Dan and myself will be discussing how to view and understand the 70 weeks in Daniel 9.

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Dan and myself will be discussing how to view and understand the 70 weeks in Daniel 9.

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Love to be able to pray for you With that being said let's jump right in we are continuing to walk through the book of Daniel and especially wanting to look at the prophecies and how it how it
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Forms our in times theology then and I both hold the post -millennial position you've got the
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The pre -trib dispensational position you've got a mid -trib you got a post trip
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You got an all meal position and there's a wide array of several others Positions that are that are out there, but Dan and I hold the post mill position postmill
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In the post mill position you have what you call the the partial preterist position that post mill
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That's right. The partial prayer preterist position. Some of these words are hard to pronounce especially together
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And preterist just means past so we believe most of the prophecies that have that are in Scripture Old Testament New from Daniel to Revelation Have already taken place and I know that's that's a hard pill for many to swallow because we we have been taught a certain form of Eschatology a certain viewpoint for so many years and I didn't even know that there were other viewpoints out there
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So I know it's a hard pill for some to swallow It's gets confusing because you've heard one thing for so long but we believe in partial preterism many have already happened in the past preterist means past and so We are trying to explain that and help you understand where we get that information
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Our last video together Dan and I have already looked at the the bulk of Daniel chapter 9
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But we wanted to focus tonight specifically on but the last part starting in verse 24 through 27
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Looking at the the 70 weeks of years And and I think it's good.
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It's a good video for for Dan and I to do because Dan and I at this point hold a slightly different viewpoint on how to look at the the 70 weeks that Verse 24 starts off with so we can have a conversation about it and and it will be a good example
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If you or someone, you know holds the pre -millennial dispensation view
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In other words, you believe in the pre -trib rapture If you hold that view and you come across somebody who holds a mid -trip post -trip
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Amillennial position post -millennial position like us it's good practice to know how to have a
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Conversation with someone that holds a different view and not label them a heretic and You you don't want anything to do with them anymore and and it can show how you can still work together for the gospel in ministry
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For Jesus Christ, even if you hold different views, I don't think Dan my the view that Dan and I hold are that much different We'll we'll see here in a few minutes
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But I think there is some differences and I think both views are legitimate. So let's jump in I'm I'm gonna read the text and Kind of make some some initial points before we actually get into the numbers game
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Verse 24 Daniel chapter 9 if you have your Bible follow along with us 70 70 weeks 7 0 70 weeks
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Have been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish the transgression
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To make an end of sin to make atonement for iniquity to bring an everlasting righteousness to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place so you are to know and Discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild
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Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince it will be seven weeks and 62 weeks it will be built again with plaza and moat even in times of distress then after the 60 62 weeks the
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Messiah will be cut off and have nothing and the people of the prince Who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary and its end will come with a flood
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Even to the end there will be war desolations are
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Determined and he will make a firm covenant with many for one week but in the middle of the week
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He will put a stop to sacrifice a grand offering and on the wing of abominations will come
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On who makes desolate even until complete destruction One that is decreed is poured out on the one who makes desolate
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Now Dan, I want you to make some comments after I make these my initial comments I want you to chime in on this because I think it's really important not only for people people to see our conversation where we have differences
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But if we can be specific on Where we differ from the the popular view the pre -meal dispensation the preacher rapture view
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I think it will be helpful Discerning Where we stand how we get what we get as opposed to to that position so Let's begin with the very first verse
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Well, let me say this I think we have a lot in common with the pre Pre -meal dispensation in the preacher rapture view in the numbers game up to a certain point.
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Would you agree with that? No No, I Would say that your position probably does okay
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So why don't you go ahead and describe that? I'll describe where I'm coming from so that way we can we can make the contrast and we'll make it fairly
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Okay, so that makes sense that that my position does have some similarities with the the preacher of rapture view on the numbers up to a certain point so 70 weeks have been decreed for I think this is a port important point to make for your people and your holy city
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It doesn't say 69 weeks Have been decreed for your people in your holy city.
