Deracination, Q & A on Woman's Roles

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We are live on the Conversations That Matter podcast. It is almost 10 p .m. Eastern time on Saturday night.

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I don't expect a lot of people to be in the live stream right now. I wanted to get one more podcast in,

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I think because I was so tired yesterday. Why am I doing this again? I'm also tired now, but I was more tired yesterday.

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And I wanted to revisit some of the topics that I talked about last night.

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There's a few things that I wanted to add to the discussion last night about women's roles.

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And this is gonna be somewhat of a Q &A. I asked people to ask me questions. And so we'll get into some of that.

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And I guess I've thrown my hat in the ring, so I'm gonna draw some lines. And these lines obviously are coming from a particular context.

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I'm applying God's word to my world in the life that my wife and I have.

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And it's not the standard for everyone, what I do. But there are things, this is one of them, that I've been hesitant to talk about sometimes in a very direct fashion, partially because I don't think

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I have the perfect answers. But I realize though, these questions are gonna be asked anyway.

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And there are, let's just say we're thin on this. We're thin on resources in this regard.

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And people have a lot of really good questions. So if I don't know the answer, I'm gonna say I don't know the answer. But hopefully

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I can steer people in the right direction if possible. But we actually do have people coming into the streaming, the chat room here, which is,

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I'm surprised. What are you guys doing on a Saturday night? Don't you have stuff to do? The Lord's Day is tomorrow.

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So I can't have this be a very long live stream because I gotta get to bed. I'm actually leading music. We're gonna do something different tomorrow, a little bit in our liturgy at church.

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And we're gonna try, well, if you don't go to my church, you wouldn't even know how it is regularly. But we're gonna try to do a more traditional liturgy.

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And that means starting with a scripture reading, a prayer of confession, an assurance of part and these kinds of elements.

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I mean, it's not gonna all look like that. It's not gonna be like high church liturgy. But then kind of progressing the music,

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I'm the minister of music. So we're gonna go from more serious songs about, not all the songs are serious, but songs about like salvation, salvation from sin, the character of God is holiness, to more of like celebration and reacting to these attributes of God and to the reality of salvation.

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And then saving the announcements for the end because that is also part of the application of like here's things that church is doing that you can be involved with.

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You can use your spiritual gifts. Normally what we've done is we've started the service with announcements while we have like one song that people don't really remember because people have even joked that it's a throwaway song.

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It's to get people's attention, right? And it's like celebratory. And then you have announcements and then you have some music and then you have like other things, whether it's baptisms or missions moments or something and then more music and then a sermon.

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So it's kind of like broken up. Anyway, we're gonna try something different. I'm excited to try it, but I am part of the service so I can't be up too late.

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All that to say. Assurance of pardon. I asked someone, Cappy Lover asks, as in you're already forgiven, right?

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Yes, if you are in Christ and usually in traditional liturgies, you repent, you have an opportunity to repent of your sins.

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It depends on the tradition and the service. Sometimes there's communion at that point, but then there's an assurance that Christ has forgiven you.

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It's not like the pastor is the one that's forgiving you. It's not really gonna look any different at my

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Bible evangelical church. It's just gonna be the normal prayer. There's probably gonna be prayer requests in it and so forth, but it's the time of the service.

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If you come from a traditional background that you would recognize, oh, that's the assurance of pardon or whatever.

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I don't know if there's other names for it, but David doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah, he doesn't know what he's doing up this late.

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I think I might be coming down with a cold. I went, I should say this. I promised you guys a trail talk.

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I mean, I didn't promise, but I said I was gonna do a trail talk and this isn't a trail. Obviously I'm live streaming from a location.

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So the reason for that is it was so cold. It was so windy. I tried three times to start recording and it wasn't working, but I gave you the next best thing.

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Here is a video of what it looked like at Wyndham High Peak in the Northern Catskills today. I got out for a few hours.

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I did a hike and despite it being cold, it was pretty. This is what it looked like. I'm muted.

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I'm sorry, guys. I was muted there. I was trying to let you hear the ambience of Wyndham High Peak there in the

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Northern Catskills and forgot to turn myself back on. So here I am. Anyway, I probably shouldn't have. I'm coming down with a cold and all that, but this is probably one of the major things that helps me focus, relax, and just kind of like decompress.

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And like the day after I do a hike like that, I'm just better. I'm more productive. So anyway,

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I just, I thought I'm stir crazy. I gotta go do it. And so we did it. But if you ever come to the

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Northern Catskills or well, actually I live in the Hudson Valley, mid Hudson Valley, you know, message me or comment on social media or whatever.

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And someone actually just recently said, John, I'm coming through New York. I'm gonna be close to where you are. And it wasn't that close.

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So we couldn't get together. But I do love to show people the area I live in because I love the area

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I live in, even though my wife's ancestry goes back to about the 1600s, mine, not so much.

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We moved from California when I was young and it's just an area that I've mostly been raised.

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But my uncle does tell me that I have some lines. So some lines that are probably like way out there on a limb somewhere on the family tree that do go back to the

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Hudson Valley region. The reason I bring this up in part is because I wanted to briefly talk about something that's been on my mind a little bit.

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I was down in Gainesboro, Tennessee, checking out the Highland Rim Project, which you should check out.

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Josh Abatoy, CJ Angle was there, Andrew Isker. And I sat in on their, well,

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I was a guest, I guess, on their podcast, Contramundum. And one of the things that we talked about is the fact that I think being born in 89,

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I am the last whisper of the Cold War generation, right? And maybe that was on life support during the war in terror.

