The Fullness of Time, America's Hate Preachers Reviewed

I guess because a bunch of stars died or something, but that happens every year. That happens every single year. I heard Zsa Zsa, was it Zsa Zsa Gabor that died? 90 some odd years of age, and that unfortunately does take place.

We are going to, so now we're saying no sound. Is that the same thing as before?

How long have you been doing this again? They did a software upgrade, and I downloaded it last week. Actually, they've upgraded it a couple of times in the last month, and suddenly this thing where it's not following the screen changes, it's dropping the sound, and I don't know why.

So everything that I said at the start just goes... We can start over if you want. Yeah, yeah, okay. So Zsa Zsa died. Well, most people don't figure I say anything important at the beginning anyway, so it might as well be silent.

So I guess that's how it's going to work. We'll get used to it eventually. They're playing with everything, and I just, I'm like...

When he says everything, he means everything.

Yep, yep, and I'm one of those, if it ain't broke, don't fix it type folks. So who knows? Who knows what's going to happen down the road. But anyway, want to take a look at the BBC documentary that came out recently on America's hate preachers.

Wasn't it fascinating that the two people they decided to focus upon were Ruben Israel and Steven Anderson? Since, hmm, who's had interaction with both of them? Who's had these people attack him and make signs about him or do movies?

Oh, that would be me. Yeah, yeah. They didn't contact me for some strange reason, but that's because it was just as biased on the left as the loons they were interviewing on the right. But anyway, we'll take a look at a few little sections from that.

But I wanted to start out, given the time of year, basically I'm trying to trigger a fellow in our chat channel that goes by the name of Book. So I'm trying to trigger him, whatever trigger means. I used to know what a trigger was.

We all knew what a trigger was. It was on a gun. And you pulled a trigger and a trigger pull could be measured in pounds. This was back in the days when words still had meaning. Have you noticed how many times gay appears in Christmas songs and it didn't have anything to do with what it means now?

Back in the old days when a he was a he and a her was a her and you didn't have to worry about zee, zim, zur, ear, anything like that. Those were good days. They really were good days. Anyway, so yeah, we've got this fellow in channel.

This morning he posted something on Twitter about being a little confused on the gender issue, but then he decided to modify that lest he'd be misunderstood. We'll just leave that there. But he started doing the Bah Humbug Scrooge thing right now.

So I need to come up with something that might be edifying for everybody but would also trigger him at the same time, just to see what will happen, whatever, like I said, triggering actually means. So it's working so far, too.

He's going to find a safe space. Actually, he's been planning to take over the chat channel for a long time. This just may move his plans up just a little bit at that particular point in time. Anyway, hopefully make this edifying.

I did get a complaint on Twitter from some guy. It just takes me too long to get to things. I need to go faster. We need to be more time efficient on the dividing line. Yes, I'm sure he does. I did not respond by saying some long lines of, well, please be free to start your own program or anything like that.

I didn't do that. What can I say? Anyway, I was thinking, I actually am preaching Sunday morning. Yes, we are having church on Sunday. And I may be doing the Sunday school. If I get time, I just don't know.

I may be just continuing the church history series where we are. Or I could sneak a church history lesson in on Mithraism and stuff like that. If I have time. I just don't know. We'll see. But I know what I'm going to be doing for the Sunday morning service.

It's a very similar, a little bit longer version of what I did in St. Charles. If you've seen that one. No, that is not a left behind book behind me. And what are they talking about? Who put this here?

Who put this here? You're laughing. So I know. Ryan? Ryan did this. So I looked up the screen. I noticed, oh, there's something on top of my Von Soden Greek text. And a plain introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament by Scrivener.

And a few things like that. And what is it but left behind? A novel of the earth's last days. I will confess. I've never read this or any of the other 47 sequels to this. But incredible. More intriguing than Clancy and Grisham.

Really? Okay. All righty. Someone spent $13 .99, even though the sale says $10 .97 on the front. Well, thanks, Ryan. Appreciate that. I'm now regretting having let you in just a few minutes ago. But anyway.

Kofie just said, burn it with fire. Well, I do have. I do have my flamethrower here for the straw man. But we won't. That would probably be somewhat dangerous. And Kofie can get away with suggesting that because he probably can't get in trouble being as he's in Milwaukee.

So anyway. Well, thank you. Anything else I need to look for in here? Any other embarrassing things? No? No? Okay. All right. At least you're not going to tell me if there is. There's a note inside the cover?