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It's the whole 70 Is it do you think that's an important distinction to make?
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Yeah, okay Because now I guess we're gonna have to make some distinctions because you know
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My view has some similarities with the preacher of you So up to a certain point
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We have some agreement up to the 69th week And then They they place in these verses a gap
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Called the church age and they don't know how exactly how long the church age is going to be
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It's it's been two thousand plus years now, right? It's a concept called prophetic for shortening in other words
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They say it's kind of like you're standing off on the the plains Close to the
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Rocky Mountains and you see the glimpse of the Rockies and you're seeing a whole bunch of different mountains
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No here and across and over there and you see them all as one range. So you would describe them as One mountain but you get up there close to them
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You realize the peaks that you were looking at from way back Maybe miles and miles apart from each other one may be way further away one may be closer
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But they look the same when you're looking at it So what they would say is that the the the the weeks here are
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Seen all together as in a timeline in one shot but that 70th week is
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Further off it looks from Daniels perspective way back here like it's all the same but when you get up on it you realize that there's there's a valley in between that 69th and 70th week that That he wasn't able to distinguish
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So that's where they kind of put that in and what you're basically what you're saying is that's how they justify there that gap if I Can't find a biblical support for a gap.
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I don't find it here in Daniel 9 And I don't see it anywhere else so Who would they say that that last week is for that that last seven years?
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Say the last they say the last week is for the Jews Okay Which actually makes perfect sense with a or decreed about your people
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Daniel. Okay, so it comes back to the Jews And fulfills the first part of this right?
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because there's a there's an understanding that since in in the dispensational view that that the the people of Israel in Jesus's time
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Actually rejected the kingdom that was offered to them so it was put on hold until all the
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Gentiles that would believe would come in and then the Gentiles the church would be Raptured out and all that the promises in the
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Old Testament scheme that was going on before the church was called to Christ Would then restart so you get up to week 69 the
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Jews reject the kingdom God says well sit right there and and Think about it for a minute.
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Well, I deal with these Gentiles and then he comes back at the end He'll remove the church and finish his promises to to the nation of Israel instead of realizing that there was always the faithful remnant even those who were
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Romans 4 says 4 9 11 all of them say that It was a people of faith who were the children of Abraham This is why we today we can sing
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I don't know why a dispensationalist would sing Father Abraham and many sons.
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I am one of them. And so are you I know you're not you're not a Jew so but Right, yeah
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So according to verse 24 My view and their view we both believe that all 70 weeks are decreed for your people in Holy City They just insert a time period for Gentiles and the church age
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But I don't see that right. So let's move on The next and I know we touched this on the last video, but the next little part of verse 24
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And 25 I guess are the six things that that must take place and I see and I think you would agree with me that these six things have
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Occurred those that look into the future for some of these events to have happened They see some of them yet to be fulfilled
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And and that would be a difference that we have so each of these things and I and I have some notes here
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I'm I'm not going to take time to go through each one of them But but I have notes and and we can talk about I can show you how each one of these six
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Have in the past already been fulfilled that's That's reasonable.
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That's biblical. It's historical We can do that. We can look right and I kind of understand where people come from They see especially finish the transgression to put an end to sin then they look around and see it.
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Well, they're saying everywhere So, what do you mean? He's put an end to sin, right? What we mean by that is that the initial
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Putting of an end to sin has occurred that it's in God's Dealings with mankind.
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It's as good as done because sin has been Is either been paid for or the punishment for sin has been set up because Christ has died
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His is blood is atoned for the sins of men and And so sin has lost like the grave holds no power over us that that's what we believe
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Put an end to sin Is talking about that sins power its destructive forces
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It's it's rain over the earth has ended because Christ's kingdom has come because he is he has purchased salvation for for men
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Yeah And women I mean men in the general Don't know why but you gotta say that nowadays
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It reminds me of the the idea of our sanctification We're we're we're not under when we're saved and we're we begin the process of sanctification.
