Kevin Conover Educate for Life!

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Okay, let's pray. Lord, we just want to thank you for this evening. Thank you for the opportunity to fellowship and to spend time looking at your word.

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And thank you, God, that you are the God of both science and your word.

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And thank you, Lord, for what you've given us so that we can have a light for our feet and a lamp into our path,

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God. We love you. We ask your blessing on our evening and that you would just, it would be a blessing to those that are here,

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God. Thank you for this opportunity. We love you in Jesus' name. Amen. Okay, so I'll tell you, this is what motivates me and probably a lot of you also.

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This is a stat from George Barna in 2017. Feel free to ask questions in the chat box if you like also or just interrupt me.

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But George Barna's 2017 survey revealed that statistically a very small amount of younger people have a biblical worldview, only 4 % of 18 to 30 year olds and 7 % of 30 to 49 year olds.

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He says, we are in a crisis. If the church does not wake up and solve it, biblical Christianity in the United States is in jeopardy.

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And I think we can see that all around us. And so that's what's motivated me for a long time. I've been teaching apologetics for 12 years to high school students.

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I'm currently a 12th grade Bible teacher at Christian High and also the vice principal at Christian High. And so I've had a wonderful opportunities to be able to disciple and help kids see the truth for God's word.

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And I really feel blessed to have that opportunity. My ministry is called educateforlife .org.

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And essentially I had a variety, a bunch of homeschool parents asked me to put my curriculum online that I teach, that I've been teaching.

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And so I turned my curriculum into an online video curriculum that has quizzes and tests and memory verses and goes through all the different questions that young people have and people in general have about God and the

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Bible. And it's all streaming. So you can check it out if you like it. The class that I'm teaching today is actually class 105 on genetic entropy.

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This is my wife and I here. The photographer caught me unprepared for the photo there, but my wife likes the photo because she looks good in it.

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So that's us. She's been married, we've been married for 20 years now, and she's a huge blessing.

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I have three little kids. These are my two youngest girls. This is a little older picture. They're a little bit older than this now, but we got to go on a limo ride with Chick -fil -A for their daddy daughter date night.

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That was a lot of fun. And there's my son in the radio studio. I have a radio program every week and I interview people from scientists all over the place, creation scientists.

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Some of my interesting shows I recently had was an interview with, I've interviewed two toxicologists on COVID -19, which is very interesting and the existence of viruses.

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But I've interviewed lots of people like David Barton, Richard Weikart, tying evolution and racism together and Darwinism and the

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Nazi movement together. Michael Array, a former Jehovah's Witness who ultimately met

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Christ and talks about what it was like living as Jehovah's Witness. I interviewed people on things like social media and video game addiction.

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Julie Doan, her husband was addicted to video games, if you can believe it. And they almost divorced over it.

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A pretty crazy scenario situation. And she ended up getting saved.

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He ended up getting saved. And now they have a ministry reaching out to people who are dealing with that sort of a thing.

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Interviewed Daniel Messiah, former Muslim from Egypt. He had a supernatural experience where he actually heard

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God's voice in his room and ended up becoming a Christian. Incredible testimony. Victor Marks, incredible testimony also.

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And also the world record for the fastest gun disarm. He's a pretty awesome guy.

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High risk missionary. He's rescued many kids away from ISIS in Iraq and also trains military around the world.

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I actually have a video of the gun disarm. If you want to check it out, it's actually on my website. It's pretty incredible how quickly he can take, under a quarter second, he can take a gun out of your hand and have it pointed back at you.

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What an awesome guy. One of my verses that I love, this verse, it's very encouraging to me.

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Matthew chapter nine, it says, the harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest therefore to send out workers into his harvest field.

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What I really like about this scripture is that a lot of times we can get kind of doom and gloom oriented, where we're discouraged about what we see happening in the world.

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And some Christians I've talked to can get kind of pessimistic and throw up their hands and go, oh, the world's going to hell in a handbasket, and I just can't wait to get out of here.

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And I totally understand that sentiment. But at the same time, the scriptures are full of hope.

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And this specifically, it doesn't say that nobody wants to get saved. It actually says the harvest is plentiful, but it places the problem on the amount of workers who are out harvesting.

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And so it's an interesting scripture that Jesus here is telling us. The problem isn't that nobody wants to get saved.

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The problem is there aren't enough people reaching out. And so our prayer is that God would send people out.

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Over in France, a while ago, there was a man who rescued a baby off of a five -story building.

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You can see the baby in this picture at the top. This is a video you can see online. And that guy in the white shirt there is scaling the building.

