Essential Church Movie

Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today

I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast Today I have the privilege of interviewing

Shannon Halliday Shannon is a member of Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur And he is also the director of the upcoming documentary entitled the essential church

Many of you watch who watch my channel are probably already familiar with this documentary

But if you have not yet heard about it, here is the trailer watch this

God's truth is Enduringly true throughout all the generations it transcends culture

The church is always going to be an embattled people

If it's swimming with the tide, it's not being the Church of Jesus Christ Look to the past learn from the past Because the whole world lies in the power of the evil one

China has more than 200 confirmed cases of coronavirus. It's called the entire state of California order to stay at home

That's for California has some of the strictest policies leveled against churches Gavin Newsom's executive order threatens jail time and $1 ,000 a day fine

Government stopping people from going to church. Dr Fauci when I went in to the White House when

I sat in on the task force meetings was a shocking level of gross Incompetence mortality rate for the virus was 0 .2

percent You're ninety nine point eight percent survival rather than the three or four percent mortality that the people are saying at the time

The culture and the understanding of the people of Grace Church has always been not only do you obey government, but you honor

God Thousands of people in the streets, but you can't have church

The hypocrisy of letting people riot helped us all understand one thing.

This is not what they say By meeting we're testifying. The government has no jurisdiction here.

I was arrested and Driven to a maximum security prison. The government has obviously turned up the heat on churches

When the church is full silent the only religion left is the state

We needed to make a biblical statement because we always put ourselves under the authority of the

Word of God LA County threatened Pastor John MacArthur with jail time and arrest

We were going to be sued. They wanted Grace Church shut down we wanted to go on the offensive and attack the health order as Unconstitutional.

This wasn't about health and safety. This was all about control and Opposition to religious freedom as the government gets more corrupt and more corrupt snitches get

Rewards, it's totalitarian control has to increase And as they shut down any attacks against them

This is not about freedom or personal choice. The last thing standing is going to be the church.

I Cannot wait for this documentary to come out all of the important links

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Here's my interview with Shannon Well Shannon brother. Thank you so very much for taking time out of your day and joining me for my youtube channel here in this

Interview. How are you? I'm doing great. And it's great to be here and talk to you.

Oh, well, good deal. Well, thank you so much for joining us well Shannon start I guess just by telling us a little bit about yourself and the position that you have there at Grace Community Church Yeah You know, it was really interesting during COVID Obviously there was a great sifting that was going on and one of the things that got kind of sifted at our church was

There was more opportunities for media And at the time

I was working at a job where I was a head writer a creative director for This marketing firm that had thousands and thousands of clients and we were writing and directing commercials for these people and these businesses and This opportunity arised at Grace Church as we started to lean more into our media because we had to So it opened a lot of doors and right

I just started helping out and then it turned out that they needed a creative director and I had the experience and We had a couple projects that we were going to be working on and this was one of the projects the essential church that popped up and so I was a good fit for that and I I took the plunge and quit my job and Decided to work at the church that I had been attending since the late 90s

To to take on this task of directing and writing this film And I didn't want to at first to be honest with you.

I thought that that would probably be a bad career move but I think that I think it was the right thing to do and the

Lord has blessed it so far and I'm Really just thrilled to be able to do What I've been

Focused on most of my life And to do it to the glory of God in service of my

King Christ And I just think that's so exciting and I think it you know, it's really exciting times right now and to tell stories that are

That you know proclaim the fame of our King of our Lord and Savior Christ.

Jesus is just so satisfying and I really really am thrilled to be doing this and it was the right move and I'm glad I did it

Amen. Amen. Well, I think I speak for a lot of us saying that we're glad you did it as well.

So Yeah Well, Jana, let's talk a little bit Let's do a little bit of a deeper dive here into the essential church in the film

So we've all been living this kovat drama now for about three years. We're doing this recording in April of 2023 so we're now three plus years

Uh into this kovat stuff. So is the essential church? Is this a film about grace community church?

