Are Transgender Children Indisputable Proof of Total Depravity?

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Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we'll seek to answer the age-old question, are transgender children indisputable proof of total depravity?

Now, I think we picked a pretty good topic, a pretty spicy topic probably for most people to start their week off with, don't you think, Tim?

Yeah, man. Well, maybe you can get a few more death threats added to your list.

Yeah, since I'm apparently in that territory now where I'm starting to receive death threats from people. You know, the funny thing is my anxiety hasn't gone up at all. I haven't had to get on any medication, even though people are coming after me and threatening to end my life now.

It's crazy how that works.

Yeah, well, when you get death threats, it's indisputable proof that then you have some kind of mental disorder which you need medication to take. So that's all it takes is just get a death threat, and then your brain stops working.

You know, and the thing is that makes me a victim now. I'm like tippy-top status in terms of the class system that we're forming in the West now where victims are untouchable.

I'm basically untouchable now. I think how that only works one way, because you're at the top of the intersectional hierarchy. I suppose you don't get any of the victim privileges like the rest of the people do.

Oh, no, not at all. If I went on Twitter and said that I was a victim because I was getting death threats, I think people who are to the left of me would probably say, yeah, well, you deserve it. But whatever.

Podcast Promotion and the Matt Walsh Vanderbilt Investigation

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So go over there, subscribe to us on YouTube. And now that we've got that out of the way, Tim, why don't we dive into this topic question. Are transgender children indisputable proof of total depravity?

And really the reason that we're covering this this week is because a pretty big story broke out thanks to Matt Walsh over at The Daily Wire. And we wanted to take a minute to just show you the tweet thread that he put out because it got a lot of traction.

And I think Matt Walsh has been meeting with various government officials over in Tennessee about this story. But let me show you this tweet thread and just kind of read through it. So it says, My team and I have been investigating the transgender clinic at Vanderbilt here in Nashville.

Vanderbilt drugs, chemically castrates, and performs double mastectomies on minors. But it gets worse. Here's what we found. Let's start at the beginning. Vanderbilt opened its trans clinic in 2018. During a lecture the same year, Dr. Shane Taylor explained how she convinced Nashville to get into the gender transition game.

She emphasized that it's a big moneymaker, especially because the surgeries require a lot of follow-ups. Vanderbilt was apparently concerned that not all of its staff would be on board. Dr. Ellen Clayton warned that conscientious objectors are problematic.

Anyone who decides not to be involved in transition surgeries due to religious beliefs will face quote-unquote consequences. In case the objectors hadn't gotten the memo, Vanderbilt unveiled a program called Trans Buddies.

The Buddies are trans activists from the community who attend appointments with trans patients, monitoring the doctors to guard against unsafe behavior such as misgendering. Hey, hey, alright, quick aside, quick aside.

So the tweet above this says that if you are a person who decides not to be involved in transition surgeries due to religious beliefs, you will face consequences, which sounds extremely threatening. And then in the very next tweet, you have these trans buddies that are protecting the quote-unquote protecting the children from unsafe behavior such as misgendering.

I want you to see that, notice the duality there in the way that people are treated. But anyways, let's continue. The next tweet says, Vanderbilt makes their trans buddies available to children too. They make lots of services available to children, including chemical castration.

Though at some point in the last month, they removed explicit admission of this fact from their site. Here's the archive screenshot, and then obviously they show a screenshot there. But they must have forgot to delete a video from Vanderbilt Psychiatry's YouTube channel back in 2020, which admits explicitly that they will give and have given irreversible hormone drugs to children as young as 13.

After they have drugged and sterilized the kids, Vanderbilt, as explained in this video presentation by plastic surgeon Julian Winokur, and physician's assistant Shailen Vanderblomen, will happily perform double mastectomies on adolescent girls.

So let's review. Vanderbilt got into the gender transition game, admittedly in large part because it is very financially profitable. They then threatened any staff members who objected and enlisted a gang of trans activists to act as surveillance in order to force compliance.

They now castrate, sterilize, and mutilate minors as well as adults, while apparently taking steps to hide this activity from the public view. This is what healthcare has become in modern America. So there is a lot to take in there.

Wouldn't you agree, Tim?