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We're not under the Power of sin anymore, we're not controlled by under none of the power of it, but we're still
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Influenced by it. Yeah, almost like one of those Vestigial organs the ones that you have there, but they don't really serve a purpose or they may have served a purpose but don't yeah,
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I don't really know about all that because it gets an evolution and I'm not really on board with evolution, but Like like the appendix you can you can absolutely live without it
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So imagine you have an organ that at one time had to use now it doesn't it just kind of sits there
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Sin nature it's died It still sits there it's still a part of the body may even be some things that run through it from time to time but It just kind of dead weight ready to get that cut off and put away forever
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That's cosmic appendectomy or something Boy I wish there was such a thing.
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I'd like to be rid of it for real Let me let me just jump in to my view of the numbers so it's going to start with with verse 25 where Daniel says there's going to be a decree to rebuild
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Jerusalem And so what do we need to look for in the future if God is true and Daniel is a true prophet what do we need to look for we need to look for a
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Decree to rebuild Jerusalem and we have that We have that in history.
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There is there is a decree to to rebuild Jerusalem, and if I'm not mistaken We have is it
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Isaiah that gives the name of The the person that will decree and He and his name is
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Cyrus I'm correct. Is that correct? Mmm, maybe maybe
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I'm gonna have to say no because this is where we disagree on. Oh, oh Cyrus is named
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Cyrus is named and he does he does give a decree in history and He is prophesied to Wait, no.
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Yeah. No, I agree with Cyrus, right? Right. Okay. I don't know how you can
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Well, maybe I will get there we'll get there all right, you'll see you'll see if my cup can hold water
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So we we're both thinking Cyrus and Cyrus was prophesied before Cyrus was, you know around and Which you know shows the miraculous
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Work of God So we have Cyrus prophesied or he's prophesied then he gives the decree to rebuild that That starts the timetable according to Daniel of the 70 weeks
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I think in my opinion is a
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Lot of scholars most scholars some scholars. However, you want to say it We calculate this as 70 weeks of years so There's going to be 70
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Seven year increments, is that right? Is it I think that's the correct view or it's hard to explain
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That is your view, okay, so 77 increments of years which seven days in one week seven years and You know, you look back at the law
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They were God had a time frame of Letting the land rest a
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Sabbath year, you know, it kind of to me it kind of plays into all that there was
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God does circulations of seven years but anyway one of the reasons why
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I want to look at it that way and I hold that point of view is because I'm we're coming off the heels of Daniel talking about a literal 70 years
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That they were in exile and they're there on the end of that prophecy
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Getting ready to be fulfilled it started it ended 70 years the prophecy was right and then
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This prophecy is on the heels of Daniel talking about that prophecy And then you get to verse 27 and you have him speaking of In the middle of a week and we want to We see
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Jesus Jesus baptism We see that as when he was the
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Messiah the Prince was anointed And that's part of the prophecy here in Daniel and then that begins his ministry that begins the the last seven last week the 70th week and then
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And at three and a half years, which we know that Jesus had a three, you know
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It's ministry. So at three and a half years, which Daniel talks about he's cut off.