Is it a film about john macarthur? Is it a film about kovat all of this together? What what is the story that you're trying to?

Communicate and the message that you want to convey in this film Yeah, so when you tell a story

Uh make a film Um documentary or whatever. There's what happens in the film and then there's what the film is about now what happens in the film is obviously the government told us we couldn't have church and um

We had to wrestle with that and say well, how do we deal with this concerning romans 13? Right and our elders had to wrestle with that and there was even division amongst our elders on that and they were very transparent about that in this film um

And they had to come to a place to be unified to say no We're going to take a stand and then they had to then sue the government now, that's what happened

Um, but what it's about Is it's about? an ancient conflict

That has been going on since the fall And we see it throughout the bible and throughout church history

Is that satan makes a play? For the head of the church and he always has done that Um, and he usually does it

Through the government and you see this right in the old testament through the new testament.

It's a consistent Attempt to always use the government because that's a centralized power

And of course that makes the most sense They're the only ones who can kill anybody can persecute anybody that can make laws that can regulate

So obviously that's that's the quick play always and so this is an ancient conflict that's always gone on And so this was our story is really a springboard to to A greater story that greater story and I go into church history

We traveled to scotland And looked into the covenanters in the 1600s.

We looked into the great ejection And we saw a pattern there and a similar argument

In fact almost the exact same argument where the state was saying we're going to be the head of the church

And the church said Well, wait a second. You can't do that. We can't just give that to you right and um, and that was a

I mean there was just as a result of that stand that that the presbyterians made

Covenanters and um the other puritans, uh in england. I mean many of them just paid with their blood um

So while I say that that's not necessarily what we don't go it's not a documentary about that I mean,

I would love to do a documentary just about that because it's so fascinating But we actually do dive into that and show how this is a repeating theme

And show that this is not just about grace church. It's not just about grace church if this is about an ancient conflict between the church and state that we've seen through church history and I expand it and I go global and we go and tell

Um how this connects to our friends in canada and we look into james coates and tim stevens

Yes, and so it's it really starts with grace church But then it expands by looking back in church history and then globally presently

So it really isn't a story about rah rah rah look at grace church. Look what we did

That's part of the story, but it really is about that central conflict and it's a theological conflict

And yes, we cover politics we cover The science and we talk about those things but all that stuff and the interpretation of those things are all downstream from theology

Because it's a spiritual warfare That's right. It's it's not it starts from these world views of our leaders and and Their worldview is as we look into it.

It's very marxist and it's antithetical To the church and the church really is an enemy to that Right Yes, indeed.

Absolutely. I'm, so glad you you said that and you are going to delve into the some of the history of this

I think that is vitally important. So this is this is not as you just Intimated this is not a rah rah.

This is not self -promotion for grace community church um You're you interview james coates and tim stevens the canadian pastors as well.

So Uh, I know the critics would say oh you're just trying to promote Grace community church john mccarth grace to you, but that's not your aim here, is it?

No, it's not at all Um, we're part of that story And sure it's it's not just another covet story

We obviously look into the cultural aspects of covet and the lockdowns and the effects that it had on stuff

Because I think that's an important part of that story Um, because that really is an outflowing of a worldview the people that chose how to deal with this pandemic

Are dealing from a worldview that really is without the true and living god

So they are interpreting things. Yes marxist point of view and not from um a christian theist point of view and uh, you know, we should definitely be hesitant always or To just hand over any kind of authority to these folks because they obviously don't even share our beliefs

And so I think the main thing is is I want people to come away from this is is they are emboldened and understand that this is

Spiritual warfare that this is something that that's right It's not it's not just political and that they need to go into these spheres

Of what is considered politics or science and go into it with their christian worldview you know unabashedly and just Understand.

Okay, you know, I need to interpret everything according to my worldview as christ being my king

Indeed. Amen. Amen Well shannon at what point i'm curious at what point?

as this drama Unfolded in you know back in 2020 2021 at what point did you think?

