Confronting the Culture of Death

Howdy folks, I am NOT James White. Look we're gonna do this together today. I am in dr. James White's Is this what do you call this is a man cave man radio cave, right? It's just really it's really an amazing place it is and I am doing everything that I possibly can to make this as comfortable an experience that That we can so I got rich right now on backup and I brought Wonderful tie a bow tie actually and I just want to say He's dr. White.

I know that you're probably being very critical right now. You're thinking. Okay. All right. Well, that's that's good. But is it a real bow tie or is it a clip-on and I want to make sure that you all understand that?

This is not a clip-on. This is an actual Bowtie and no, I did not tie it myself. So I want to thank Daniel Schultz from apology at church for going all The way across town and coming to meet me at the office today just to tie it on for me.

So, how's it look? It's good. Yeah, that's way Google Maps threw me off and I had to crazy I know my way here and I see yeah. It's it's not see this is why bow ties don't really work. Well, because look at it.

It's like crooked. Look at that. Okay, but okay. Hold on dude this way there. Okay, that's a little better. Dr. White was worried that if I do wear a bowtie that my beard would cover it up and and clearly not I mean I think it it works So good.

So I am right now in a very special place. We're gonna do a show today. We're gonna talk about. I thought like what do you do? What do you do coming on to dr. White show and hijacking it? What do you do?

Do you do stuff on the manuscript tradition? Cuz you know not. Not in any way in comparison. Dr. White couldn't do that. What do you do? Do you do stuff on? I don't know just kind of apologetics and engage different people.

That'd be good. That'd be helpful. What do you do? So I thought let's do something that might be helpful. Let's maybe talk about abortion. That's a big thing right now for us in our ministry. And how do we engage those arguments?

Maybe play some clips for you guys and talk about. Hopefully what is a what is a good and God honoring way forward to bring the gospel into this area? But you know while I'm in here I just want to I want to do what I can to make this a special experience for you.

So what do I see right now? What do I see right now? I see this is amazing. There are actually four copies of the kingdom of the cults. This is what you all really want to know rich. This is you know, it's what everyone really wants to know they like, you know want to listen to dr. White.

But they want to know what this is all about. So you have the kingdom of the cults right here? And this is the this is the the updated version with Ravi who did the general editing so it's good need the update very good.

But dr. White doesn't just have he doesn't just have the kingdom of the cults, you know one in his library. He actually has let me see here. I don't want to mess too much. Is he like really like particular about how these are perfect?

Okay, so he has Four copies of the kingdom of the cults. He doesn't need one. He needs four four of them. So he even has look at that one. That one right there. That's the original isn't it? That's the OG right there kingdom of the cults.

Look at that. I think I'd imagine that's the first one. So if you don't have kingdom of the cults, you need to have that in your library. I know that dr. White's been impacted by Walter Martin like I have and It's not enough to have just one copy.

He needs he needs all four. What else is happening in here right now all these books. Oh, yeah sources de la truth transmission manuscript. They do text decor. I need K. That's. He only has like two of those.

I got like seven. So this is this awesome Martin Luther. You got let you got the lava lamp, of course right there and Theology matters the license plates what and of course, yes, I can't no.

No, wait a minute. If you look to your left my left to your left a little bit further. Okay here you see that three ring binder there. That right there. Yes, that is what's known as the missionary masher the missionary master masher.

Okay. Okay, and that goes back to the original the beginnings of Alpha Omega ministries. Oh the original documentation on Mormonism. That everything under the Sun that you can think of is in that three ring binder right there.

Wow, so this is there's a piece of history right here. Look at this and it's it's not even covered in dust or anything, but this is whoa. Whoa, look at this. See this is what I get to do in here right now.

Wow, this is some serious business right here. Did you put up you put all this together? You probably organized this.

I wasn't even around when that. You weren't even around really. James and Mike bellovo put that together. Wow.

This is fantastic. This needs to become its own little book. You guys distribute right there. So, um, I'll give you a little bit of history before we get started today. Let's make this an enjoyable experience.

So I heard the gospel later on in life. So I was around 17 years old and I was in a Christian bookstore in Washington DC. I used to go there every day after school I would just sit on the floor the name of the bookstore was heaven Christian bookstore that was the name of the store and I used to just just take a pile of books put them in front of me and just read and The name of the the owner was Tony.

He loved me used to always give me free stuff and and so I remember that the Bible we had in my house was the King James Version and It always collected like an inch of dust wherever we went in the world.