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He puts it into sacrifice he's he's crucified and so Looking at all that and and then the the first seven years
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You can kind of follow history with with these numbers the first seven years after the decree was made you have the the building or the rebuilding of Jerusalem and then you have a 62 weeks or seven year increments 62 weeks of years seven years period of time and Then at the end of that 62 weeks plus seven weeks is 69
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Then you have Jesus coming on the scene and Another reason why
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I want to take these numbers more literally is because you you have Daniel at the beginning of Daniel You it talks about the wise men that were in this area
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East of Jerusalem and and then you have
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Daniel prophesying of a Messiah to come and he gives specific dates and so I I can't help but think that Daniel was passing along this prophetic information to these wise men and then you have
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The New Testament and what do you have in the New Testament? Gabriel who come to Daniel comes to Mary and then you have what wise men coming from the east who were a part of Daniel's story and And Daniel gives them this prophetic information to look for These are the certain number of years and then the
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Messiah the Prince will come How do they know when to look for the star? Daniel gave them some numbers to keep up with and so to me understanding the numbers as more literal to me makes sense and then
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This I'll finish with this because this is what we hit on just a few minutes ago How do you make it all the way to 70
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AD? with those numbers if you're And it may be a stretch and my cup may not hold water but if you're looking at the numbers doing the calculations the 70th week ends after the three and a half years after the crucifixion
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But then we believe that 70 AD is when Jesus came in his
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Judgment on Jerusalem. They were they were told Jesus told them to flee to the mountains, you know, let's hope that you're not pregnant
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It's not the Sabbath because when this day comes you're gonna want to flee What that I hope
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I'm not pregnant. Oh, exactly The He was telling the women hope that you're not pregnant at that time
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Hopefully it's not a Sabbath because when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies look for that and this time of judgment came and and culminated finished in 70
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AD and Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed and that's when the the Christians fled Took to the hills not to look back.
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Don't go back to get your cloak or just or good, you know, what? Something about the rooftop don't go back to the rooftop to get your cloak and so If you follow the years that Daniel gives you end up at the end of the crucifixion three and a half years after the crucifixion but then after that when the 70 weeks of years is finished you have a gap between then and 70
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AD so What do you do with that in in my view the position that I hold and this is how
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I would explain it And Don't shoot me down. This is just what
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I'm coming up with so far and I could be wrong. I'm open to change Verse 24 says 70 weeks
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Have been decreed for your people in your holy city And then part of the six things that supposed to happen seal up vision and prophecy supposed to be confirmed supposed to finish all right, so It's finished the 70 weeks is over it's done it was for Those people your people in your holy city.
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It was sealed up. The vision was sort of prophecy was just sealed up It was confirmed. It was finished
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So that's fulfilled we've got that So the it doesn't mention the the gap between the 70 weeks is is not a part of Verse 27 where it's talking about the the abomination and stuff
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Which we'll both get to and I think we'll both probably agree on who it is but where I get the
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Numbers for that gap between The end of the 70 weeks and 70
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AD is when Matthew 24 34 This generation will not pass until all these things come to come to pass all these things happen and I think it's
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Isaiah that talks about a gen that generation or a generation Jesus talks about a generation several times and One of the common answers of how long is a generation is 40 years and so that gap between the 70 weeks of years completing and 70
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AD is Approximately around 30 35 40 40 years something like that Depends on you know where you start so 35 to 40 years that's around a generation biblically so that's that's kind of how
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I'm fitting the puzzle pieces together and so I've spoken up and I Let Dan share his his viewpoint.
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All right. I do have a couple questions if you want. Yeah, I'm clarifying Ask him and kind of let you go on You Were talking about 490 years as 77s right 7 times 70 is 490
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And that lining up from the decree of Cyrus Now Cyrus decreed his decree was written in 538
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BC So, how do you get to 30 ish
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AD and it'd be 490 years.
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I know I don't have a math degree. I'm just Did I say
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Cyrus, yeah, I mean I meant the math works out better if I go to Guard exerts.
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Okay. That's all I didn't think you could go from Cyrus no,
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I I Don't have all all the answers there there's two decrees two people that Can fit the decree giving for my understanding and so The the math
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I think from my point of view works out better With King exerts ease. Okay But then you have the math works a lot better with him than it does
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Cyrus that's right I was wondering but you have Cyrus Prophesied With Isaiah.
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Yeah, and Cyrus does give the decree and so You know, that's you know, that's where I'm at That's fair.
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Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well that that was that was what I had
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Curious I'm sure I'll miss speak to well, no,
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I Didn't miss speak. I didn't do the math and Ahead of time, that's fine.