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He scaled that building in about 30 seconds. There's a guy in a red circle down at the bottom. In the video, this guy is trying to climb up, but he can't.

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And then if you look closely, I noticed this in the picture, there's a guy on the same floor as the baby that's hanging from the balcony, but he's watching.

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He's not doing anything. He could literally run down the hall and bang on the door. The father, by the way, was playing video games when the baby wandered out here.

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He could bang on the door and alert the father to save the baby, but he's just watching what's happening.

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And so we don't want to be the guy that is down at the bottom who wants to do something, but isn't equipped to do it.

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We don't want to be the guy in the window that's equipped, but doesn't have the passion of the heart to do it.

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We want to be the guy in the center that is both equipped and passionate. He did end up saving the baby, and he was granted citizenship in France.

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He was an immigrant, and he was granted citizenship for his bravery in doing that.

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Pretty amazing. And apologetics is critically important in our day and age today.

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It's critical. A lot of people used to have this saying that apologetics was divisive, or you're arguing, and you're not loving people.

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You're just trying to win an argument. This couldn't be further from the truth. The Bible asks us to be right, to love

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God with our heart, mind, and soul. And so we're supposed to love God with our mind and with our heart. If you love people, but you don't have the intellect behind it, or you don't have the persuasive arguments, you end up being kind of a loving, dumb person.

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But if you have the arguments, but you don't have the love, then you're what is known as a jerk for Jesus.

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And nobody wants to be a jerk for Jesus. So what we really want is we want that middle ground where we're both loving people, and we're approaching them with truth.

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And that's really, really important. And 1 Timothy 4, 16, I think speaks to that. It says, watch your life and doctrine closely.

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Your life, the way you live lovingly, and your doctrine closely.

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Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. And I cannot tell you how many of my students have told me,

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Mr. Conover, I would not be a Christian today, except for in your class, I learned the evidence for why

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Christianity is true. And the fact of the matter is, is that our position on issues matters.

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Our position on apologetic issues matters. You know, there's this whole, the young earth versus old earth.

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One of those is right. And one of those is wrong. You know, I'm a, I'm a recent creation advocate.

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I believe it's very clear hermeneutically in the Bible that that's what is taught. I believe the science supports it. But regardless of where you stand on the issue, somebody's right, and somebody's wrong.

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And the fact of the matter is, is on apologetic issues, they matter. They don't necessarily, it's not as if, you know, whether you believe in a recent creation or an old earth doesn't save you, it doesn't affect your personal salvation, but it still matters because it does impact the way people perceive and receive what you have to say about the word of God.

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And so we want to be workmen that do not have to be ashamed, who rightly divide the word of God.

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And so that's encouraging to me. It's worthwhile to take the time to search the scriptures and to know the truth.

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It's worthwhile. This is me when I was in junior high and eighth grader. A lot of kids have questions starting in eighth grade.

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That's where the questions start to come up. And I teach an entire series on creation and evolution.

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It's 10 classes, each about an hour to an hour and a half long on creation and evolution. And then of course, how do we know our religion is the right one?

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I teach 10 classes covering atheism, Buddhism, Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, so that kids can understand why these religions are not true and the huge glaring problems there are with them.

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I cover how we know the Bible is God's word. Why is there suffering evil in hell?

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Why is there slavery in the Old Testament? Why does it look like God wiped out entire nations and the accusations against God of genocide?

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We respond to those issues. There's very good answers to those questions. We talk about all those different issues.

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And then lastly, we deal with the cultural issues. So I talk about issues like homosexuality. I talk about the transgender issues.

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We talk about the significance of one man, one woman, biblical marriage. We talk about God and government and how those intersect.

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And so it's meant to be a systematic way to do that. If you like what you hear tonight, you can check it out.

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It's on my website. It's a monthly subscription. It's at join .educateforlife .org. Like I said, tonight we're going to cover genetic mutations and intelligent design.

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I'm not going to get into the intelligent design aspect. I'm going to focus on genetic mutations. Most of what I'm covering tonight is actually from Dr.

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John Sanford's book on genetic entropy. I'm a part of Logos Research Associates as an ambassador for them.

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And I love that organization. And Dr. John Sanford, if you don't know who he is, he was a

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Cornell University professor for around 30 years. And numerous, he was an expert in genetics, plant genetics specifically, was not a

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Christian, was an atheist and evolutionist, and ended up coming to know the Lord because specifically one of the strongest points was genetics.

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It actually pointed him towards the truth of God's word. And so obviously you guys know this.

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There are two choices for the in all living things. They're either naturally caused by chance through evolutionary process, or they're intelligently designed on purpose created by God.

