The Good News of Dinosaurs

Creation Fellowship and the Speaker’s Background

Okay, and the live stream, there we go. Okay, so I'm Terri Cammerzell and I'm here on behalf of Creation Fellowship C &T. We're a group of friends bound by our common agreement that the creation account, as told in Genesis, is a true depiction of how God created the world and all life in six days, just about 6 ,000 years ago.

We've been meeting on this online platform since May of 2020 and we've been blessed with a great variety of speakers who have covered a blend of topics of creation science, other theology topics, and even some cultural relative events.

And so you can find we've had over 70 speakers and we now have a consolidated archives page to make it easy to videos of those presentations. You can type in tinyurl .com forward slash cfs archives, that's C like creation, F like fellowship, and S like Santee.

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We won't spam you but we will send you links to all of our upcoming speakers so that you don't miss any of them. Tonight we're blessed to have a definitely a creation science presentation. We love dinosaurs and the fact that they point so incredibly to God's creativity and to the and so tonight we have Matt Miles.

He's the president of Creation Truth Foundation and has been with CTF since January of 2006. He's a graduate of Manhattan Christian College and since then Matt has effectively served the Lord in three different Kansas churches as youth pastor.

Matt's burden for today's church has led him to serve the CTF ministry as student worldview director through their in-house program called SWAT, student worldview advanced training. Matt is a well-studied preacher and teacher of Bible origins and has through much study developed an excellent program in biblical astronomy.

He is a very talented communicator with young people of all ages and is becoming a much sought after speaker in Christian youth camps and youth training programs. Over the last several years the Lord has broadened Matt's ministry scope to include whole congregations with growing recognition and we'll let him tell you a little more about his traveling dinosaur exhibits as well.

So Matt with that we're happy to turn it.

Dinosaurs, Worldview, and Biblical Authority

Over to you. Thank you Terri. It is great to be with you guys this evening. It is it's always good to be able to share the word of God and and if I get the opportunity to talk about dinosaurs even better yet that's a great combo to me and it has not always been a great combo for me.

You know as I thought about what I wanted to share this evening I was spurred on by the Lord to let you guys know as I travel I come across people that range quite a bit in their understanding of dinosaurs.

From total don't care anything about dinosaurs folks to folks that believe they have it all under control especially like third to sixth grade young men think they know everything about dinosaurs. Usually can name more dinosaurs than even I but it's always fun to come across people that that have never ever thought about dinosaurs and the Bible or have just compartmentalized them into into okay there's this dinosaur pre-history thing and then there's the Bible.

And so as I as I share everywhere I travel and I get the opportunity to preach and teach is that I I share I'm 100 biased to this book. This is absolute truth it is not it is not contained some truth it is not kind of truth it it is truth.

That's where I'm coming from and that's where I always come from when I'm teaching on whatever subject that I'm going to be teaching on and and so tonight as we as we talk about dinosaurs I've I've termed a message called the good news of dinosaurs because I've I've heard over and over again wow those creatures were horrible they were evil they were this they were that and quite simply we don't have great background on them other than their fossils that's what we that's what we have and so so sometimes they get a bad rap I believe but I know for me personally they were an issue that I could never give an answer to you know growing up in a Christian household accepting and and and being saved when I was when I was 13.

I never rode with the idea of the evolutionary worldview of of us coming from primates or some common ancestor of a primate. I never rode with that in science class but anytime anytime the age of the earth got brought up or dinosaurs or the fossil record got brought up I never had a great answer biblically like it was never discussed at church I never thought to even ask the question at church and so it just kind of it was kind of that other world that other that other part of history.

But as I've gotten older I've understood listen history if we don't see history in the lens and through the pages of the word of God first we are going to be missing things and definitely our worldview is going to be skewed and so so this presentation talking about the good news of dinosaurs has really come out of of my own journey that the Lord's brought me through as as I met Dr. Sharp a founder of our ministry Creation Truth Foundation when I met him back in in 01 my world was was and my worldview was very much transitioned in this area specifically and when I first heard some of the things that Dr. Sharp began began teaching that our ministry shows with our with our dinosaur collection and all the above I sat there that that afternoon going wow okay one this makes sense.

