The Good News of Dinosaurs

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Okay, so I'm Terry Camerizzo and I'm here on behalf of Creation Fellowship C &T.

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We're a group of friends bound by our common agreement that the creation account, as told in Genesis, is a true depiction of how

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God created the world and all life in six days, just about 6 ,000 years ago.

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Tonight, we're blessed to have definitely a creation science presentation.

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We love dinosaurs and the fact that they point so incredibly to God's creativity and to the

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Bible. And so tonight we have Matt Miles. He's the president of Creation Truth Foundation and has been with CTF since January of 2006.

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He's a graduate of Manhattan Christian College. And since then, Matt has effectively served the

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Lord in three different Kansas churches as youth pastor. Matt's burden for today's church has led him to serve the

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CTF ministry as student worldview director through their in -house program called

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SWAT, Student Worldview Advanced Training. Matt is a well -studied preacher and teacher of Bible origins and has, through much study, developed an excellent program in biblical astronomy.

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He is a very talented communicator with young people of all ages and is becoming a much sought -after speaker in Christian youth camps and youth training programs.

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Over the last several years, the Lord has broadened Matt's ministry scope to include whole congregations with growing recognition.

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And we'll let him tell you a little more about his traveling dinosaur exhibits as well.

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So, Matt, with that, we're happy to turn it over to you. Thank you, Terri. It is great to be with you guys this evening.

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It's always good to be able to share the word of God, and if I get the opportunity to talk about dinosaurs, even better yet, that's a great combo to me.

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And it has not always been a great combo for me. You know, as I thought about what

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I wanted to share this evening, I was spurred on by the Lord to let you guys know, as I travel,

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I come across people that range quite a bit in their understanding of dinosaurs, from total don't care anything about dinosaurs folks to folks that believe they have it all under control, especially like third to sixth grade young men, think they know everything about dinosaurs, usually can name more dinosaurs than even

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I, but it's always fun to come across people that have never, ever thought about dinosaurs and the

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Bible or have just compartmentalized them into, okay, there's this dinosaur prehistory thing, and then there's the

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Bible. And so, as I share everywhere I travel and I get the opportunity to preach and teach is that I share,

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I'm 100 % biased to this book. This is absolute truth.

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It is not contained some truth. It is not kind of truth.

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It is truth. That's where I'm coming from, and that's where I always come from when I'm teaching on whatever subject that I'm going to be teaching on.

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And so tonight, as we talk about dinosaurs, I've termed a message called the good news of dinosaurs because I've heard over and over again, wow, those creatures were horrible.

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They were evil. They were this, they were that. And quite simply, we don't have great background on them other than they're fossils.

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That's what we have. And so sometimes they get a bad rap,

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I believe. But I know for me personally, they were an issue that I could never give an answer to.

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Growing up in a Christian household, accepting and being saved when

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I was 13, I never rode with the idea of the evolutionary worldview of us coming from primates or some common ancestor of a primate.

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I never rode with that in science class. But anytime the age of the earth got brought up or dinosaurs or the fossil record got brought up,

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I never had a great answer biblically. Like it was never discussed at church.

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I never thought to even ask the question at church. And so it just kind of, it was kind of that other world, that other part of history.

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But as I've gotten older, I've understood, listen, history, if we don't see history in the lens and through the pages of the word of God first, we are going to be missing things.

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And definitely our worldview is going to be skewed. And so this presentation talking about the good news of dinosaurs has really come out of my own journey that the

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Lord's brought me through as I met Dr. Sharp, the founder of our ministry, Creation Truth Foundation.

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When I met him back in 01, my world was and my worldview was very much transitioned in this area specifically.

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And when I first heard some of the things that Dr. Sharp began teaching that our ministry shows with our dinosaur collection and all the above,

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I sat there that afternoon going, wow, OK, one, this makes sense.

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Two, I didn't understand why I'd never heard it. I didn't understand why it had taken me 20 some years of my life, 30 some years of my life before I'd heard this.

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And so I got pretty mad. I got very mad as to why

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I had never heard it or had never come across it. And it just started me on this journey and this worldview development that ultimately led me to this ministry.

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The Lord led me with Dr. Sharp's help to this ministry 17 years ago.

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And so five years ago, when Dr. Sharp handed me the mantle of the presidency of this ministry,

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I took it. And it was a very overwhelming thing to me, but the challenge that Doc has put before me and the

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Lord has put before me is one that I am fully ready to take on and do every day whenever asked, and that is sharing the truth of the word of God.

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And so our topic tonight of dinosaurs and good news, I mean, most of us know and understand that dinosaurs affect our lives.

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They influence our food, which is quite interesting because just this idea here of pre -chewed chicken in the shape of dinosaurs.

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You know, what surprised me is that nobody has jumped on this yet and tried to argue that they're just dinosaur nuggets, period, that they're not even chicken because chickens are supposed to be dinosaurs.

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That's what we hear everywhere now. So either way, the dinosaurs have influenced us, every one of us.

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I don't care who you are. Dinosaurs have influenced us. The issue becomes is how have they influenced us?

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Has it just been in cartoons as we grew up with even the

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Flintstones being closer to biblical reality than I ever understood? As I watch them now,

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I think, huh, totally not following the evolutionary worldview whatsoever when they have humans and domesticated dinosaurs.

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But obviously, all of these other things like land before time, dinosaur terrain, very much educating our youth and our students today with a false worldview, a worldview that is not grounded in scripture, not grounded in biblical history, and will cause an issue as we go to museums and we see great creatures that have lived on the earth like Sue here at the

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Field Museum in Chicago, largest T -Rex ever found to date. She's a great specimen, but they do, they influence everybody.

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And we learn things from museums. We learn things from books like Dr. Seuss, even in Dr.

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Seuss. Dr. Seuss mentions that it wasn't hundreds or thousands, but millions of years long before you were born.

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So this worldview of epic ages and millions and billions of years of time are ground into us from a very, very early age, especially with this dinosaur thing.

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And so for me personally, I could never answer that. I never knew how to answer that. I couldn't have told you,

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I think, as a high schooler, I couldn't even have told you that the biblical history was 6 ,000 years.