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But CJ said something, he goes, when I see a World War II plane, it's just like, that's

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America to me, right? That's when some, I feel something. And of course,

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I felt it too. And Andrew and I were talking about this Masters of the Air show that we saw that just really stirred our emotions for that generation.

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My grandpa fought a World War II, right? And anyway, loving the country, knowing its history, at least enough of its history to be proud of the accomplishments of the people in your country, having a tangible connection in your family to those accomplishments, having a tangible connection to the land that you live in, having your own experiences, but also knowing the history, knowing the legends, knowing the lore.

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I know a lot of the legends and lore, even of this region. I also know some about where my family's from in California.

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I know some about, I know a little bit, probably less than I would if I had been raised there, but about Mississippi and other places with which my family has connection.

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And those are all special things. Those are all things that confer identity. They make me understand and know and feel at a deep level what's worth defending.

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And one of the things that I'm realizing more and more and more is I tend to communicate to this audience thinking that you are tracking with me on all these things.

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Like when I talk about having a heritage, loving your country, and what

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CJ talked about with me, just seeing that World War II airplane, seeing that B -25, seeing the insignia on it and stuff, you have something deep within you that calls to you.

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And I just assume everyone has that, I think, not because I reasoned through it, but just because I feel it so deeply.

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I remember as a kid in the nineties seeing like gold star mothers whose children died in World War II.

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That's how old they were. And those days are gone, right? Obviously people have died.

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We don't really have World War II vets anymore. It's a sad thing. I remember lots of World War II vets, but that's a connection that's lost.

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And in traditional societies for most of the time, there were oral traditions.

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There were, I mean, that's what you knew. You knew the stories of your people. You didn't have

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Netflix, right? You didn't have other things that you were being distracted by. And it gave you a sense of solidarity and ownership and also protecting your neighbor from threats.

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And one of the things that I've realized in the area that I live in is we have a huge population replacement. The people who grew up here or younger can't afford to live here, but there's also nothing left for them.

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They don't have the same connection that I'm talking about to the land and so forth, and they'll leave. And there's good reasons to leave, but I mean,

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I don't know if they're all good reasons, but people leave. They have less of a connection to the things that used to connect people.

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And the people that are coming in that are replacing them are very different, regionally different, but also from the third world.

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I mean, there's people coming in, there's places that I used to find peace and solitude.

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I won't really go to anymore. They're just not on the list because I don't wanna step on a needle. I don't want, if my wife's with me, someone who's creepy looking at her.

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I don't want to hear very loud music that's not even in English. It's not even in my language. And so these things have changed the landscape.

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And I think in my area, it's not as drastic as in other areas. I mean, where I was born outside of Los Angeles, forget it.

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There's nothing like it was in the 90s, right? And so this is really the issue

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I'm talking about here, and it's in the title of the video, is deracination. Deracination. Someone asked me, actually,

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I'll look it up real quick, because someone asked me for a working definition of that.

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And I basically just said, well, it means you're disconnected from the things that confer identity, namely your past.

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You have no place. But here's a definition from dictionary .com, right? Well, just the first definition,

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I guess it's from the Oxford Dictionary. Uprooted from one's natural geographical, social, or cultural environment.

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A deracinated writer who has a complicated relations with his working class background. Okay, so there you go.

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You're disconnected. So I was right. My definition's probably even better. And that's where Gen Z is at.

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And many millennials are there too. They're deracinated. They know more about Lord of, well,

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I wish it was Lord of the Rings. They know more about the Marvel universe. They know more about maybe anime. They know more about conspiracy theories online, maybe, than they do their own history.

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This has just become so apparent to me lately. Like, that generation is so disconnected from their past.

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They've been told their whole lives, America's a terrible place. There's nothing of worth in the

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United States, in its history, in its people. They don't know much about it. What they do know is just those who challenged the system because it was so bad.

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And so they have never cultivated a real love for the place. And I'm talking about the country.

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I'm not even just talking about local area. Let me, I think local region is extremely important, maybe more important in some ways.

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And I mean, forget it. Like, that's just, it's not there. I was talking to my brother about this. Even in, you think it's better in like Bible belt areas.

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And he's like, the people here, the kids that are in school, he's a teacher. Like, they don't have it.

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And that's a very dangerous thing. We could be in the Trump era. And, you know, I love to joke about and talk about the golden age of America.

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And I love some things that Trump's doing. But if we don't get some of these cultural factors under control, if we don't actually start teaching our history again, we don't have a people.

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Like, you think the enemy's gonna invade? No, they've already won. They've already won.

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They've already essentially made you homeless and open to anything.

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And this is where ideology is extremely tempting. I'm convinced that a lot of Gen Z, that's all they really know is ideology.

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There's no rich tradition to even tap into. They are disconnected from their religion. You know, many of them did, maybe their grandparents went to church.

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I mean, there's just not much of a connection there. And then you have to examine like what kinds of churches, even if they do go to church, what kinds of churches are they at?

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Is there anything rich there for them to defend and to love?

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I mean, if they're going to a light show, a rock show, I mean, you've already, you're still deracinated even though you're going to church.

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It's not, there's nothing real about it. It's just like everything else. It's an entertainment thing that is as shallow as when you turn on your

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Netflix account or go to the movie theater or go to a rock show or something. I mean, it's, so,

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I mean, this is just where I, I don't mean, I know I'm blackmailing on you guys. And I don't mean, I think we just have to be honest with kind of like where we're actually at and what kinds of damage is done.