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And I just want to, I love talking about this. I actually presented this to a bunch of atheists.

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They invited me to share with about 30 atheists at a library, and it went over very well.

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And they actually gave me four out of five stars on the presentation. And they asked if I would become an atheist so I could present for them.

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And I said, no, it's not going to happen. But this is the general definition of evolution is the common descent of all life on earth from a single ancestor by undirected mutation in natural selection.

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I like to, in this talk, I talk about undirected mutation because a lot of people don't know what that means. What is an undirected mutation?

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And I break it down in just layman's terms so people can understand it. So these are examples of undirected mutations.

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This guy here, he has wings. If you've ever, if anybody's a Marvel fan, you know about Marvel capitalized on the theory of evolution by making all their superheroes, the way they got their powers is by evolving.

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It's pretty funny. And so what I do is I look at this and I go, okay, so let's see if there's any credence to this, right?

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The Hulk, he actually has a mutation where instead of, you know, when you and I get angry, we might get red in the face, sweat a little bit more, heartbeat goes up.

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But for him, he turns green, gets super strong. That's actually a gamma mutation according to the

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Marvel universe superheroes. This girl can control lightning and wind. Wolverine has a healing factor.

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These are all, quote, mutants. And they're using, in the storyline, they're using evolution to explain how these people got their powers.

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Spider -Man was bit by a radioactive spider and it changes his chromosomes.

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They actually show this in the movie. They show a clip of this. They show his chromosomes changing.

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So what is an undirected mutation? This is the scientific definition, a change in the genetic material resulting in new or rearranged hereditary determinants.

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Mutations are rare, random events in which the base sequence of the nucleic acid molecule is changed.

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Now, let me put that to you in basic language. An undirected mutation is a mistake in the programming code of a living organism.

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That's all it is. Okay. So normally at this point, I show a clip from Spider -Man showing that the change take place where they do it in the but I'm going to skip it.

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I'm sorry. Just for the sake of time, you can check it out on my website. It's pretty funny.

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Pretty funny scene where he gets bit by the spider and then they show the chromosomes changing. So I take your picture, but maybe next time.

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So the big question we have to ask ourselves is, yes, go ahead. Are you in a hurry?

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Do you have a time constraint? Oh, you really want to see the Spider -Man clip? How long is it?

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Okay. Okay. We'll go back and see the Spider -Man clip just because Terry wants to see it here.

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Okay. No, I'm Robin. Oh, Robin wants to see it. Okay. Sorry. Okay. I don't want to disappoint

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Robin. So we'll go back and watch the clip. Thank you. Awesome. Okay.

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Here we go. Hey, can

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I take your picture? I need one with a student in it. Sure. Yeah. Great.

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Where do you want me? Over here? Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Don't make me look ugly.

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That's impossible. Ah, perfect.

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Is that good? Great. That's great.

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Anybody scared of spiders? You might want to close your eyes. MJ, let's go.

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Wait. Thanks. He gets bit by the spider.

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Watch the background here. Um, you know, this is foreshadowing here in the background.

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Parker, let's do it. There it is. You see it? Now, now they're going to show this again.

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There's the chromosomes changing. Okay. It says new species. Okay.

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Now you're going to see it happen. They're going to show it again. Just in time for dinner. Hey, how you doing, buddy?

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How was the field trip? I don't feel well. I'm going to go to sleep. Well, you want to have a bite? No, thanks.

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Had a bite. Well, did you get some pictures, Peter? Uh, I got a crash.

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Everything's fine. What's that all about? Okay.

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Now what you're going to see here right now, they're going to show it. Okay. He wakes up and all of a sudden his genetics are changed and what's happened?

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And now he doesn't need his glasses anymore. All of a sudden, he's strong. And a little bit later, right, he can shoot webs out of his hands.

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He's got super strength and all this stuff. Now, of course, interestingly, the movie is obviously fictional.

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But what's really interesting about it is that this is what evolution teaches.

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Evolution teaches something that we put into movies as something that we think is awesome. But it actually teaches that we went from a single -celled organism all the way up to human beings, right?

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We hit jellyfish along the way, and then we ended up at these guys.

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So is this actually reasonable? Science says it is.

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I'm sorry, not science, but evolution says it is. Dr. John Sanford, here is a picture of him. This is his book,

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Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome. I highly recommend the book. It's written in easy -to -understand terms.

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He's written several very, very good books, well worth reading. And he's very, very well -credentialed.

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And he's the head of Logos Research Associates. So here's what he says in the book.