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It was just something that for me, if it was taught, I never caught. And quite honestly,

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I've always been kind of a science guy. So it's been an interesting thing for me to study these things and see how important worldview is for all the above.

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And so when it comes to dinosaurs, probably the most influential thing has been the

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Jurassic Park series. For most of us, and especially these generations right around us now, the

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Millennials and others, this movie series is less movie and much more documentary to them.

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I know this because of questions that I ask when I go to camps or whatever. And when I'm spending time with youth and I will ask specific questions of things that I know were taught in Jurassic Park or Jurassic World.

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And so I will get those things regurgitated back to me. And along with all of the above, especially with the newest series in Jurassic World and the most recent one with fully feathered dinosaurs now on film, none of them have been there prior to this last one.

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But its influence is very, very heavy. You know, our students, our youth today, they don't take the time to go see and check how much of these dinosaurs that they're seeing in film are real or even how many of these dinosaurs we have fossils for.

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So, for instance, the pyroraptor, just to to affect and challenge worldviews this evening. This pyroraptor, no more than about 40 percent of this animal has ever been found.

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And it's literally no taller than my knee in the fossil record.

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We've never found them larger than that. And by no means have we ever found even a remote feather on the few pieces we have of this animal.

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So to have them fully feathered, six to seven feet tall and living in a cold environment or even swimming in ice cold water.

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We have nothing that supports that whatsoever. And being that they were reptilian and lizards, they were most likely cold blooded.

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I'm on that side. I'm not on the warm blooded side at all. They do not have the pieces and parts that are needed to be warm blooded.

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But that is what is argued now very heavily, predominantly because the idea is we have to try to explain them in an evolutionary worldview.

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So let's have the theropod dinosaurs turning into chickens. That seems to be the most exciting thing lately.

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And so and so that's what I get to deal with on an ongoing basis. But but really it comes down to worldview.

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So everywhere we go and we we teach and preach, we want people to understand you have a worldview.

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You have this set of beliefs. Everything you've ever learned in your entire life continues to build on your worldview.

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So if if you've only ever been taught that dinosaurs died 66 million years ago, and that is the updated date.

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So if you're still using 65 million, you're not following the right story.

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It's 66 now. It's a it's an ever evolving story, to be quite honest.

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So this worldview, if your worldview rides there and that the asteroid struck somewhere near the

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Yucatan Peninsula and and caused the Chinxulub crater, that's the going worldview of dinosaurs and what happened to them.

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What's funny is, is a lot of people just never really ask the right questions to go,

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OK, but what about this or what about that that we've had in the fossil record before the asteroid and we still have today?

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All of those things, do does everybody agree that the Chinxulub crater is from an asteroid?

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So what I find is, is is a lot of people were like me. Some of us, we just we didn't care, we didn't think it was important, we think dinosaurs are fun.

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And so that that all feeds into our worldview. But everybody has a worldview, everybody has something they believe to be true.

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And so whatever that is, is how we we guide our life. It's how we see things.

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And so so today it's becoming more and more of a challenge with with young people to to impact their lives with truth.

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This day and age, we have lots and lots of access to information, but all the information is not necessarily good.

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So we must do what we can in worldview development, especially with youth in our families, for sure, and in our churches also to impact their lives with this book, with the

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Bible. And so this evening, as we as we talk about dinosaurs, I I I often will share this slide, this graphic to show the idea of the differences between the biblical understanding of how everything got here and the evolutionary understanding of how everything got here.

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They're they're diametrically opposed. There are those that want to come and fuss and argue with me that that God could have used evolution.

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And I totally agree he could have, but he didn't tell us he did. So it goes against everything else in Scripture, let alone the first chapter.

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So so tonight with with dinosaurs, I want to begin with one verse in Exodus chapter 20, as we most of us recall and know in Exodus chapter 20, we find the

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Ten Commandments. There's an interesting verse in there in verse 11. It says for in six days, the

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Lord made the heavens and the earth to see and all that is in them. And he rested on the seventh day.

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He clearly states in his own finger in stone, the

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Lord states that he has made everything in six days and he uses the word all that word in the

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Hebrew means all doesn't mean some doesn't mean kind of most of it.

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It means all so that means everything that has ever existed was created in those first six days.

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So if we're talking about dinosaurs, they are land dwelling reptiles. They walk upright on their hips.

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They are different than any of any reptiles we have today. All of our present day reptiles all walk with their with their arms out.

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Their hip structure is totally different than than that that we find in dinosaurs.

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And so what we're what we're left with is is we have this column, this geologic column that we've all seen and we've all been taught about this stack of rocks that nowhere on the planet does it exist except for in our textbooks.

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Most times I've asked a lot of people, you know, how did we come up with this geologic column, like who stacked them, who named them, who indexed fossildom, who put the dates to them, how did we get the dates, all the above.

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I have had less than a handful of people ever give me even remotely the history behind this.

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We most of us have been taught this is the geologic column. These are index fossils. This is how old it is.

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So there it is. Don't need to question it. It's a done deal. The problem is.

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It's not a done deal, it's not it's not what what it's been advertised as.

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And and so so this this geologic column, the pieces and parts when they're stacked, they are not epic periods of time of history.

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They are they are a disaster, a judgment against sin all laid down within a within a year's time, by and large.

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And so so when we study things that are in them like fossils, fossils are rocks.

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A lot of people I come across when you say fossil, they immediately your their brain goes to a dinosaur bone.

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And especially with kids, they don't like talking about that out of the observed fossil record, over 95 percent of the observed fossil record is clams.

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Clams aren't near as exciting as dinosaurs to talk about, but fossils are permineralized organic material of some kind, usually.

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So so it can range from dinosaurs to clams to all the above.

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It could be it could be coprolite. It could be feces of an animal for a long time.

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Fossils in this discussion of dinosaurs, you know, this idea of dinosaurs, part of why they're supposed to be so old is because it takes so long to fossilize something or it has to be the hard parts of things to fossilize.

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But that's not true either, because we find we find squid several years ago.

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A squid was found so well intact that the ink sac was still inky. So so there are things that over and over again in the fossil record like this octopus that suggest to us that we need to rewrite or rework over our worldview from time to time what a fossil is, what it can and what it can't be, those kinds of things.