Two I didn't understand why I'd never heard it. I didn't understand why it had taken me 20 some years of my life 30 some years of my life before I'd heard this and so I I got pretty mad I got I got very mad as to why I I had never heard it or had never come across it and and it just started me on this journey and and this worldview development that that ultimately led me to this ministry the Lord led me with Dr. Sharp's help to this ministry 17 years ago and and so five years ago when when Dr. Sharp handed me the mantle of the presidency of this ministry I I took it in a very it was very overwhelming thing to me.

But but the challenge that that Doc has put before me and the Lord has put before me is one that I I am fully ready to take on and do every day whenever asked and that is sharing the truth of the word of God.

Dinosaurs in Culture, Media, and the Geologic Column

And so our topic tonight of of dinosaurs and good news I mean most of us know and understand that dinosaurs affect our lives they influence our food which is quite interesting because just this this idea here of pre-chewed chicken in the shape of dinosaurs you know what what what surprised me is is that nobody has jumped on this yet and tried to argue that that they're just dinosaur nuggets period that they're not even chicken because chickens are supposed to be dinosaurs.

That's what we hear everywhere now. So either way the dinosaurs have influenced us every one of us I don't care who you are dinosaurs have influenced us. The issue becomes is is how have they influenced us.

Has it just been in cartoons as we grew up with even the Flintstones being closer to biblical reality than I ever understood as I watch them now I think huh totally not following the evolutionary worldview whatsoever when they have humans and domesticated dinosaurs.

But obviously all of these other things like land before time dinosaur terrain very much educating our our youth and our students today with a with a false worldview a worldview that is not grounded in in scripture not grounded in biblical history and and will cause an issue as we go to museums and we see great creatures that have lived on the earth like sue here at the field museum in Chicago largest t-rex ever found to date she's a great specimen.

Um but they do they influence everybody and we we learn things from museums we learn things from books like Dr. Seuss even in Dr. Seuss uh Dr. Seuss mentions that it wasn't hundreds or thousands but millions of years long before you were born.

So this worldview of of epic ages and and millions and billions of years of time are ground into us from a very very early age especially with this dinosaur thing. And so for me personally I could never answer that I never knew how to answer that.

Um I couldn't have told you I think if as a high schooler I couldn't even have told you that the biblical history was 6 ,000 years. Um it was just something that that for me I if it was taught I never caught and quite honestly I I've always been kind of a science guy so uh it's been an interesting thing for me to to study these things and and see how important worldview is uh for all the above.

Um and so so when it comes to dinosaurs probably the most influential thing has been the Jurassic Park series. Um for most of us and especially uh these generations right around us now the Millennials and others um this movie series is is less movie and much more documentary to them.

Um I know this because of questions that I ask when I go to camps or whatever that when I'm spending time with youth and I will ask specific questions that I have of things that I know were taught in Jurassic Park or Jurassic World and so I will get those things regurgitated back to me and along with all of the above especially with the with the newest series in Jurassic World and the most recent one with fully feathered dinosaurs now on film.

Um none of them have been there prior to this last one. Um but its influence is very very heavy. Um you know our students our youth today they don't take the the time to go see and check how much of these dinosaurs that they're seeing in film are real or or even how many of these dinosaurs we have fossils for.

So for instance the pyroraptor just to to affect and challenge worldviews this evening. Um this pyroraptor uh no more than about 40 percent of this animal has ever been found and it's literally no taller than my knee.

Um in the fossil record we've never found them larger than that and by no means have we ever found even a remote feather on the few pieces we have of this animal so that to have them fully feathered um six to seven feet tall.

Um and and living in a cold environment or even swimming in ice cold water we have nothing that supports that whatsoever. And and being that they were reptilian and and lizards they were most likely cold blooded.

I'm on that side i'm not on the warm blooded side at all. They do not have the pieces and parts that need that are needed uh to be warm-blooded. Um but that is what is argued now very heavily predominantly because the idea is we have to try to explain them in an evolutionary worldview.

So let's have the theropod dinosaurs turning into chickens. That seems to be the most exciting thing lately and so uh and so that's what i i get to deal with on an ongoing basis. But but really it comes down to worldview.

So everywhere we go and we we teach and preach we want people to understand. You have a worldview you have this set of beliefs. Um everything you've ever learned in your entire life continues to build on your worldview.

So if if you've only ever been taught that dinosaurs died 66 million years ago and that is the updated date so if you're still using 65 million you you're you're not following the the right story. Um it's 66 now.

