Deracination, Q & A on Woman's Roles

We are live on the Conversations That Matter podcast. It is almost 10 p .m. Eastern time on Saturday night. I don't expect a lot of people to be in the live stream right now. I wanted to get one more podcast in, I think because I was so tired yesterday.

Revisiting Women's Roles and Taking Live Questions

Why am I doing this again? I'm also tired now, but I was more tired yesterday. And I wanted to revisit some of the topics that I talked about last night. There's a few things that I wanted to add to the discussion last night about women's roles.

And this is gonna be somewhat of a Q &A. I asked people to ask me questions. And so we'll get into some of that. And I guess I've thrown my hat in the ring. So I'm gonna draw some lines. And these lines obviously are coming from a particular context.

I'm applying God's word to my world in the life that my wife and I have. And it's not the standard for everyone, what I do. But there are things, this is one of them, that I've been hesitant to talk about sometimes in a very direct fashion, partially because I don't think I have the perfect answers.

But I realize though, these questions are gonna be asked anyway. And there are, let's just say we're thin on this. We're thin on resources in this regard. And people have a lot of really good questions.

So if I don't know the answer, I'm gonna say I don't know the answer. But hopefully I can steer people in the right direction if possible. But we actually do have people coming into the streaming, the chat room here, which is, I'm surprised.

What are you guys doing on a Saturday night? Don't you have stuff to do? The Lord's Day is tomorrow. So I can't have this be a very long live stream because I gotta get to bed. I'm actually leading music.

We're gonna do something different tomorrow, a little bit in our liturgy at church. And we're gonna try, well, if you don't go to my church, you wouldn't even know how it is regularly, but we're gonna try to do a more traditional liturgy.

And that means starting with a scripture reading, a prayer of confession, an assurance of part and these kinds of elements. I mean, it's not gonna all look like that. It's not gonna be like high church liturgy, but then kind of progressing the music.

I'm the minister of music. So we're gonna go from more serious songs about, not all the songs are serious, but songs about like salvation, salvation from sin, the character of God is holiness, to more of like celebration and reacting to these attributes of God and to the reality of salvation.

And then saving the announcements for the end because that is also part of the application of like here's things that church is doing that you can be involved with. You can use your spiritual gifts. Normally what we've done is we've started the service with announcements while we have like one song that people don't really remember because people have even joked that it's a throwaway song.

It's to get people's attention, right? And it's like celebratory. And then you have announcements and then you have some music and then you have like other things, whether it's baptisms or missions moments or something, and then more music and then a sermon.

So it's kind of like broken up. Anyway, we're gonna try something different. I'm excited to try it, but I am part of the service, so I can't be up too late.

All that to say.

Assurance of pardon. I asked someone, Cappy Lover asked, as in you're already forgiven, right? Yes, if you are in Christ and usually in traditional liturgies, you repent, you have an opportunity to repent of your sins.

It depends on the tradition and the service. Sometimes there's communion at that point, but then there's an assurance that Christ has forgiven you. It's not like the pastor is the one that's forgiving you.

It's not really gonna look any different at my Bible evangelical church. It's just gonna be the normal prayer. There's probably gonna be prayer requests in it and so forth, but it's the time of the service.

If you come from a traditional background that you would recognize, oh, that's the assurance of pardon or whatever. I don't know if there's other names for it, but David doesn't know what he's doing.

Yeah.

He doesn't know what he's doing up this late. I think I might be coming down with a cold. I went, I should say this. I promised you guys a trail talk. I mean, I didn't promise, but I said I was gonna do a trail talk and this isn't a trail.

Obviously I'm live streaming from a location. So the reason for that is it was so cold. It was so windy. I tried three times to start recording and it wasn't working, but I gave you the next best thing.

Here is a video of what it looked like at Wyndham High Peak in the Northern Catskills today. I got out for a few hours. I did a hike and despite it being cold, it was pretty. This is what it looked like.

I'm muted. I'm sorry, guys. I was muted there. I was trying to let you hear the ambience of Wyndham High Peak there in the Northern Catskills and forgot to turn myself back on. So here I am. Anyway, I probably shouldn't have.

I'm coming down with a cold and all that, but this is probably one of the major things that helps me focus, relax, and just kind of like decompress. And like the day after I do a hike like that, I'm just better.