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So but once you said that I was like, I know where he's going. So That's cool, all right, so Where where I differ
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Unless you have any more clarifying points. All right. So where I differ first off is word number two where it says weeks
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You said weeks of years that word weeks Even in like you're an
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ESV. I think in the NASB at the bottom It'll have a little little asterick a little number and it'll say or sevens
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It's not necessarily weeks It can mean sevens now the way that the the
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Jews back then would say a week They would say it was a seven. It was a group of seven, but it wasn't necessarily a week
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So, I don't know if we have to be restricted to a week of year concept in order to Understand what's being said here.
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I actually think he's talking about Sevens the word sevens really close to The word for Sabbath Has the idea of a rest of a completion, you know,
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God was done with his work And so he rested on the seventh day so I think the idea
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That's being put forward is one of a rest or a Sabbath or a completion when he says seven
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And here's why I say that Back in the first part of Daniel 9. He says that he was
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He was wondering what was going on. He was confused The prophecy of Jeremiah was about to was about to end
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What's gonna happen with no 70 years were decreed Back there in Jeremiah.
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So what's gonna happen? How is this going to? You know what what gives you know, he's
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Wondering and I would be too You get to a certain point. You know, what's God doing?
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And I don't think the important part is The time period
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I think it's Let me go back I'm getting ahead of myself go back to Jeremiah It's found this prophecy found in two places
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Jeremiah 25 11 which says
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This whole land shall become a ruin in a way speaking of Israel And these nations shall serve the king of Babylon 70 years
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Then after 70 years are completed I will punish the king of Babylon in that nation and the land of the
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Chaldeans For their iniquity declares the Lord making the land an everlasting waste So 70 years are gonna be in captivity in Babylon Daniel's wondering what's gonna happen at the end of the 70 years of captivity
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He was right there at it, you know 70 years is ending he's under a new king this king is a mead
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That's not a Babylonian that's a new king Dave the Babylonians have gone so What's gonna happen now?
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No, they've been destroyed. So what do we do? The the next time it's mentioned this prophecy is also mentioned in Jeremiah 29 verse 10
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Which if you're familiar with Jeremiah 29 11 of Jeremiah 29 10 is the context for it and makes it
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Better I think I'm taking it out of context It says for thus says the
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Lord When 70 years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you now fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place to where to Israel why because I know the plans that I have for you declares the
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Lord plans for Welfare not for evil to give you a future and a hope so at the end of those 70 years
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Babylon's going to be defeated. God's going to decree and bring back the people into the promised land.
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And so here we are Daniel praying about this prophecy in Jeremiah and the the angel comes and tells him
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This is the answer. This is what's happening at the end of the prophecy the Jeremiah gave
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Babylon's done away with and now I'm gonna bring you back into the land The first deportation into Babylon occurred about 605 of the 70 years lasted roughly 70 years depending on what part of 605 and what part of 538 you look at you get about 70 years that they were in captivity to Babylon and then something happens
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Cyrus in the book of Ezra makes a decree that they should go back and Rebuild the temple now
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To me Rebuilding the temple it would be step number one in Rebuilding the city.
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What are you going to do? Once you get to the city, well God sent us into exile
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God by his mighty hand has defeated our enemies and brought us back from exile
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Very first thing we need to do is to worship God Rebuild the temple that's step one in rebuilding the city
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Some people disagree with that we don't really have a full Like word -for -word of the decree in Ezra Josephus does
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Record what he says is the full document of that decree and in that decree
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It does say that they're supposed to go back and rebuild the city and the temple So it says both now
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Josephus is not in the Bible. He's extra biblical. So we need to look at Bible sources first If he lines up with it, great.
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If not, we'll kick him to the curb No problem. So the decree
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Would then so I believe start with Cyrus He would decree him 538
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That they should go back start rebuilding the temple so that those groups of sevens or completions
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We're going to start to take place. One would be shorter one would be longer one would be
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Short and final it would be the last final completion And there now the reason why
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I think it's Cyrus is because like you said Isaiah Predicts that somebody named
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Cyrus was going to be very important This all happens about the time that the 70 years ends, which is the context of Daniel 9 and I don't believe that there's a gap in Daniel 9.