My dad was military. So we traveled everywhere. It always had its one place on top of the stereo and that was that was the Bible. And so I I remember when I came to Christ heard the gospel I was reading the King James Version and I was really struggling through it.

So I remember that I went to this bookstore and I'm I'm trying to find a good Bible that I can actually read and you Know just it'd be easier for me to read because the English was so old and a fight ensued at heaven Christian bookstore.

It was totally sanctified. It was amazing. So like these two guys are vying for me I had a KJV onlyist and another guy and so this guy's like no, these aren't the Word of God. This is the only Word of God.

These are all corruptions of Scripture and all pagan and I'm new at this. I don't know anything and so I'm totally confused. Well the KJV only a sort of storms out and then the one guy That was left was like look, you know, you can choose these Bibles are great translations.

But here you need to read this book. And so what he handed me one of the first Christian books I ever had was the King James Only controversy by dr. James White. So the truth is The first book I read as a professing Christian was the KJV only controversy by dr. James White.

So I move out to Arizona. I'm very young. I'm a 17 years old hadn't even graduated high school yet move out to Arizona and I see this billboard on the side of the road for the Mesa Easter pageant at the Mormon Temple and at the time I had been talking to lots of Mormons.

And I did not know there were so many Mormons in Arizona. And so I decided to go. I didn't know anybody. I just took a backpack filled it with Bible and other materials and resources that I had and so I got to the Mormon Temple in Mesa, Arizona and when I got out there, I was just in awe of the thousands and Thousands and thousands of people that were out there and so the interesting thing about this time and I know rich remembers this is that like in 1996 rich people would actually engage you and Surround you you had Mormon missionaries that would surround you.

They weren't afraid to talk to you. You had return missionaries I mean, so I see these little huddles like down the sidewalk of Mormons surrounding Christians and I do remember you rich you were there that that night that I was there and so you and I talked My very first night at the at the Easter pageant.

So I see this guy. He looked like what we would call today a hipster. He very this is scholarly James White. This is the old like he still had hair and the glasses, you know. He looked like a what if you took him from then now you people say oh look a hipster.

Wonderful. Get him some espresso. And so I see this guy just engaging Mormons and he's just answering questions and they're all engaging him. One and then the next one and then the next one and I was just like wow, this is amazing.

Praise God what an experience and so I was so Taken in by the whole thing that you were standing you were standing there rich. And so I said, hey, who was that guy? Who was that guy? And you were like, oh, that's James White.

And I was like James White. James White not James White the King James only controversy and you were like, yeah, that's Dr. White. And so that was my first time actually getting to meet you and Dr. White at the Mormon Temple in Mesa, Arizona.

It was an amazing experience. And so since that time many many years I have personally been impacted by rich and dr White and this ministry. I mean this ministry truly is shaping the world in many ways.

I mean this ministry has been the catalyst to start just a number of ministries churches. Church plants men going into seminary. Apology of church exists because of your labor and dr. White's labor. That's the truth.

And so it's an amazing experience and a humbling experience to be in this room right now. So what do you want to do today guys? What do you wanna do rich? Let's I you know what I do Thursday rich when I come back on Thursday I'm gonna bring a trinket that I leave in here and we'll see how long it actually remains.

We'll see how long it's. No, I know what I'll do. This is what I'll do. I'm gonna get a big picture of dr. White and me and I'm gonna See if it moves. All right, so let's get to it guys. Let's talk about Ministry in the area of abortion and I again thinking about like what would be a beneficial topic to talk about on the dividing line with all the really great years of Resources that dr. White has provided all of us on this show.

What would be a good topic to talk about and it's at the front. It's the at the front of my mind right now. But I think it does represent something very very serious for us to for us to engage as Christians because Essentially when we go to the abortion mill as apology at church what we're engaging with out There is very rarely honestly the Planned Parenthood supporter who is a professing Christian.

Does it exist? Yeah, it exists. I mean every once in a while you run into a person who professes to be a Christian who's a Planned Parenthood supporter out there actually hostile, you know warring against us trying to stop what we're doing that happens you run into the Typical person who says that they're Roman Catholic and they're a Planned Parenthood supporter.

But what I most commonly run into outside the abortion mill it's people who are humanists who are secularists who are coming at this from a Atheistic or agnostic perspective and wouldn't that be the case if our educational institutions the United States of America right now what public school elementary middle school high school or Advanced education.