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So soft bodied things do fossilized. It's more about conditions than it is about time.

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And really, the conditions have to be just right. I mean, to have a fish eating another fish, that means it has to be buried very quickly.

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It couldn't have just laid there dead, decomposing. We wouldn't have we wouldn't have these.

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There's a whole wall of these at the Field Museum in Chicago. I have seen them at numerous fossil shops.

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They they record they record a disaster that happened very quickly. And we since we see them all over the earth, that disaster had to be over the entire earth.

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So regardless of what the story says about dinosaurs, the fossil record, we have things in the fossil record we still have today.

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We have the coelacanth fish that was the classic index fossil for many, many years.

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That we thought was extinct. And then we find them off the coast of Madagascar. So all these things that we find in the fossil record, by and large, we still have today with the exception of a few things like dinosaurs.

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But we do we have lots and lots of things that that we still have today. By and large, if we have them in the fossil record, like the

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Castorites Ohioensis, the beavers in Ohio, they are five feet tall and weigh 300 pounds.

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So I'm kind of thankful we don't have them that big today. But but we're also always finding new things in the fossil record that we that we didn't think either existed or weren't there.

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Or in the case of a study released last week, last week, causing great stress for the evolutionary worldview.

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We have we have set in stone, fossilized a ceratopian dinosaur right here on the on the left hand side is a ceratopian dinosaur up and around the middle.

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And then in the middle of it there, you'll see a skull with a smaller skeleton.

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That is a badger sized mammal. This was put out in the science repository,

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I believe was the name of the article, the the journal put out last week.

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And the amazing thing about this was that that mammal should not be with with that dinosaur because because everybody knows that the evolutionary worldview is right.

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And mammals were never bigger than rats with the dinosaurs. Well, I'm sorry, that's not true.

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We have we have we have evidence to say otherwise. So again, we're challenged over and over again.

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Is this book trustworthy? Is this book trustworthy for all history? Is it only for biblical history?

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Is it is it is it for everything? And my my argument always is it is it is good for for all of history.

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And so that includes Dinosauria, which would have been made on day six when all land animals were made and completed with perfection and incompletion when he said good prior to making us in his image.

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So we were made on the same day as dinosaurs. That's my my position that the Bible takes.

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And as we look at the Bible, we will see words like Tenim or behemoth. These words can include dinosaurs.

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And so so when we start thinking and looking at dinosaurs specifically, we look at things like like this is a title of sore head.

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It's it's the research replica copy of a title of sore that was forty five feet long nicknamed

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Bunker. This is in our collection. This head is close to five feet long.

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Seventy plus teeth in his in his in his mouth and throat. I mean, the

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Lord designed some some very creative creatures. He has four six foot flippers. So he would have been he would have been made on day five with all other water animals.

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But these marine reptiles, this one specifically was found in in western

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Kansas. And so there's this argument that, well, western Kansas was covered by an inland sea.

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It's interesting. We find them in other places as well. Mosasaurus and and whatnot over quite a bit of different places in different continents.

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So that sea was was quite a bit larger one time. Or could we argue that it was a flood that covered the entire world that buried creatures like these?

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So it's about worldview in our collection. We also share and and bring to churches all over wherever we're invited.

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A 10 foot wingspan Toronodon also found in western Kansas, along with with quite a few other

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Toronodons anywhere between 10 foot, some up to 25 foot have been found in western

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Kansas and other places. These creatures would have been made on day five with all the other winged creatures.

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That's what they look like, spotted, not striped.

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We have no idea yet, yet. But I'll share some some things this evening that maybe you haven't heard that that are encouraging on the on the front of of finding more about these creatures in the fossil record.

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OK, this is our Albertosaurus. He's about he's about 15 feet long.

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He's about eight feet tall at his hips. He's a cousin of a T -Rex. Most likely he's a theropod dinosaur.

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Walks on his hind legs, has two fingers like like T -Rex does on his little bitty arms.

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Not near as thick bodied as T -Rex's were. They were they were usually much, much smaller than T -Rex's have been found.

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And so this creature would have been made on day six because he was a land animal. And so so very, very.

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Much similarity between the T -Rex that, you know, you never know if if maybe they would have been interfertile, we have no idea, we have no idea that some of our speciation within the theropods could have been could have been from from same created kind.

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Those kinds of ideas are things that need to continue to be studied. But in our collection, we also have this wonderful exhibit piece here.

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This is Gundy, the triceratops. She was found in South Dakota and she is about nine feet tall at her hips.

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And she's about, I don't know, I want to say 15 or 18 feet long. That head, that skull, one of the best preserved triceratops skulls ever found.

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And so we're privileged to have a research replica copy of her cast directly from the originals.

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And and so the same as you would see in any natural history museum. And so these wonderful creatures the

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Lord made on day six. So so the discussion comes up.

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Well, all these these animals, specifically T -Rex like Stan, which we have a copy of his head.

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You know, these creatures, they were huge, evil, carnivorous creatures.

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A lot of times we'll ask students, so how do you know he was carnivorous?

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Well, because he's got large teeth. Well, OK, so so does pointy teeth always mean meat eater?

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And quite simply, the answer is no, not always. I mean, even today, that does not follow suit.

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I was just in in Atlanta, Georgia last week, it was a month ago and got to see this wonderful, this wonderful panda, one of one of two twins in Atlanta Zoo.

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And she has wonderfully sharp teeth that she only ever eats bamboo or sugar cane.

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So if we found her head in the fossil record, we might make the assumption that she's carnivorous.

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And if the panda bears were all gone, that looking at her teeth, we might make the assumption that she is like her her omnivorous cousins that eat meat and and berries and other other plants.

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But we would be wrong. So so just because something has sharp teeth does not always mean meat eater.

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So so even these large creatures like Sue and these large, large T -Rexes, there's very much support now that many paleontologists argue that most likely at this size, they were they were scavengers and probably not heavy predators.

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But biblically, we would not had them eating meat because that would have meant death before sin when they were created.

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So there was no death before sin. The Bible is very, very clear about that. Death entered the world with sin.

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So any kai nefesh creature, any any blood containing animated creature was not was not eating each other prior to sin.