Um it's a it's an ever-evolving story to be quite honest so this worldview if your worldview rides there and that the asteroid struck somewhere near the yucatan peninsula and and caused the chink shaloop crater that's the going worldview of dinosaurs and what happened to them.

Um what's funny is is a lot of people just never really asked the right questions to go. Okay but what about this or what about that. Um that we've had in the fossil record before the asteroid and we still have today.

Um all of those things uh do does everybody agree that the chink shaloop crater is from an asteroid. So what i find is is is a lot of people were like me some of us we just we didn't care we didn't think it was important.

Um we think dinosaurs are fun. Um and so that that all feeds into our worldview. But everybody has a worldview everybody has something they believe to be true and so whatever that is is how we we guide our life.

Uh it's how we see things and so so today it's becoming more and more of a challenge with with young people to to impact their lives with truth. Um this day and age we have lots and lots of access to information but all the information is not necessarily good.

So uh we must do what we can in worldview development especially with youth in our families for sure and in our churches also to impact um their lives with this book with the bible. And so this evening as we as we talk about dinosaurs i i i often will share this slide this graphic to show the idea of the differences between the biblical understanding of how everything got here and the evolutionary understanding of how everything got here.

Um they're they're diametrically opposed. There are those that want to come and fuss and argue with me that that god could have used evolution. And i totally agree he could have but he didn't tell us he did.

So it goes against everything else in scripture. Um let alone the first chapter. Um so so tonight with with dinosaurs i want to begin with one verse in exodus chapter 20. As we most of us recall and know in exodus chapter 20 we find the 10 commandments.

There's an interesting verse in there in verse 11 it says. For in six days the lord made the heavens and the earth to see and all that is in them. And he rested on the seventh day. He clearly states in his own finger in stone the lord states that he has made everything in six days.

And he uses the word all that word in the hebrew means all. Does it mean some. Does it mean kind of most of it uh means all. So that means everything that has ever existed was created in those first six days.

Dinosaurs, Fossils, and the Flood

So if we're talking about dinosaurs they are land-dwelling reptiles. They walk upright on their hips. They are different than any of any reptiles we have today. All of our present-day reptiles uh all walk with their with their arms out.

Um their hip structure is totally different than uh than that that we find in dinosaurs. Um and so what we're what we're left with is is we we have this column this geologic column that we've all seen that we've all been taught about.

Um this stack of rocks that nowhere on the planet does it exist except for in our textbooks. Um most times uh uh i've asked a lot of people you know how did we come up with this geologic column. Like who stacked them.

Who named them who indexed fossildom. Who put the dates to them. How'd we get the dates. All the above i have had less than a handful of people ever give me even remotely the history behind this. Um we most of us have been taught this is the geologic column.

These are index fossils. This is how old it is. So there it is don't need to question it. It's a done deal. Um the problem is it's not a done deal. It's not. It's not what what it's been advertised as.

And uh and so so this this geologic column the pieces and parts when they're stacked they are not epic periods of of time of history they are. They are a disaster a judgment against sin um all laid down within a within a year's time by and large.

Um and so so when we study things that are in them like fossils fossils are rocks. A lot of people i come across when you say fossil they immediately your their brain goes to a dinosaur bone. And especially with kids.

Um they don't like talking about that out of the observed fossil record over 95 of the observed fossil record is clams. Clams aren't near as exciting as dinosaurs. Um to talk about. Um but fossils are per mineralized organic material of some kind usually so um so it can range from dinosaurs to clams to all the above.

It could be it could be coprolite it could be feces of an animal. Um for a long time fossils in this discussion of dinosaurs you know this idea of of dinosaurs part of why they're supposed to be so old is because it takes so long to fossilize something or it has to be the hard parts of things to fossilize.

But that's not true either because we find we find squid. Uh several years ago a squid was found uh so well intact that the ink sac was still inky. So so there are things that over and over again in the fossil record like this octopus that suggest to us that we need to rewrite or rework over our worldview from time to time what a fossil is what it can and what it can't be.

Um those kinds of things so soft-bodied things do fossilize. It's more about conditions than it is about time. Um and really the conditions have to be just right. I mean to have a fish eating another fish that means it has to be buried very quickly.

Um it couldn't have just laid there dead decomposing. Uh we wouldn't have the we wouldn't have these. There's a whole wall of these at the field museum in chicago i have seen them at numerous fossil shops.