I'm more productive. So anyway, I just, I thought I'm stir crazy. I gotta go do it. And so we did it. But if you ever come to the Northern Catskills or well, actually I live in the Hudson Valley, mid Hudson Valley, you know, message me or, you know, comment on social media or whatever.

And someone actually just recently said, John, I'm coming through New York. I'm gonna be close to where you are. And it wasn't that close. So we couldn't get together, but I do love to show people the area I live in.

Cause I love the area I live in, even though my wife's ancestry goes back to about the 1600s, mine, not so much. We moved from California when I was young and it's just an area that I've mostly been raised.

But my uncle does tell me that I have some lines. So some lines that are probably like way out there on a limb somewhere on the family tree that do go back to the Hudson Valley region. The reason I bring this up in part is because I wanted to briefly talk about something that's been on my mind a little bit.

I was down in Gainesboro, Tennessee, checking out the Highland Rim Project, which you should check out. Josh Abatoy, CJ Engel was there, Andrew Isker. And I sat in on their, well, I was a guest, I guess, on their podcast, Contra Mundum.

And one of the things that we talked about is the fact that I think being born in 89, I am the last whisper of the Cold War generation, right? And maybe that was on life support during the war in terror.

But CJ said something, he goes, when I see a World War II plane, it's just like, that's America to me, right? I feel something and of course I felt it too and Andrew and I were talking about this Masters of the Air show that we saw that just really stirred our emotions for that generation.

My grandpa fought a World War II, right? And anyway, loving the country, knowing its history, at least enough of its history to be proud of the accomplishments of the people in your country, having a tangible connection in your family to those accomplishments, having a tangible connection to the land that you live in, having your own experiences, but also knowing the history, knowing the legends, knowing the lore.

I know a lot of the legends and lore, even of this region. I also know some about where my family's from in California. I know some about, I know a little bit, probably less than I would if I had been raised there, but about Mississippi and other places with which my family has connection.

And those are all special things. Those are all things that confer identity. They make me understand and know and feel at a deep level what's worth defending. And one of the things that I'm realizing more and more and more is I tend to communicate to this audience thinking that you are tracking with me on all these things.

Like when I talk about having a heritage, loving your country, and what CJ talked about with me, just like seeing that World War II airplane, seeing that B -25, seeing the insignia on it and stuff. You have something deep within you that calls to you.

And I just assume everyone has that, I think, not because I reasoned through it, but just because I feel it so deeply. I remember as a kid in the nineties, seeing like gold star mothers whose children died in World War II.

That's how old they were. And those days are gone, right? Obviously people have died. We don't really have World War II vets anymore. It's a sad thing. I remember lots of World War II vets, but that's a connection that's lost.

And in traditional societies for most of time, there were oral traditions. There were, I mean, that's what you knew. You knew the stories of your people. You didn't have Netflix, right? You didn't have other things that you were being distracted by.

And it gave you a sense of solidarity and ownership and also protecting your neighbor from threats. And one of the things that I've realized in the area that I live in is we have a huge population replacement.

The people who grew up here or younger can't afford to live here, but there's also nothing left for them. They don't have the same connection that I'm talking about to the land and so forth, and they'll leave.

And there's good reasons to leave, but I don't know if they're all good reasons, but people leave. They have less of a connection to the things that used to connect people. And the people that are coming in that are replacing them are very different, regionally different, but also from the third world.

I mean, there's people coming in. There's places that I used to find peace and solitude. I won't really go to anymore. They're just not on the list because I don't wanna step on a needle. I don't want, if my wife's with me, someone who's creepy looking at her.

I don't want to hear very loud music that's not even in English. It's not even in my language. And so these things have changed the landscape. And I think in my area, it's not as drastic as in other areas.

I mean, where I was born outside of Los Angeles, forget it. There's nothing like it was in the 90s, right? And so this is really the issue I'm talking about here, and it's in the title of the video, is deracination.

Deracination. Someone asked me, actually, I'll look it up real quick, because someone asked me for a working definition of that. And I basically just said, well, it means you're disconnected from the things that confer identity, namely your past.

You have no place. But here's a definition from dictionary .com, right? Well, just the first definition, I guess it's from the Oxford Dictionary. Uprooted from one's natural geographical, social, or cultural environment.

A deracinated writer who has a complicated relations with his working class background. Okay, so there you go. You're disconnected.

So I was right.

My definition's probably even better. And that's where Gen Z is at. And many millennials are there too. They're deracinated. They know more about Lord of... I wish it was Lord of the Rings. They know more about the Marvel universe.