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So I get the question often, what is it that they ate? And I put forth

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Exhibit A. So this is me at the Kansas State Fair last year. I enjoyed going to state fairs.

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I enjoy going and seeing the the state record pumpkins and watermelons every year.

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And I've been going to the state fair for 30 plus years now with my wife and her family.

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And last year's record winning pumpkin was was was a thousand two hundred and eighty pounds.

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And all I can ever think of whenever I see one of these pumpkins or the one at Dollywood last fall, nineteen hundred and twelve pounds is, hey, that's a good meal for T -Rex before sin.

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So so they're they're fully equipped to be able to do those things. But see, in our ministry and my my goal is to try to influence those around me to affect their worldview, that the

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Bible and its history is right. And so we need to deal with questions that come up about these creatures.

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So. The most asked question I get is, well, why do we have them in the fossil record?

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What what happened to them? So when we look at the biblical timeline and we look at this nice red line that says the global flood in biblical history, we would have had them up to then.

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We have nothing indicating that they were extinct before then. So they were on the flood.

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My short answer to that is, by all means, they were on the flood, on the flood, on the ark. So so when we begin thinking about creatures like dinosaurs in the ark, when

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I'm teaching young people, they're they're they immediately look at me as if I have six heads because they're picturing

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Stan, the T -Rex, 40 foot long T -Rex on the ark, eating everything, including

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Noah. And quite simply, that's not what we would picture from what the

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Lord brought to the ark. The animals brought to the ark just needed to be able to reproduce when they get off. So why would he bring grandma and grandpa anything to the ark?

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So I very much ride in the position of a of juveniles, those that were ready to have babies when they got off of the ark at the end of a year, just over a year.

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So that impacts our worldviews on lots of animals, OK, from the size and all the above, which is a whole nother topic.

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But I love to go to Job. It's probably one of the one of the best references to me in the word of God of us living with dinosaurs.

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When the behemoth gets brought up in Job chapter 40, the description there over and over again is not describing what in some texts suggest as being the the elephant or the hippopotamus.

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But when you get down here to verse 17, as a lot of you may know this passage and are familiar with this passage, but those that don't, you need to go there.

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You need to read chapter 40, verse 15. Look at this footnote that may be in your Bible that says hippopotamus or elephant and then look at the poetic description of what this is that Job is being shown more than one of.

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But when we get to the verse 17 and his tail sways like a large tree, a cedar tree,

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I am reminded of what an elephant's tail looks like, and that is not a large tree.

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No one would ever argue that that tail is a large tree. Neither if the other option is this one, that is not a large tree also.

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So. When I go to places like the Field Museum in Chicago and I walk into the

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Great Hall there in this wonderful museum of specimens, their exhibits are by far great exhibits.

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But this animal, Patagotitan, is standing in the Great Hall. He is over 120 feet long.

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His tail there that connects to his hinder parts, those processes right there, are over five feet tall.

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His tail is close to 35 feet long. If you put muscle and skin on that tail, you would have an animal that has a tail that swayed like a large tree, poetically.

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Not to mention he ranks first among the works of God. To our knowledge and understanding of those things that are in the fossil record, alive or extinct today, these long neck sauropods are the largest things.

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And for Job to be seeing them, physically being shown them by the Lord, for him to trust the

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Lord, as the Lord is showing him, Job. Don't forget,

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I made all of these creatures, I made all these things in creation around you, and they only look to me.

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To be sustained, to be taken care of, to be whatever the case may be of what he was describing from chapters 38 on.

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But here in this chapter, he's showing Job the behemoth. He's showing him a sauropod dinosaur.

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This is hundreds of years after the flood. So for the behemoth to be shown to Job, they had to have been on the ark.

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That is a biblical understanding of that. So if we can take what the word of God says about the flood and what it did over the entire planet, which is more than evident in the descriptions given.

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So the school of thought out there that it was only local in Noah's area,

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I do not hold to that position and neither does the word of God, Old Testament or New Testament.

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And so being that it went over the entire planet, it would have laid down sedimentary layers of rock everywhere with dead stuff in it.

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So when we see the fossil record today, we should find things that suggest that and reinforce that in us.

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When we look at the time frame of when the flood was in the word of God, we're talking 4 ,300 years ago.

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So the things we will find there are not things that are millions or billions of years old.

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They are going to be things that are thousands of years old. There should be evidence in there of thousands of years old.

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So there's lots of different things that we see like that. Case in point, this creature here, this is an ichthyosaurus, possibly what they were colored like.

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But in our collection, we carry with us a 10 -foot ichthyosaur. And what's special about this ichthyosaur, the original of this is in the

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American Museum of Natural History in New York City. But this copy that we have clearly shows what the original does and that there are three infants.

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This is a female ichthyosaur. She is from Holtzmann, Germany. There are hundreds of ichthyosaurs around and near Holtzmann, Germany.

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That have been discovered and quite a few female ichthyosaurs. And so I was in my office, as I am often reading and studying, and I came across an article a year, year and a half ago about a an ichthyosaurus that was found down in Chile, in South America, and quite a bit larger, if memory serves me right,

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I want to say, I want to say 30 or 40 feet. And what was remarkable when

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I was reading this article was that this ichthyosaur in Chile was was pregnant.

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It was a female. She had infants. And it was like the light bulb went on for me for the first time of something that I had not connected before.

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And so I've begun a research project and I am looking for every female ichthyosaur that has ever been found on the planet to date.

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And so in my preliminary study, I came across four at least.

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So there's the one in Chile, there's the one that we carry a copy of that was found in Germany.

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The state fossil for Nevada is the ichthyosaur. And there's been one found there that's female and and as well as one in China.

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And the remarkable thing is, is that that all of them are pregnant. So we have pregnant female ichthyosaurs on at least four continents.

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And what was what was amazing when I began studying, I wanted to know what layers of rock did they find these ichthyosaurs in?

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Because in my understanding, if if we take the evolutionary understanding of the geologic column, so the

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Chilean one is the one that's closest to us in time, according to an evolutionary idea of 129 or 130 million years ago, all the way down to the oldest one, the one that's deepest in the rock record is is in China at 250 million.

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But what has become very evident to me and what my research project is, is the reason I'm looking for every female ichthyosaur is because most likely every female ichthyosaur on the planet is pregnant and shows that.