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He says, I know how to build a wagon, but I want to build a space shuttle. So I go to an evolutionist, and I ask him how to make an instruction manual to build a space shuttle.

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He says, that's easy. Just throw in letters randomly, read the new instructions, build wagons off the new instructions, get rid of the bad wagons, and eventually, after a real long time of repeating this process, you'll have a space shuttle.

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So essentially, evolution says that if you throw random letters into the human genome, which is 3 billion letters, right?

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Every one of us has 3 billion letters in every cell in our body, which is the instruction code on how to build a body.

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And evolution says, just throw letters randomly into that code, and over millions and millions and billions of years, eventually, you'll go from a single -celled organism up to a human being, okay?

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Now, here is my wagon instructions. I'm just using this so it makes it easier for you to understand this.

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Literally, the human genome is letters telling your body how to build itself.

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Put the eyes here, put the ears here, put the arms here, right? It's putting everything together.

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So if I have a book on how to build a wagon, and I randomly throw in letters, okay?

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Make sure you have all parts. Okay, now, because the body has a safety mechanism, right?

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You have more than one set in order to... It might say, oh, that's not, make sure you have all parts. It's make sure you have all parts.

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But attach axles to dead wagon. If I keep throwing in undirected mutations, because that's what evolution says is the driving factor for evolution, along with natural selection, right?

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This is what starts happening. Make sure you have all pates. Attack axles to dead wagon. Attack wheels to axles.

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Attack whales to axles. Cake stray, you have all pates. Attack whales, low axles.

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Attach hamble to front axle. Or attack whales, low axles. Who attach hamble to front axle?

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Cake stray, you have all pates. Attach axles to dead wagon. Attack whales, low axles. Who attach hamble to front axle?

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Okay, you can see what's happening here. The instructions aren't improving. They're getting harder and harder to read.

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And that's the reality of undirected mutations. They do not actually make the instruction code better.

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They actually make the instruction code worse. And so in Marvel Comics, what they're telling you is that when you throw those undirected mutations into the code, it says build wings where the shoulder blades are.

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So you're adding to it. And the truth of the matter is that random mutations can't add useful information to the

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DNA. Natural selection only selects useful changes. Therefore, what's happening is they're actually making the instruction manual to build a human worse, not better.

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Now this is significant because what this means is over time, we're gonna see a greater and greater and greater amount of problems with babies as they're born because we are getting more and more mutations.

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So I know how to build a cell, but I wanna build a human. So I go to an evolutionist and I ask him how to make an instruction manual to build a human.

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He says, that's easy. Just throw in random mutations in the DNA of the cell, read the new instructions, build cells off the new instructions, get rid of the bad cells, and eventually after a real long time of repeating this process, you'll have a human.

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Now this is ridiculous, okay? There are over 10 trillion cells in the human body. You're telling me that through random mutations, we went from a single celled organism to a human with over 10 trillion organized cells with the circulatory system, the muscular system, with the nervous system, with the rods and cones in the eyes, with everything that we have.

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You're telling me that through randomly throwing in letters, the instruction manual changed that much.

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Now, literally, right? You are probably familiar with DNA structure. It's cytosine, thymine, adenine, and guanine, okay?

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Now it's more complex than even that, but these letters, C, T, G, A, they represent the chemical makeup of the

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DNA. And when I say throw in random mutations, what I'm saying is take a C out in one place and put a

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T instead, okay? Take an A out in one place and put in a G.

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That's what evolutionists mean by random mutations. They're called point mutations. Remember, you have 3 billion letters in your code and they wanna randomly throw in letters to improve whatever the organism is, whether it's plants or animals or whatever.

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Now, ICR published this and it's a great article.

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You can look it up. Mutations, the raw material for evolution. Equivocally beneficial mutations which still have a downside are extremely rare, about one in 10 ,000.

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Unequivocally beneficial mutations are nonexistent in nature. Now, let me explain to you the difference between an equivocally beneficial mutation and a unequivocally beneficial mutation, okay?

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This is brought up all the time in science classes wherever. They'll say that sickle cell is a good example of evolution in action.

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What happens in sickle cell is some of the cells are shaped like a sickle. Now, the problem with sickle cell is that the sickled cells will clog the arteries and cause death.

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But the good thing about the sickle cell is it's harder for malaria to attach itself to the red blood cell that is shaped like a sickle.

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So if you have sickle cell, you're less likely to get malaria, but you're more likely to die from a sickle cell disease, right?

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And so that would be what we would call quote unequivocally beneficial mutation.

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Now, we don't even know if it's a beneficial mutation actually, because it could be what we would call loss of information, not a gain of information.