They know more about maybe anime. They know more about conspiracy theories online, maybe, than they do their own history. This has just become so apparent to me lately. Like that generation is so disconnected from their past.

They've been told their whole lives, America is a terrible place. There's nothing of worth in the United States in its history and its people. They don't know much about it. What they do know is just those who challenged the system because it's so bad.

And so they have never cultivated a real love for the place. And I'm talking about the country. I'm not even just talking about local area. I mean, I think local region is extremely important, maybe more important in some ways.

And I mean, forget it. Like that's just, it's not there. I was talking to my brother about this, even in you think it's better in like Bible belt areas. And he's like, the people here, the kids that are in school, he's a teacher.

Like they don't have it. And that's a very dangerous thing. We could be in the Trump era. And I love to joke about and talk about the golden age of America. And I love some things that Trump's doing, but if we don't get some of these cultural factors under control, if we don't actually start teaching our history again, we don't have a people.

Like you think the enemy's gonna invade. No, they've already won. They've already won. They've already essentially made you homeless and open to anything. And this is where ideology is extremely tempting.

I'm convinced that a lot of Gen Z, that's all they really know is ideology. There's no rich tradition to even tap into. They are disconnected from their religion. Many of them did, maybe their grandparents went to church.

I mean, there's just not much of a connection there. And then you have to examine like what kinds of churches, even if they do go to church, what kinds of churches are they at? Is there anything rich there for them to defend and to love?

I mean, if they're going to a light show, a rock show, I mean, you're still deracinated even though you're going to church. There's nothing real about it. It's just like everything else. It's an entertainment thing that is as shallow as when you turn on your Netflix account or go to the movie theater or go to a rock show or something.

I mean, this is just where we're at. I don't mean to, I know I'm blackmailing on you guys. And I don't mean, I think we just have to be honest with kind of like where we're actually at and what kinds of damage is done.

Because if we don't understand that, we're going to go into the wrong solutions. And one of the things I'm noticing right now, one of the big ideological pulls right now, and this may change, but people are, I think it's more than red pill, right?

Red pill is like, you notice that there's a problem. You notice that there's an issue that you didn't see before. And you realize the world that you've misinterpreted things, right? So red pill is like on the issue that I'm about to just briefly mention on the subject of the influence of Jewish people is look at all these industries where Jewish people have outsized representation and look at some of the negative effects of some of these industries.

I've used the pornography industry before as an example. And obviously the consumers of this and many of the producers and many of the actors and actresses, if you want to call them that, many of the people who even own pornographic companies are not Jewish, but there is also a large influence, an outsized influence of a small population in that particular industry.

That's just one industry, but red pill is to look at that and say, huh, maybe there's something to that.

What is it?

You start asking questions.

What is it?

Is it they're against Christian values? Is it many of them are, they're secular of some variety. Is it their secularism or is it their Jewishness? And so you start asking these questions. Now, these are things that I've, a lot of these things I've kind of worked through years ago because this isn't the first time I'm hearing a lot of this stuff.

But, and I did, I had also graduate classes on some of the things being discussed now like the Holocaust and World War II and so forth. So, I mean, I had to do a lot of research on these topics. I had to examine a lot of primary sources on the Holocaust.

So when I say this, I say this as someone who doesn't consider themselves to be necessarily an expert, but I'm not an idiot on these things either. I mean, I've probably done more study than a lot of the people who have more recently come to some of the convictions they have on these things.

I don't know if there's someone tipping the scales, but I've noticed on X over the last few days, it seems like every other post that I see on my feed, and my feed didn't used to look like this, is really out there posts, blaming Jewish people for just about every problem, denying that the Holocaust ever happened.

I mean, this kind of stuff, which is basically nuts. From a historical perspective, that is nuts. We have so much documentation. Now, I'm not saying that you can't re-examine or question. This is something you have to do in deep study.

This isn't something you just do with the flick of your finger, which is what I see most people doing. But if you, not because you watched a short on YouTube that told you something. No, like if you're actually doing some research and you come across like, maybe this journal was a forgery, or these numbers are inaccurate, or this, I'm coming up, these are all hypotheticals, okay?

But this accounts of this prison camp don't seem to match what we know about the prison camp or something like that. Or people weren't killed in this way, they were killed in that way. I understand all that.

I get all that.