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Because if we don't understand that, we're going to go into the wrong solutions. And one of the things I'm noticing right now, one of the big ideological pulls right now, and this may change, but people are,

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I think it's more than red -pilled, right? Red -pilled is like, you notice that there's a problem.

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You notice that there's an issue that you didn't see before. And you realize the world that you, that you've misinterpreted things, right?

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So red -pilled is like on the issue that I'm about to just briefly mention on the subject of the influence of Jewish people is, look at all these industries where Jewish people have outsized representation, and look at some of the negative effects of some of these industries.

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I've used the pornography industry before as an example. And obviously the consumers of this, and many of the producers, and many of the actors and actresses, if you want to call them that, many of the people who even own pornographic companies are not

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Jewish. But there is also a large influence, an outsized influence of a small population in that particular industry.

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That's just one industry. But red -pilled is to look at that and say, huh, maybe there's something to that.

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What is it? You start asking questions. What is it? Is it they're against Christian values? Is it many of them are, they're secular of some variety.

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Is it their secularism or is it their Jewishness? And so you start asking these questions.

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Now, these are things that I've, a lot of these things I've kind of worked through years ago, because this isn't the first time

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I'm hearing a lot of this stuff. But, and I did, you know, I had also graduate classes on some of the things being discussed now, like the

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Holocaust and World War II and so forth. So, I mean, I had to do a lot of research on these topics.

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I had to examine a lot of primary sources on the Holocaust. So when

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I say this, I say this as someone who doesn't consider themselves to be necessarily an expert, but I'm not an idiot on these things either.

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I mean, I've probably done more study than a lot of the people who have more recently come to some of the convictions they have on these things.

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I don't know if there's someone tipping the scales, but I've noticed on X over the last few days, it seems like every other post that I see on the website on my feed, and my feed didn't used to look like this, is really out there posts blaming

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Jewish people for just about every problem, denying that the Holocaust ever happened.

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I mean, this kind of stuff, which is basically nuts. From a historical perspective, that is nuts. We have so much documentation.

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Now, I'm not saying that you can't re -examine or question, and this is something you have to do in deep study.

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This isn't something you just do with the flick of your finger, which is what I see most people doing. But not because you watched a short on YouTube that told you something.

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No, if you're actually doing some research and you come across, maybe this journal was a forgery, or these numbers are inaccurate, or this,

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I'm coming up, these are all hypotheticals, okay? But this accounts of this prison camp don't seem to match what we know about the prison camp, or something like that.

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Or people weren't killed in this way, they were killed in that way. I understand all that. I get all that.

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It's stuff we even had to talk about even in our class a bit. But to make outlandish claims like it never happened in this kind of thing.

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I mean, I don't even know where to start. It's so historically indefensible. During even my lifetime,

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I mean, I'm 35 years old, but during my lifetime. I mean, there still are people actually who are old enough.

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They're very elderly at this point, but who have the tattoos, right? From being in some of these prison camps and so forth. And there's eyewitnesses, there's all kinds of things.

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Now, in any historical event, you're always gonna have people that later on remember things wrong. That's why there's rules to the discipline, right?

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You try to get as close to the source as you possibly can. Primary sources are always best, and the closest you can get.

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My point though, and I don't wanna delve into all this whole thing, but my point is something is off, in my opinion.

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I'm not against people talking about various threats that they see. I mean, look, I live in an area right now,

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I'm near some very large Jewish populations of Hasidic Jews. And there's a lot of secular Jewish people that live in New York too, but I know full well.

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I've been in many houses. I've been in synagogues. I have done a lot of repair work.

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A lot of people don't know this, but for 10 years, I did repair work. I was in, I think I calculated it once, and I was in like something like 10 ,000 homes.

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I don't remember, 15 ,000 homes, but all kinds of different kinds of homes. And look, if all the repairmen, and we came from diverse backgrounds, all of us had our stereotypes, and we all agreed because we had so much experience.

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And so, yes, I know about that particular population, and I know it can happen to a small town when they're overwhelmed.

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I know how large, how populations with strong in -group preferences and high achievers can work to benefit themselves.

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And sometimes it's not in the best interest of the communities in which they live. I understand these things, I've seen these things.

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But if you reduce every problem to one impulse, you're in ideological land, right? It's not, it is not a faithful representation of what's accurate, and you are buying into cartoons.

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And what I would love to see, and maybe, and I don't know what the best,

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I'm kind of presenting the problem without a huge, huge solution here, but what I would love to see is people to be enthusiastic again about their own heritage, their own history, recognize all the various threats that are out there, and meet the ones that are pressing and tangible right in front of you.

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Mass immigration is a big threat. I voted for Donald Trump, regardless of his policies on Israel. And guess what,

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I happen to think that we shouldn't really be giving money to Ukraine or Israel.

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I think we have massive problems, we have a massive debt, and you can call me naive or whatever, but look, that's,

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I bought into primarily the America first mindset on these things. I think that's the Ordo Amoris mindset.

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And I voted for Donald Trump though, regardless of his views on Israel, and funding

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Israel and their wars and that kind of thing, because there's a real tangible threat in my community to the things that I love.

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And the question I have is, do the people, the younger people, do they really love? I know

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I sound like an old man saying get off my lawn, right, and I'm only 35, but we have to reconnect ourselves to the past.

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We have to reconnect ourselves to our identity as a people, as this goes for families, this goes on multiple scales on your region, your locality, and your country.

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If we don't reconnect those things, then we are easily, I think, manipulated.

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We're easily taken over. We buy into really simplistic solutions. We're just very malleable. And there isn't much glue to connect us anymore, except maybe shared threats, and sometimes we are our own neurotic conspiracies and so forth.

