Another Road Trip DL

Greetings and welcome to the dividing line. I think I didn't hear any music. So what's going on? Well, okay. I don't know but give somebody a countdown that means You're wanted to go not gonna play music.

All right. Welcome to the dividing line second time I've started that but that's okay. You didn't hear that. I hope I don't know. It doesn't matter. We are in the AO mobile command and We are currently coming to you live from beautiful golden, Colorado.

It's a little warm up here, I I guess there's a big huge high-pressure system that's just parked itself over the West and I May cough a couple times during the program today. So before the Karen cult members in the audience Start sending SWAT teams which is It would have been once an over-the-top silly statement, but it's not anymore and we all know it.

I Actually thought about trying to. I didn't have the time to do so because I was looking at Gregory of Nyssa and Getting some other stuff more much much more important stuff put together for you here but I took a picture this morning and This will give you an idea so You should be seeing A picture from I don't know.

I guess this is around Twelve five thirteen thousand feet above sea level something like that. Now I I have other pictures like this from years past and you'd be able to see Far into the distance and you'd be able to make out trees on the mountainsides and all the rest of stuff instead.

Yeah. See there's a coming. Um, I Guess there are fires Up in Idaho or something and the rotation of the high which is making it very hot in Phoenix right now is sucking all that smoke down into Colorado and I noticed that when I pulled into Colorado Springs a few days ago.

You couldn't even see Pikes Peak and that's sort of obvious in that area. But no, you couldn't and that's what it looked like just a few hours ago up on. I Think I was descending Mount Evans at this point.

I'm not I'm not a hundred percent certain but I May have just stopped the road up there. God bless them. They call it the highest paved road in North America. The term paved needs to be defined a little bit more closely I think in certain sections in most sections.

It's one thing going up. You're going slow man coming down. I Lost about 14 fillings along the way. It's craziness, but at least there weren't any storms today. It was but it looked like that and so I spent I don't know three and a half hours Breathing that stuff in Very hard and I was not breathing through my nose.

So my lungs are like could we get rid of all this now? And yeah has nothing to do with kovat. Has nothing to do with leftist liberal policies. It has to do with With you know life. And the fact that my lungs would like to kick all that stuff back out after I sucked it all in there.

But it was beautiful up there and you know, I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to do it again so I just decided I need to get. I Need to get back up to Evans the the parking lot. There is at fourteen thousand one hundred and thirty feet above sea level.

Ken Gontar has told me that above ten thousand feet pilots have to have oxygen. So I I can guarantee you when you start that climb. You're already above ten thousand feet and I didn't see anybody they're offering oxygen to bicyclists at all.

I looked but there wasn't anybody there. So I guess we're not as important as pilots but I Got take. I'm gonna try to put some of the pictures up on Facebook later on. Because there's sort of a beauty even when you can't see everything all that clearly there is still some I got some really neat shots and Things like that, but I'm just I'm just thankful to have had the opportunity to get back up there again.

It's been a couple years Didn't go up there all that fast mainly because I I have something coming up on Saturday that I will have to do really fast and so Let's just say that that it's very clear now.

That I am on the other side of the hill. That was that was a phrase my you know. You know getting over the hill getting over the hill, you know. Well, the sad thing if you're a cyclist is you have all this data.

I've been using Garmin for years and years and years you you put that into either the Garmin app or the Strava app. It's got thousands and thousands of rides that it can analyze and so nice big graphs come out that say you're getting old you can just see the whoo 2016 was the top and we're doing the downward spiral thing and Yeah, it's like okay, but I didn't see too many other people my age on bikes anywhere near the top of it and Nobody had a bike past me and I was stopping and taking lots of pictures.

I passed about four guys and they were all younger than me in fact two of them were probably in their 20s and I I do I do love the Disgusted look you get from you know, 24 year old guys When you blow by them and you've got this and it's just so that's half the reason I have it.

It's fun. Anyway, so We had a great time a Wonderful time At Hope Chapel in Colorado Springs. I really want to thank everybody there put together Jason Lyle and I got to spend more time together than we've Really gotten to spend in the past other than the one time he actually drove up here and he even offered to come up tonight To do some stargazing and I'm just like Jason.

I'm sorry But after climbing to the top of Mount Evans today by nine o 'clock tonight when it's dark enough to be doing anything You may be showing me something wonderful, but you're gonna hear snoring coming back.