It's stuff we even had to talk about even in our class a bit. But to make outlandish claims like it never happened in this kind of thing. I mean, I don't even know where to start. It's so historically indefensible.

During even my lifetime, I mean, I'm 35 years old, but during my lifetime, I mean, there still are people actually who are old enough. They're very elderly at this point, but who have the tattoos, right?

They're not afraid from being in some of these prison camps and so forth. And there's eyewitnesses, there's all kinds of things. Now, in any historical event, you're always gonna have people that later on remember things wrong.

That's why there's rules to the discipline, right? You try to get as close to the source as you possibly can. Primary sources are always best and the closest you can get. My point though, and I don't wanna delve into all this whole thing, but my point is something is off, in my opinion.

I'm not against people talking about various threats that they see. I mean, look, I live in an area right now. I'm near some very large Jewish populations of Hasidic Jews. And there's a lot of secular Jewish people that live in New York too, but I know full well.

I've been in many houses. I've been in synagogues. I have done a lot of repair work. A lot of people don't know this, but for 10 years, I did repair work. I was in, I think I calculated it once and I was in like something like 10 ,000 homes.

I don't remember, 15 ,000 homes, but all kinds of different kinds of homes. And look, if all the repairmen, and we came from diverse backgrounds, all of us had our stereotypes and we all agreed because we had so much experience.

And so yes, I know about that particular population and I know it can happen to a small town when they're overwhelmed. I know how large, how populations with strong in-group preferences and high achievers can work to benefit themselves.

And sometimes it's not in the best interest of the communities in which they live. I understand these things, I've seen these things. But if you reduce every problem to one impulse, you're in ideological land, right?

It's not, it is not a faithful representation of what's accurate and you are buying into cartoons. And what I would love to see, and maybe, and I don't know what the best, I'm kind of presenting the problem without a huge, huge solution here.

But what I would love to see is people to be enthusiastic again about their own heritage, their own history, recognize all the various threats that are out there and meet the ones that are pressing and tangible right in front of you.

Mass immigration is a big threat. I voted for Donald Trump, regardless of his policies on Israel. And guess what? I happen to think that we shouldn't really be giving money to Ukraine or Israel. I think we have massive problems.

We have a massive debt. And you can call me naive or whatever, but look, that's, I bought into primarily the America first mindset on these things. I think that's the Ordo Amoris mindset. And I voted for Donald Trump though, regardless of his views on Israel and funding Israel and their wars and that kind of thing, because there's a real tangible threat in my community to the things that I love.

And the question I have is, do the people, the younger people, do they really love? I know I sound like an old man saying, get off my lawn, right? And I'm only 35, but we have to reconnect ourselves to the past.

We have to reconnect ourselves to our identity as a people, as this goes for families, this goes on multiple scales on your region, your locality and your country. If we don't reconnect those things, then we are easily, I think, manipulated.

We're easily taken over. We buy into really simplistic solutions. We're just very malleable. And there isn't much glue to connect us anymore, except maybe shared threats. And sometimes we are our own neurotic conspiracies and so forth.

I mean, and that's not much of a binding agent. We need Christianity. We need connection to the land. We need a connection to our heritage. Without those things, you're not a people anymore. And then what are you even defending?

So here's the hopeful. I'll try to get us out of this pit before I get to all the women's roles and feminist stuff. I think that we have to do a rebuilding thing here. And that's what I've dedicated a lot of my work to.

I mean, that's what Against the Waves. I think I have a, yeah, I have a copy.

Here it is.

I mean, this is what this book is about. And I mean, I read it on for Audible. So you can go and get it on Audible very soon on Kindle. I've done it. I've done it with the documentaries. That's what the 1607 Project was about too.

Trying to reconnect some of these historical things. I'm very interested in that kind of thing, but I think ideology sells a lot better because it is a simplistic explanation. It doesn't take a lot of hard thinking.

It at least presents itself as the key that unlocks every door. So you can just fit it into any problem and that's the solution. And it's, I think for someone who's deracinated, that becomes more appealing too.

It doesn't remind you, you can blame something else and it doesn't remind you about what you're actually missing and we are missing something very deep. And so my encouragement to those in this audience, look, connect yourselves to your past.

Talk to your kids.

If you're a parent or a grandparent, talk to them about, give them stories. Tell them about where they came from and who they are. Religious instruction included, but more than that. Tell them about who their grandparents were if they didn't know them.