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I mean, and that's not much of a binding agent. We need Christianity. We need connection to the land.

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We need a connection to our heritage. Without those things, you're not a people anymore.

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And then what are you even defending? Okay. So here's the hopeful.

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I'll try to get us out of this pit before I get to all the women's roles and feminist stuff. I think that we have to do a rebuilding thing here, and that's what

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I've dedicated a lot of my work to. I mean, that's what Against the Waves. I think I have a, yeah, I have a copy. Here it is.

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I mean, this is what this book is about. And I mean, I read it on for Audible, so you can go and get it on Audible very soon on Kindle.

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I've done it with the documentaries. That's what the 1607 Project was about too, trying to reconnect some of these historical things.

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I'm very interested in that kind of thing, but I think ideology sells a lot better because it is a simplistic explanation.

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It doesn't take a lot of hard thinking. It at least presents itself as the key that unlocks every door.

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So you can just fit it into any problem, and that's the solution. And it's,

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I think for someone who's deracinated, that becomes more appealing too.

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It doesn't remind you. You can blame something else, and it doesn't remind you about what you're actually missing. And we are missing something very deep.

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And so my encouragement to those in this audience, look, connect yourselves to your past.

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Talk to your kids. If you're a parent or a grandparent, talk to them about, give them stories.

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Tell them about where they came from and who they are. Religious instruction included, but more than that.

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Tell them about who their grandparents were if they didn't know them. Give them something to fight for, to defend, to believe in.

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Don't just allow them to sit in front of television or internet and swiping their lives away, all right?

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Just, this is a grassroots thing. We have to start, this has to start in our homes, right?

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There's nowhere else that this can start. It has to start in our homes. We have to take responsibility.

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And it's gonna be a lot of work, but nature abhors the vacuum. People long for connection.

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They're going to look for it somewhere. And I have confidence that we're going to start seeing,

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I think, an uptick in some of these things. Now, let me give you like one little example of that. I think even the ancestry .com

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stuff, you know, like every Christmas, it seems like someone in my family finds out what their genetics are or something.

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They send in the swab and they, you know, in my case, I just got a cracker back. You're just a white guy now.

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I'm just kidding. I mean, I found out some interesting things, but I mean, it was pretty, it was who I thought I was.

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I was like, yeah, I'm pretty much English. And then, you know, Scottish, English, Irish, a wee bit of German in there,

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I guess. But like, it's, why do people do that?

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What is that about, right? People are longing to figure out where they came from, especially if they're disconnected. And if that continues,

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I mean, that's a natural longing. They're gonna wanna know about their history. They're gonna, and that's gonna drive them right into, at least in the

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West and in the United States, into Christianity as well. And I'm here for it.

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That's what I'm hoping for. But ideology can definitely serve as static and get in the way of those things.

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And I don't know. I mean, it's like, I've seen guys too, who go like from super hard left to super hard right.

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I'm not gonna say the guy's name, but there's someone I knew who was like big Andrew Tate enjoyer who went, you know, in a very short period of time to, you know, homosexual.

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And it's like, and like, I've seen these drastic swings and it's like these ideological swings that are just like from one extreme to another, to another, just bouncing back and forth and having these hangups and insecurities along the way because they've moved around and their parents are not together.

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And, you know, they don't know anything about themselves and it's all of that.

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So that's where we have to get busy. And one of the things I've seen that works really well is when you have people in your home, especially

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I've seen this in the college ministries, when college students who don't know that you can have a functional relationship, like a husband and wife can even be married and have kids, when they see that stability, it's very attractive to them because they don't think it exists.

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And they're told it doesn't exist. They're told lies. So think about those kinds of things.

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Think about where you're putting your time. Like where can you put your time that would make a difference in the lives of young people who are disconnected?

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So there's my little spiel. All right, let me get to some comments and then we'll go to the feminist stuff.

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I'm assuming I'm gonna get comments in here that are probably taking me to task.

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I don't know, let's see. Uh, I'm not,

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Anne Frank's diary, Cappy Lover wants to know about, I guess whether that's legitimate or not. I look,

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I've read a lot of stuff about Anne Frank's diary and I haven't, this is my threshold.

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Like I don't weigh in on things. I try not, if it's a half measure, I'll tell you it's a half measure, but on stuff like this,

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I don't generally weigh in unless I know, I put in the time and I know exactly what to say because there's such a risk in really in either direction at this point, honestly.

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I mean, you get blow back. I, as far as I know at this point, I think there's,

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I mean, if there's been a movie and so forth, there's, there are some people who question just so people know,

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I mean, it's stuff like, I'm trying to remember now it's been a few years, but like the kind of,

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I think, ink that was used and like, you know, what was it her writing or was it like her dad that did he just write this down and forge it?

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But I think that ultimately, if you're gonna use that and I've seen people use that, like these questions they have about it to say the

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Holocaust never happened, that's kind of dumb, guys. Anne Frank's diary is far from like that's, that is, we're not hinging our whole belief on whether that happened on this one diary.

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Now that became very popular. It was a very compelling story, but you know, even if you don't think it happened or whatever, it's really irrelevant.

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So, and I, again, I read the conspiracy website stuff on it because years ago someone sent it to me, but I haven't done like any like primary source, real research on that topic.

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So Nick Fuentes is gonna call you a Jewish shill. Yeah, I don't care. Sounds like a large amount of fed posting and false flags.

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People are, even people that you would think are kind of, you know, based in stuff.

