March 19, 2020 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “With Liberty & Justice for All: Christian Politics Made Simple”

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I will check momentarily when the last time we had Dr. Joe Moore craft on the program, but it was definitely when we were still broadcasting out of Long Island, New York on WGBB and WNYG radio in Babylon Long Island.

But dr. Joe more craft is my guest today. And I am thrilled to have him on he's pastor of heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia. Which is a part of the Hanover Presbytery and today? We are going to be addressing his book with liberty and justice for all Christian politics made simple and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a very long absence.

Dr. Joe more craft. Well, the pleasure is all mine brother and why don't you tell our listeners Something a bit more about heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia. It's a sad commentary in this day and age when Many people unfortunately hear the name Presbyterian in a church they immediately think of a mainline dead left-wing church that is feminist that is pro abortion pro homosexual marriage, etc.

So why don't you? dispel any anxiety. That our listeners may have about heritage Presbyterian Church.

Presbyterian Church. I'm very happy to hear that and.

Obviously there are many people who are unfamiliar with the fundamentalist modernist controversy and So our listeners should know that there have been biblically faithful Presbyterians all along and when the when the predominant number of Presbyterian denominations became Very liberal in the early ninth of the early 20th century the The those that were faithful broke away some voluntarily some involuntarily.

I believe Jake Reshamation was excommunicated if I'm not mistaken from from the liberal Mainline Presbyterian Church to which he once belonged. I think it was over the Pearl Buck controversy. Refused to support her as a missionary.

If I'm not mistaken, that's right and so people should Be educated that there have always been truly faithful and biblical and Christ honoring and Regenerate Presbyterians throughout the history.

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Before I move on to the main theme today Christian politics made simple. I understand that you have written a Monumental commentary in the Westminster Confession of Faith if you could address that Westminster commentary comm and I hope that as many of you as possible will take advantage of that and obviously one of the greatest Historic catechisms of the Christian faith and even we who are Reformed Baptists Very often use the Westminster Catechism larger and shorter and Sometimes they have been published in Baptist versions with the only difference on these catechisms being the issue of baptism since Reformed Baptists obviously are Credo Baptists who believe in the baptism of believers alone, but Reformed Baptists have always Held in extremely high esteem Our Presbyterian brothers and that is why the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith is nearly identical purposely to the Westminster Confession.

Because of the fact that they wanted to show camaraderie with their Presbyterian brethren's in the 17th century when that that confession was drafted and they wanted to People put people at ease their brothers in Christ it is that they were not a cult of some kind that they were standing for most of the same biblical vital biblical teachings that the Presbyterians and larger Reformed Body of Christians adhere to including the Congregationalists as well because they also borrowed from the Savoy Declaration but I am honored to At some point in the very near future.

Have you back on? Dr. Moore craft to discuss your commentaries on the catechism and and in the catechism itself. Yes, it is and so are we who are Reformed.

Although.

Although Presbyterians do on occasion get dunked as that if they've never been baptized as infants. So I know I know some that have been dunked by Presbyterian pastors.

But.

But anyway folks if you'd like to join us on the air our email address again is Chris Arns in a gmail .com. Well this book has Stood the test of time. It's it is an excellent book. Has been for decades.

Why don't you tell us about the initial? Catalyst. Why you wrote with liberty and justice for all Christian politics made simple.

Late 80s as a result of some his own publishing company was at those sermons and. So he himself and I tried to make the biblical principles the political issues in front of us. I don't know how many many printings and Brazil.

It was translated into Portuguese and God has used candidate a political stand on what does the Bible say the other day of everything about which it speaks and. It speaks about everything back in the middle 80s I ran for why are you getting into politics and can you tell us about the origin of civil government?

Government is not a negative thing and on the right friendly now. To be Etc. Not only of Israel by nations in the earth calling them to repent of their lawlessness. Jesus the concern to him was not what the Pharisees were concerned with.

They were concerned with whether or not Jesus was Blaspheming by calling himself old. It's all another place now. People have assumed about being the nature with politics and things like that here on earth.

That's not what the Greek says. What the Greek says when he says pilot usually I know if I'm a king it is as you say and my kingdom is not from this world. It's from another place. So he wasn't talking about the nature of his kingdom.

He was talking about the origin of his kingdom my rule my authority my kingdom originates not with man. But it originates in heaven with God himself and then you have Paul in Romans 13. You have so many references to political institutions and revelation so throughout the scriptures.

You have this concern. Individuals personal salvation, which is the now you said something.

Critical about libertarians. Perhaps not all. But it is interesting that unless my memory is incorrectly serving me I Recall in a conversation with you perhaps it was 2008 where you were supportive of the presidential candidacy of Ron Paul who before becoming a Republican presidential candidate he he actually ran in 1988 for the Libertarian Party, which obviously his Connection with the Libertarian Party is far different from the Libertarian Party today, which is Amazingly not Libertarian in many ways in fact in favor of gun control and all kinds of things but and abortion, unfortunately.