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But regardless, this is used all the time as an equivocally beneficial mutation. It would be a mutation that gives a benefit, but also provides a downside.

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I'll give you another example from my car. I used to have a Toyota 4Runner, and a cat would jump on the car at night, the alarm would go off, and the alarm would go all night.

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When I'd come outside, the car would be dead. The battery would be dead. It drove me crazy. And so I was like,

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I gotta fix this. So what I did was I tore out the alarm, right? I got an equivocally beneficial mutation.

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So now my car is not gonna be dead in the morning. The battery's not gonna be dead, but it's easier for my car to be robbed.

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That would be an equivocally beneficial mutation. So equivocally beneficial mutations, which give an upside are rare, one in 10 ,000.

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Unequivocally beneficial mutations are nonexistent. According to some geneticists, there may be one in a million.

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And that means a mutation that has no downside. Okay, so what about the mutation rate?

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Here's what we now know, according to the research that's been done by population geneticists. The human mutation rate is at least 100 nucleotide substitutions per person per generation.

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It's very likely it's as high as 300 mutations per generation.

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Now, what does that mean? Here's what it means. It means your parents had less mutations in their body than you do.

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And your children will have more in their body than you do. And their children will have more.

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What it means is that we are gaining more and more mutations, point mutations over time, which means the human genome is getting harder and harder to read over time.

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Now, my daughter has cystic fibrosis. This is my daughter, Savannah. And cystic fibrosis is caused by a point mutation, actually three point mutations.

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It's a change of three nucleotides in a 3 billion part genome. Now, as in 1983, the average age for a child with cystic fibrosis was only to about two years old.

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That was the average age. Because it prevents the body from being able to move fluids in and out of the cell properly.

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It has a door in the cell that doesn't open and close properly. And so it's a problem.

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Now, today, thank God, because of the minds that God has given us to search out his creation and study his creation, they have actually been able to make a medicine just about a year or two ago that actually looks for the first time like it's solving the fundamental problem of cystic fibrosis, which means it's very likely that kids with CF are gonna live a full life in spite of the increase in genetic mutations that are taking place.

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So what does this mean? Here's what it means. If cystic fibrosis is caused by three point mutations, undirected mutations, and it's fatal, and the lowest estimate of the genetic difference between a chimp -like ancestor and us is 50 million nucleotide changes, how in the world are you gonna get from the chimp -like ancestor to a human without first killing the organism?

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You're not going to. It's literally impossible. You cannot get, because remember, there's no trial and error process for something that is dead, right?

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If you don't get it right the first time, and if you don't get it right 50 million times in a row, that organism is gonna die.

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And so this is the problem with evolution. When we look at genetics, genetics tells us there is no way evolution can happen.

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That's why John Sanford left evolution and became a Christian. But what's interesting is he didn't just become a

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Christian. He became a recent creation advocate because of genetics.

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And so let's take a look at this. I'm gonna touch on this, what I'm showing you on the screen right here, but I'm not gonna spend a whole lot of time on it.

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This is from the book. For every one slightly beneficial mutation, you have anywhere from 10 ,000 to a million slightly detrimental mutations.

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So the reason Marvel Comics doesn't work, the reason you can't evolve a healing factor, and the reason evolution doesn't work is because every time you get a benefit, you get 10 ,000 things that are harmful or hurting you.

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So every little benefit, 10 ,000 things that hurt you. So you're gonna kill the organism way before you ever get a chance to advance and to provide something that natural selection would select and choose to have you keep going.

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Random mutations not only fail to give us upward evolution, science actually proves they're actually slowly degrading the human genome.

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This is what science is showing us. And interestingly enough, this is exactly what the

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Bible says. Okay? So this is a population geneticist.

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I don't know if he's a Christian or not. I've never heard that he is. His name is Dr. Crow. And he said, it seems clear that for the past few centuries, harmful mutations have been accumulating.

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The decrease in viability from mutation accumulation is one to 2 % per generation. Meaning we are losing our viability as humans, as organisms, one to 2 % per generation.

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He says, I do regard mutation accumulation as a problem. It is something like the population bomb, but with a much longer fuse.

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Basically he's saying, we can only survive these undirected mutations, these bad mutations for so long before we're just not gonna be able to reproduce anymore without having major health problems in future generations.

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These are two more population geneticists. They say the same thing. Deleterious mutation rates appear to be so high in humans and our close relatives that it is doubtful that such species could survive.

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Again, we're not gonna survive. Our mutation rate is too high. We are going to pass away.