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So either if the evolutionary worldview is correct, you have to try to explain that every year as the female ichthyosaurs are pregnant, there's a natural disaster that would bury them.

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And so over the course of 120 million years of time, every time we find a female ichthyosaur that's pregnant, every one of those years just so happened to be a disaster when they were pregnant.

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Or the word of God's history is right. And they were all laid down during the course of the year at different depths based on where they were when the mud flows buried them.

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So I'm I'm on the hunt for female ichthyosaurs. I'll keep you posted how my study goes.

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But we are we have known and seen throughout history in every civilization on the planet, there are records of dragons, of other large reptiles, some breathe fire, some don't, some are winged, some don't.

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Many of you are familiar with the Tayprong Temple in Cambodia and the stegosaurus that has been found down there.

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I very much ride on the side that being a stegosaurus are the evolutionary colleagues have argued for years that that is either a rhinoceros or a chameleon.

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As my colleague Ryan always talks, you know, those two creatures are rhinoceros and a chameleon.

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I totally get those mixed up all the time, like they are so similar that I totally get those mixed up.

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But I'm afraid I'm afraid to tell you that every student that has ever seen this picture, not a one of them has ever said, well, that's a rhinoceros.

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Oh, that's a chameleon. Every time this picture is shown.

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Stegosaurus comes out of somebody's mouth. So so the work that has been done on this and many other places around the world showing that we have lived with them, it's just it's an ongoing record that that the word of God's history is right.

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So then in the late 90s, things began developing in paleontology that really has really changed quite a bit of paleontology and has stressed some quite heavily.

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It began with Mary Switzer and Jack Horner, and they're finding the soft tissue in the in the fossil record of a

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T -Rex in a femur bone of a T -Rex back in the late 90s.

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And and as I share often, you know, fossils are supposed to be rocks.

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The problem was in the middle of this femur bone, it was not petrified. It was not per mineralized.

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It was still original biomaterial to Mary's shock. It was it was still even stretchy.

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She made the the shocking discovery to her and paleontology world that there were red blood cells in that femur.

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I recall many, many articles that I've studied and interviews that I've that I've seen of Mary, as she has described how even in the midst of something that is supposed to be a scientific endeavor like paleontology, when something is discovered and you want to share the truth about it, what your discovery is and you've observed it and you've tested it and you've repeated that testing and you've verified it, that it's hemoglobin, that it's red blood cells, you're ready to publish your paper.

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There are those out there with different worldviews that argue don't publish the paper. That floors me that I don't get that if this is really about the science, why can't we just publish whatever we want to publish and let the peer review stand?

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But I know I know personally, gentlemen and ladies that have tried to publish papers and cannot get them published in secular journals, because quite simply, this is not about science.

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This is about worldview. This is about faith. This is a spiritual battle for our souls.

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That's how I see it, that's how I see it when I see a slide like this that is clearly red blood cells that has every test to prove that it's red blood cells, but continues to be argued that it is 90 million years old or older, depending on the sample.

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You know, Mary, her work has been phenomenal. She has went on and she has found red blood cell after red blood cell after red blood cell of multiple dinosaurs.

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And I am I am always astounded at the number of people that have never heard that we actually have red blood cells of dinosaurs.

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Like this information. Is out there readily available, but not taught often, and I have to argue that it has to be because it's very hard to explain that in a 66 million year extinction idea.

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And so as we were being locked down in covid a few years ago, Jack Horner and several others, including

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Mary Schweitzer, released the first. Absolutely confirming evidence of DNA at the top of this slide of dinosaur

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DNA discovered, and so now we have DNA. Of dinosaurs, no, this does not mean we are we are making a

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Jurassic Park or Jurassic world somewhere, we've seen the movies, we know how that turns out, so so it does mean that that we're finding things are even more fragile than a red blood cell in the fossil record that is supposed to be tens of millions of years old or hundreds even sometimes.

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So so it is it is remarkable to see the work of of Joel Tay and the continuing work of Bob Inyart and Joel Tay and Dr.

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Brian Thomas as they continue the list, the spreadsheet of biomaterial that has been listed in in papers in in peer reviewed journals.

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When I last checked it, it is still holding at one hundred and twenty two samples since nineteen fifty four hundred and twenty two samples of original soft biomaterial in the fossil record of memory surgery, ranging from from just a few million years old, supposed to be all the way up to like nine billion is the oldest on the which is just mind blowing to me that somebody can say it's original material has been there for nine billion with a

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B years. This is right.

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And the more we study, the more we observe, the more we discover. The Lord is allowing us to see that there are things out there that support the biblical record, like fully encased intact dinosaurs being found, not just bones any longer.

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This one, this a notice or found up in Alberta several years ago, I got to go to to Toronto, Canada, to the

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Royal Ontario Museum a few years back and see Zool. This is an ankylosaur that was found up in Montana and resides up there in Canada now at their museum.

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The paleontologist up there is the one who who brought it out of the fossil record and took it to Canada.

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That's his entire back on display, along with in between the spikes, the skin, some of the pigmentation is still in that skin and that scaly skin and that pigmentation they're suggesting makes this animal somewhere right around a a burnt orange to a reddish color.

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So for the first time in history, we're finding coloration of dinosaurs, the pigmentation still there.

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The tail is in another case around the corner from his back. The entire 10 foot tail is there.

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The twenty five and some pound ball on the end of his tail, Lord designed him with.

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But what's interesting to me about the tail is, is there in the middle of the tail where the vertebra should be, you should be able to see the vertebra.

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All you see are these long stringy things. Those are his muscles and his tendons still present on his tail.

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Along with these, you can see some of his his tail spikes. It was interesting on the way out of the museum, they they suggested this idea for what happened to Zuul.

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So Zuul died and was quickly washed into a river, likely during a flood. Monsoons were common in this area.

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Zuul may even have been killed by a flood, as I share often. I totally agree with that sign.

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But we're not talking about the same flood. So I very much believe that Zuul is a great evidence that the word of God, the history and the word of God, the event and the word of God of the flood that would have laid down layer upon layer upon layer of sedimentary layers of rock, which are by and large water laid down rock layers.