Yeah, no, it's amazing just to think about the double standard that exists and just the way that that thing is packaged. And some of the things that you mentioned in particular, like they're threatening legal consequences for people who stick to their religious beliefs, but then at the same time they're playing the victim and pretending like they're the ones who are, you know, they're the ones that need a protection from the unsafe behaviors, so to speak.

Such as misgendering. Such as misgendering. And then the whole buddy system is kind of funny. You know, you have to comment on the buddy system. It's like, you know, you're just reminded of like a high school field trip or something like that where you go on a high school field trip.

Yeah, finding Nemo. Do you have your exit buddy?

But, I mean, it's a sad situation, but there are comical elements in there. If you can shut off some of that. You know, like this is a horrendous kind of thing that we're talking about. Right, right.

You have to keep it. Yeah, it's like, it's terrible, but then you just, and at the same time you just have to laugh at how, I mean, just idiotic it is, right?

It is so crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy that so many people are caught up in this kind of pervasive society-wide delusion. Yeah. It's difficult to even know what to make of it all.

Right. So with going back to the topic question, are transgender children indisputable proof of total depravity? What are your thoughts on that question? What would your answer be?

Total Depravity, Debased Minds, and the Contradictions of Modern Sexual Ethics

Yeah, well, I do want to register my scandal at the thought of transgender people in general. I mean, I do want to basically point out that transgender people don't exist and we're just simply playing pretend.

But because this is the language that people insist upon us using, it is useful sometimes just to use that language if you're going to speak to the issue's presence. But yeah, I mean, transgender people don't exist.

It's not actually possible to transition your gender. But then leaving that aside, the presence of transgender children in particular, is that indisputable proof of the doctrine of total depravity? Well, I mean, I think in a certain sense it's difficult to imagine the society that has so lost its way.

And of all the doctrines that exist, there's been many a theologian who's essentially said that the doctrine of total depravity is the kind of doctrine that can certainly be empirically verified. When you think about how crazy we actually are, and how pervasive and stubborn the doctrine of the sinfulness of man actually is, this is just an example of how insane a society can be when they're given over to judgment by God.

So when God starts to remove his restraining hand on a society, they're given over to a debased mind. And debased mind in the Greek is a mind that is no longer a mind. It's a mind that is not functioning as a mind.

So God has given us over to insanity, if you want to put it that way.

It's kind of like King Nebuchadnezzar, right?

Right, he's given over to the mind of a beast, so to speak. And we're given over to a debased mind, a mind that's no longer functioning as a mind. There's nothing more insane or stupid or idiotic than the idea of the transgender phenomenon in general.

There's a few things that are just as crazy as that. But then when you add to that the additional layer that we're encouraging children to follow down this delusion... There's so many contradictions at this point that it's just mind-boggling.

On the one hand, you have the MeToo movement that is very dogmatically insisting upon the fact that anyone below the age of 18 cannot possibly consent to sex. Laws of consent vary from state to state.

But in the minds of your typical MeToo activist, whatever they happen to be at that state... You can imagine a scenario where a girl who is literally 17 years and 364 days old engaging in consensual sex...

Which is fornication, it's wrong. With a man who is 18 years and one day old. You can imagine the kind of MeToo activist that would be totally scandalized by that. And treat that man as a child rapist for the rest of his life and want to put him on a sexual predator list and all that.

You can imagine that kind of scenario and that's just the way things are with the age of consent. But then at the same time, it depends on what issue that we're stepping into. So if you're stepping into the MeToo issue, a person under the age of consent, however close they happen to be, they're considered to have almost zero moral agency.

And not only in that kind of scenario, but if you have a 27 year old woman engaging in consensual sex with a man who is her boss or something like that. They're willing to take complete and total agency even from a woman in that kind of scenario.

But if you compare that to the transgender kind of thing, it's like now all of a sudden you're being asked to believe at the same time in the same society that a 12 year old girl can have the kind of moral awareness needed to determine that they are an individual who is trapped in the wrong body.

And that they need to chemically castrate themselves. If they're a man or if they're a woman, they need to get top surgery and everything else. And get on hormone treatments and totally destroy their ability to have children for the rest of their life.