Give them something to fight for, to defend, to believe in. Don't just allow them to sit in front of television or internet and swiping their lives away, all right? Just, this is a grassroots thing. We have to start, this has to start in our homes, right?

There's nowhere else that this can start. It has to start in our homes. We have to take responsibility and it's gonna be a lot of work, but nature abhors the vacuum. People long for connection. They're going to look for it somewhere.

And I have confidence that we're going to start seeing, I think, an uptick in some of these things. Now, let me give you like one little example of that. I think even the ancestry .com stuff, you know, like every Christmas, it seems like someone in my family finds out what their genetics are or something.

They send in the swab and they, you know, in my case, I just got a cracker back. You're just a white guy. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, I found out some interesting things, but I mean, it was pretty, it was who I thought I was.

I was like, yeah, I'm pretty much English. And then, you know, Scottish, English, Irish, a wee bit of German in there, I guess. But like, it's, why do people do that? What is that about, right? People are longing to figure out where they came from, especially if they're disconnected.

And if that continues, I mean, that's a natural longing. They're going to want to know about their history. They're going to, and that's going to drive them right into, at least in the West and in the United States, into Christianity as well.

And I'm here for it. That's what I'm hoping for. But ideology can definitely serve as static and get in the way of those things. And I don't know. I mean, it's like, I've seen guys too, who go like from super hard left to super hard right.

I'm not going to say the guy's name, but there's someone I knew who was like big Andrew Tate enjoyer, who went in a very short period of time to homosexual. And it's like, and like, I've seen these drastic swings and it's like these ideological swings that are just like from one extreme to another, to another, just bouncing back and forth.

And having these hangups and insecurities along the way, because they've moved around and their parents are not together. And they don't know anything about themselves and it's all of that. So that's where we have to get busy.

And one of the things I've seen that works really well is when you have people in your home, especially I've seen this in the college ministries, when college students who don't know that you can have a functional relationship, like a husband and wife can even be married and have kids.

When they see that stability, it's very attractive to them because they don't think it exists and they're told it doesn't exist. They're told lies. So think about those kinds of things. Think about where you're putting your time.

Like where can you put your time that would make a difference in the lives of young people who are disconnected? So there's my little spiel. All right, let me get to some comments and then we'll go to the feminist stuff.

I'm assuming I'm gonna get comments in here that are probably taking me to task. I don't know, let's see. Anne Frank's diary, Cappy Lover wants to know about, I guess whether that's legitimate or not.

I look, I've read a lot of stuff about Anne Frank's diary and I haven't, this is my threshold. Like I don't weigh in on things. I try not, if it's a half measure, I'll tell you it's a half measure, but on stuff like this, I don't generally weigh in unless I know, I put in the time and I know exactly what to say because there's such a risk in, really in either direction at this point, honestly.

I mean, you get blow back. I, as far as I know at this point, I think there's, I mean, there's been a movie and so forth. But there's, there are some people who question, just so people know. I mean, it's stuff like, trying to remember now, it's been a few years, but like, you know, the kind of, I think ink that was used and like, you know, what was it her writing or was it like her dad that did he just write this down and forge it?

But I think that ultimately, if you're gonna use that and I've seen people use that, like these questions they have about it to say the Holocaust never happened, that's kind of dumb, guys. Anne Frank's diary is far from like that's, that is, we're not hinging our whole belief on whether that happened on this one diary.

Now that became very popular. It was a very compelling story, but, you know, even if you don't think it happened or whatever, it's really irrelevant. So, and again, I've read the conspiracy website stuff on it because years ago someone sent it to me, but I haven't done like any like primary source, real research on that topic.

So, Nick Fuentes is gonna call you a Jewish shill. Yeah, I don't care. Sounds like a large amount of Fed posting and false flags. People are, even people that you would think are kind of, you know, based and stuff.

I've been hearing mutterings about, they're even starting to think that maybe there's some, something's going on. It's really, in the last few days, something changed on X and it's weird. I don't know what to make of it.

Okay, I'm not really sure more leaning into that in sort of a dispensational, I don't know what this is about. Oh, I'm trying to, oh, do you, what do you think about the Schofield Bible being funded by the Rothschild?

Well, yeah, that's a common trope that gets thrown around on X. I've seen that for a few years. It wasn't, the Schofield Bible was not funded by the Roth. I think the connection, it's some kind of like a very slim connection where like the publishing company that published a bunch of books, the Rothschilds had a percentage of ownership in, which they had a percentage of ownership in a lot of companies.