We're talking about undergraduate degrees and graduate degrees. Wouldn't it be the case if if what is being propagated is Essentially an atheistic or agnostic and unbelieving worldview I mean the truth is is that this last generation has been raised in And a worldview that is that is entirely opposed to Christ from soup to nuts.

So our view of origins our epistemology You name it. It is rooted in a hostile unbelieving worldview and so what we do engage with outside of the abortion mill is the most commonly the Unbeliever that is the hostile atheist agnostic and interestingly, I don't know rich if you've seen some of the stuff we've been putting out lately We have at Planned Parenthood in Tempe.

I think rich we have one of the most hostile Locations in the United States. I mean, I have friends who are doing this across the country and I see difficult moments all all the way down. But I think our particular location that God has given to us Is one of the most hostile imaginable and the interesting thing about this location in Tempe is the people were engaging with our professed antitheists, I mean just militant.

But the interesting thing is there also many of them members of the Satanic Temple of Arizona. So they're the they're the the kind of Satanists that are the humanist Satanists. They worship the ideal of Satan and they actually say that they worship Satan through through activism and so that's that's part of their that's part of their their Confession of faith is that we worship Satan through activism and what is the activism?

Well activism would be on issues like abortion LGBT issues those sorts of things fighting against the patriarchy all that and so I think what would be beneficial for us is to Engage that kind of unbelief the atheist the agnostic the secularist the humanist.

Because abortion really for many of them is their sacred, right? It truly is. I mean it is it is very religious in a sense for them. It's their sacred, right? And so that's what I thought would be good for us to do.

So let's let's spring into this just to give you a taste of what it's like. Let's play a clip from Discussion that I had about I guess this is about. Let me see here. This is about two weeks ago or so.

We were outside of the Planned Parenthood in Tempe, Arizona. And again, this location is Hostile and it's becoming increasingly hostile. Every week that we go there are Planned Parenthood supporters that are dedicated to this location.

To stop us from what we're doing and I just want to say for anybody who's new to this discussion. You're just maybe seeing me for the first time in this wonderful tie. We go out to the abortion mill to preach the gospel.

To tell the truth about what's happening out there and to offer help. Love and support to the women and fathers that go in as a result of us going out for about the past three years. Over 70 babies have been saved just from apology at churches work locally.

That's just what we can confirm. That's just what we know about. We know that it's many more than that and as a result of people just watching us do what we do and hearing it. We've had now. Over 130 ministries pop up across the United States to do the same work.

I want you to talk about how that works. Yeah, because some of this comes back to way back to the rationale of Operation Rescue. Yeah, and the idea of What happens when you Interrupt that appointment and How that affects the actual abortion.

Yeah, yes. So it's interesting Operation Rescue all those guys in the 80s that were doing this work where they were actually going to the Abortion mills and they were they were blocking them. They were blocking them with their bodies.

They were stopping people from going in I mean there were thousands of arrests when that took place across the United States it really was a courageous a Courageous efforts across the United States from Christians.

I mean everywhere. I mean, I know John Piper was arrested a number of times Actually engaging in that exact work. He said he was in a restaurant I think he was in a pizza hut in the 80s and he saw The news was on and he saw Christians pastors across the country who are being arrested and he says in his in his Account of what happened.

He looked over at Noel his wife and he said this is right. This is this is right. This is what happens and dr. White that was he part of it. Did he do the same thing? I knew okay. I Know yeah now we're gonna talk just a bit about that today.

Yes. Yes. Oh Wow, that was the the abortion mill. He went to okay I believe so. I think dr. White said that so so in the 80s You had this movement of Christians across the country that were trying to make a courageous stand and symbol.

That we're not going to stand for the the murder of these pre-born children any longer and they were laying in front of the doors. They were chaining themselves to want to one another and they were getting arrested and it was actually an amazing symbol across the country of Christians.

Testifying to what was taking place in the abortion mills and all that now. The interesting thing is that as a result of that movement, not only did it did it awaken the nation in many ways? But it's in the in the long run began to actually Really put a lot of pressure and weight on abortion mill ministry because you even have laws that came out of that where there's two Year sentences for that sort of thing.

There's there has to be access to abortion mills. I mean at this point now it becomes very very risky and I'll take you off the mission field. Possibly for two years you can go to jail for two years for the work.

So it was an amazing moment. It was courageous. It was beautiful in many ways. But at this point where we're at today our conviction is is that it takes missionaries off the field at this point. You'd be there for half an hour and get arrested.