Yeah. Okay. Merry Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not only does this thing look like it's about 20 years old. It's all beat up, dog-eared. The paper is, you know, aged. But I just put my stamps. I have two stamps now that says heretical garbage for research purposes only.

I put them in the other office so I can't stamp them right now. But I forgot. I also forgot to bring myself anything to drink, which was probably not wise. But all right. Okay. Interesting stuff. I just love how everybody expects you to cover.

If you're going to do apologetics, you have to cover everything. We're getting a Twitter bomb from the phone call you obviously got just a few moments ago. Look at Twitter. I bet you it's the same person.

Anyway, now can we get to it? Now that all the heretical stuff has been removed from plain view? Well, some people would question that for other reasons, but we won't go into that. As I was thinking about what texts to address, was that what the phone call was about?

Yep. There you go. Yeah. That was quick. Yeah. Well, I've addressed some of those things. I spoke on it here at the church. That was one of the subjects that I addressed here at the church. But it's not something that's a major area.

I can go ahead and address this. I had a fellow come and channel today, and he asked a question about Luther and his views on baptismal regeneration and sola fide and how you put all that together. Now, I had just gotten done with the ride.

I had to get showered up, grab lunch on the way in, get set up for the program. And I'm like, that's a really big subject to address. Well, come on. I've asked this question before. Why won't anybody answer my question?

And now we've got a guy, JDPR, on Twitter and has questions about annihilationism. And we're just supposed to whatever else we're doing. And there's something about people today. It would never cross my mind, never cross my mind to contact an R .C. Sproul or a John MacArthur or somebody else and say, you know, I don't know what else you're doing, but you need to stop everything you're doing right now.

And my question needs to be the most important thing to you. And you need to put everything else off. You know, when I was a kid and I had questions, there was this thing called a library, not Google, is a thing called a library.

In fact, some of you young folks need to go into the historical archives, which is Google. Go to Google Images and type in card catalog. And find out how your ancestors looked things up. And, for example, we used to use something called interlibrary loan.

Interlibrary loan, I-L-L. Because very frequently the library you'd go to wouldn't have the book you needed. But another library would. And as long as you had time, which meant that things took time back then, it wasn't just microwave right now, you could actually get the book.

Now, you'd have to then read the book and you'd have to take care of the book. You'd have to return the book. You'd have to go to the library multiple times to, you know, go put the initial one in and go pick it up and then go take it back.

And, yeah, things were done a little bit more slowly back in those days. But it's amazing how much you learned by having to research things and read stuff that you didn't really necessarily want to read at the time.

But, you know, that's how we did it back in the olden days. And it just amazes me how many people think that there is some kind of... I am a terrible, horrible, nasty person. If I say, you know what, that's not really a subject I have time to talk about right now.

Partly because such subjects as sacramentalism and Lutheran justification are huge and they're not to be done in a chat channel anyways. They are massive, they're big, they can't be done well without extensive preparation.

But secondly, when did I become the online Bible Answer Man? I've never advertised myself that way. I've never said, hey, you know what, if you just want a bibliography of everything you... Well, of course, you're not actually going to read the whole thing.

But, you know, just sort of pre-digested answers to everything, just give me a ring. I've never said... I don't even want people to think that. And it's just scary because what you're going to find when you do the shallow, I want answers right now, answers are generally not good answers.

And they'll generally mislead you. They'll generally mislead you. So, you know what, on the subject of annihilationism, there's been bunches of stuff published. Bunches of stuff published. Yes, well, I wasn't really listening.

I just heard something, you know, just saying, you know, that's not subject we're addressing today. Lots of stuff out there. Look it up, do some work, be patient. Just a real pet peeve of mine. In my day, you had to work, had to do something.

Now it's, hey, entitlement mentality. You drop everything. Whatever is most important to me. Okay, all right. That's generally not going to bode well for the answers that you're going to end up... Patience, patience.

Good thing, good thing. Do work. All right, as I was saying, finally, 15 minutes in. Yay. Getting to the text. I was thinking about the subject of the incarnation. And we've addressed it from so many different perspectives.

For example, over the years, I've just loved working through Isaiah 9. And I will touch on Isaiah 9 in the sermon on Sunday. But only touch on it as a part of the series of texts from Isaiah 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.

It's so obvious that part of the central proof texting that Jesus taught the disciples. Remember, that's what's the essence of what's going on after the resurrection. And the training of the disciples is opening their minds to understand the scriptures.