Wow, we need to put this together in a film. We knew was there a kind of a light bulb moment

Was there a single event that made you think we really need to make this into a documentary?

But what was the genesis of this? Yeah, um, I think the first time um,

I I it was really jacob hoffman who came to me and said, you know, We need to figure out what our next project is and um

And he said I think we should do it on this covet thing. And of course I was like, yeah, that's a no -brainer

Um, you know, of course we need to do something on this And then he said hey, you know, maybe you can

Put together a a pitch come up with how you would approach this as a writer director Jacob is the producer of of the film and he's the department head of grace productions so he deals with all the logistics of it and making things happen and Dealing with our personnel and and where we get the money to do this and all that kind of stuff.

Um but uh, you know, I Came came together with a pitch and then sat down with john mcarthur

In his office and mark zakevich and pitched them how I would go about doing this and I told him everything that I just told you how

I wanted to involve church history and Make it global and all and that it's we're a part of this story and we're a thrust in this story

But it's really about that central conflict that I explained earlier So, um, and I think that that probably happened um

After we um Settled in the lawsuit after they settled and we won the lawsuit

Um pretty shortly after that it's hard to say exact time, but that's pretty much how

I think it unfolded happened pretty quickly Yeah So the government initially was trying to shut down grace community church and really all churches

Uh, but you turned the tables on them and sued the government and prevailed by god's grace

Yeah, and it's it's really um It's really an odd thing so i've been going to grace since like probably the late 90s and um

We're not a church that really gets very political Um where we if you would have told us before covet you guys are going to sue the government

We would have left and said no we don't do that. We're not going to sue the government. We don't sue anybody um

We're definitely not going to sue the government. Uh but We had to figure that out and say okay.

Wait a second um Because there was a lot of folks That were like a lot of other people out there.

They're like, you know I don't know if that's what we're supposed to be doing. Is it sin? You know because usually what we're dealing with romans 13

Before kovid one of the things I think how we would Minister to people with romans 13 is you would get a lot of folks that were

Super zealous politically and wanted to maybe have a more of an overthrowing the government type of feel to it

And we would say no you're you know, we need to submit to the government. We need to respect our leaders Yeah, and we still believe that sure but obviously there's another side to that coin that we had to understand

And there were some folks that already understood that john mcarthur being one of them um But you know our church had to wrestle with that and we lost a lot of folks

A lot of folks left our church because they did not agree with our standing right, um, but we did turn the tables on them and it was fascinating how

I don't think people realize how How much it was really against the odds that we did what we did

I think some folks even at our own church thought oh it was a shoe -in win But the reality is the odds were really against us and that's something that this documentary.

Uh, Will show the audience that we really We we weren't in a place that um said we were guaranteed success

Yeah, yeah well, it was a learning experience for all of us because No one living really has been as has faced the kind of thing that we faced here in the last three years

We haven't really had well, we've had Epidemics and pandemics but nothing on this scale nothing that has garnered this kind of attention um

It's been a you know all authority It belongs to christ, right?

So christ has all authority and any authority that is exercised by any other institution

Is delegated authority? Delegated to it By christ and so when some other institution oversteps those bounds then we as christians we have a

A right and a duty to stand up to the government so that's the that's the that's the tension there between romans 13 and In acts chapter 5 we must obey god rather than man

And so, um, all of that's going to be fleshed out in the film. I can't wait to I can't wait to see it

Um, oh shannon, let me ask you this we're as I said, you know, we're three years plus out and uh life seems somewhat

I suppose to be getting back to some semblance of normalcy the current administration notwithstanding, but uh,

You know people aren't wearing masks as much as they used to I still See them walking around outside with a mask on which is bewildering to me

But anyway, you don't really have to wear them in restaurants, you know They're optional now in the airports and airplanes and so you don't they're not being told to You have to wear a mask.