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They overwhelmingly support a judgment against sin that we read about in scripture.

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So as we look through these things and we start studying these things, it's just amazing to me.

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I don't know if you're familiar with Dr. Thomas's work and his biomaterial work and collagen work, original tissue work that he's been doing.

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But I know Dr. Thomas down at ICR in Dallas, Institute for Creation Research.

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His research has just floored me and others in the understanding that as he has sent samples off when working on his doctorate, sent samples off for carbon dating and all of the samples that would be dated between 10 million and 290 million year old samples in a conventional evolutionary worldview dating, every sample came back positive for radiocarbon and even under the 50 ,000 year threshold.

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All of that, again, points to things that are not near as old as we thought.

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As he continued his work, he sent 30 plus more samples, all of which have modern carbon in them.

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And as he stated in his doctoral thesis, as he made the comment, as he double checked things with the carbon dating laboratories, he made the realization that the carbon dating laboratories have zero carbon blank things.

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There's nothing ever been tested by them that is carbon blank. So that should tell us something about the whole radiometric dating process.

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Don't have time to get into this evening, but it's something that a lot of people will put in their head and in their worldview that this radiometric dating thing, this radiometric dating thing is the thing that says the

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Bible's history can't be right. Like that's the go to that says that all of this stuff in the fossil record is millions of years old and they simply don't understand.

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They've heard something. It's impacted their worldview and then it's impacted their worldview of how they read this.

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And so here at Creation Truth, that is that is a big thing that we try to cover and and talk about.

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But but the thing that that we get asked a lot about is what happened to him. I mean, Matt, come on. I mean, if they if they were if they were on the ark and they lived with us and we have all this evidence, why don't we have them today?

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Um, you know, the the asteroid idea is proposed is very much.

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The adopted, I guess, if you will, the adopted generalization of how they went extinct, but it was a very picky asteroid.

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It only killed the dinosaurs and nothing else that we have today that is in the fossil record with the dinosaurs and below the dinosaurs in the fossil record, which was even older than the dinosaur.

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But I as I share often there are over 50 plus extinction theories in peer reviewed scientific journals.

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They range from an asteroid. They range to volcanic activity. They range from very odd ones.

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I find very odd in scientific peer reviewed journals. We have we have alien extraterrestrial life came to the planet, killed them off or brought a virus of some kind that killed them off.

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Um, I don't know how you observe, test, repeat and falsify that in a peer reviewed journal, but that's an interesting one.

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Right. And then then the often always favorable one is the one that they produce methane gas that gas themselves to death.

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You know, if we take what the word of God says, there could be five different reasons why we don't have them anywhere between things that we lost during the ice age.

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They're not the only things that are extinct today. To our understanding, there are quite a few things that are extinct today, but the climate being changed.

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Through and after the flood from continental division, the habitat change to us, if if if our relationship with the animal kingdom changed, as I believe it did based on scripture in chapter nine of Genesis, maybe we've caused their extinction that never gets put in the in the ballpark.

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It never gets put in the think tank because we've always been told they've been gone millions of years before we ever showed up in the story.

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But that's quite simply not the case when we read when we read the word of God. And so tonight, these last few moments

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I've had with you, I want you to understand that dinosaurs are good news for the gospel.

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They're good news because one, they are, by and large, the ingredient that is used in a person's worldview to say the history here isn't right.

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And that is quite simply not true. And so when we look at the evidence for what the evidence actually can and cannot say, it continues to support this book.

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So tonight, as I as I close with you, I want I want to take you to to First Corinthians chapter 15.

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In First Corinthians chapter 15, there's a very important verse, verse 21 says, for since death came through a man.

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Notice it doesn't say a dinosaur, notice it doesn't say death came because it was weeding out all of the less fit in an evolutionary worldview.

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No, death came through a man. The resurrection of the dead comes also through a man, for as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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The good news tonight is, is that dinosaurs do not cause a problem for the word of God, do not cause a problem for the gospel and do not cause a problem for the cross, because in a worldview, if your worldview has death before sin.

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Then there is a major problem and consistency in your worldview with the cross, why would

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Jesus have to physically die on a cross if death was already here? So tonight,

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I need you to understand when Nicodemus came to Jesus in John chapter three, and Jesus is telling all of these great things to Nicodemus and he says to him in verse 12,

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I have told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

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Like if we cannot trust this book and what he has given to us here, what makes us think we can trust the promises for our destiny?

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But because we can trust this, because we can go see and check what this book says.

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Then we know that we do not have to have blind faith in the promises for our destiny. This book is reinforced over and over and over and over again as absolute truth.

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So tonight, I'm just thankful for the opportunity to share some of these things that I've spent 17 plus years of my life studying, and it's been great to be with you guys tonight.

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And I'll turn this back over to Terri. For whatever's next. Well, that was really great, we've enjoyed it, we've had a fun time,

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I think, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm thinking, you know, we break down science as historical science and observable science.

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And it's fun, especially for us in the creation camp to see things in our lifetimes that are observable proof, like to just set the evolution theories on their heels.

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Like, I think Mount St. Helens was like the three top things. Mount St. Helens, like totally interrupted their idea of radiometric reading.

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And then dinosaur soft tissue. And then the James Webb Space Telescope.

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Yes. Like all those. Yes, this last year. I mean, we know that they're still going to have their rescuing devices, because at the end of the day, they know that God exists, but they're working on ways to pretend he doesn't.

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Yes. Oh, yes. If you don't want to ride with him and know who you are in him, then you've got to come up with another explanation.

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Yeah, but it's exciting. And we do have some questions. Robin has some to start with. So, Robin, ask your questions to start with.

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I was wondering about that where you had, you said the two dinosaurs were together. Yes. Were they snuggling?

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I mean, how were they? So the article. Yeah, the article.

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OK, so the article actually. It actually says that the mammal is biting the stomach of the

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Saratopian dinosaur and then his foot is in his mouth, if you see that down there, see if I'm trying to remember if I zoom in a little bit so you see the foot down there.

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I don't know if I can. Let me see if I can. I can see that. It almost looks like this is his foot.

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This is the mammal's head here and then body, you know, and obviously.