Possibly be in jail for two years or you can be there for eight hours ministering. So to answer your question rich what's. When we go out there. The the purpose is is to disrupt the industry itself to disrupt the business.

Through not the blockade kind of tactic and methodology. But through the proclamation of the gospel and what it looks like rich is you have about say from door to door about 15 to 30 seconds from door to door.

That's from their car door when they get out to the door of the abortion mill. And what we do is we call out to the women and to the fathers and we say what we tell the truth. We say please don't murder your child today.

We try to remind them of what they're suppressing. We please don't murder your child today. God commands you not to murder your child. We tell them the gospel. There's forgiveness in Christ. Please turn to Christ for forgiveness and salvation and then we plead with them for the life of their child.

We say we'll adopt your baby. We'll give you any resources anything that you would possibly need. Do you need food? Do you need money? Do you need shelter? Do you need medical services? I mean we know of rich we know of a of a doctor in Arizona who will do the entire process.

From start to finish for free if they don't go in for the abortion and so we offer all of these things and so our purpose of being there is to be a light to the neighborhood to the community to let them know what's happening to Preach the good news to these women and to save the lives of these children.

And so I mean the amazing thing is is that through God's grace nothing special in us and that's the truth. We've been able to hold some of these babies in our arms. That'll change you. I mean it really does.

My point in asking about the Operation Rescue Tie is the a lot of people don't realize there was actually a reason For blockading the clinics. Yeah, and that reason was very simple. And that is they looked at the statistics of if for whatever reason a woman doesn't make that first appointment Statistically, there was a certain number of them that would not make a follow-up appointment so by disrupting that first appointment you Statistically simply save lives, right?

And so the idea of shutting down a clinic for a day, you know, or for even a period of time It would yield the saving of lives. And that was the reason now they went after the Randall Terry and and the rest of them with Rico statutes and that's right they could come after them with yeah, just trying to pull everything out of the the law books that Possibly find and twist them into something that would put them in jail or yeah bankrupt them.

And if I recall that's how they put an end to Operation Rescue. They bankrupted them. Yeah. No, then that's a good point is.

When they started really coming back against Operation Rescue and all these Christians across the country that were doing this work and They actually hit him with the Rico Statute I mean, that's that's the racketeering.

That's that was that was essentially created for the mob and so what it did is it actually created an extreme level of pressure and financial difficulties and collapse for Christians across the country Pastors ministries churches in many many ways and so it it did a really good job of being the symbol.

It was courageous. It was beautiful as powerful. But as a result of that what what happened was the the clinic started actually coming back against these these Christians and those in this Movement hitting him with I mean there were people that had lawsuits of millions of dollars now Thank God it turned out after they were actually penalized with and there were and there were just now Clinics across the country globbing onto this and just coming after these guys.

Thankfully, they won an appeal and so it went that went away. But it did affect in many ways the ability to do that kind of a thing in the future. And so I think we've we've considered now as Christians What would be a very effective and wise way to approach this at this point where how can we stay on the field longer?

So our conviction is look you can go to that mill with your church and you can preach the gospel there for Hours and you can see lives saved you can see people come to Christ. I mean it really is a powerful Ministry, and you know, it's amazing to rich is like We've been out there for say at the Mormon Temple for I mean you've been out there way longer than me.

But so for me 1996 is my first year. That's that's 20 over 20 years of ministry for me. And when we go to the Mormon Temple We've had moments where it's hostile you get people that are aggressive that are not happy you're there.

They might grab you grab your tracks throw them down. They might throw something at you spit in your face throw an Arby's sandwich at somebody's head, you know, whatever but Generally speaking. I don't know if you feel the same way about this rich.

I love that ministry because generally speaking the Mormon people are so gracious and sweet and It's an amazing experience. I walk away and I'm full like that person was an amazing Person and I loved having a conversation with them and there were moments where it might get hostile.

But it's really an enjoyable experience in terms of its great Conversation you get an opportunity to preach the gospel. I just gotta say it like When you look at them the abortion mill ministry that needs to take place across the country.

The church can be light in this very dark area and it can end abortion hit those mills. It is the most horrible ugly Disgusting disturbing Experience you can possibly imagine. I mean you just consider it you have a woman that's walking in to kill her child she's gonna murder her child that day and She looks over at you and she says looking you dead in the eyes.

I know it's my baby. I Don't care. I know it's murder and I'm gonna do it. Anyways, all while she's you know, giving you the finger and walking into that door. It's a horrible experience because you know your first time getting there.