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And then this guy Kondrashov, also a very famous population geneticists. Contamination of the genome by very slightly deleterious mutations.

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Why have we not died 100 times over? Now this is a stunning quote, a stunning question that he has posed.

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Why would he ask, why haven't we died 100 times over? Does anybody know why?

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You've got to kind of put your thinking cap on this. Anybody have a guess as to why he would ask the question? He's not a

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Christian. He's not a Bible believer. Why would he ask this question? Why have we not died 100 times over?

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Anybody know? Any thoughts?

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Okay, here's the answer. This is stunning to me. If you believe in evolution, you believe that we have existed as humans for around 200 ,000 years, okay?

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Most evolutionists believe that the chimp -like ancestor diverged towards a hominid species about 2 million years ago.

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But they believe that humans have existed for 200 ,000 years. Kondrashov is approaching this from the paradigm of humans having existed for 200 ,000 years.

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And what he's saying is at the current mutation rate, there is no way we could have survived this long based on how rapidly mutations are accumulating.

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Why have we not died 100 times over? What he's saying is we shouldn't exist anymore if evolution is true.

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This is incredible. But what about if the Bible is true? Check this out. This is incredible.

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One of the reasons Dr. Sanford became a Christian is because of this. He looked at the perfect human and then he calculated the rate of mutation and postulated how long it would take for us to get to where we are today because they can get a pretty good estimate of how many mutations we have today.

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Then he worked his way backwards in time and guess what it ended up being? Right about 6 ,000 years, which is exactly what the

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Bible teaches. This is mind -blowing. He took the perfect human, calculated the rate of mutation and it goes just about 6 ,000 years into the past.

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It matches the age spans that we see in the Bible perfectly, actually to a 90 % correlation coefficient.

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It's incredible. Now here's what's crazy too. I had this own experience myself because when we found out my daughter had cystic fibrosis,

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I had to go and see a geneticist. My wife and I went and see a geneticist. We sat down with the geneticist and we began talking and she began talking to us about cystic fibrosis.

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And she said, everybody has mutations in their bodies. And she goes, you have mutations, we have mutations.

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And she's talking about mutations. And she says to me, she says, essentially she said, this is how evolution works.

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And I said to her, I said, I said, do you know of any good mutations?

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That's what I asked her. And she sat there for a minute and thought for a while. Now this is a geneticist, keep in mind, right?

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And she said, no, I can't think of any. And she goes, but they must be there, right?

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I mean, that's how evolution works. And I said, well, that's why I don't believe in evolution.

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And she kind of changed the subject on me because you apparently didn't want to talk about it. But then

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I asked another question. I said, hey, tell me this, I'm really curious. I said, if you have had a person who had no mutations, would they be really healthy or would they be really unhealthy?

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What do you think she said? Any thoughts, shout it out.

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What do you think she said? Yes, they would be really healthy or no, they would be really unhealthy. Really healthy. Healthy.

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That's right. That's exactly what she said. And she goes, you know, I've never had anybody ask me that question before.

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And you know what? That's so interesting about that, isn't that? Because the Bible teaches that God created everything perfectly.

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Adam and Eve were perfect. They had no genetic defects and that everything has been getting progressively worse from there forward.

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But evolution teaches the exact opposite. Everything started off less complex, less developed and has been getting progressively better.

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They teach two completely different things, but genetics shows us that the Bible is accurate and evolution is not.

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And this is hard science. This is not hypothetical, theoretical. These are not just theories.

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These are facts. And so this is very, very strong evidence that the

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Bible is true. Not only that creation is true, but that recent creation is true and that the timeframes in the

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Bible are accurate. If you look at this longevity chart, you can see

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Adam lived to 930 years. And then you can see Seth lived to 912, then

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Enos to 905. These are all in the Bible and the genealogies in the Bible. Canaan, 910.

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And you see the age is dropping, 895. And then it keeps going down. You get to Noah, he's down to 950.

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Then Shem, 600. Our facts add, 438. You get all the way down to Joseph, it's 110 years.

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This right here matches John Sanford's research on genetic mutations and the viability of human beings.

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And so when he saw this, he said, there's no way that the biblical authors could have fabricated this data.

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It matches what we know of population genetics too closely for them to have made it up. And so this is a big part of the reason he actually became a

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Christian and became a recent creation advocate, taking the Bible for what it says.

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And so here's his plot. Go ahead. One of the things that also shows with that graph is that at the flood, something drastic changed because everybody was living for 900 years up to the flood.

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And then at the flood, something changed. Yes, that's an interesting point.