And what's he talking with the disciples in the road to Emmaus about? But the testimony of the Old Testament scriptures to himself. And it's just fantastic when you look at a child being born. And the root that's used there.

This was a true child. This was true birth. And yet a son given. And the differentiation of the words. And how in light of fulfillment, we can see things that would not have been seeable in the original context.

Which become all the more significant when we see how each of these passages dovetail with one another. It's just incredible. It really is. Always enjoy doing that. It's beautiful. But I decided to go someplace completely different.

And this is not where you would normally expect someone to go to share a few thoughts regarding the Incarnation. But it is a vitally important text. If you go to almost, well, if you go to any university, state-sponsored college.

And the majority of Bible colleges and seminaries in the United States today. Majority, I didn't say all. You'll be told that, and you'll hear this from Muslims a lot. And you'll hear it from what I would call the Paul haters.

There is so much hatred of the Apostle Paul, it's incredible. That's why I've so often recommended some of the excellent books like Paul, Apostle, The Heart Set Free. F .F. Bruce's Study of Life and Letters to the Apostle Paul.

And other things like that. Because there's so much anti-Paulism out there. For the obvious reason that, well, you consider how much of the New Testament was written by him. How many of the doctrines and concepts are enunciated by him.

It's understandable why people would attack him. But you will be told that the Apostle Paul had no concept whatsoever. None whatsoever of the virgin birth of Christ. Knows nothing about the birth of Christ.

Doesn't think it's important. Never makes reference to it, etc., etc., etc. And yet, in Galatians chapter 4. Now, this is one of those places where you get a tremendous amount of fascinating information.

Based upon how a statement made in passing. Proves that for the Apostle, this was a given that he shared with his audience. We've talked about this in a number of other texts. The first time I've addressed this one that I remember anyways.

But in Galatians chapter 4. It is not Paul's intention to provide an in-depth discussion of incarnational issues or things like that. But the language that he uses clearly presupposes certain beliefs and concepts.

That very often it is said the Apostle did not possess. Or did not consider important. What do I refer to? Galatians chapter 4, verse 4. Oh, I'm sorry. I suppose I should do this. If it's even going to work.

I don't know if it will because I brought this up later. Oh, there it is. One of a dozen things there. A lot of the liberals who argue against the Pauline authorship of Colossians and Ephesians. Will accept the Pauline authorship of Galatians.

But not recognize the interesting connection of the use of Pleroma between the two. Here is the fullness of time. When the fullness of time came, you have to have an understanding. That God is sovereign over what takes place in time for there to be a fullness of time.

I mean these words make perfect sense when you're steeped in the worldview and the perspectives of the prophets. But once you accept the idea that well the prophets just all each had their own particular viewpoint.

And we really can't take all that very seriously. And you no longer have a deep biblical theology of the doctrine of God from the Old Testament. What does this mean? The fullness of time came. Did that just happen?

Was that happenstance? Was that chance? No. This is the outworking of the decree of God. And God in His sovereignty chose a particular point of time. When He in the person of His Son. Not the Father, not the Spirit, but in the person of the Son.

Would enter into His own creation. This wasn't something that was left to chance. This wasn't something that well it might have been earlier, it might have been later. You know it just all depended on what man does.

No. The fullness of time. When the fullness of time came. So I suppose we could if we wanted to we could rename if we want to get rid of objectionable terms. We could rename the season the fullness of time celebration.

And isn't it right to celebrate that there is a fullness of time? I hope each one of you is really thinking about just how different from the way of the thoughts of the world. The thinking of the scripture writers is.

And why it's important to be able to recognize. That there is something called the fullness of time and that's based upon the sovereignty of God. And if you detest the sovereignty of God. If you don't like that because that's one of them Calvinist doctrines.

Well do you see what it impacts? How do you understand this? What does it mean to the synergist who does not believe in a sovereign decree of God? That God's just sort of reacting to us in time and so on.

What is the fullness of time? How does the fullness of time come? Because Paul can just simply. He doesn't have to explain this. He doesn't have to say now let's you know I've not talked to you about this before.

But there's this idea of God's sovereignty over time and nothing like that at all. Nothing like that at all. When the fullness of time came. Then notice the next. This is an interesting term. In fact I'm going to.

Let me see here. Search for. That's not going to give you what I want. That's good. Well there are a few. There are actually a number of them. To send forth. It's a strengthened form of Apostello. But God sent forth his son.