But can you tell us about that? Do you seem to at least have some affection for? Libertarians, I happen to have some leanings in that area. But I am not in any stretch of the imagination a cookie cutter libertarian.

I believe in strong Border control and things like that, but if you could yes, if you could comment, well, you've got a good memory and.

You're right. Many years ago They party had a pro-lot run as their candidate in their platform. Non-christian libertarianism poverty of the individual or T at May never be compromised. Hence the non-christian libertarian sexual marriage as well as homosexual lifestyle.

Well, you as I as Christians don't believe in the sovereignty of the state or the sovereignty of the don't believe that the individual is Superior. See just like the threeness and the oneness of God. Which is more important God is one or God is three late to each other.

That the stuff ability is in that fit and hence to change go and you can't.

Come up with a more anti-libertarian individual. Now I don't want to sidetrack our discussion and.

Over.

Dwell in the area of libertarianism, but I was just curious How you would respond to a friend of mine who is now with Christ for eternity. He was a Christian libertarian and well known amongst many Libertarians, especially Christians.

His name is William Norman Grigg. I don't know if that name sounds familiar to you. He was a Mormon at one time and came to faith in Jesus Christ. Was the was the editor of the New American magazine, which is the magazine of the John Birch Society and He when I asked him about his view on same-sex marriage Said well as a Christian.

I am obviously Opposed to homosexuality is it is an abomination. It is unnatural. It's damnable but he said my Thrust in this argument is that the government does not belong meddling in anyone's marriage.

So, how do you respond to that kind of a comment?

My favorite patriotic song called the author of Liberty example the United States. A Nation cannot maintain liberty for long if it does not die. And then it's after that, of course whenever you study a passages context after that.

It talks about how we are to send the next political realm and make sure your views and your attitudes Toward the civil magistrate only objective about anything. Religiously that's right because even even atheists are religious.

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Well given that he was the Prime Minister of the Netherlands from 1901 to 1905. We'll have you answer that when we come back from the break. If anybody else would like to join us, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Dr. Joe Moore craft who is pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia the author of a number of books including a monumental six volume commentary on the Westminster larger catechism. We are discussing his book with liberty and justice for all Christian politics made simple and before the break Tyler and mastic Beach Long Island, New York asked the question.

Do you think that Abraham Kuyper was a good example of someone who balanced theology and politics? Well, given that he was the prime minister of the Netherlands from 1901 to 1905.

Which I can't quote paraphrase. He said there's not one square inch in this. Abraham Kuyper Wrote a book lectures that everybody ought to read. I'm a national preference. They should read his books. That's still being printed today called Lectures to inform and govern every area of life.

Praise God. And from my recollection.

Not only was Abraham Kuyper once liberal he was also a lost man as a pastor and An elderly woman if I'm not mistaken in his congregation. Was used powerfully by God to lead him to Christ for the first time when he was already a pastor.

Yeah, well, thanks a lot Tyler and guess what. Thanks to the generosity of comprehensive Christianity comm you have received. You will receive a free copy of the book. We are discussing today with liberty and justice for all Christian politics made simple by our guest. Dr. Joe Moore.

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Thanks for the excellent question. We also have a question from Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina a very loyal and faithful listener to this program going all the way back to its Beginnings in 2005 and also a very loyal financial supporter.

Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina says hi brothers Chris and Joe as a child of the King Jesus Christ I realized that we must trust him and his sovereignty. But as a citizen of the United States, I believe it's our civic duty to vote.

However When evangelizing I try to avoid the subject of politics. Because I want the person to see that they're a sinner and in need of Christ for their redemption. Recently, I encountered a man and he wanted to keep bringing up our president and politics.

How would you have handled that situation to get him back to the gospel? Excellent question Grady.

That is but would not be by concern sinful nature That 16 submit ourselves only about the Savior of Christ, but I would talk about the Lord. Receive him as our Savior. We receive him as our Lord if I shall confess With our mouth that Jesus is leaving not a heart thing we do later.

Praise God. And thank you so much Grady for your excellent question as always and.

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Today. I'm gonna have you think about something before we go to our midway break. Grady said something that it is our duty to vote. I know personally Christians a very biblically sound Christians. In fact, the one of which Is a mutual friend of both of ours?

Who.

Believe that a Christian should not be shamed If he is faced with voting whether it be for president or a local political official. If he is forced with the option of voting for two people that in his mind are equally evil.

I could even remember back in the 90s 1994 to be precise George Pataki Ran for governor of the state of New York when I was still living in New York. He ran against Mario Cuomo. And both of these men were equally salivating with joy over the murder of unborn children.

So There's a Christian is a Christian obligated to vote for either of these candidates. That's right, we're going to a break we have to go to our midway break right now, thank you for reminding me Joe.

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