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Now, what are your thoughts about what changed? Are you talking about the environment?

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Could be the environment. Could be something drastic caused the flood.

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Yeah. Something that changed either our magnetic fields or the ability for cosmic rays to get through and disrupt our structures.

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Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's no doubt there was a radical change in the environment and it was probably much more difficult to live.

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And people began eating meat after the flood too. And that's when God actually says for the first time that it's okay to eat animals.

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So we don't know what happened there either. So very interesting thing there. But the point is, is obviously this data matches what we read in the

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Bible, the historical record of the text. So very, very cool. So, you know, it's interesting.

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I had an atheist in my class when I was teaching this class to a bunch of atheists.

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One of the atheists raised his hand and said, well, this just shows that your God isn't very good.

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Why would he create creatures that he knew were gonna die? And, you know,

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I thought it was very interesting because he was completely unaware of what the Bible teaches about why things have started dying.

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And so I had to explain that to him, right? Genesis 2 .17, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for when you eat from it, you will certainly die.

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And that process began all the way back in the garden. But it's interesting how God has, that has been progressive, right?

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And even in scriptures, Jesus talks about that the signs of the times are like birth pains.

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It's a slow progression from, you know, when my wife, we had our first child,

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I understand, I understood that much better what Jesus was talking about, birth pains, because the contractions start out far apart and they slowly get more severe and they slowly get closer together.

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And in the same way, God is warning us, right? Hey, time is winding down.

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We can see it in the events happening all around us. Things are winding down. Be prepared and look for the signs of the times.

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And it's interesting to me that this correlates so well. The genetics correlates with what we read in the scriptures about the signs that we should be keeping our eyes open for.

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Romans 8, 21 through 22, that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

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We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

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Romans 5, 12, therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin. And in this way, death came to all people because all sinned.

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Romans 5, 18, consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

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For justice through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners. So also through the obedience of the one man, the many will be made righteous.

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I had a student one time say to me, it doesn't seem fair that I've got to face the consequences for what

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Adam did. And I think a lot of people, some people feel that way. You know, it doesn't seem fair that he did that.

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He messed it up for all of us. But interestingly enough, Jesus makes it right for all of us, right?

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And so God has provided that Christ pays the penalty for our sins.

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We don't have to be perfect because he's perfect. And so we find the only way to avoid genetic entropy is through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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And so I just think that's a very powerful message that we have from what we see in science and correlates with scriptures.

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Any questions at this point? Any thoughts, any questions anybody would like to share? So -

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What was the book you showed? The book I showed? Yeah, I couldn't take a picture fast enough.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Let me go back to that. It is called

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Genetic Entropy, but I wanna make sure I get the title right. I'm way back here.

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I think it's pretty far back. Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome. I think he has a new cover on it now.

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The alien spaceship on the book there is a, he contrasts the difference between a wagon and a spaceship that could travel through space.

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It's pretty cool. Any other questions? I have a question,

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Kevin. Mm -hmm. Remind me to when you're done, Terry. So if it hadn't been for the curse, would there be no genetic entropy or what signs would there be of somebody growing old?

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Oh, yeah, yeah. And there's, because there's the difference between inherited genetic entropy and then personal genetic entropy, like how you change as you get older.

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So if it hadn't been for the curse, how much personal genetic entropy would each person have? Would our hair turn gray?

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Would our teeth fall out? Like, I mean. Any answer I give to this would be purely hypothetical because,

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I mean, it's fun to think about. I've always thought about, you know, did, I guess

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Adam and Eve, right, didn't have belly buttons because they weren't born like we all are, so there was no need for an umbilical cord.

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Or I've thought of another one that is kind of slightly gross. But, you know, when

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Adam and Eve, I wonder if they actually had to use the bathroom because when they ate, they probably ate all the food and their bodies used it perfectly.

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So they didn't have to use the bathroom, I thought. That's interesting. I wondered that same thing.

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Yeah, you have too, okay. See, I'm not the only one. And the reason I was thinking about this is because I watched the dialogue this summer between Dr.

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Lyle and Hugh Ross. Oh, awesome. And so it came up where Hugh Ross was talking about, you know, would

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Adam have been created with the appearance of age? And one of the things that he specifically mentioned, and I think he's mentioned this in the past too, is, well, was

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Adam created with liver spots? Well, liver spots would be something that I think would be part of, because of the curse, it would be something that our body, something didn't process correctly, right?

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That's what I was thinking. I tend to lean in that direction too. I mean, I don't think we would experience genetic entropy based on what

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I'm talking here, where, because the problem with genetic entropy is that you're actually, it's a bad thing.