Now Simon Gather Cole has written a book where he examines the language of the synoptic Gospels. The Jesus uses of himself. And has argued that there is a clear understanding on the part of Jesus. That he has come from God.

Not just in the that there is a underlying sense of pre-existence and relationship with God. Not just you know well a prophet is sent by God or something like that. No this is this is a God sent forth his son.

At the fullness of time. At the exact time that this was to take place. And all the machinations of man. All the craziness of Herod. All the political intrigues. Think. Think with me just for a moment.

How many quote unquote free will choices. Had taken place. Between the prophecy of Isaiah. And the fullness of time. See this is why you listen to the dialogue that I had with John Sanders. On Unbelievable last year well earlier this year actually is May of this year.

He was much more aggressive. Than he had been before. And what was he aggressive on? This idea of prophecy. The open theist has to be death on prophecy. It cannot be specific. Because if there is specific prophecy and fulfillment.

Then this idea of the free will choices of men being unknown to God. How many free will choices. Led Mary and Joseph. To Bethlehem. At that time. In that place. In the fullness of time. God sent forth his son.

I mean. Over and over again I've said this is such a scandal to the world. We need to realize how amazingly scandalous it is. How ridiculous in the world's sight. What we're celebrating is actually is.

That God sent forth his son. To send him forth into the world. Into his own creation. And what did that involve? Did that involve just some sort of a celestial flyby? You know where. Just sort of flies.

Across the sky announcing something. And everyone looks and is amazed. And oh we can light up the night. No. God sent forth his son. And we. It's interesting that this is Ginnomai. Ginnominon. Ek Gunai Kas.

Which we translate born of a woman. But that's not a technical term for. I mean. In a particular context. It can mean that obviously it does here. But that's not. One of the technical terms for giving birth.

And I think it's possible. That the reason is that it's it's paralleled obviously with the Ginnominon right here. Born under the law. But the point is. When you're told Paul knew nothing about the birth of Christ.

Didn't care about the birth of Christ. The ease. And the brevity. With which the apostle can make these statements. Demonstrates that this was already given truth. That the churches in Galatia. He could expect them to understand.

He does not even have to stop. And explain them. This is a part of the gospel tradition. That has already been delivered to these churches. This is why Paul was preaching to the early hours of the morning.

And people fall asleep and fall out of windows. Because it takes time to communicate this stuff. And he had. And so he knows that Christ is born of woman. And there is no reason. Other than the modern.

Hyper skeptical. This is just how we have to do it. Mindset. To rip Galatians 4 .4 out of the same canon. That gives us Luke 1 and 2. That gives us Matthew 1, 2 and 3. That gives us the explanation of what this means.

So that it becomes a vacuous statement. Instead we need to let it say what it says. Born of woman. He came into this world. He had a true birth. But there was something special about it. But it was a real incarnation.

Just as John says. Because he was made under the law. He enters into this world in a particular situation. A particular context. And why is it important that there is a fullness of time? Why is it important that God sent forth his son?

Why is it important that he is born of woman? Why is it important that he is born under the law? Do you see something here? This is what I emphasized. There were so many texts that I could have gone to.

When Andy Stanley said. You know. Someone predicts their own resurrection. And all that kind of stuff. I really don't care how they come into the world. Remember? I played it. And when I responded to that.

I could have gone to a dozen different places. I really could have. And this would have been a good one. Because do you see any distinction? In the thinking of the apostle here? Between the birth of Christ.

Christ being sent from the Father. The fullness of time. And redemption. No. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Remember I told the story. I think I told the story. See I've spoken on this in a couple different places now.

I'm starting to lose track of which one. But I told the story of Ruby at North Phoenix. Right? Really? I thought I told that story. In response to Andy Stanley. Well you see. I've been on other programs.

And I've spoken. And I apologize. Sometimes it's hard to remember. But notice verse 5. In order that there is a Hinnah Clause. Thanks be to God. There is a Hinnah Clause right there. In order that those under the law redeem.

Redeem. In order that the sonship or adoption of sons they might receive. So it's a Hinnah Clause. A Hinnah Clause is giving you. Here's the purpose. Here's the result. Of what God has done. Notice there wasn't anything up there about what man has done.

But what God has done. There was a reason why Christ had to be born of woman. There was a reason why he had to be born under the law. There was a reason why he had to be sent forth by the Father. There's a reason why it had to be the fullness of time.