It's, don't pay attention to that stuff, guys. That's, honestly, when you hear those kinds of things, that should drive you into some research. Like go check it out, really check it out. Not just on some website that's not giving you primary sources and so forth, that just gives you a pre-written script.

Go actually do some real research on it. And if you don't know how to do research, then you gotta figure out how to do research. But that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about, where it's like, that's not true.

But now we're told that dispensationalism or whatever is responsible for all the Zionism. And so the early Zionists were mostly post-millennialists, the Christian ones. You could certainly argue, and I think it's true, that dispensationalism definitely gave a justification, but it was a justification to something that was already in motion.

And something that really, I think, reinforced more so the liberal order than anything else. And to blame dispensationalism as the cause is just not a historically faithful reading. It also doesn't make sense of our current situation.

How are all these people that have no connection or very little connection to anything dispensational in Congress, the biggest cheerleaders for Israel? What motivates that? It's not dispensationalism in many cases.

It is a commitment to a liberal order and seeing the Jewish state as representing that, I think, more than anything else. Research, you mean watch a 10-minute video, right? Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem, no.

All right, well, I don't really wanna... I've already gotten more into that event than I've wanted to get into that event. Maybe sometime I'll find it worthwhile to do a podcast on the Holocaust or something.

The thing is, though, the problems...

This is my point. This is my whole point.

We're already talking about this. And it's an interesting historical thing. I mean, I've done a lot of research on that for my Holocaust class and so forth. I had to read a lot of books on it. It is interesting.

It is important.

History is important. I think all of history is important. But, and we have been, there's been a lot of things that have been misrepresented. It's important for me to say that. We have been told things about many historical events that are not completely accurate.

And the way they're framed usually is not completely accurate. I'll just give you one example. I mean, I remember when I walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC, and I've been to many Holocaust museums, but that's like the big one, right?

And one of the first things you see is there's this little thing on scientific racism, but there's much more of an emphasis on Christianity. Christianity caused the Holocaust. Martin Luther caused the Holocaust.

That's what I did my final research paper on. It's not true. It's just not true. Yes, the German Volk movement tried to use Luther, but they had to twist Luther. They had to take him out of context. They had to, they were operating from a completely different paradigm.

In Germany, you know, Luther's a Volk hero. So if you can recruit him to your side, it's kind of like today, if we can recruit, you know, someone who's a hero from American history, although we are slim on the heroes now.

Even the right tries to recruit MLK, right? Donald Trump said, his dream came true today at my inauguration. That's the same kind of thing. It's like, well, he's kind of like a respected figure. So even though he would have totally opposed Trump, like we're gonna recruit him to our side.

And they did that with Martin Luther. But the Holocaust Museum just buys into the Nazi propaganda on Martin Luther and makes that the accurate representation of who Luther was and what he was writing about in some of his anti-Jewish writings, including most famously on the Jews and their lies.

I think his last sermon though, is basically him making an appeal for Jewish people to convert. If you even read that, if you put the whole thing in context, you read his works, you understand what's going on.

Luther is concerned about a number of issues there. You have the Crusades, you have the fresh in memory, the suspicion that Jewish people are a subversive element because they're trading with the Turks, the real enemy in their minds.

And they're not converting. That's Luther's biggest frustration. And so it's an anti-Jewish, religious Jewish diatribe more than anything else. And Luther had diatribes on many things. He had diatribes against the Pope that were just as severe pretty much.

I mean, he said all kinds of outrageous things. That book was his least sold book of all or tract, whatever pamphlet of all his pamphlets on the Jews and their lies. And Luther never stopped wanting to see Jewish people come to the Lord and be saved.

That was his primary interest, which is an interest I don't see today on the, I don't know what I even call it, the ideologically driven anti-Jewish right or left because a lot of the anti-Jewish sentiments coming from the left.

But I don't see that sentiment of wanting them to come to the Lord or anything like that. And so anyway, the German Volk guys, this is pre even Nazi. I mean, they take that and they fit it into a more of a Darwinian type of framework and racially determinist framework and make Luther kind of say what they want him to say.

But the Holocaust Museum just kind of buys into this. And I mean, there is such an anti-Christian bent in Holocaust studies. You would not believe it, some of you. I mean, it's just, it's insane to me that there's so many of these groups on talk radio that are like Christians and Jews together and all this kind of stuff.