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It's not a good thing. So I would imagine that when their children were born and they were born perfectly because they wouldn't have any sin, then their genetic code should be perfect, which means that every letter is in exactly the right place that God intended.

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So I don't think we would experience that. But if you wanna get into the hypothetical of, okay, so would we age?

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I don't think age is a child aging up as a result of the curse.

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So I would say, and this is so hypothetical, so don't, I would say we would get to a certain age and we would stop growing older.

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I don't think we would decay because the Bible calls death the final enemy.

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The Bible says that Christ conquers death. So death is the ultimate separation.

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So generally speaking, if you're moving towards death in that sense, I would probably say we wouldn't experience that with the curse or maybe it would be a limited amount of aging and we'd stop.

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That's just my guess. That's a funny question though. Interesting to think about. Well, yeah,

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I've been wondering about that. Yeah, yeah. I wish I could give you a more solid answer. We'll have to wait till we get to heaven. Your daughter in the picture, what is her name?

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Savannah, yep. Savannah, is she the artist? She's the artist, yep, yep. She's 10 and she's very talented with art.

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She has a really interesting mind. She can look at things spatially and build them.

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When she was very young, maybe six, seven years old, she built her, you know those little umbrellas that they put in drinks that you can move up and down and they open and close?

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She got one of those and she built her own out of paper and it worked. It was a working umbrella when she was like six or seven.

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She can do a lot of unusual things in that way. So I don't know, maybe she'll be an engineer or something.

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I'm not sure. That's awesome. I was asking the

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CF, one thing about the geneticists, they are very evolutionary driven, which is annoying to me.

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But my aunt actually had 12 children and two of them passed away from a

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CF before age two. But Timmy lived to his thirties and he had a, and this was in the nineties, he had a double lung transplant.

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They used to do heart lung only and he had the double lung. And it was really good, but then he got hit by a car and was killed.

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And then another friend of mine had it and she lived until her thirties as well. So my whole purpose of saying this is that medication that you're talking about, what is the name of it?

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I'll email you on Facebook to get the name of it. I hadn't heard that. It's brand new. It just came out about a year or two years ago.

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And my daughter can't take it yet because you're not allowed to take it before 12, but it's the first medication that actually solves the underlying problem of cystic fibrosis.

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So the cell in cystic fibrosis, there's a door that does not allow sodium chloride ions to get through the cell door.

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And some doors don't exist. Some doors just don't open and some doors open at the wrong time.

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So there's different severities of cystic fibrosis. And basically what this new medication does is it actually makes the door work properly.

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The door opens. Normally you just have to deal with trying to take preventative maintenance through wearing a vest, breathing treatments, taking enzymes, lots of different medications.

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But this one actually solves the underlying problem. And it's almost as if you don't have cystic fibrosis.

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It's an incredible breakthrough. I work for a huge medical company and I'm always fascinated by that.

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And since I know that I know three people that had CF, it'd been kind of cool if we had that back in the day, but it also bothers the digestive system as well.

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And it does all kinds of things. But thank you. I will message you on Facebook to find out what the name of it is. The medication actually solve, because it's solving the underlying issue, it actually deals with the digestive issues also.

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Really? Wow. That's what's crazy about it. It's amazing. So I'm incredibly grateful.

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But yeah, I'll get you that information later. Any other questions or thoughts?

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Anybody like to share any questions or thoughts? No? Okay.

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Well, it's been a big blessing for me to be able to be here with you. And I hope you enjoyed it. This lesson is actually on my website.

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It's one of the, it's 105. This is one lesson out of 40 lessons on different apologetic topics.

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And I teach them all the same way. It's meant to be engaging and interesting. And for the average person, sometimes stuff can come across too technical and it makes it harder to digest.

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But hopefully this is helpful to you. And if you wouldn't mind passing the information onto those who might find it useful, that'd be a big blessing.

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Lots of homeschool families use it. And home fellowships use it. And it's meant to be very user -friendly in that regard.

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So I hope that's a blessing to you. No, this has been really good.

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I really appreciate filling in for us and letting us attend. Absolutely, absolutely.

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Okay, great. Well, unless there's anything else you guys would like to do, I'm gonna sign off here.

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Terri, is there anything else you wanna do here? Well, certainly we would wanna pray before we go.

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Okay, fantastic. Robin, do you wanna pause or stop the recording now? One second.

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Sarah had a question. Sarah says, oh, I wonder if weight gain would still be a problem if it weren't for the curves.

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I'm right with you, Sarah. That's hilarious. Yeah, I'm gonna say no.