So I just And I'm speaking twice this weekend Redemption Hills Church on Sunday morning from John 17 and then Boulder Bible Church in the evening down in Boulder so Yeah, I've got a lot of stuff going on and so we couldn't do it but I got to spend Time with with Jason and we just we determined that even though there's like 12 years between us.

We were separated at birth. He got all the brains clearly And all the looks too, I'm not sure what happened to me it's sort of like that Twins movie I'm Danny DeVito but still man, we are freakishly alike in stuff that we like and don't like and and Things like that.

He's even a plainer eater than I am Which is really hard to be to be honest with you ask rich. He knows but Anyway, we had a great time together. And so when we spoke together I spoke on and I haven't looked I would assume That these are on the church's website or something but I I spoke on Dealing with Roman Catholicism initially in the first session, which these days is fascinating with everything going on with German bishops rebelling and Pope Francis making a mockery of the of the old line is the Pope Catholic, uh, We can't tell sort of hard to know these days to be honest with you and then Jason did a great presentation on dealing with secularists and it was very presuppositional in nature and really good and Then fairly late in the evening for me I spoke on dealing with the LGBTQ movement and That was that was tough.

I started preaching and it was interesting because when I got done Everybody was perfectly quiet and Even when people started coming up to us, they're whispering. And I said to Jason I said why is everybody whispering and he said you sucked the air out of the room.

I was like, oh, okay. It was pretty serious. I spoke right to the the parents especially in the room about the world's fevered desire to get hold of their children and to destroy them and So, yeah, so we had some really Good conversations afterwards deep conversations afterwards.

It was it was great so and it was a Tuesday night and So that's really that really illustrates What we need to be doing with the road trips is You know, I can't do everything I can't do something every night.

You know, literally I have to I'm traveling alone I suppose I shouldn't say that but We it's pretty obvious. I don't have anybody operating my stuff here. I do it all myself I do all the setting up and breaking down of the of the RV.

So at the same time I'm listening to stuff and studying stuff and getting ready to Speak up in Idaho. I don't know how many times in Moscow at NSA and Christchurch and the grace agenda conference. I'm listening to stuff and studying stuff and At the same time I'm hooking up the sewer connection For the RV and you need to do that correctly.

There's a right way and there's lots of wrong ways. Yeah, yeah, there really is and you got to get the electrical stuff, right and you got to get the you know That the reality is that that that garden hoses.

Sometimes they hook up right and sometimes they don't that's just just the way it is. I've got a little leak on on the connection here. But yeah, all sorts of stuff like that how to chalk wheels and every all the all that fun stuff that comes with the RV life while doing everything else and so this was a really good example, I think of you know, it's Tuesday and So Like I was saying I can't do something every night when I'm traveling.

So if so If you see that I happen to have been in the general area and I don't necessarily on this trip get to you. Please be patient because like Some nights I need to do laundry. I mean, it's just that basic and If I don't want to use if I'm not staying at a place that has particularly nice laundry facilities I've got this laundry bag and it's in the shower and it's it's sort of like how Humanity did it for many many years except I have soap and Humanity didn't have that but so it's still a modern way of doing it I guess but so there are some practical things sometimes need to need to be done and You know like cleaning up and stuff like that.

So it's just it's interesting life. But it was so neat. I'm not gonna go into details, but it was so neat to be able to talk with people and Look into people's eyes and All that neat stuff, which is what you can't do.

Like this, I mean I can look at rich even though he's got his camera off and he's probably snoozing about now but That's not the same thing and I don't and I don't care even if you're talking with somebody that way.

It's just not the same thing. You saw what happened when when Jason and I were together. That was very that would not have happened over zoom. No way would not it there was a there's a natural chemistry That takes place there that just simply doesn't happen in other contexts.

So looking forward to seeing folks this weekend some of the folks came down to Colorado Springs said they'll be Visiting when we're up here in Denver. Thanks to all the prayers for a few of you who prayed because I had to drive I -25 between Colorado Springs and Denver.

It seems that CDOT Colorado Department Transportation has decided that that section needs to be under constant construction. It has been for years. I spoke at that church in 2019 and I drove through the same mess two years ago.

That I then had to drive through and rich warned me. He told me he said in that construction You've got narrow narrow lanes. You have those Cement concrete divider thingies right up against the lane and People think it's the Indianapolis Speedway there.

They're flying through there and It's one thing when it's a car but a couple times I'm in the right lane and I'm as far to the right as I can get but you know, there's only so far to the right you can go and semis full-size semis are Blowing by me.