One of the things that happens often when you go to the abortion mill for the first time is people are all fired up. Yeah, I'm gonna get to go to the abortion mill now. And I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna I'm gonna minister there and I'm very excited about it.

And you generally see I'd say the great majority of people their first time covered in tears. Because the reality of it sets in I'm watching these mothers walk their babies into that door and they're gonna execute their children.

And they're gonna come out and their baby's gonna be dead. They're not gonna walk out of they're not a mom anymore. They're walking out of the the mother of a dead child and and it really starts to really impact you and set in like, you know What's really happening in my community near me this is actually taking place in a daily basis.

I mean, there are some days at our Planned Parenthood where you can have dozens Literally dozens of abortions on a Saturday on a Saturday morning. As dozens of children killed and so this isn't a this is an important thing for us to address as a church.

And I you know, I like Francis Schaeffer has a quote. He says that over the over every abortion clinic in the United States Reads a sign by permission of the church and I think that that's powerful testimony to Not just to be hurtful saying it's your fault Church.

But powerful testimony to just I think what can be done in this area and then this ministry. And I just want to say ahead of time for those of you guys are listening. Maybe maybe God is working on your heart in this area.

Maybe you feel a draw to this to this work. I want to say to you two things one. This is the ugliest most awful horrible ministry you'll ever do. It is and number two. It is the most beautiful and amazing and glorious ministry.

I'll ever do the the consequences Of not being there are dramatic but the the beauty and benefits of being there are far more dramatic and beautiful. We've seen and I just want to at least share some positive stories.

We've seen God save twin baby girls at our location. We've seen God save a baby. I always bring a story up because it's precious to me a little boy named Carmelo. His mother was actually in Planned Parenthood in Glendale on the pre-op table, she was in there and Because of us being out there and preaching the gospel and testifying to what was going on in there.

The father ends up coming out. I won't share the whole story with you. It's beautiful. But just for time's sake he comes out he ends up talking to one of the believers that are out there and he ends up Running back into Planned Parenthood and telling him demanding saying let me go in there to get my wife out.

And they're like, no, no, you can't go in there and he says if you don't let me in there right now I'm gonna kick that door down and they finally let him in grabs his wife drags her out. They come out and they're both bawling right there in the parking lot.

This is all taking place right in front of you. They're bawling their eyes out in the parking lot. We're all crying and he comes up. Take his family that day to eat. Took care of his family's needs. We babysat his other children for four months.

We the church churches across the valley came up with money to get his business back online. He was a landscaper. Somebody had stolen his trailer with all of his stuff for his business. Which is one of the reasons they said they needed to kill their baby was because they didn't have any way to support it.

And so we provided all that we said we'll pay for that. So he got his business back online. We got his house new furniture babysat his children and There's actually a sermon online. You can see I gave it's actually praise God for three years.

It's the number one recommended sermon on YouTube for three years now. It's the sermon that shocked everyone and it's titled that because it's true. That's what happened that day. Nobody expected me to bring up a baby safe from abortion that the sermon wasn't about abortion.

So it shocked everybody. But in that sermon, you'll see Tina come up with Carmelo and she's just crying saying please do this, please. Get involved, please. He's seen she just she's she's weeping and she says if they hadn't been there that day I wouldn't have my baby.

So please do this work. And I could I could be here for the next two episodes of dividing line talking about amazing stories. But let me just stress one last time. This is an important work for the Christian Church to be in because.

What we're thinking about now is not just in theory babies might die. No every day right now right now today in our nation. There is a baby but trying before this episode is over. There will be babies who were killed by dismemberment by chemical means before this episode is over and What what needs to be said here is that the problem is spiritual it is inherently spiritual.

It is that well God says those who hate me love what? Death those who hate me love death and and that couldn't be seen more vividly than what takes place at that abortion. Well, let me tell you their feet are swift to shed blood.

Yep. Go to your local Planned Parenthood or Women's Center. That's exactly what you'll see. But the problem is spiritual. The problem is a darkened heart a problem is Romans 3. There is none righteous.

There is none who seeks for God. There is none who does good. There is no fear of God before their eyes their feet are swift to shed blood. That is the problem across our nation and. And I and I want to stress this just as a minister of the gospel the way out the way out of this is not through compromising and assuming a position of neutrality in this because I'm convinced of this rich if.