So there's some More semblance of normalcy now than we've had in the last few years.

So what would you say to those who might? Say, oh, well, there's really not a need for this film anymore.

I mean life's kind of getting back to normal, you know, we've Gone past that and what's the need what what can

I benefit? What would you say to those folks? Yeah, that's a great question. I would say that What this film shows is that this is a conflict that?

reoccurs over and over and over again That this is by no means the end of it

This is just this is just one of one of many of the same conflict and it's going to happen again and I think

I want I would love for churches who who maybe uh I just want them to understand that, you know

There is a biblical place for them to make a stand like this and to think it through that, you know

What is really loving your neighbor? Was it really to shut down the church? um this situation and and you know just to Make your your north star christ and the word of god and not culture and um, you know cnn

Um, we we've got a we've got to look beyond We have to look at the world and understand that this world lays in the the lap of satan um, it is it is

It is a cursed world and we are Sojourners in it and we have to understand that when they're coming at us from their their point of view that that's not necessarily the biblical point of view and we want to Be good bereans go to the word of god understand what it means to um, never compromise

Uh the headship of christ understand what that is and understand that satan is always making a play for that So this is by no means the last this is probably just the beginning because I have a feeling

That um, something's going to happen again Probably in the near future and we should be fortified

And emboldened by the word of god to do the right thing next time Because I think a lot of churches

Bolded and didn't do the right thing. Um, right and and maybe maybe now are more educated and be like, yeah

Next time this comes around. Let's let's do what what our lord wants us to do and go to church um, and and You know, there is freedom in that there is a freedom in that that we're not saying to everybody.

Hey, you know You can't wear a mask or you have to come to church during this pandemic uh

You know you you have to figure that out medically for yourself before christ, but the church is going to stay open.

Amen. Yep Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. The church is going to stay open. We have a command to do that hebrews 10 25

And our confidence is in christ Uh, and you're right. You're absolutely right. This was uh,

I think in many ways This was kind of a dry run for some things that are coming down the pike.

This is hardly going to be the last Significant challenge, uh the last persecution that the church faces.

Uh, this is kind of a a preview of things to come I think so I'm, really excited about this shannon.

Um, You know, you mentioned that grace community church lost a number of people

In the early days of the pandemic quote -unquote pandemic covid stuff uh, it's been an interesting observation of mine, so In june of 2020 is when churches began to invite me to come again

And preach i'm an evangelist. I travel and preach in churches And so I didn't go anywhere for the first few months of 2020, but then in june churches began to have me again and so Every without exception every single church that I have preached in They're your more doctrinally oriented churches.

You know, it's the happy clappy churches aren't having me Come and preach so they're more doctrinally oriented, but every single church i've been to Um, these are the churches that stayed open

They may have shut down for the initial month or two But then they opened back up in obedience to hebrews 10

And every single one has grown Every single church i've been to has grown and grown significantly

Uh in the last couple of years in this covet stuff and i've heard john macarthur say that Those couple of years 2020

Through 2022 have been some of the most productive fruitful years of his entire ministry can

Can you talk to us a little bit about that and the growth that grace community church has seen? Yeah, it's fascinating As I said earlier there was this sifting where we leaned into our media, but there clearly was this sifting where There was new folks coming to church and folks leaving so we lost a lot of folks, but then we gained

So many new people and they were folks from There some of them Just heard about us.

Actually. It was funny. I just met a lady last sunday Um, I went early and I was there at eight church starts at nine

I went eight, uh for uh, we have a donut ministry. I didn't know that so i'm gonna start coming at eight more often um but I went there and I sat down and this lady sat next to me and she just started coming

She heard about it during covet. She worked in the secret service before Um, and she heard about this church and she's coming here and she says

I can't believe What I have here. I can't believe like the resources I got she showed me this little pamphlet.