And there's no going back from these kind of things. Stunt their development. A lot of these things there's no going back from. And they're asked to do this and it's demanded that you treat them as if they're just a moral agent who is absolutely aware and capable of making these kind of decisions.

While at the same time in other categories they have zero moral agency as long as you want them to have it, right? Depending on the situation. It's totally contradictory. Right, it's totally contradictory.

And I'm not saying anything necessarily specific about the first scenario. I'm just trying to say that those two scenarios don't match. We need to figure out what we're doing. But then you're living in the kind of society right now that can't, like there's no rules to the game.

And you're trapped in certain ideological circles to where you're not, like there's no making sense of it at all. None of it makes sense at this point anymore. You're just asked to adopt an increasingly irrational set of propositions that don't match with other sets of propositions that you're asked to adopt.

And at this point we've chucked logic and reason out the door. So yeah, I mean that's evidence of total depravity for sure. Now I do want to say with the doctrine of total depravity, total depravity doesn't mean, and this is a common confusion, that everyone is as bad as what they could be.

But it does mean that every faculty, like the mind, will, the emotions, are all pervasive, I guess a pervasive, a comprehensive depravity. It's all affected by sin. But then, you know, a corollary to that is a total inability to come to God apart from salvific grace.

And, you know, God, like man is conceived in sin, and when God gives a society over to their depravity, when they refuse to acknowledge Him in their thoughts, I mean, there's no telling how far down the depravity rabbit hole we can actually go as far as that's concerned.

Right, right, yeah. So I definitely have a lot of questions based off of your response there. But the first thing I want to ask you is to just take us back and explain what you mean when you said that there are actually no trans people.

Like, that's not a thing. What do you mean?

Why Transgender Identity Is Not a Real Ontological Category

Yeah, the logic of the, the idea of a transgender person is a person who, you know, in some sense has, you know, like if they're born biologically a male, and then they feel like as if their sense of identity doesn't match with those biological realities.

And so they, you know, get some sort of surgery, and they identify as the opposite gender. And then we're to refer to them now as being a transgender person. You know, and like, the problem with that is that they didn't actually change their gender.

Like, that's the point. Like, there's no way to change your gender. I, I think, was it, was it you that posted that meme about all the, like, the, the features of being a transgender, you quote unquote person, like having the Adam's apple and the...

No, normally, normally the answer would be yes, but this time, no, I didn't, I didn't post that one. You know which one I'm talking about?

I don't know that I've seen that. There is, yeah, there is a meme that went around, and I really thought it was you. Maybe you've lost track of the amount of memes that you put out being the meme generator.

But, you know, it listed all the biological features, like, you know, for a male in particular, you know, I guess their index finger is longer than the ring finger. But then for a woman, the ring finger is longer than the index finger.

And then there's Adam's apple. And, you know, all these features that there's just a big long list of things that you can't fundamentally change if, even if you tried to whatsoever, you know? And so, I mean, like the, the issue is that there's no way to change your gender.

Right. Biology just screams at you. You have chromosomes, you have all these, you know, immutable characteristics that no amount of….

You have to be a science denier to….

You have to be, yeah, you have to be a literal science denier. So, like the idea of a transgender person, there isn't such a thing as a transgender person. It's just what you have is you have individuals who are pretending to be members of the opposite sex and may, you know, go to great lengths to continue in that delusion.

But it's not actually a thing that can happen.

But then, yeah, but then like at the cellular level, you can't change who you are. Right, I mean…. You can't change what God made you.

Right, and that's what's so absurd about the whole thing. Like, that's what's so insane and absurd about the whole thing is that we're just pretending at this point. Right. And not only are they pretending, but then they're demanding that everyone else pretends with them.

Right, right, which is really concerning. Okay, so going back to everything about your answer to the topic question, I guess maybe a good place to start would be…. So, it seems more and more popular to try and get children involved in all of the various sexually deviant things that are going on, especially in America right now.

Or if they're not becoming more popular, at least they're becoming more publicized. I don't know which one it is, but I'm certainly seeing more and more of it. So, why do you think it is that people on the left who believe in this sort of ideology when it comes to transgenderism, why do you think it is that they are seemingly pushing this so hard on children specifically?

Why not just restrain it to only people over the age of 18? If that's the age that you want to say someone's an adult at, why not just keep it there? Why are they pushing so hard for children to get these things?

