming incarnate and suffering on the cross and so on why did he need to be a man?

Well the fact is Because in it and to see who was the blood must pay. We not only need to have our sins forgiven But we need to have and that's why Christ being holy harmless. He had to be a man and So he is able to forgive us our sin.

He is able to give us his one of the bumpers he put the emphasis on Minimizes the given right. But the reality is we're not just we are also given the righteousness of Christ. We know so he's taken out the heart of he has also given us his spirit Predestined.

The great exchange as they call it. Exactly. Well, I you know that your website is solid-ground-books .com. Solid-ground-books .com did you also want to offer?

Right now I'm in the midst of trying to get my website back and my web guy has said you've been trying to be twice. A year at the most for a very long. I've encouraged people that if Two zero five five eight seven four four eight zero.

And I can take. Well, I truly thank God.

That providentially the first Bible-believing Protestant Church that I became a member of was the one where you were serving as an under shepherd that the Lord used you to nurture me in the faith and to not only that but to introduce to me so many great giants of Christian history and also Contemporary giants like dr. Sproul who entered into eternity last week, and I thank you.

I can never thank you enough For all of that and for your friendship most of all brother. Well, thank you Chris.

I'll look forward to seeing you at g3 in just about a month. That's right, man. Make sure you're letting your people know about that. And I'll be I'll be there with my books only on Wednesday night at the At the debate.

James White will be debating again this year on Wednesday evening, and I will be there with books. I should have all of his books there and I'll only be there to be leaving first where dr. Beeky will be the featured speaker in Mississippi in Laurel, Mississippi.

That Thursday great. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing you on The 17th brother and I look forward to many more opportunities to interview you. God bless. Thank you Chris. I love you, brother. Love you, too, and I'll see you later.

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