And it's all connected to his work as Savior. That he might redeem those under the law. In order that they might receive the adoption of sons. No divine Savior. No gospel. No true human birth. No gospel.

No fullness of time. No gospel. It's all tied together. It's all tied together. And at some point. Somewhere along the way. I told a story recently. Somewhere. Of my time at a very large Southern Baptist Church.

Where we would have these Christmas cantatas. Christmas pageants. Whatever. They got pretty big. I think there was a period of time when we were competing with the big assemblies of God Church up the road.

And live animals and stuff like that. I think once we did. I think once we did. Yeah. I really. No, I know once we did. I think there was a procession. It may have been an Easter thing. The entry into Jerusalem.

But I remember that a donkey was led down one of the aisles. So I do remember that. That did happen. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. And I worked in the sound area. That was a hard job. 250 voice choir. Full orchestra.

That was a lot of work. I mean talking hours and hours and hours of really hard work. Anyway. One year. There was a special solo number. By a black soloist. Black female soloist. In the choir. By the name of Ruby.

Ruby Brown I think it was. And that woman could sing. Man, she had a voice. Absolutely amazing. I was going to look it up. I realized. Because I. There's something in the back of my mind that tells me that I actually found.

A recording online once. Of Ruby singing this song. I wish I still. I had found it. But anyway. She had this. Incredible solo. In a Christmas. Pageant. That wasn't pageant. Cantata. Whatever. It was called the Shadow of the Cross.

And. It was one of those times where in a Christmas program you had. Some really decent theology. In one of the songs. And. The place is darkened. The place seats. 4 ,500 people. We always said it was over 5 ,000.

But. Whatever. Lights are down. And. There's this. Manger. And so what we did. Is we took one of the lights. Man, I never went up there. I am afraid of heights. If anything I can fall off of. A plane.

It's fine. If I can fall off of it. No thank you. One thing I never did. Was went up into the light base. Because. No. That's not my thing. Anyway. Somebody went up there. Not me. And put a. Red. Filter.

Cutout. Yeah. Looks like somebody found one. Well. Here she is singing at the. RNC. Yeah. That's her. Assuming there's not more than one. Ruby Brown from. North Phoenix Baptist Church. Yeah. That'd be Ruby.

Anyway. We put a cutout. In red. Red filter. On. The. Light. That then. Was cast across. The. Manger. And. Focused it. So that. You could. You could see. It wasn't the shadow. Of the cross. It was actually the light.

Of the cross. I guess. But it was dark. So. We didn't have any complaints. Though I'm sure today. We would. Everybody got the. The idea. The. The focus. Of the. Assertion. Was that. From the beginning.

From. That manger. The cross. Cast its shadow. Over the entirety of that life. Because that was the purpose. That was the reason. That's what this text is saying. That's what this text is saying. It's exactly what it's saying.

And. The fact. That Paul can make this statement. As he's pursuing another argument. He's not having to expand upon it. It's just. This is a given. We all agree on this. And here's the point of it. Shows that this is primitive.

Fundamental. Apostolic teaching. Absolutely foundational. And so. The coming of the fullness of time. The sending forth the son of God. Being born of a woman. Being born under the law. In order that he might redeem those who are under the law.

And that we might receive the adoption as sons. It's all connected together. Most people would never think of Galatians 4 through 5 as an incarnation text. But really it is. And what it does is it connects in that balanced way.

And I have mentioned that. You know. In the East. You have an overemphasis upon the incarnation. And the reason it becomes an overemphasis is because there's not a corresponding emphasis upon the forensic, salvific elements of the cross.

And the West. You almost end up with a Dasetic Jesus. You know. All these pictures of Jesus with the halos and he's glowing. And all the little Lord Jesus. No crying he makes. Oh. Pfft. Babies have to cry.

It's how their lungs develop. Hello. Earth to whoever wrote the Gnostic Christmas Carol. So you have in the West the corresponding de-emphasis upon the biblical truth of the incarnation. Which needs a balance.

And where do you find the balance? You find the balance in the Word of God. And it's beautiful. So if you're looking for a place maybe to open the scriptures and think about the amazing work of God in Christ and think about the incarnation, this is a good place.

Good place. You can tie it into so many other things. But this is a good place. And I would suggest it to folks. I hope that that's useful to folks. I do realize, I hope everyone does realize, that I was being fairly facetious in my seeking to trigger one of my more, how shall we say, Puritan-leaning Presbyterian brothers.