Why the Left Pushes Transgender Ideology on Children

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a complicated issue because there's a lot of things that are happening all at once. And, you know, people are being pulled in different directions as far as that kind of thing is concerned.

But, I mean, part of it is that the left has backed themselves in an ideological corner to where they basically have to praise these things that they know, like many of them know are a little bit crazy.

Yeah. Many of them know that, like, okay, we know that this is a little bit nuts. And, you know, I'm aware of people who are employed by organizations where all these things are demanded and forced upon them at every conceivable level.

And, you know, if you're the kind of individual who pushes back against these things at all, one of the things you'll realize is that there are double standards that are at play, you know, even in this kind of thing.

I mean, there are double standards, like, you know, most leftists don't really want to follow the logic of this project to its logical extreme because there are actually practical issues that get in the way of doing that.

And so what you have to do is, a lot of it's about, like, token diversity and token inclusion. You have to do enough to show that you're on the right side, but then you know that at a certain level it gets unmanageable really quickly.

Right. There's a lot of people who just, they have, they know the rules of the game, they know what's being demanded of them, and they're going to follow along because they, you know, for them, like, there's like a religious devotion to the project.

Like, that's part of it. Part of it is, like, this gives them a sense of moral superiority, this gives them a sense of, you know, like, they're on the right side. This is a way they're managing their guilt and their shame and their condemnation by being on, you know, quote unquote, the right side of history.

So some of it is that kind of thing. But then, so that, you know, you have individuals who, like, right now the new project is to normalize, like, transgenderism. And then now that project is being foisted upon them, and they know the rules of the game, they know their marching orders, they know how to keep their jobs, right?

So a lot of it's about keeping your job, being in the position, and so they can have a different sort of agenda than the transgender person does, so to speak, right? Meaning, like, they could be motivated not so much by, like, on their end, it's not so much about them trying to force these, some of them foisting these things on children so much as it could just be about, like, job preservation.

And, you know, they bought into the project to some degree, even though they know, many of them know it's, like, unwieldy at a certain level. But then, so part of it, like, there's those kind of people.

And then there's, like, the transgender people proper. And I think, you know, one of the things that's insane about it, you know, all the drag queen story hours and, you know, where the drag queens are going and dressing like strippers and getting young children to, you know, touch them and put money in their underwear and that kind of stuff.

I think at that level, like, for the liberal-minded person, that kind of person can be, they're, like, the ultimate victim in the hierarchy, right? Okay, what do you mean? Like, the transgender person is, like, the ultimate kind of victim now, right?

Okay. So it was, like, you know, gay is the new black, and now it's trans is the new gay, right? Next is, I mean, and, like, we're not quite there yet, but fat is kind of the new trans, right? And then, you know, disabled is the new fat, you know?

Okay. But, you know, like, we're still, like, in the transgender-heavy part of this phase, right? Yeah. Like, it's going to move in that order, but we're in the transgender part. But then what you have is a lot of perverts, right?

You have a lot of pedophile transgender people who are essentially preying upon children. And the left is kind of hamstrung at that point to where they have to universally give, like, normalize this stuff in a way that's kind of insane, right?

Right. Well, I mean, you know, to your point, and I know you didn't mention this in terms of the whole, like, victim status thing, but this is legitimately going to become one of the, you know, untouchable victims.

Victim categories is the whole, like, MAPS movement. Yeah, the minor attracted people, you know? And, I mean, when you believe the things that progressives do, you have abandoned any sort of logical defense against something like a minor attracted person.

Right. There is no defense because they've dug their own grave at this point. Right. Yeah. And so what you have is you have, like, these, I mean, you know, and I think pedophile is an unfortunate psychological term that I'm not loaning into.

I'm just using it as a, if you want to describe it as a minor attracted person, whatever. I think that would be at least more accurate than, like, a pedophile kind of word for different reasons. But, like, that kind of person, though, is, I mean, they are perverts that are preying on children.

They're perverted people who are preying on children. And, like, what they're doing is absolutely scandalous, right? I mean, it's absolutely scandalous. It's horrendous what they're doing. I mean, if you would just switch, like, your thought process to, like, if this wasn't, you know, a quote unquote transgender person, but if this was just, like, a stripper story hour, right?