They they record they record a disaster that happened very quickly. Um and we since we see them all over the earth that disaster had to be over the entire earth. Um so regardless of what the story says about dinosaurs the fossil record um we have things in the fossil record we still have today.

We have this the coelacanth fish that was the classic index fossil for many many years that we thought was extinct. And then we find them off the coast of madagascar. So all these things that we find in the fossil record by and large we still have today with the exception of a few things like dinosaurs.

Um but we do we have lots and lots of things that that we still have today by and large if we have them in the fossil record like the castorites ohioensis the beavers in ohio they are five feet tall and weigh 300 pounds.

Um so i'm kind of thankful we don't have them that big today. Um but but we're also always finding uh new things in the fossil record that we that we didn't think either existed or weren't there. Or in the case of a study released last week last week causing great stress for the evolutionary worldview we have we have set in stone fossilized a ceratopian dinosaur.

Uh right here on the on the left hand side is a ceratopian dinosaur up and around the middle and then in the middle of it there you'll see a skull with a smaller skeleton that is a badger size mammal.

Um this was put out in the science repository i believe was the name of the article uh the the journal um put out last week and uh the amazing thing about this was that that mammal should not be with with that dinosaur because because everybody knows that the evolutionary worldview is right and mammals were never bigger than rats with the dinosaurs.

Well i'm sorry that's not true. Um we have we have we have evidence to say otherwise. Um so again we're challenged over and over again is this book trustworthy. Is this book trustworthy for all history.

Is it only for biblical history. Is it. Is it. Is it for everything. Um and my my argument always is it is it is good for for all of history. Um and so that includes dinosauria which would have been made on day six when all land animals were made and completed with perfection and incompletion when he said good prior to making us in his image so we were made on the same day as dinosaurs.

That's my my position that the bible takes. Um and as we look at the bible we will see words like tanim or behemoth. These words can include dinosaurs. Um and so so when we start thinking and looking at dinosaurs specifically we look at things like like this is a titanosaur head.

Um it's it's the uh research replica copy of a titanosaur that was 45 feet long nicknamed bunker. Um this is in our collection this head is is close to five feet long um 70 plus teeth in his in his in his mouth and throat i mean the lord designed some some very creative creatures.

He has four six foot flippers. Um so he would have been he would have been made on day five with all other water animals. Um but these marine reptiles this one specifically was found in in western kansas.

And so there's this argument that well western kansas was covered by an inland sea. Um it's interesting we find them in other places as well mosasaurs and and whatnot over quite a bit of different places in different continents.

So uh that sea was was quite a bit larger at one time or could we argue that it was a flood that covered the entire world that buried creatures like these. So it's about world view in our collection we also share and and bring uh to churches all over wherever we're invited.

Um a 10-foot wingspan pteranodon also found in western kansas. Um along with with quite a few other pteranodons anywhere between 10 foot some up to 25 foot have been found um in western kansas and other places.

Um these creatures would have been made on day five with all the other winged creatures that's uh um what they look like spotted not striped we have no idea yet yet but i'll share some some things this evening that maybe you haven't heard that uh that are encouraging on the on the front of of finding more about these creatures in the fossil record.

Okay this is our albertosaurus. Uh he's about he's about 15 feet long he's about eight feet tall at his hips. Uh he's a cousin of a t-rex most likely he's a theropod dinosaur walks on his hind legs has two fingers like uh like t-rex does on his little bitty arms not near as thick bodied as t-rexes were.

Um they were they were usually much much smaller than t-rexes have been found. Um and so uh this creature would have been made on day six because he was a land animal. Um and so so very very much similarity between the t-rex that uh you know you never know if if maybe they would have been interfertile.

Um we have no idea we have no idea that some of our speciation within the theropods could have been could have been from from same created kind. Uh those kinds of ideas are things that need to continue to be studied.

Um but in our collection we also have this wonderful uh exhibit piece here uh uh this is gundy the the triceratops. She was found in south dakota um and uh she is about nine feet tall at her hips and she's about uh well i don't know i want to say 15 or 18 feet long.

Uh that head that skull uh one of the best preserved triceratops skulls ever found. And so we're privileged to have a research replica copy of her uh cast directly from the originals and uh and so the same as you would see in any natural history museum.