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I know that was going off of your t -shirt from the other day Yeah, even like on the front end
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I don't believe that there's a gap in Daniel 9 I believe that that started then in there and also back in 2nd
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Chronicles if you go to 2nd Chronicles at verses 21 22
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It says to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah until the land had enjoyed its
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Sabbaths all the days That it laid desolate it kept Sabbath to fulfill 70 years
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So there was an idea of the people of Israel had not fulfilled the Sabbath. They hadn't
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Rested they hadn't Allowed the land to rest like God had said God doing his work and then he rested they did their work and then they just kept on working and they didn't rest so God said stop what you're doing and Rest in me
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Sure, yeah And then it says now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia That the word of the
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Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus the king of Persia so that he made a proclamation or decree
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Throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing Thus says the king of Persia the
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Lord the God of heaven has given me all kingdoms of the earth and has charged me to Build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah Whoever is among you of all his people may the
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Lord be with him. Let him go up So one of the things that that the decree
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Was supposed to do was supposed to lead the people out of captivity out of Babylon and put them back
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Into the land of Israel you see Cyrus hit all of those points The only point where it doesn't make sense is if we make it if we start with the understanding that it's supposed to be a 490 year period
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Because it doesn't fit like the math just does not work But if you understand it as a first group of sevens a second group of sevens and a final seven
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What you and what you start what you have then is the first seven is the decree for the rebuilding of the temple in the city
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It's mainly the job of the temple to be rebuilt in the first 49 if you want to call it by those years or the first group of sevens
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First group of sevens The temple is rebuilt and the second group of sevens the city is rebuilt and it's repopulated by the
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Jewish people in The last group of seven or the last seven What you see is all those things that are there happening at the end where the prince is anointed
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He's cut off of the people of the prince, which I believe is the Jews Come and try to destroy
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And what ends up happening is that all of this happens? The the sacrifice has an end put onto it
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And then those who tried to desolate or tried to desecrate or who tried to kill the
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Messiah Were eventually snuffed out. They were judgment was passed upon them
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And so that's why I think This is dealing with Cyrus Starting in 538 and running through about 70 80
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No But probably or may already know
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If we were to take the numbers you we were both talking about how the math doesn't add up if you begin with Cyrus But it there are so different calendars
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They went by different calendar than we go by if you go by the lunar calendar with the math add up No, okay, it's still too much.
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Okay, because you'd only lose about five days per year, okay It's it's not enough to to gain back.
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What is that almost? Almost a hundred years Yeah, you'd have to gain back almost a hundred years
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There's our two views there's our two options I think both of them are legitimate to me
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Because I'm still learning. I'm still growing and and I have a lot to learn But what we do agree on is that there there's not a gap in here it's got to be speaking of the predators partial predators point of view that however you calculate the years or interpret the years
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Daniels telling us that it was The completion of these 70 weeks of years or 70 weeks of my apology
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They said these 70 weeks is going to be you know The Messiah when he came and 70
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AD the destruction of Jerusalem in the temple that you know That's going to be the completion of all of it
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And not something in the future and this is where I want to maybe wrap it up if we can
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And hit on these last two points Because I made the comment people are looking for These things to happen.
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That's why they insert a gap here is because They're telling us that there are certain things that haven't happened yet So let's talk about those things and and I can think of two that I'd like to discuss.
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The the first one is They say well Jesus hasn't
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Come back yet and how they define that changes I think sometimes they're referring to the rapture sometimes they're talking about the second coming when they talk about he's coming back
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Um, you have to listen close to know which which one they're talking about but they say
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Jesus hasn't come back yet and So, you know this couldn't have happened.
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We're waiting for that to happen. That's what I'm I look at Two different verses and I want your thoughts on on these verses
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The number one a Is two verses and I've got be another verse
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Matthew 12 28 and and Luke 11 20 Jesus says if I cast out
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Demons and I think Matthew says by spirit of God and Luke says by the finger of God the kingdom has
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Come upon you So here you have Jesus Who in his ministry?