I forget what it was Maybe it was found god's will from john mcarthur or something like that Yeah, and she's this thing like usually

I read these little books and like it's really surfacy, but this thing it's like packed I like it has so much content and she was just like Giddy because she had never experienced that before and there's a whole slew of people that came during that time that now are

Hearing expository preaching right that they didn't know. They didn't even know what expository preaching meant

They didn't even that's not a word that was part of their vocabulary exegesis and isagesis and the difference between the two and so they're learning all these things and they're

They're hearing god's word preach word by word verse by verse and I heard that there was something like 1600 new members in the last year

And I go to night church and we have so many new baptisms Um, and so many of them are like I started coming during covet.

I started coming during covet. So yeah, we it was really neat what the lord did because While this real dark thing was happening the contrast between the darkness and the light of christ's truth and his body on earth was being uh magnified and people in the

Were noticing something that they didn't notice before and they're like, hey, I think I want to go check that out Yeah, and they were drawn to it and uh, you fascinating how it was used in the god's sovereignty and how he used something that We didn't really like but he used it for his glory and our good

And I think the church is now more fortified and more unified than it's ever been and I said i've been there since the 90s

But I feel like we're more unified than ever because even more like -minded people are now gathered together.

Yes indeed Indeed. Well, it was it's fascinating because In those first year a year or so of covet, um all of the

And quite honestly, there were a lot of churches that shut down that needed to shut down And I hope they never reopened because they're false churches, but the only churches that were uh,

The only churches that remained open Were the ones who actually took hebrews 10 25 seriously

And so you've got all these sheep. I mean god has his sheep all over right? Sheep want to be fed and so in those first couple years

These sheep are looking around Their church has closed. Uh, the only church that is open.

Well, what do you know? This church over here is open and it's the doctrinally sound churches that remained open and so they went and That's why there was such growth in these churches.

It's been a fascinating thing to see Yeah, and I think I think it might continue because yeah,

I think that more people are awake to the fact that there's uh You know evil and and good

Going on in their society that they weren't necessarily recognizing before I run into people all the time where they're like They're seen because of what happened like there's something behind this you know and I want to figure this out because there is a

A battle between this good and evil if you will for lack of a better term god's sovereign over it all

Right, but but a lot of folks are recognizing something that they didn't recognize before and I think that the church needs to really

Proclaim the truth and make sure that they're visible to those folks with With the churches that are standing on that, you know pure doctrine and I think that's that it's going to continue

Yeah, indeed. I believe it will as well. I sure do So so we're going to be seeing john macarthur in the film and james coates and tim stevens, uh

Who else can you give us a any more little sneak peek who else will be? Yeah So, um,

I was on the hunt at the beginning when I had this idea to bring in the church history Which was going to take us to scotland.

I really wanted somebody from scotland And I went through a few folks that didn't work out but in god's sovereignty

He gave us a gem of a man and his name is ian hamilton Oh, yeah Yeah, and I didn't know who he was before I should have but um

I hadn't heard him preach but after my interview with him, I got to interview him near inverness where he lives um

And uh, I actually got to interview him in a home that was built in the 1750s Right on the coast there um

There's a whole background of a story how we ended up there that wasn't part of the plan But in less than eight hours the lord put us there in this amazing home on this amazing farmland to interview ian hamilton and it was just It was amazing.

I mean, I don't we don't have time to go into all the details of how that happened because At the night before we literally didn't have a home or a location

And so I said when that happened because we had no power over the situation I said, you know

Usually when things like this happen something better happens because the lord really just didn't like that I was planning and had a better plan and that's true to the

I mean, it's exactly what happened But so yeah ian hamilton as I was interviewing him. I was thinking to myself.

I bet you this guy's a heck of a preacher um And so he is a heck of a preacher.