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I've been hearing mutterings about, they're even starting to think that maybe there's some, something's going on.

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It's really, in the last few days, something changed on X and it's weird. I don't know what to make of it.

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Okay. I'm not really sure more leaning into that in sort of a dispensational,

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I don't know what this is about. Oh, I'm trying to, oh, do you, what do you think about the

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Schofield Bible being funded by the Rothschild? Well, yeah, that's a common trope that gets thrown around on X.

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I've seen that for a few years. It wasn't, the Schofield Bible was not funded by the

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Rothschild. I think the connection, it's some kind of like a very slim connection where like the publishing company that published a bunch of books, the

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Rothschilds had a percentage of ownership in, which they had a percentage of ownership in a lot of companies.

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Like it's, don't pay attention to that stuff, guys. That's, honestly, when you hear those kinds of things, that should drive you into some research.

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Like go check it out, really check it out. Not just on some website that's not giving you primary sources and so forth, that just gives you a pre -written script.

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Like go actually do some real research on it. And if you don't know how to do research, then you gotta figure out how to do research.

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But that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about where it's like, that's not true. But now we're told that dispensationalism or whatever is responsible for all the

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Zionism. And so the early Zionists were mostly post -millennialists, the Christian ones. You could certainly argue, and I think it's true, that dispensationalism definitely gave a justification, but it was a justification to something that was already in motion and something that really,

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I think, reinforced more so the liberal order than anything else. And to blame dispensationalism as the cause is just not a historically faithful reading.

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It also doesn't make sense of our current situation. How are all these people that have no connection or very little connection to anything dispensational in Congress, the biggest cheerleaders for Israel?

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What motivates that? It's not dispensationalism in many cases. It is a commitment to a liberal order and seeing the

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Jewish state as representing that, I think, more than anything else. Research, you mean watch a 10 -minute video, right?

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Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem, no. All right, well,

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I don't really wanna, I've already gotten more into that event than I've wanted to get into that event. Maybe sometime

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I'll find it worthwhile to do a podcast on the Holocaust or something.

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The thing is, though, with the problems, this is my point, this is my whole point. We're already talking about this, and it's an interesting historical thing.

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I've done a lot of research on that for my Holocaust class and so forth. I had to read a lot of books on it. It is interesting.

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It is important. History is important. I think all of history is important, but, and we have been, there's been a lot of things that have been misrepresented.

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It's important for me to say that. We have been told things about many historical events that are not completely accurate, and the way they're framed usually is not completely accurate.

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I'll just give you one example. I remember when I walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC, and I've been to many Holocaust museums, but that's the big one, right?

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And one of the first things you see is, there's this little thing on scientific racism, but there's much more of an emphasis on Christianity.

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Christianity caused the Holocaust. Martin Luther caused the Holocaust. That's what I did my final research paper on. It's not true.

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It's just not true. Yes, the German Volk movement tried to use Luther, but they had to twist Luther.

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They had to take him out of context. They had to, they were operating from a completely different paradigm.

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You know, Luther's a Volk hero, so if you can recruit him to your side, it's kind of like today, if we can recruit, you know, someone who's a hero from American history, although we are slim on the heroes now.

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Even the right tries to recruit MLK, right? Donald Trump said, his dream came true today at my inauguration.

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That's the same kind of thing. It's like, well, he's kind of like a respected figure, so even though he would have totally opposed

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Trump, like we're gonna recruit him to our side, and they did that with Martin Luther, but the

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Holocaust Museum just buys into the Nazi propaganda on Martin Luther and makes that the accurate representation of who

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Luther was and what he was writing about in some of his anti -Jewish writings, including most famously on the

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Jews and their lies. I think his last sermon, though, is basically him making an appeal for Jewish people to convert.

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If you even read that, if you put the whole thing in context, you read his works, you understand what's going on. Luther is concerned about a number of issues.

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You have the Crusades, you have the fresh in memory, the suspicion that Jewish people are a subversive element because they're trading with the

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Turks, the real enemy in their minds, and they're not converting.

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That's Luther's biggest frustration. And so it's an anti -Jewish, religious

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Jewish diatribe more than anything else, and Luther had diatribes on many things. He had diatribes against the

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Pope that were just as severe, pretty much. I mean, he said all kinds of outrageous things. That book was his least sold book of all or tract, whatever pamphlet of all his pamphlets on the

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Jews and their lies. And Luther never stopped wanting to see

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Jewish people come to the Lord and be saved. That was his primary interest, which is an interest I don't see today on the,

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I don't know what I even call it, the ideologically driven anti -Jewish right or left, because a lot of the anti -Jewish sentiments coming from the left, but I don't see that sentiment of wanting them to come to the

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Lord or anything like that. And so anyway, the German Volk guys, this is pre even

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Nazi. I mean, they take that and they fit it into a more of a Darwinian type of framework and racially determinist framework and make

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Luther kind of say what they want him to say. But the Holocaust Museum just kind of buys into this.

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And I mean, there is such an anti -Christian bent in Holocaust studies. You would not believe it, some of you.

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I mean, it's just, it's insane to me that there's so many of these groups on talk radio that are like Christians and Jews together and all this kind of stuff.

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And you go take one Holocaust studies course and you, especially if you talk to and you read what modern

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Jewish people are saying about the event, there is such an anti -European and really an anti -Christian sentiment in that whole field.

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And you have to be aware of that. But the study of history is looking at sources and using the rules that apply to the discipline, just like hermeneutics and studying the

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Bible and coming to conclusions, coming up with paradigms that fit all the available information and facts.