Where strippers go in and to the library to read to children, everyone would think this is insane, right? Right, yeah. Like, to have stripper, you know, Playboy Bunny, you know, story time hour. Everyone would think this is nuts, but that's indistinguishable from what, like, these pedophile minor attracted perverted transgender people are doing at the libraries.

It's indistinguishable from that. Right. You just have a bunch of sexual deviant people who are, and, you know, like, they're trying the best they can to suppress all the stories of, you know, them actually, you know, these transgender people actually who are going into these, you know, libraries and schools and everything else, actually having, you know, child porn on their computer and everything else.

They're trying the best they can to suppress those kinds of things. But, you know, stories come out, and there are more and more stories coming out to show that this is obviously what we thought it was, right?

Right, yeah. Those kind of stories and, you know, kind of stories.

Stories about them, you know, quote unquote, accidentally exposing themselves to children in the middle of the story hour time.

Well, I mean, there's videos of them doing it, you know? Right. And, you know, it's not, I guess, this is, like, the same problem at every level, you know? So the man who self-identifies as a woman goes into the women's, you know, prison and impregnates three or four women before he gets, you know, moved into his own cell kind of thing.

That's, like, we know how this works, right? We know what's going on in a lot of these cases. So, you know, you're asking the question, like, why is the left so intent on exposing, you know, children to this kind of insanity, this kind of craziness?

And part of it is just you have a protected class that you have to defend, and you have to pretend like they're, like, literally saints, right? So you have to pretend like they are, and they may have a little bit of a different agenda than others do.

So part of it, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I'm tracking. But then, you know, there is, like, what you mentioned, too, the money-making aspect of it. There is a lot of money in the surgery. And, you know, and for many people, these are religious, like, things that they're devoted to, and it doesn't matter if it makes sense.

It doesn't matter if it's logical. God's just given them over to a debased mind to where they can't even see how crazy it is anymore. Yeah, yes. And if they could, you know, they're so, like, afraid to call it what it is that they refuse to say it, you know?

And then you have all the what is the term now for the feminist who is anti-trans?

What was that term? Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, I don't know. I didn't even know that existed, honestly.

Well, yeah, like, the idea of feminism is, like, feminism is the opposite ideology as the transgender movement. And so they're I can't remember the term. I wish I could remember the term right now.

But trans-exclusionary radical feminists, TERFs. That's a mouthful. Yeah, trans-exclusionary radical. So, like, the issue, though, is feminism is incompatible with transgenderism. Because feminism like, the idea of feminism is that, you know, there is no differences between men and women.

Like, the differences are purely superficial. So, like, a woman can do anything a man can do, and probably better, right? That's old-school feminism. But then the issue is, like, if you're gonna like, these gender stereotypes, they're just arbitrary.

You just like, they're a product of not nature, but nurture, right? And so, like, the feminist project is basically just to say that all these gender stereotypes are not real. Men and women are basically interchangeable parts.

A woman can do anything a man can do. Like, we're basically the same kind of thing. But then the trans person comes along, and then they say, well, I'm a man trapped in a woman's body. Or I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.

And then if you were to ask them, you know, like, man, Walsh is done. You know, what is a woman, right? Well, like, the issue is then at that point, well, like, on a certain sense, like, if you're going with the feminism, you can't answer the question, right?

You can't answer the question, but if you're like, if you're a trans person, like, how do you identify yourself as being a woman? Well, like, if you're a man, how do you identify yourself as being a woman?

Well, you basically retreat to all the old gender stereotypes that the feminists have tried to destroy. So you basically say, well, I like pink, you know? I like playing with dolls. I like reading romance novels, right?

And then when you transition into a woman, what you do is you dress up as, like, you know, Bruce Jenner did. You dress up like a gaudy pinup model, right? Well, that's everything that like, you basically take all the female stereotypes and you run with them.

And that's everything that the transgender or that's everything that the radical feminists have been fighting against for all these years. And so you have two, like, incompatible ideologies, essentially.

Feminism, Gender Stereotypes, and the Collapse of the LGBTQ Coalition

Yeah, yeah.

No, that makes a lot of sense, especially thinking through, like, the fact that I mean, I guess it's been, what, at least 50 years? But I think even longer since feminism has been around, right? And there's been several different waves of it.