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That could be what's going on, or it could be two creatures trying to survive as they're being buried in a mud flow.

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And so they're grasping whatever they can grasp a hold of to try to stay afloat, to try to stay up, who knows what it could be.

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It could be a predatory scenario here, but we really don't know.

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But it's interesting for for them to in their articles, if you go read the articles, it's just it's been it's been fun to read.

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Wow. OK, this may have to have us change our thoughts about mammals. So I'm thankful we don't have to.

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So I have never seen this picture before. It was almost a little haunting.

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Yes, I thought it was it is at first I thought it was an egg with a dinosaur still in it, like a baby dinosaur or something.

01:00:00

It is a sitakasaurus. It's a ceratopian dinosaur. That's what they've named it as the badger sized mammal.

01:00:10

I don't even know how to pronounce that. Rapinoe, Rapinoe mamas robustus.

01:00:17

But it was discovered in 2012 over in China, but it is just now hit the peer review stage and hit the journals.

01:00:28

Just this last week. Oh, wow. OK, probably why I'm not seeing it. Yeah, it's brand brand new, brand new.

01:00:35

Then the other question I have was about that fish with the eating the the other fish.

01:00:41

Yes, I see that often. Is that just the one or are there many examples?

01:00:47

No, no, no, no. Many, many, many. OK, I've been in fossil stores all over the place and they're all actual fossils and they're they're of different fish.

01:00:57

Like I said, there's a whole wall exhibit wall at the Field Museum in Chicago that's probably six or eight feet tall with,

01:01:06

I don't know, maybe 10 or 10 or 12 different specimens on it. All exactly the same fish eating other fish.

01:01:13

But not the same fish eating. Not the same. No. OK, because I wondered about that.

01:01:18

So we find that often. The other question I had was about the color.

01:01:24

Now you're saying that what all dinosaurs are just that Zool was.

01:01:30

No, no, no, just Zool. They're arguing these these inkylosaurs could have been reddish orange brown.

01:01:36

Then why in the picture do they have them as green and turquoise? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that that that this whole little exhibit here, this little comic, it's very comic booky.

01:01:52

But that that same question came across my mind as well. If if and maybe they my only answer would be, which without asking anybody, they made the exhibit as they were doing their research.

01:02:05

And so what they also what I didn't share about the the spikes, some of those spikes are not fossilized all the way through.

01:02:11

They actually have keratin on the inside, non fossilized. And so they make that that acknowledgment in one of their signs and part of the exhibit as well.

01:02:21

And so, again, a not totally fossilized dinosaur. So and how long can that last?

01:02:29

Currents, not a rare occurrence. How long can that exist, by the way? Listen, even for forty three hundred years, that has got to be buried just right in just the right conditions.

01:02:47

That's so crazy. OK, and so well, Robin, were you done with your questions? Yes, that has concluded my questions.

01:02:55

OK, I have a follow up question to the fish eating fish. I mean, that's like one of the most commonly used like for creation studies, like to indicate that it happened rapidly.

01:03:08

I mean, it was very rapid. How do evolutionists explain that away? You know,

01:03:14

I've never heard a really great explanations for it, and I don't even recall what they what they talk about if they even try to give an explanation at the

01:03:21

Field Museum, I don't recall because.

01:03:27

Everybody knows how how quickly a fish will eat his lunch. They generally do not sit there and just gnaw on them.

01:03:35

They're not like a snake or another reptile. It slowly, slowly gorges themselves on there.

01:03:41

It's usually a very quick thing. So I don't know. I have never researched that to see what what kind of story they come up with to say, well, yeah, we find them all over the place.

01:03:55

But it just so happens every time there's a disaster, there is a fish eating a fish.

01:04:04

It's crazy to think. I know, you know, we've been meeting online since May of 2020, but but many of the core members of our group met for like 10 years at the actual

01:04:16

Creation Earth History Museum in Santee, California. So we're not newbies, but sometimes it's good for us.

01:04:25

Like for one thing, it's good for us to get refreshers. We love that you brought some brand new information like that picture and stuff.

01:04:32

But also sometimes, you know, when we go out and we talk to people, maybe when we talk to people about, oh, but maybe you don't know about the fact that there's this, this and that.

01:04:45

And and they're not very well educated. So it's easy to tell them and get their eyes open.

01:04:51

But when we run into people who are more advanced in their study of evolution, like it's good for us to have counter arguments.

01:04:59

It's like if we said, but look at this fish eating this fish. How do you explain that? And then like it's good for us to be ready for the next layer.

01:05:07

You know, like we get their question, their answer. So, you know, so sometimes I think about those things, too.

01:05:13

Those those next level questions. But well, we do have a couple other questions in the in the comments back to the dinosaur fossil that I think it's at the

01:05:24

Smithsonian. And her name is Sue. Oh, she's at the Field Museum.

01:05:29

Yes. So we'd like to know how you know that it's a female and not. And we know it's not because her name is

01:05:36

Sue, although somebody made a joke. And yes, yes. No, there have been some suggestions studying, actually studying

01:05:44

Sue and Stan, the the one that we have a copy of of the head. There have been suggestions that Sue could be by just looking at those two because they're very similar size.

01:05:54

Sue is larger, a little bit like a foot and a half longer somewhere right around that than than Stan.

01:06:02

But they're very, very close to the same size. So they've studied their hips. And so my understanding is they're suggesting that Sue could be a female and Stan actually could be a male, even though that has nothing to do with the bearing of their names because the hips are a little wider on Sue.

01:06:20

And so her girth, she's a little bit she's a little bit wider. So the idea is quite possibly she could be the one birthing and giving birth to two

01:06:30

T -Rex's, so therefore laying eggs. And so for T -Rex's, so therefore, that's the argument that I have heard and read about that Stan has thinner hips.

01:06:42

I've always just kind of called her her and Stan a him. And really, do we have great evidence that I that I believe that's that's that we can be dogmatic about it?

01:06:52

No, I don't think so. But but that's my that's my position. There may be somebody else in your audience.

01:06:57

It's like, no, there's there's really good evidence for that. So so so please correct me if you think

01:07:03

I'm wrong on that. So no, it was it was my question. I had forgotten about it. And and you were actually getting at what

01:07:10

I was wondering because, you know, in the female pelvis, we actually you can tell us apart by our pelvis in a male from the female.