Um and so these wonderful creatures the lord made on day six um so so the discussion comes up. Well all these these animals specifically t-rex like stan which we have a copy of his head um you know these creatures they were huge evil carnivorous creatures.

I a lot of times will ask students so um how do you know he was carnivorous. Well because he's got large teeth. Well okay so so does pointy teeth always mean meat eater. And the quite simply the answer is no not always i mean even today that does not follow suit.

Um i was just in in atlanta georgia um last week uh was a month ago and got to see um this wonderful this wonderful panda one of one of two twins in atlanta zoo uh and she has wonderfully sharp teeth that she only ever eats uh bamboo or sugar cane.

Um so if we found her head in the fossil record we might make the assumption if the panda bears were all gone that looking at her teeth we might make the assumption that she is like her her uh omnivorous uh cousins that eat meat and and berries and other other plants.

But we would be wrong. Um so so just because something has sharp teeth uh does not always mean meat eater. So so even these large creatures like sue and these large large t-rexes um there's very much uh support now that many paleontologists argue that most likely at this size they were they were scavengers and probably not heavy predators.

Um but biblically we would not had them eating um meat because they're that would have meant death before sin when they were created. So there was no death before sin. The bible is very very clear about that death entered the world with sin.

Uh so any cayenne effects creature any any blood containing animated creature uh was not uh was not eating each other prior to sin. So i get the question often what is it that they ate. And i put forth exhibit a so this is me at the kansas state fair last year i enjoyed going to state fairs.

I enjoy going and and seeing the the state record pumpkins and watermelons every year. Um and i've been going to the state fair for 30 plus years now with my wife and her family and last year's record winning pumpkin was was was a thousand two hundred and eighty pounds and all i can ever think of whenever i see one of these pumpkins or the one at dollywood last fall at 1912 pounds um is hey that's a good meal for t-rex before sin.

Um so so they're they're fully equipped to be able to do those things. But see in our ministry and my my goal is to try to influence those around me to affect their world view that the bible and its history is right.

And so we need to deal with questions that come up about these creatures. Um so the most asked question i get is well why do we have them in the fossil record. What what happened to them. Um so when we look at the biblical timeline and we look at this nice red line that says the global flood in biblical history um we would have had them up to then we have nothing indicating that they were extinct before then.

Um so they were on the flood. My short answer to that is by all means they were on the flood on the flood on the ark. Um so so when we begin thinking about creatures like dinosaurs in the ark when i'm teaching young people they're they're.

They immediately look at me as if i have six heads because they're picturing stan the t-rex 40 foot long t-rex on the ark eating everything including noah. Um and quite simply that's not what we would picture from what the lord brought to the ark.

The animals brought to the ark just needed to be able to reproduce when they get off. So why would he bring grandma and grandpa anything to the ark. Um so i i very much ride in the position of a of juveniles those that were ready to have uh babies when they got off of the ark at the end of a year uh just over a year.

So um that impacts our world views on lots of animals. Okay from the size and and all the above which is a whole nother topic but i i love to go to jobe. It's it's probably one of the one of the best references to me in the word of god of us living with dinosaurs.

Um when the behemoth gets brought up in jobe chapter 40 um the description there over and over again is not describing what in in in some texts suggest as being the the elephant or the hippopotamus. Um but when you get down here to verse 17 as as a lot of you may know this passage and are familiar with this passage.

But those that don't you need to go there. You need to read chapter 40 verse 15 look at this footnote that may be in your bible that says hippopotamus or elephant. And then look at the the poetic description of what this is that jobe is being shown more than one of.

But but when we get to the verse 17 and his tail sways like a large tree a cedar tree i am reminded of what an elephant's tail looks like and that is not a large tree. No one would ever argue that that tail is a large tree.

Neither if the other option is this one that is not a large tree also. So when i go to places like the field museum in chicago and i walk into the great hall there in this wonderful museum of specimens their exhibits are are by far great exhibits.

But this animal patagotitan is standing in the great hall. He is over 120 feet long his tail there that connects to his hinder parts those those processes right there are over five feet tall. His tail is close to 35 feet long.

If you put muscle and skin on that tail you would have you would have an animals with that that has a tail that swayed like a large tree poetically not to mention he ranks first among the works of god to our knowledge and our understanding.