Um, he's been at grace church I think he was at shepherd's conference not this past one, but the one before um

And uh, and I think they did a puritan conference at our church recently on our campus that he was at Uh, and he's amazing and you know, he's scottish so you get the whole

The whole experience, uh filming him in an old scottish house with the scottish accent And biblical theology, so it's amazing and he's a great part of the film and we were so fortunate to have him

Excellent. Excellent. Well, I can't wait to see Go ahead. I'm, sorry another gentleman was uh, somebody that's probably not as well known, but his name is gary brady

And he wrote a book that is not is no longer. Um I don't think it's in in print anymore

Uh, you might still be able to find a copy of it on amazon and it's the great ejection 1962 or something like that.

Um, uh, and he That's not 1916 62, excuse me

Um, but anyways, he wrote a book on the great ejection and he's in it as well And he speaks to that subject as well and I was able to film him in london

Um, and so that was amazing So he's another gentleman and then obviously you said john mcarthur and a few others

So it's it's got some it's got some really knowledgeable Interesting folks in it.

Yeah. Yeah well, I think the first little teaser trailer I saw of this film was uh,

If I remember correctly was shepherd's conference last year 22 and it started off by showing uh, someone was scrolling through some old tapes some old recordings of mccarthur and found a recording from him from 1970

Something 75 77 something like that and it's it's eerie in what he said because he's

I don't have it memorized but but to paraphrase, you know, if we're ever faced with a

Uh government order to shut down or a pandemic to shut down. He said the church will remain open

Something to that effect. Am I to forgive a christian brother who offends me yet?

Because there may be times when you will go to court

But the issue would be this that wherever the word of god or the work of god is at stake

I have the right to claim my legal privileges if for example some

Ordinance came along and tried to close down grace community church. Would we say? Oh, it's all right. We forgive you We'll all go home and just forget the work of god

Not on your life. We'd be down there with every sort of legal thing You can imagine trying to prove that we had the right to exist

It's a matter of protecting the privileges that god has given us for the proclamation of his word When did you come to the decision that you were okay with suing the government how far back do you want to go?

And um Yeah, he says it was in 1975 um

And that was in the archives of grace to you um So we were able to actually go and film that and that was phil johnson.

Who's the silhouette? uh of okay shuffling through those tapes as you said and he grabs a tape from 1975 a sermon from john mcarthur of 1975 and and on that tape

It says how john said it was dealing with how we shouldn't sue our brother But then he gave an example of what he when he would sue and he says for example

If the government ever came down here and shut down the church I would take every legal aspect

I could to go against the government And sue the government and tell them we have a right to exist and he said that in 1975

So yeah, that's that's consistency for you that is Eerie in its um accuracy and and as close to a prophecy as I suppose

You'd ever hear from john mccarthur Uh who like me as a cessationist, but what there there was more prophetic

Accuracy in that than all the other charismatic prophets put together. So that's just No doubt no doubt none of whom by the way saw covet coming but Yeah Yeah Yeah, I have a question for you.

How did the word of faith movement respond to covet you say? Obviously, that's an interesting point.

None of them predicted through their prophecies that covet was coming Uh, but uh, i'm curious how they responded to it.

Yes. No. Oh goodness shannon almost comically in that they were like the keystone cops when it came to Covet none of them saw covet coming when it did come and everybody was talking about it

Then they prophesied that it would go away by Passover of 2020 that it would just go away and obviously that didn't happen uh, so I tell people there's more prophetic power in a magic eight ball than there is in all of the prophets

Combined but um to answer your question specifically how they dealt with it. They uh Well, they shut down uh,

Bethel College and Bethel the school of supernatural ministry Bethel school of supernatural ministry right in california bell johnson

Uh, they had to shut down because of covet despite the fact that they teach that they can heal people

At will even raise a dead they couldn't do any of those things uh, andrew womack Out in colorado springs has caris bible college and he he actually boasted.

I have this on video In march of 2020 that he boasted that he could He was so unafraid of covet.