As a nation we have killed 60 million children since Roe v. Wade. I'm convinced that if we ended abortion tomorrow and we just said, okay, we're not gonna have abortion anymore. But we don't call it murder.

We don't approach it for what it actually is and we don't say anything about the past. I don't think we've accomplished very much in terms of changing the course of our of our nation where are we going and you know.

You haven't addressed the salvific aspects because you know. If you stop a nation from committing abortions where your nation if your nation doesn't know Jesus people don't know Jesus. What have you accomplished?

And so I'm convinced as a minister of the gospel that the answer to abortion in our country is not through neutrality not through compromise. But it's through the proclamation of the gospel. What do we believe fundamentally especially on this and especially on this amazing Program we believe Romans 1 16 that it is the gospel.

That is the power of God for salvation. We we have to allow the issue of abortion to be about the gospel. And and why am I stressing that right now? I'm stressing it right now because over the last 40 years a pro-life movement for all of the amazing things that God has done.

And in his in his providence and in his grace and power the things that he has done to preserve so many lives through some of the labor and ministry of people who are in the pro-life movement. In many ways it's been a failure to the degree that it does not stand on the Word of God and make the issue about Sin and the gospel you mentioned rich and I've heard I've heard James talk about it.

You've mentioned that dr. White was heavily involved. He was arrested At an abortion mill and that's he had to eventually make his way out and and and allow a distinction to be made between what his message was and what was happening commonly in the pro-life movement and.

That we know is you have a lot of a lot of Roman Catholics in the pro-life movement. And I thank God for every Roman Catholic standing for the life of a child. I thank God for that. But there is a lot of compromise in the pro-life movement in the sense that.

And I'll play a clip for you in a moment here even the vice president for the national right to life says that they don't want to call it murder and They're not fighting for it in terms of let's let's fight against it as the murder of a child.

And they even say things very clearly like we want to take a backdoor approach. We don't want to use Christian terminology. We don't want to use Christian language. We we just want to make this about biology.

We just want to make it about that's a human life and what I say to that is That I don't think you're spending a lot of time out on the streets. I don't think you're spending a lot of time Communicating with the people in our culture today you say to them all day That's a human being.

I can demonstrate it to you. Not only from the scriptures, but also biologically speaking. It has all the biological components of a human being from conception. The only difference is size level of development.

Environment and degree of dependence biologically human being you could show it to them all day. You know what they still say I know it's a human being and I still have the right to kill it because it's a moral Question.

It's not a question of whether it's a human being that's undeniable. It's irrefutable at this point. Abortionists don't go that direction. You see abortionist saying yeah, I know I'm killing a human child, right?

But I have a moral right to do it. So it's a question of like whose law will you obey, right? My own personal law the law of my little huddle over here at ASU. The law of this guy or that group whose law do we obey who gets to say that?

We shouldn't kill another human being in the womb. Because what you'll see on the streets and you'll see it in our videos that we post we record what happens out there. So that the world sees it. We're trying to put light on it.

Usually people you'll see people say yeah, I know it's murder and I have a right to murder my child. Yeah, I know it's a human being so the pro-life movement will approach this. Many times not everybody it'd be wrong to broad brush it because there are a lot of solid Christians who are considered pro-life and in A pro-life movement and cause but they'll say things often like well, we don't want to call it murder.

And we just need to convince people of the biological aspects of it. Well, the problem is is you're throwing all of that against a human heart that is fallen. Right. It's a fallen human heart and they're like, yeah, I know it's human and I can kill it.

I can murder it. It's my choice my body my choice. And so what I think needs to take place as local churches across the United States is we need to consider that we have to speak into this issue from a Christian a Consistent Christian position standing on the Word of God and biblical principles actually making this about repentance and faith like that's a human being.

Made in the image of God and it's murder and God commands you not to do it. And here's what Jesus did to save murderers. This is the story of Jesus now repent and believe the gospel. That's that's our approach.

So you look at your itching to say something. Well, I was gonna say that.

It is interesting how far? The seared conscience of this mentality has come because back in the 80s and the 90s the terminologies that were used by these people were all geared to Dehumanize right as much as possible.

Yeah, and so it wasn't we were born aborting a baby it is we're removing products of conception or. You know think along those those lines so everything that they could do to dehumanize What they're doing as abortionists in order to salve their conscience now.

It just seems like If you don't see the hand of God being taken off of the restraints of these people over the last 15 to 20 years You're not paying attention. That's right because nowadays it's yeah.