And of those things that are in the fossil record alive or extinct today these long neck sauropods are the largest things and for jobe to be seeing them physically being shown them by the lord for him to trust the lord he has the lord is showing him jobe don't forget i made all of these creatures i made all these things in creation around you and and they only look to me to be sustained to be taken care of to be whatever the case may be of what he was describing from chapters 38 on.

But here then in this chapter he's he's showing jobe the behemoth he's showing him a sauropod dinosaur. This is hundreds of years after the flood. So for the behemoth to be shown to jobe they had to have been on the ark.

That is that is that is a biblical understanding of that. So if if we can take what the word of god says about the flood and what it did over the entire planet which is is more than evident in the descriptions given so that the school of thought out there that it was only local and in in noah's area i do not hold to that position.

And neither does the word of god um old testament or new testament and so so being that it went over the entire planet it would have laid down sedimentary layers of rock everywhere with dead stuff in it.

Um so when we see the fossil record today that should we we should find things that suggest that and reinforce that in us when we look at the time frame of when the flood was in the word of god we're talking 4300 years ago.

So so the things we will find there are not things that are millions or billions of years old um they are going to be things that are thousands of years old. There should be evidence in there of thousands of years old.

Pregnant Ichthyosaurs, Dragons, and Dinosaur Soft Tissue

So so there's lots of different things that we see like that case in point this creature here this is an atheisaurus possibly what they were colored like but in our collection we carry with us a a 10-foot ichthyosaur.

Um and and what's special about this ichthyosaur. The original of this is in the the american museum of natural history in new york city um but but this copy that we have uh clearly shows what the original does and that there are three infants.

This is a female ichthyosaur she is from holzmann germany. Um there are hundreds of ichthyosaurs around and near holzmann germany um that have been discovered and quite a few female ichthyosaurs. And so i was in my office as i am often uh uh reading and studying and i came across an article uh a year year and a half ago about a an ichthyosaurus that was found down in chile in south america and quite a bit larger if memory serves me right i want to say i want to say uh 30 or 40 feet.

Um and what was remarkable when i was reading this article was that this ichthyosaur in chile was pregnant. It was a female she had infants and it was like the light bulb went on for me for the first time of something that i had not connected before.

And so i i've begun a research project and i am looking for every female ichthyosaur that has ever been found on the planet to date. And so in my preliminary study i came across four at least. So there's the one in chile.

There's one the one that we carry a copy of that was found in germany. Um the state fossil for nevada is the ichthyosaur. Um and there's been one found there that's female and and as well as one in china.

And the remarkable thing is is that that all of them are pregnant. So we have pregnant female ichthyosaurs on at least four continents. And what was what was amazing when i began studying i wanted to know what layers of rock did they find these ichthyosaurs in.

Because in my understanding if if we take the evolutionary understanding of the geologic column so the chilean one is the one that's closest to us in time according to an evolutionary idea of 129 130 million years ago all the way down to the oldest one.

The one that's deepest in the rock record is is in china at 250 million. But what has become very evident to me and what my research project is is the reason i'm looking for every female ichthyosaur is because most likely every female ichthyosaur on the planet is pregnant and shows that so either if the evolutionary worldview is correct you have to try to explain that every year as the female ichthyosaurs are pregnant there's a natural disaster that would bury them and so over the course of 120 million years of time every time we find a female ichthyosaur that's pregnant every one of those years just so happened to be a disaster when they were pregnant or the word of god's history is right and they were all laid down during the course of the year at different depths based on where they were when the mud flows buried them.

So i'm i'm on the hunt for female ichthyosaurs. Um i'll keep you posted how my study goes. But we are we have known and seen throughout history in every civilization on the planet there are records of dragons of other large reptiles.

Some breathe fire some don't some are winged some don't. Many of you are familiar with the taeprong temple in cambodia in the stegosaurus that has been found down there i very much ride on the side that being a stegosaurus are the evolution.

Evolutionary colleagues have argued for years that that is either a rhinoceros or a chameleon. As my colleague ryan always talks you know those two creatures are rhinoceros and a chameleon. I totally get those mixed up all the time like they are so similar that i i i totally get those mixed up.

But then i'm afraid i'm afraid to tell you that every student that has ever seen this picture not a one of them has ever said well that's a rhinoceros oh that's a chameleon. Every time this picture is shown stegosaurus comes out of somebody's mouth.

Um so so the work that has been done on this and many other places around the world uh showing that we have lived with them um it's just it's an ongoing record uh that that the word of god's history is right.