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cast out demons And he says when that happens the kingdom
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Has come upon you so we we know We know he's there is his kingdom.
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These things are being fulfilled and Then the last verse or two verses that I want to look at I'm going more specifically to the
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Jesus coming and how we view That understanding of Jesus coming
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Isaiah 11 4 and 5 and help me out here. Let me know if you think that I'm I'm on track with these verses
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So as a 11 as a 11 4 4 and 5 or at least 4
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It says but with righteousness he will judge the poor and decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth
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He will strike Here's here's the wording. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips
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He will slay the wicked so this is what we mean by Jesus came and We believe that's how we interpret
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Jesus talking about his his coming in 70 AD was
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Not physically but in destruction and here G Isaiah is describing what that looks like It's not a physical return with with armies behind him to To destroy his enemies it's with his mouth the afflicted the earth with It will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips.
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He will slay the wicked so People will say that he's not he's not physically came back.
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Well, that's not what we don't believe That's what Jesus was referring to when he was saying people to come back in their generation
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He is speaking Old Testament figurative language where all over the Old Testament It speaks of God coming but coming in judgment and Here Isaiah is describing that coming of Jesus But coming in judgment and he comes and strikes the earth with the rod of his mouth
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And with the breath of his lips Not a physical feet on the ground with armies marching behind him.
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Does that make sense? Yeah Okay. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, what
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Jesus was doing when he was returning in judgment when he was he was judging I mean
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I Think it's a little bit more broad in Isaiah 11, but it has the same idea
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I think it's more broad than just speaking about Israel, but um
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But it definitely fits How was it that that Jesus judges nations
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He judged the nation of Israel the same way that he judges. Well America America deserves judgment.
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Look at what we've done in a whole number of Realms and we deserve it.
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Are we going to see Jesus coming back on the clouds? Riding a horse swinging a sword or will he from heaven?
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Decree this is what's going to happen. You're going down And then what does it look like for our nation?
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It looks exactly like that apocalyptic type in times Nothing can survive scorched all language
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Because what's left at the end of the judgment of God upon upon a nation is that that nation is no longer around It's not there anymore.
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And it wasn't just swinging a sword. It was Jesus speaking, right? Now Jesus puts down his enemies in two ways, which is
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Incredible that he has such wrath and grace all wrapped up into one And both of them by the word of his mouth
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Because number one hills who speak wrath or judgment over a sinful nation Number two, the one of the words he speaks is is his gospel of grace
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Some ways that he puts his enemies down is by causing them to become Friends because causing to become his people we saw that in earlier part of Daniel where we saw a
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Belshazzar who was actually taken over By the Persians like that was his last thing that he saw
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I saw the handwriting on the wall And then he was taken over that night and we see Nebuchadnezzar who was thrown off into the wilderness like a wild animal and He came to know
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Christ Came to know God So yeah You're absolutely right there
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Now here's here's the last thing I wanted to bring up People say that we've got to insert a gap here because there's some things that haven't happened
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We got to look for them in the future and you go to Matthew chapter 24 and in Matthew chapter 24
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Jesus says that the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel and So here in Daniel chapter 9
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We have an abomination Of we'll see
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Put a stop sacrifice grant offering and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate even until complete destruction
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So here we have spoke of Abomination of desolation
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Abominations that will make that makes desolate So Jesus is referring to Daniel and this abomination of desolation and they say we this hasn't happened yet We've not seen the abomination of desolation and they
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They think he's going to be the The the man of lawlessness the
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Antichrist. Is that right? Mm -hmm. Okay, so Where do we see?
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This being fulfilled And I want to go back, you know, we could talk about who he is but I want to go back to because I listened to that Jeff Durbin sermon that was that was linked in there and I can't remember if it was you that also
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Mentioned this But I don't have his works, but Jeff Durbin mentions
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Eusebius book 3 chapter 5 he gives and he
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He quotes and I wish I had the whole quote, but it because it would be so much better But the quote from Eusebius talks about This time period
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What Nero he talks about Nero and he talks about Titus who who
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Titus was the one who? With his right with his armies who came and destroyed Jerusalem and and the temple but I think
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Eusebius if I'm not mistaken quotes Josephus the Jewish historian and They're They're citing that the abomination of desolation that was mentioned in Daniel Made his self known
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Yep, and it's recorded with by Jewish historian that this has taken place.