They're not even speed limit. What's that? It's a speed suggestion. Nothing more than that. So yeah, it was fun. We made it no damage. Yes, we are fully insured but yeah, we made it so I Aged significantly.

I think it's more white in my beer. That's the result of that. But anyway, so Anyhow, I hope you're looking for looking forward to more of these in the future. I will be at Just go to the now rich and Mike.

Did I see correctly that the calendar has been in some way connected to the app. That there's a there's a connection there now so that you have the a no app. That is correct. Good. All right, so I Thought I saw that but stuff that comes through while I'm driving is not necessarily guaranteed to stay in the brain for obvious and good reasons.

It's more of that good smoke. We're gonna get rid of them from the air not from any any other sources, um so keep an eye on the app and we're gonna be up in French town and of course up, Nidaho and then we're gonna be in Las Vegas and that's just this trip and then I really need to get working on the g3 trip and We'll see what comes of comes of that.

All right now. Real quick. I'm not gonna spend much time on this because I want to get into Gregory of Nysa and Gregory Thaumaturgus. Yeah, yeah, yeah you you you sent that before and yeah, I'm at an RV park in Golden, Colorado and Rich is sending me pictures of these old ancient things and he thinks I'm gonna share it.

I'm not. But I'm gonna tell you something. I'm looking through my windows on this side at a bus size RV. There's one over here that I think is bigger. And I I think I think they have like a thing they've welded on the back for a Harley and Then that has an attachment for a car.

I don't even know how long that is. And then across the street and I mean these people put flagpoles up lighted flagpoles at night. They're not pulling out every few days like I am but these things are Humongous and the guy next door to me was telling me that his basically drives itself.

Which I'm not sure if that made me feel good or bad to be honest with you. It's a little bit scary. But man, there are. I've decided that our rig is smack dab in the middle. I've seen some out there. That would absolutely forever cause you to be the hunchback of Notre Dame.

I Mean they're just that small and I mean if you if you lean to the right you hit your head on the front. Yeah, I'm once you go in. I mean, it's just I don't know how That works to be honest with you.

And then you've got these Things that you could put 50 people in there and they'd be comfortable and so somewhere in the middle is where I am I would guess and So it's so it is. I Wish I had more time at night.

I'm not really a night person, but just wandering around one of these places I've heard of RV Park evangelist. I have and I could see how that could I've actually had the idea. And and I'll have to see if it and I've actually sort of started working on it.

I was setting my little telescope up. I've got a four and a half inch telescope with me setting it up at night. The problem is by the time night comes along dead tired and I'll be honest with you Thanks to the either the air conditions that you know the smoke or the storms.

I haven't seen a clear night yet the whole time I've been traveling. But it would be cool If you put something out like that. You'd attract people because people walk their dogs in there and they're very friendly very very friendly the guy over on this side.

You know, I said, yeah, I'm gonna be here about five days something like that and he says, oh, okay. All right. I told him I was gonna go for the ride today says hey, I'll keep an eye on your rig for you cool, you know, it's It's a little cult.

Really is it can I borrow your sewer tube? It's a it's it's different anyway, so, uh, all right put all that stuff aside real briefly the speed at which My nation has been Transformed Into something completely different Has left me Basically speechless.

I don't think most people understand. I Just I just think we're too busy with other things in our lives or We just have this long-term. We just trust the government idea thing going on. I don't know.

But you need to understand because this that it the Equality Act thing is coming one way or the other and That's gonna be huge and that's massive. But if you want to see how it's going to be fleshed out over time Look at what just happened with the eviction issue and renters If you just step back for a second Private property just disappeared.

The entire idea of ownership of property That is fundamental to the foundations of the Constitution United States Has been undone by the unilateral decree of a woman Who until January was a college professor she is Unelected but somehow now has the authority To Say to property owners you don't get to do with your property what you want to do with your property in the sense of if.

Because obviously what's going on is a lot of people are dependent upon rental income to pay their own mortgages. And So you you are having people Losing their property because the government says you can.

If someone's living in your property and they had an agreement with you because of kovat because of kovat. They can now live there for free and you can't get rid of them and you cannot recover that That investment and if you lose if the bank ends up with your property who Banks, who did banks support and who did banks give money to in the election?

Huh? Wow, that's interesting how that works yeah, I mean and Biden who again, I don't think is with us any longer. He is the perfect mentoring candidate. But and maybe they didn't even want him to say this.