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Is that going on today? I mean, I don't know. You'd be there. On X, not really, not really.

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All right, well, I've gone, man, I've gone, this could be the whole podcast right here and I haven't even brushed up against the subject

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I was hoping to talk about here. How accurate was Luther's translation of the

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Bible compared to other Reformation? You know, I don't know, I'm not a German scholar, so I'm gonna stay away from that.

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I mean, I think it was pretty, it was decent, but compared to other Reformation era translations, I'm not sure. If Trump would not have been, okay, this is from Michael, simping for women, what are the chances he had a better outcome with the

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Doge case? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. All right, we gotta move on here. And, you know, if you have other questions, you can leave them in the comment section.

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I want to get to some of these, let's see if I can pull this up.

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Yeah, okay. I want to get to some of the questions that people ask me about the role of women in society, in the church, in the home, that kind of thing.

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And I think it's important because, you know, as I said yesterday,

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I mean, we have this kind of, we have a right, I think sometimes a false understanding of right and left, or at least

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I'll put it this way. Our understanding in right and left comes from one measuring rod or standard, which is the left's egalitarianism, right?

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So as far, if you get away from the left's egalitarianism, you're on the right. If you're towards it, you're on the left.

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And really there should be, you know, two measuring rods, I think. There should be, you know, there's the created order and swirling around that,

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I think would also be like how this is mediated into the traditions, especially in a

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Christian context of your people, of the United States, in this Anglo -Protestant context.

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So those who want to preserve good, true and valuable traditions, ways of life that acknowledge this created order are conservative, right?

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This is really the approach or the instincts that conservatives have.

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It's not an ideology. It is more of an approach, I would say. And then you have the left.

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The left is purely ideological, but it's an egalitarian vision they have, this sort of perfectionistic vision.

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And their ideas run roughshod over society. The consequences don't matter to them.

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It's all about their abstractions being implemented. So that's how

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I, you know, I talked about this yesterday in the podcast. That's how I look at it. And what

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I've noticed, I talked about this, is that I think that there's some guys who, again, this is another kind of like red pill issue, right?

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Where we've been lied to. It's true. We have been so subverted on this issue that it's like, we feel like we have to start at ground zero.

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Like how do we know even how do we interact? Like there's one time you could even look in like, you know,

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Pride and Prejudice and movies that reflect this. There was one time like men knew how to act around women and things like there was order in society.

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And we're so far from that. We don't even know how to get back. How do we even start?

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Where do we start? And so people have different ideas about where we went off track and what to do.

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And like I said, you have your Andrew Tate types who will just try to be transgressive of the left standards and then they just call that right.

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So like I say, he could do all manner of evil and violate the created order and do horrible things that are against conservatism.

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But it's on the right now because, well, it's against the left standards too in some ways.

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It doesn't fit their ideology, which I think is just dumb, right? So what we need to do in getting back to this created order on the issue of men and women and how they operate in society is we need to look at what the scripture teaches on these things.

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And many of us, I'm assuming many of us in this audience, you are Christians, you know basics. I'll quote some scriptures, but I think most of you know the principles.

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We need to think through how those principles actually apply to various situations.

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We can't just take one scripture. We have to take all the scriptures we know that speak about that subject.

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And all the examples we know that are positive examples. We can't, I actually, I talked about this with the, recently on the rhetoric of Jesus, right?

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Jesus says to love your enemies. And how do people take that? Well, you can't ever say anything that's not nice.

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You can't say mean things to your enemies. Well, look at Jesus's example. Look at how he treated the Pharisees. He even deceived them at times, right?

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So he said terrible things sometimes to them. You have to look at the examples too.

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So that's important. Look at the examples, look at the other teachings. It can't just be rejecting this one standard from the left and then trying to from scratch build something.

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Or like I say, eight times out of 10, you reject the left and you're probably, you're going in the right direction and you're probably gonna make a wise decision.

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But that's not the standard. That's just, we know that's bad. We know that's the wrong way to go, but it doesn't necessarily mean because we're not going that way, we're still not going in a wrong direction, okay?

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So I wanna start this off by telling you just a brief story from grad school again. I was in an

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American heritage class, American history class in grad school. And there was a girl in the class doing a paper on a,

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I don't even remember who it was. It was some lesser known figure who she said was more Orthodox, like smaller

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Orthodox. She was a Christian and she was in the women's rights movement, the first wave feminism from the mid 1800s.

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And she said that this was the model for her essentially. She was, this lady she was studying was the exception to the general rule that those women's rights advocates were all heretics.

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And the thing is, if you study that, you will find out very quickly that they are just about all heretics.

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Like even during the Seneca Falls convention, like a bunch of them are doing seances in the basement of this

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Wesleyan church in Seneca Falls. It's, you know, read that statement by the way. I mean, it's incredible to me that conservatives will claim second and third wave feminism is terrible, but yo, first wave, that's okay.

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I mean, no, go look at first wave feminism. It is pretty radical stuff. It's not just about getting the right to vote.

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It is about women upending the order they feel like confines them, the

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Christian order even. I mean, I think it was Elizabeth Cady Stanton who said that the law of Moses was not even from God.

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She made her own woman's Bible, cut out the stuff she thought was against women. I mean, there was an edge against Orthodox Christianity, true

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Christianity, historic Christianity. So anyway, I told this girl, I said, look,

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I said, I'm willing to bet. And you know, I can't, right? I'm not betting, but I go to a

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Baptist school here. But if I was allowed to, I would be willing to bet that this individual you were studying isn't an

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Orthodox Christian. I'm just telling you, like I don't think hardly any of them were, if any.