01:07:18

So I was just wondering if that was the case with the dinosaurs. That's been suggested with T -Rex's.

01:07:24

Yes. OK, thank you. And you said that's at the Field Museum. Field Museum in Chicago.

01:07:30

Yes. OK, she's no longer in the Great Hall where I took this picture years ago. That's where Patagotitan is now a long neck.

01:07:38

She's now been been moved into the Hall of Evolution. Regretfully, that's that's too bad.

01:07:44

And, you know, one of our very first I'll just mention this, one of our very first presentations, but we weren't able to record it was with Steven Policastro from International Association for Creation.

01:07:58

So you know that he his team, one of the things that they do is they do tours of museums like this, but with creation experts.

01:08:08

And so you can walk through, you can take a, you know, like field trips or anything like that. So I thought

01:08:13

I'd mention that's always a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's such a blessing that people can do that.

01:08:18

So if people are watching and they'd like more information, you guys can email us at creationfellowshipsanti at gmail .com.

01:08:25

Next question, we have a couple of people in our group who are heading to Scotland in the next couple of weeks.

01:08:33

Diane's here with us, and she said that she's definitely planning to visit Loch Ness, but she'd like your thoughts about that.

01:08:41

I was wondering when that was coming. That's a usual question, also what my opinion is on Nessie.

01:08:47

You know, I listen, I have no issues that it could have been a plesiosaur that we've had post flood.

01:08:53

No issues with that whatsoever. Most descriptions are of a long neck plesiosaur.

01:09:00

Personally, I've not seen great evidence for it recently. I've had some

01:09:05

YouTube videos, recent YouTube videos sent to me by some of some of our followers, our supporters.

01:09:11

Matt, what do you think of this video? And I'm watching this video and it's a bunch of ripples on on on lock on the lock.

01:09:18

And I'm thinking, yeah, those are ripples. Those are anyway. So do we still have thing or do we have the possibility of still having things like that?

01:09:28

I will always leave my my world view open. I'm sure when it comes to things in the water,

01:09:35

I have a very, very, very hard time going. Well, we know those things are all extinct.

01:09:40

I mean, that's just that's that's where I sit. I mean, like for me to go, we know every square inch of everything.

01:09:47

And when over and over again, we see and read about brand new things that we didn't even know was out there.

01:09:55

I'm like, come on, we can't we can't dogmatically say all of this stuff is extinct.

01:10:02

Do I think we may not have it any longer? I'm kind of I ride on that side. I don't think there's been good evidence recently that that Nessie's been around.

01:10:12

So we may have lost him or her. But but but if I went to Scotland, would

01:10:20

I go? Absolutely. That would be like one of my first stops in Scotland. So you completely are echoing my thoughts.

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But are you are you only going to Scotland is the question. Am I going to Scotland?

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Are you only going to Scotland? No, I'm going to Ireland, too. OK, I cannot remember where the

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Carlisle Cathedral is. Is that on your list? No. Should it be on Carlisle Cathedral?

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I'm trying to think if I have a picture. If you get to the Carlisle Cathedral, the guy is buried with a dinosaur picture, the dinosaurs on the brass and inscription.

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Yeah, yeah. And the floor on the floor. They asked him to pull back the rug for you. You want to see the inscriptions.

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That's what you got to ask for. I've been told if we can work that in on our friend, June is going with me to the

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Ireland part of the trip. But there are long neck dinosaurs in that inscription on the floor of the

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Carlisle Cathedral. I'll have to see. Yes. Work that out. That would be fun to see that, too.

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But the boat I'm going out, I'm going on a boat trip on Loch Ness and they have sonar. So I'm going to keep my eyes open.

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We'll find him and bring back, bring back that evidence. All right. Again, to me, to me.

01:11:41

OK, so if we find it. That, again, continues to support the word of God. Absolutely.

01:11:48

I mean, that's where I would write on that. So I have no issues with it whatsoever. Yeah, but I I have to ask,

01:11:55

Matt, you were saying that Nessie could have died.

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You know, I mean, we've been seeing Nessie for so long and we haven't had recent sightings.

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I it's entirely possible that she could have died and been eaten by critters. Yes. By all means.

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It could be that that was the last of her species or his species. Very well could be. Because it's

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Loch Ness. We always call her her, but yeah. But but yeah, she could have been the last one of her species.

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But I, I, I believe that there's a good possibility that she was there, that there was something there.

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So and I'm going to look for it. Well, good. Get some get some good pictures.

01:12:46

I know I will. Well, that's the end of our questions,

01:12:51

Matt. So what we can do now is I'll give you a little time to just remind people how they can find you, find you.

01:12:58

I know I took your slide down, but but I wanted people to be able to see your face. So so if you can remind people how to find you and then

01:13:07

I'll close out. And then if you can hang back with us for a few more minutes, in case anybody has something to ask in the

01:13:12

Zoom room, that would be really great. Again, I thank you for the opportunity this evening. Our ministry is

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Creation Truth Foundation. You can find us best place to find us is at our website, creation truth dot com.

01:13:25

The guys up in Montana do great work. They're creation truth dot org. But but we're dot com.

01:13:32

And we're from Noble, Oklahoma, just south of Norman, which is kind of central

01:13:37

Oklahoma City area. And we travel all over the country. And our mission statement states very clearly that we train disciples to trust the

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Bible's history for its accuracy so that we may trust the Bible's promises for our destiny.

01:13:52

And that's what we do when we carry our museum. And as I mentioned earlier, or it was mentioned, maybe

01:13:58

Terry mentioned it right when you go to our website, you'll see a little promo trailer of of our fossil collection that we bring to churches and and we come in and we preach and teach and and to trust the word of God and its history.

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01:14:21

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Lord invites us to to take his word. Praise the Lord. OK, well, thank you for joining us.

01:14:43

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01:15:04

Next week, we're going to have a very special speaker. He's Brad Dacus, the president of Pacific Justice Institute.

01:15:12

You might be familiar with them because they're a a law firm that supports churches and Christians in the workplace.

01:15:21

And Matt actually just mentioned our destiny. That's the title of his presentation next week.

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