Maybe they'll eventually just start excluding him from the conversation. So he won't say things like this, but he basically admitted. Yeah. We can't find any legal experts to say this is actually constitutional, but we're gonna try.

Aren't these the people that allegedly? Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution not destroy the Constitution. But then again an oath requires a worldview. That has a judge in it and so oaths. Once once you have secularism, why do you have oaths?

What are you swearing by? Why why why should ugly bags of mostly water? Swearing something if they're the highest thing there is. What does it matter who cares? It's literally like trusting Slick Bob at Slick Bob's used cars.

Where you can see the pile of sawdust under the transmission of the vehicle and He gives you his oath that it's in great shape. Yeah, okay great wonderful that's where we are now. Wow and so if these folks if this regime is So blatantly blatantly blatantly blatantly blatantly willing to be utterly lawless.

A law unto itself. I wonder how many Americans even understand. Or people anywhere in the West or around the world. Look at what's happening in South Africa. Really understand that Line that they've heard many times before and that is that we are a nation of laws not of men.

What's that supposed to mean? Well given what we've discovered about the educational system and about the teachers unions, I'm sure they've been lied about anyways no culture can possibly last when the laws that define it on Monday are Different on Friday you can't it that kind of inconsistency will destroy any people the beauty of God's law is Your your grandparents Lived by it and your grandchildren will be blessed by it, but man's laws.

Oh goodness. We've already seen example after example after example just over the past 18 months of man decreeing things that now No meaning at all doesn't matter at all a nation of men rather than law.

Anarchy destruction. It's destructive of human life. And that's what we're looking at. That's what we are facing. There's no No two ways about it. It's astonishing the speed at which this has happened and the boldness.

Oh the boldness and I really have to wonder. Look, I don't believe I'll be honest with you. I don't believe 80 some odd million people voted. For the man who doesn't know which day of the week it is. There was zero excitement for that man.

So when you look me in the eye and say, you know what more Americans voted for Joe Biden than voted for Barack Obama I just go you are a silly person. You you there's probably a better line from Monty Python someplace.

But you are naive on a level that's really difficult to begin to comprehend. So the this regime. With the figure old man figurehead that they trot out there to to blather around a little bit. But the people behind the scenes that are running it these people are bold.

They hate the Constitution they hate Western democracy. Well, they use all the same terms, of course, that's That that's what you have to do. But oh, are they passionate about wanting something completely different?

And they are accomplishing it at high speed at high speed but One hope that I have To see in my mind from one direction. It's like God's got to tear this one down. It needs to become a watchword remember what we had and lost it because We became focused upon our things and our comforts.

It would be an incredible example. But another possibility is These people Who think themselves they profess themselves to be wise. Oh, are they wise my my my. These people have it all figured out. They're actually people who have very little knowledge outside of their own very narrow fields of expertise.

They are not Renaissance people by any they're not widely read at all and They show no no, even basic rudimentary wisdom. They're good at plotting and scheming, but that's not what wisdom is. But these people may well Finally go so far and man.

They've gone a long ways already. You would think this would have already happened but Doug Wilson Yes, I listened to my blog and may blog Made the argument a couple days ago that Eventually at some point you're sitting in the room and you've been putting up and putting up and you look across the room and your Eyes locked with another person and there's a instant of recognition.

You too, and then you look around. There's a bunch of people in the room they're looking at you going this is not right. It no way is that gonna happen. Good. Would that be a blessing from God? Oh, man, would it ever?

We'll see we'll see but right now the boldness of these people to just simply say we We know what that Constitution says. We don't care. We don't it's it's from our perspective it is doomed. It will be gone before long.

Anyways, so why should we care? We will continue talking about it and we will continue feigning allegiance to it. But we hate it and we will get rid of it. All right. Sorry, I went a little bit longer than that initiative.

So Couple weeks ago when we had our Debate right before I left last program before started doing everything here in the mobile studios which as you know is just the den at the back of the fifth wheel, so My understanding is if a fifth wheel is going to get damaged this is happening somebody Taken taking a turn too tight not seeing something.

I man I can see how that can happen off My guardian angel is working working overtime. There's no choice about it anyway. We looked at Calvin and For me anyways and other people said it was to Enjoyably spent some time in some deep contemplation of the doctrine of the Trinity in Calvin's place in that and We we really did not scratch the surface to be honest with you.