I think I guess we're on fourth wave feminism now? Or are we a fifth wave?

Oh, who knows? Yeah. I can't there was a funny meme. I wish I would have had it now, too, that was related to the different waves of feminism. But, yeah. Yeah, we're who knows? I think we're on maybe third or fourth at the very least.

Yeah, I think it might be fourth wave. But then you think about how long they've spent trying to argue, you know, that women can do every job that a man can do. And, you know, coincidentally, it's all of the most high-paying jobs, and it's never, like, the janitor or the garbage man or anything like that.

But then you have the transgender movement come along, and they're basically just saying, like, hey, anyone can be anything. And really not even just, like, man or woman, but you can literally be anything, right?

And so I remember probably last year there was a lot of strife that was propping up between the feminist type and a lot of the there was a lot of strife within the LGBTQ community because no one could figure out how to reconcile the different definitions for different people's sexual orientations and ways that they identified.

Because you had, like, bisexual people who are admitting inherently in the name of their sexual orientation that there are two genders, right? But then the whole point of the LGBTQ movement is to say, no, there's actually, like, there's four genders, or there's 72 genders, or there's an infinite spectrum of genders, right?

And so there's a lot of strife, and I don't think they ever really figured out how to define all those things. They just decided, well, we better spend our time fighting all of the normal people who have stuck to traditional values instead of trying to reconcile these things among ourselves because we can't do it.

Yeah, I found that meme I was thinking of, too. First wave feminism says we want to be equal to men. Second wave feminism says we don't need men. And then third wave feminism says we are men.

So there's a lot of the moral of the story is there's a lot of inconsistencies, right?

Right. I mean, the funniest thing about it in the world is now, because of this transgender ideology here, the best women now are men, right? And this is what's so funny about the whole thing, is that the whole project of feminism was that women are better than men, right?

So at first it's kind of like we want to be equal with men, then it's like we're better than men and we don't need them at all, right? Like we're the superior gender. But then now that men can simply declare themselves to be women by virtue of divine or just their own prerogative, pretend divine fiat or whatever on their part, now they prove themselves to be the pinnacle of what it means to be a woman.

They're winning woman of the year awards. They're beating women in sports, in every single sport. And so at this point it's just like transgenders have made a mockery of women. This is the ultimate insult to where everything that the feminists have fought for has been destroyed.

Children, Indoctrination, and the Religion of Leftism

Yeah. Now one thing that I did want to bring up, going back to the why are they going after children with these things, is you mentioned that this is a religion, essentially, right? And we know in Christianity, and certainly not just in Christianity, I know there's a similar idea when it comes to Islam and stuff, is that you basically train up your children in what you believe, right?

And that's common throughout all of history, right? But then would you say that that's a pretty big motivator here too, especially considering the fact that the left in general is sort of downplaying the importance of actually having children through a lot of different ways?

And so they've got to not only try and force these things on their children, but then they also need to try and get other children who are not theirs to believe all of the same things. So do you think that that's a big part of why they are going after children in general?

Sure. I mean, leftism is a religion of world conquest, which is really kind of ironic and funny considering all the outrage at Christian nationalism along those lines. I mean, it's one of those things where if you listen to the left, I mean, anytime they look at Christianity... I mean, you can imagine the kind of psychologically-minded individual who's looking at Christians and basically saying that our problem is that we're indoctrinating our children with all these oppressive, hateful, and harmful beliefs and everything else.

And indoctrination in their mind is just this horrible, horrendous crime that we're committing and functionally equivalent to child abuse and all that. But then if you look at what they're actually doing, they're hostile to the nuclear family at almost every level, and their agenda is to separate children from their parents and destroy these familial ties.

And everything they accuse us of doing, they're doing at every single level, and even worse than what they think we're doing as far as that goes.

Yeah. And kind of to, in one sense, I think to our shame, I think we talked about this in our episode on the public education system, but it seems like at this point, they're honestly, in a lot of ways, doing it better than Christians are because for so long, or at least in part because for so long, we sort of just accepted the whole, no, you need to give them all the options and let them choose rather than just say, hey, no, I'm just going to raise my child up in the way that they should go so that they won't depart from it.