But I realize that there are some in this audience that have theological objections to well, there's different kinds. You can have a theological objection to the celebration of something. Or you can have a theological objection, not so much that if you want to do that privately you can do so, but forcing other people to do so if they don't want to do so.

If they have reasons that they feel that that would be inappropriate for them to do, then should they be forced to do these types of things? That's another issue that comes up. And I know once I went to a Reformed Baptist church, it's handled with significantly more sensitivity, I think, than other places that I've been to, where it's just simply shoving your face, this is what we do.

So I understand that there are some people that sort of feel a little bit left out this time of year. I'm not trying to do that. I think that it's appropriate. I certainly enjoy this time of year. I think it's a great thing to think about the Incarnation, but most of you know I talk about the Incarnation all year long.

It's not just this time of year. But when there's an opportunity where people might be more open to hearing these things, there you go. There you go. So hopefully that text is useful to you. I need to change what I am sending across the way now, back down to

Oh, that's the other thing I don't like about this, is I actually have to have the window open now for it to even see it. There we go. Let's see if it finds it now. Oh, so many programs. Nope, going to have to go back.

I don't know what happened to this thing, but it is about a tenth as useful as it once was. It really is. There's Chrome now. Yep, there you go. All right. Sorry about that. It's a program that sends what's on my computer to the live stream so we can show it to you.

And for some reason, once we put a higher-end Mac in here, it now shows me a list of programs about yay long. I'm sitting there trying to find what program I'm trying to show you. A couple of days ago, Josh down in Australia linked to a BBC documentary, America's Hate Preachers.

I wasn't at all shocked that the hate preachers they focused upon were Steven Anderson over in Tempe and Ruben Israel. I have had probably more interaction with these two than probably anybody else I know, and that hasn't been a whole lot.

They've got their little cliques, but we have pictures of Ruben Israel and others standing outside the temple in Salt Lake City carrying signs about me. I have a video somewhere on YouTube of one of Ruben Israel's compatriots.

What was that guy's name? Lonnie. Lonnie Purcell. Whacking me in the head with his sign as he goes by. It was done very purposefully. Lonnie even showed up outside our church, outside PRBC once. We just had everybody else go out the back door instead of the front, so he didn't think there was anybody there.

That was funny. We call them the street screechers because they're just out there to promote themselves. They believe that making people angry at them somehow makes them... They're being persecuted for righteousness sake and all the rest of that kind of stuff, and it's not.

They're just being jerks. I mean, we literally watch them as there's a line of Mormons going by to go into the meeting hall yelling at the Mormons, it shouldn't be Mormon. This was Ruben Israel. It shouldn't be Mormon.

It should be moron. And they consider that preaching. And when people get upset when they hang temple garments from their signs and stuff like that, this somehow is indicative of their godliness or something.

And all it means is they're a bunch of jerks who are not adorning the gospel of Jesus Christ. They are defaming it. And then, of course, they default back to the, oh, we're just doing what the prophets did and so on, that kind of thing.

So you've got the street screechers, and then you've got Steven Anderson. I'd say once a week, I get a note on Twitter from someone who says, I just watched the two hour... They always say debate, folks, please.

That was not a debate. That was an interview. And I still remember the look on Rich's face when he says to me, and sort of in passing, he says, hey, Steven Anderson contacted me and wants to interview you for a movie.

And I said, oh, okay, let's schedule it. And his dentures fell out. He was shocked. No, he didn't have dentures. If he had, they would have fallen out. However, that's a fair. He just couldn't believe that I said, sure, let's go ahead and do it.

And so they came over and they were recording from the time they came through the door. One of the guys carrying a camera recording everything. And I don't know, it was about two hours and 20 minutes.

And most everybody has admitted that the interview was significantly more interesting than the movie was by a long shot. They only used like 90 seconds in the movie and it was irrelevant. It was just irrelevant.

I did not know when he came over just how much of a complete heretic he was, you know, Jesus going to hell and anti-lordship stuff. I found that out later. Holocaust denier, all the rest of this. I didn't even find that out at that time that came out later on.

But he's not a stupid man. He's worked professionally as a German translator. He speaks fluent German far better than I speak German. And he is not, do not underestimate Steven Anderson. In fact, the thing that really bugged me, the thing that bugs me about listening to Steven Anderson, he was on with, what's the guy who's been on channel 12 forever with the mustache?