There's a lot of scholarly literature on That subject and there are a lot of people who think that Calvin was in error in Criticizing some formulations of post-nicene orthodoxy while clearly showing an understanding and sort of arguing that a closer reading of Like the great Cappadocians Basil Gregory and Gregory Maybe reading them closer in their own context rather than as Interpreted down to the centuries might be a wiser way of doing things.

Maybe we'll have time In some context to look at that and and I would say to you that's important stuff it really is. It's easy for us to dismiss that kind of thing, but the language that we have inherited To speak about our own theology comes from from history and the more we recognize those sources the better equipped we're going to be to properly handle the What some people call the great tradition that has been passed down to us and one thing's very very clear if you Do not study church history.

You will not be in a position at all to Critically analyze the traditions that your own church embodies and your every church embodies it and As I've said a million times before if your church pretends it doesn't embody a certain form of tradition That means it is not even beginning To try to analyze the traditions that it actually does have.

That's One of the biggest problems of fundamentalism in general not every fundamentalist, but in general so anyway a quote was Given and I mentioned at the time that I wanted to get to it. And it's from Gregory of Nyssa, so we need to differentiate all our Gregory's there's lots of for some reason there are a lot of Gregory's in church history Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Thaumaturgus or Neo Caesarea or whatever and then you've got Popes and then they have Roman numerals after their Gregory's including Gregory the Great so You got to know who who you're talking about.

Or you get really confused. So there was a epistle That has come down to us through history. It's called on not three gods on not three gods written to Ablabious a b l a b i u s a blabious must have been a rough pregnancy, but anyway and Ablabious has written to Gregory and has asked him The question whether it is appropriate or inappropriate in light of the doctrine the Trinity to speak of three gods.

Now Gregory's response is not super long. I mean you can read it in one sitting fairly fairly easily unless Twitter and Facebook has destroyed your ability to think for more than 15 seconds at a time, which for many of us is Exactly what has happened.

It's not super long. But it isn't easy to follow and Part of me would like to say there there would have been a much more concise way To basically say since the biblical revelation of Monotheism I Can't lean on this because it moves the camera the biblical revelation of monotheism in Revelation itself is Foundational to everything else.

It was first its primary its foundational its definitional. I would argue that when you Speak of the distinctions of father son and spirit that those distinctions are Introduced to us scripturally Really dependent upon a pre-existing understanding of The foundational nature of Shema Yisrael Yahweh Elohim Yahweh our God here Israel Yahweh is our is our God Yahweh is one.

If you were to if you were to say this is the key assertion that then Conditions Everything after it that would that would be it and Those of you who've seen me teach on the Trinity know that when I do the triangle thing we have monotheism the existence three persons equality persons and Then there is they points to the triangle point to errors that come from denying any one of these three it's very useful.

It's in the Forgotten Trinity What's at the bottom what's holding the the the triangle up monotheism. So it would seem to me that if someone said well In light of the deity of Christ in light of the deed of the Holy Spirit.

Can't we speak of three gods? I my response would be that's Thinking about it backwards from the way in which has been revealed to us and I would also Then default back to as Calvin did The identification of father son and spirit as Yahweh the use of that one The one name which Jehovah's Witnesses rise you've never six thousand times in the Old Testament.

It's all over the place. It's true. But when you actually think about the fact that New Testament writers then utilize that name specifically of the Sun in unique contexts. Especially the psalm 102 25 to 27 Hebrews chapter 1 10 through 12 citation.

You just can't get around it. It's just I Think I've seen most of the attempts and they fail and fail badly including buzzards really bad attempt at it. I mean it works for a lot of folks who don't Know some of the background issues, but anyway So I would have responded to a blabious without having blabbed Quite as much as Gregory did but still when you read it Um, it's intriguing it's interesting.

I personally Struggled with the Illustrations he used because of the fact that he used illustrations from creation to attempt to communicate something that I Think is absolutely unique and hence like the Trinity itself.

There's no analogy that actually really works. And so I struggle a little bit with that, but I wanted to get to the specific quotation, which is from the last paragraph of on not three gods and What I did before I left home is I spent a fair amount of time I'm tracking down the original language Source for the English translation you can find the English translation of this in What we used to call the Erdman set now Hendrickson has it so it's really the Schaaf set.

Schaaf did most of the editing but it wasn't just him. It's the 38 volumes that look so wonderful on a bookshelf they Really look they don't have any look at all when they're in a program. But I have them in accordance and of course I had them in print long before I had them in accordance and so This is the Greek underlying The translation and you will find lots of different translations and one of the reasons for that One there is for that I can illustrate from my own book on the on the Quran when I addressed The Quran's utilization of the infancy gospel of Thomas as If it were part of the Injil as if it were part of the Christian scriptures, which it obviously never was.