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Yep Book book 3 chapter 5 if you want to look it up yourself
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It's recorded in Eusebius referring to Josephus the Jewish historian They they believe that the abomination of desolation
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And made itself known and then the destruction of the temple and the in Jerusalem took place by Titus and his armies
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Is you are you in agreement with that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay Absolutely, you can you provide any more details
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Not off the top of my head at this hour. Okay So, yeah, if you want to look it up, but I just you know
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We could go through a whole whole nother spiel about who we think the abomination of desolation was but the fact of the matter was in in that time period
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Right after these, you know, these things happen, you know a lot closer to the time of it happening than we are now the
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Jewish historian Josephus and in Eusebius were making these records and they
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It it must have been It not just Josephus that thought that or you know
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It had to have been somewhat Common thought would you agree with that that it will be common thought in that time period that the abomination of desolation made itself known and all these things had taken place and culminated with 70
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AD yeah, and I Could be wrong on this, but I think it's my it's my understanding that even
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Jewish commentators Um Believe that the prophecy from Daniel has been fulfilled.
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Yeah Yeah, so that's where we stand and I don't know it may or may not convince you if you still hold the preacher rapture pre -millennial
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Dispensational view if you still hold that view We love you. We love each other. We can still minister together we wanted to show you from scripture where we
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Get our understanding and how even in in this scenario where Dan and I are seeing it somewhat differently
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We're still coming up with similar conclusions. We're still able to share the gospel together minister together
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Our aim is to glorify God. Our aim is to share the gospel souls saved and and the believers the church edified and that God is
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Growing his kingdom We are commanded to disciple the nation's
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Teaching them to obey all that Jesus has commanded us We believe that Jesus is putting his enemies under his feet and that last enemy is going to be dead
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And so that's that's where we stand And no matter how Dan and I get to Look at these numbers here
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We believe that it has been accomplished and it has been fulfilled and Jesus is the culmination of all things and he's the
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Satisfaction of all things he satisfied all those things and fulfilled the law and he's the only one that has pleased the father and he did it to glorify the father and We benefit from that and we can we can praise him.
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That's why we worship. That's why we praise and live for him If you do not know
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Jesus as your Lord and Savior we We would urge you greatly to examine yourself know your sin know that you've sinned against God sin against the
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Holy God and Repent of your sin and put your faith and trust in Jesus become a part of this kingdom
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The only one when all said and done that will still be standing the one that all other nations will come to They will come to Jerusalem To hear his teachings so that they can walk in his paths and so We want you to be on the right side of eternity.
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Not just this temporal Time that we have on this earth, but the right side of eternity and glorify
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God with us any last thoughts Yeah Whenever you're trying to look at two views
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Number one you want to concentrate on what the Bible says Number two, you want to make sure that you're putting it in context
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Number three, if you have two people who sound like they both know what they're talking about The one with the bigger beard is always correct
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Hey Sounded by at least the first two points you take what you want with the third
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Sound advice. I'll take it Well, if you don't mind, would you pray for us? Absolutely Dear Heavenly Father God, we thank you for all that you've done for us
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We thank you for giving us the scriptures for fulfilling them for living and dying for raising again for Providing eternal life
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God. We pray that as we move throughout your history that you would Cleanse us of our sins that you would lead the people to yourself that you would have us to be bold courageous and loving
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Compassionate in these times that we live in that we would serve you well and that we would be
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Quick to honor you and to glorify you with all that we do. We love you in Jesus name. We pray. Amen I mean, thank you
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Dan and if you've watched all the way to the end Remember that Jesus is King go speak with the authority of Christ live in the victory of Christ and Let's go out there together and spread the gospel of Christ.