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It just wasn't a move. It wasn't a Christian movement in that sense. Even though all the Christian apologists today try to claim it, it wasn't.

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You just, you do a little historical research, you find out these people did not believe. They were reacting against historic

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Christianity, not in favor of it. So she kind of him and hawed, and she came back later and she said, you were right, you were right.

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She was a heretic. And I said, I know, I know. They're, you know, Unitarians, Transcendentalists.

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They weren't Orthodox Christians. And the moral of the story is, you should believe me when

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I, no, no. The moral of the story is that we have been so subverted.

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And this is, that's from what, 1848? Is the Seneca Falls Declaration or something like that?

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I think it's 1848, right? Same year the failed socialist revolutions in Europe started to wash up on our shores.

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A lot of stuff happened right before the civil war in our country. A lot of bad stuff that definitely destabilized our country.

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But anyway, my point is this has been now 170, 180 years of subversion going on and normalization of this subversion that we're left at a point now where we're trying to pick up the pieces, many of us, even in the church.

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We know that we've been affected. I've been affected. I mean, it's, you're kind of naive to think you haven't been affected by feminism in some way, right?

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And so I understand people who want to just react against it. We should react against it, but we should do so with as much knowledge as possible and being as prudent as possible and not throwing out babies with the bath water and so forth because to be truly conservative, and that's not even the most important thing, right?

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Conservative is a tool to protect what we really love. To be Christian is to be faithful to what

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God has laid down and commanded, right? And then we apply, if there's prudential things, they're prudential.

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It means God's given us some leeway, we've been given opportunities to use our minds to determine for our context what the right thing might be.

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But we only know that by looking at what the scripture says about it. We do know some things from the nature of, you know, what a man is, what a woman is.

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Scripture assumes that we should know these kinds of things anyway, that men are different than women, men are stronger, for example.

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I've talked about this before. I write about this extensively again in this book, Against the Waves, now on Amazon and johnharrispodcast .com.

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And so that's what I want to examine while we look at these questions. I'm going to show you on the screen, some of these questions and then we'll go from there.

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Yes, Charles says, the ideology of Johnism, it all boils down to listen to John. Yes, if you just listen to me and make me,

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I think the center of your worldview, then I will not let you down.

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I will not give you up. I won't let you down. All right, let's start here.

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I'm just going to go through these and try to give short answers. Okay, Matt Borish says, are there certain professions that are more ideal for women?

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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, women are more maternal, right? So are there certain professions that they're going to be better at?

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I mean, what's the typical thing? Nurses, right? I don't know how many seminarians I was with, their wives were nurses. So one of the things that you'll see today in the online discourse is the boss base.

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The CEO type, the ladder climber in these institutions, is that's a villain, that's a bad person.

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But here's the thing, this net can get cast very wide where it's like, women shouldn't be in public at all. They shouldn't be in the workforce at all.

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They should never, I guess, have a job. I don't know, their job should just be at home with raising kids or something.

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And that's not going to obviously fit all of the situations out there. I mean, that's a great thing if you can get there.

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But nursing is definitely one of those positions where a woman's maternal instincts are used in ways that men just were not generally as we don't have the same bedside manner.

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I'll just put it that way. So yeah, I think a hundred percent. There's no doubt about that, that there's some professions are better suited for women.

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And there's nothing wrong with a woman, especially for the sake of the home, pursuing things that are even outside the home.

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And the Proverbs 31 wife does this, right? She considers a field and buys it. She engages in business.

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She has linens and so forth that she dyes that are well sought after.

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And she makes her husband someone who's very known in the public square.

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So he's successful because she's successful. And so there's nothing actually forbidding a woman from engaging in a business enterprise.

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In fact, that's ideal according to Proverbs 31. That's something you're looking for.

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Even before that person's married, that's a quality that you should be looking for because that's the context of Proverbs 31.

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This is the ideal wife to look for. So these are the qualities. And interestingly enough,

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King Lemuel, who gives that, if you notice at the beginning of the proverb, what does he say? This is the wisdom that his mother gave him.

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So Proverbs 31, the source of that isn't directly King Lemuel, it's his mother.

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So you have in scripture... Now, look, we'll get there in a minute, but you have 66 books that are all written by men.

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You have little things here and there like Miriam's song, where you have things that are women, where women have said things that have been recorded that are in scripture.

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But Proverbs 31 is interesting to me. It stands out. You can't deny the fact that the wisdom in that passage that we're all now supposed to be following on some level.

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Is originally from King Lemuel's mother. Should, let's go to the questions here.

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Should women learn theology proper from other women or from elders and husbands? Example, a theology book used by a woman's

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Bible study written by a woman MDiv. Okay, well, there's a few questions I think in here. I'll just say with the women

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MDiv thing, I'm not a fan of women getting MDivs. That is been traditionally a certification for being a pastor or a chaplain.

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It is, it has traditionally carried the authority. Some women justify this with just like, this is me trying to understand the

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Bible or I'm gonna be on the missions field and I wanna just, I wanna understand the Bible. Look, I don't, the missions field thing doesn't,

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I don't care whether you're in China or the United States, you're a missionary as a Christian. Okay, so don't give me like I, this is justified because I'm in China.

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I think though, I think it is fine for a woman to pursue theological understanding.

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I think in fact, she should, everyone should. We should understand the

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God that we worship. But an MDiv is specifically about doing more than just understanding

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God. It is also learning how to communicate that truth in the context of pastoral ministry.