I Translated it The The Greek and of course people might argue as to whether that was the original Coptic Syriac all kind of argumentation. Yeah. But I had it in Greek and so I translated and there was a real practical reason for that you don't you can't copyright the original languages and So as long as you're doing your own translation, you don't even have to jump through the hoops that you normally have to jump through to quote somebody else's work and So I just translate it myself and as a result you frequently end up with differing translations in a you know being cited by different individuals and if it wasn't as much of a big deal in the olden days because everybody could read Latin and almost everybody could read Greek at Least in scholarship and now this is not the case.

So here here is the last paragraph as I see time going by here Here is the last paragraph of on not three gods as it's found in The most common English source because that same set is available like at CCL org so it's available online not all that easy to search but You can learn how to do it.

So that's probably the most common Translation you're gonna be encountering and by the way, I want to mention this I was reading on not three gods quickly before the program started and I was I noticed something and that This kind of thing.

I like to notice and there are a few of you geeky people out there That like to notice these things too. So I'll share them and all the geeky people go who? I Like Chris on holds anyway, I Noticed Gregory in a specific section where he was Speaking about the divine persons and their relationship.

He referred to the Sun as the only begotten God and This is in the English translation. Now what's interesting is if you are familiar with the Gospel of John, you know, and certainly for me what By the way, the Gospel of Mark is now out.

We haven't ordered it yet because I'm looking for a better way to order it. But man as soon as I get back even if we have to do it that way we're ordering Gospel mark the ECM version is out. I'm not sure if the modules are ready for download yet or not, but Anyway, we'll get to it when we get back but John's being worked down in Birmingham and For me one of the most fascinating questions That the application of CBGM technology to the Gospel of John is going to address Will be the textual variant of John 1 18.

Where you have Ha monogamy sweos, you'll be gotten Sun Which is what's in the King James TR? Then you have monogamy sweos or ha monogamy sweos Both those would basically be rendered as The unique God or the only begotten God the article might Have an impact one way or the other.

But I'm really interested in seeing what the CBGM Data does with that as far as coherence goes. That's could be really really interesting. But the point being that Gregory of Nyssa over and over and over again.

I was looking at the Greek over and over and over again uses Monogamy sweos of the Sun so it's very clear that even though he is a 4th century Writer Moving toward the 5th century his manuscripts were To use the old terminology Alexandrian They have the same reading that's in p66 p75 Sinaiticus and Vaticanus but not in Alexandria's and so I Just found that very very interesting that this was a regular phraseology that he used and hence what that means is he had Himself decided that this is the best reading by far and it's one that we can utilize Regularly.

Okay. There was a little geeky thing to throw out for textual critical guys. All right Last paragraph in The shaft set the English translation reads as follows thus since on the one hand The idea of cause Differentiates the persons of the Holy Trinity Declaring that one exists without a cause and another is of the cause and Since on the one hand now, I'll stop saying I would just stylistically and looking at the Greek it uses mendays, so I I Don't know why the translation went this way It makes more sense to say and since on the other hand the divine nature is apprehended by every conception as unchangeable and undivided for these reasons we properly declared the Godhead to be one and God to be one and Employ in the singular all other names which express divine attributes so He says earlier on that the question as it was presented and He recognizes that it it's it could be an objection and certainly as Muslims use it.

It's an objection That the whole idea and this is really what the logical problem. The Trinity thing is all about is Of course to try to say this is logically incoherent based upon applying the same standards to the relationship of the persons as you have ontologically to the existence of the divine being it's No matter how hard You fight you are conflating categories and that comes up here in in his very Concluding statement having argued for the deity of Christ having Argued that you cannot You know, there's a section in here I could don't have time to read the whole thing Like I said, it's available online.

I would recommend it to you if you Are really interested in these kinds of things to to read through it. But he had he had argued that The the father does not a do anything separately from the Sun the Sun doesn't do anything that is not perfected by the Spirit.

So within what we would call the economic Trinity. There is this Consistency that flows from the unity that is theirs in the full possession of the divine nature and yet they're not doing the same thing and.

And so the illustration he uses is if we say that we have been given life By God the scriptures tell us that This life comes from the decree of the father. The son gives life to whom he wills The spirits the one that makes us alive, but he says we don't say that we've received three lives.