He said not only will I not get it, but I can actually reach out and touch someone Whoever whoever they are with whatever illness and healing power will go out of me into that person

Instead of having this fear about everybody contaminating me, man I look at it this way that i've got the supernatural power of god living on the inside of me and if I come in with Sickness, I can reach out and touch them and my healing will be transmitted instead of their sickness and uh and heal them and yet caris bible college also had to shut down shortly after that because of covet so um

Yeah, uh, they they shut down. I mean they did what all the other false churches did they they shut down and so it was the

It was the doctrinally sound cessationist churches that stayed open go figure So it was a an interesting observation

Yeah. Yeah, I love it. Yeah Well, Shannon, uh, tell us how can

Well, how long is this a two hour long film like, you know, most movies that you go to the theaters

How long is this and and where can people get? More information about the film updates and things like that Yeah, it's probably going to be anywhere from an hour and a half to two hours long

I'm still in the post -production process. I'm still editing it. That's what I was doing right before I came to talk to you.

Um, We're still working on that. Um, but it's probably uh gonna safe to say it's going to be in that range somewhere.

Um, Uh as far as where you can see it, you know, a lot of that is still being worked out um, but it

It will be in some select theaters, hopefully Um, and we don't have an exact date, but we're thinking probably august

And eventually it'll be streaming for sure um, and uh I I would say that um

The best way to get information on this is to go to essentialchurchmovie .com

That's essentialchurchmovie .com And just subscribe and then you'll get all of the updates as we figure these things out

You'll get the exact day and where you can see this and all of it. And so that's the best way to to To learn more about what we're doing.

That's essentialchurchmovie .com Great fantastic Okay, so they can sign up there and uh get updates at the website essentialchurchmovie .com

So I will put all of the The links or that link down below in the description

And so, uh, dear friends, please do check that out. I am excited about it. Um, I can't wait

I know a lot of people are excited about it Well, that's great i'm glad and i'm excited to see it through and get it finished and just glorify our king with it

Amen. Amen Well shannon, thank you so very much for joining us brother.

Thank you for Giving us your time and telling us about the film And um, yeah, i'm really excited about it anything else you'd like to share

Uh, yeah, if you want to also at the the uh website Essentialchurchmovie .com

you can learn about how you can support and pray for us Um, oh, yeah, so that one that information will be there as well so they can

You know, we appreciate everybody's prayers and support. So, um Learn more about that at the website as well.

So, uh, and i'm i'm not a filmmaker but i've been I've been uh interviewed for a number of documentaries and I know there's a lot of expense that goes into Putting this together.

I mean, you don't you don't fly over to scotland for free. So, um So would it be helpful?

I know there are probably people watching this that they would like to contribute in some kind of a tangible way

Is that something that people can do to help? Fun this film. Yeah Yeah, absolutely.

Um, okay. I mean we're we're making the film regardless but you know, the the the donations do help the support helps the prayer helps and um,

You know, you're right. I mean, I think most people don't understand how much it takes to actually put together a movie um the amount of people and Yeah, it's a lot of effort and and we're not you know, this is not just We're telling a story and that's you know, we're making a movie

This is not just uh, of course there's going to be talking heads in it, but you know, we're making it more than that so we want people to Tell a story and tell it well and that takes a lot of effort to do that.

So indeed Indeed. All right Well, Shannon, thank you so much brother

God bless you and your efforts and all of the many others that are working alongside of you to put this

Together we really appreciate what you're doing and we're excited to see the finished product Thanks Justin and thanks for having us on all right, my pleasure my pleasure

Okay, dear ones. Thank you so very much for watching. I hope that this has been encouraging to you and kind of uh,

Whetting your appetite for the essential church film that is coming uh lord willing later this year and um

Please do if if the lord lays it on your heart if you want to support this film Please do so.

I think it was a very worthwhile project And uh will be really an encouraging and equipping thing for the body of christ

Okay Until our next time together. May the grace of our lord. Jesus christ the love of god and the fellowship of his holy spirit