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It is about how to even facilitate the ordinances. I remember in a class at seminary that I had, cause

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I do have an MDiv, we had some girls in a few of the courses and they're practicing doing the baptisms and giving the

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Lord's supper and everything along with us. And I just thought it was odd, right?

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This was at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. So I don't expect much from them. I mean, at the time I was there and maybe it's still the case, there was a female who was the chair of the board.

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And I think A .D. Robles had pointed out, man, it's, you know, women can't be pastors, they say, but boy, they sure know how to choose the curriculum that will help make the best pastors.

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Like it is a very, it's a weird thing. And this is, you know, J .D. Greer's whole project at his church is to try to,

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I mean, even recently, there was, I just read an article from you on his church where there was a woman and her husband who were, actually it was a woman,

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I think it was a wife. She was leading a Bible study. They didn't, and then this was, you know, two men as well.

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And they kind of let it happen. I mean, Danny Akin, who's the president of that seminary, talked about, well, there's certain circumstances where a woman can preach the

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Sunday morning service. And that's how they are. They claim to be complementarian, but it's a soft complementarian, or as Danny Akin put it, a gentle, kinder complementarianism.

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Well, that's not complementarianism. That's just soft egalitarianism. That's a transitional step to get to egalitarianism is what that is.

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So, but the root question here is, should women learn theology proper? Theology, and that's a good way to put it, theology proper.

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So not applied theology, which is what older women are instructed in First Timothy to teach younger women, which would be loving their husbands and keeping their home and, you know, being faithful, essentially.

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I mean, that's what older women teach younger women, right? And that's not theology proper, though there's a distinction there.

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That's applied theology. Theology proper would be like the doctrine of God, the Trinity, and these kinds of things.

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So anyway, I think that the answer to the question is that women, that what we see in scripture is women should be learning theology proper from the, here's the thing, like,

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I have to be careful how I say this. The ideal is, and the model we see is, this information's going to come from the elders and from husbands, because you see in 1

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Corinthians 14, I think it is, where women are to, in a case where there was disruptions going on in a service, they're not supposed to ask questions in the service, they're supposed to ask questions at home to their husband.

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So the husband is supposed to be the priest of the home, and some people use that language. I'd lead the home spiritually, if you'd like.

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And then at church, you have elders that teach this kind of thing. Now, there's nothing forbidding. This is why I say I have to be careful.

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There is nothing technically forbidding women from teaching other women theology. But the one example we're given in 1

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Timothy, it is more of applied theology, not theology proper. So I don't want to be legalistic about it, but I do think that if you're going to err towards one side, it's going to be, theology proper is going to come from men.

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And why don't we look up that passage real quick? So just so I'm not leading anyone astray here on the

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Titus 2 woman. Let's see. I gotta look up Titus 2 and then scroll down to,

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I'm gonna do it in the NASB 1995. Someone contacted me today and said they're looking to do a new translation.

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And I haven't talked to them more of it, I thought. I mean, we've got so many translations. I guess so many translations.

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Maybe we do need a new one, but I've used the NASB 1995 for you probably since 1995.

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All right. So it says in chapter two, verse three, older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good.

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All right. So you're teaching what is good so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands so that the word of God will not be dishonored.

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Now, I think the reason I'm hesitant to say that they can't learn theology proper from an older woman is because there is a distinction between theology proper and applied or practical theology.

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But oftentimes when you're discussing practical theology, you kind of have to get into theology proper.

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They're so related. For example, if you're trying to encourage young women to love their husbands and you start talking about, well, you know, this one woman in LSA has a problem, this one young wife, she's not trusting

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God enough. She keeps taking things from her husband, taking responsibilities that she shouldn't because she doesn't trust God. Well, that's gonna immediately get you into a discussion about the nature and the character of God.

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You can trust him, right? So I don't see how you can completely separate these things.

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So my final answer is I do think that younger women are gonna be primarily getting their theology proper from the elders of the church.

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Nothing that an older woman at that church teaches them should contradict that, but this is going to be a discussion.

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This is going to come up. They're going to teach what is good. And some of that is the character and nature of God.

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And think about it this way too. Like, doesn't this make so much sense if a younger woman is having trouble loving her husband or keeping the house or whatever it is?

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And she goes to her elder, oftentimes this can wind up in problems, right? Where there's emotional attachments develop between the elder or the pastor and the person that he's trying to counsel.

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But who knows more about that? Who has more experience in loving their husbands, an elder or an older woman who's been loving her husband her entire life?

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You know the answer to that question. That's why, I think that's why it's there. That's why there should be that connection.

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And this is one of the main things that we have a problem with in Christianity right now. As I said, connections have been severed all over the place.

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And one of the connections is older women and younger women. It's severed. My wife does a ministry at my church that it's called

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Equipping Godly Women. And it's intended to actually try to give a platform for older women to teach younger women practical things, homemaking, manners, how to diet.

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There's, I think I've done all kinds of things but also just spiritual things as well. So anyway, all right, next question.

01:00:44

At this rate, I'm gonna be up later than I want to. So I'm gonna try to move along here. Can women speak about politics in public?

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Well, they can, you know, should they? There's this old scene from the movie,

01:00:58

Giant, where, go look it up, where the actress,

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I forget who plays, but James Dean's in that movie. There's Rock Hudson, I think is the husband.

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But the lady who plays his wife, you know, is kind of like eavesdropping on this political conversation and it gets really awkward.

01:01:18

And you're like, well, what word? That must be the caveman world. What is that from? Well, yeah, there was a time when women, it wasn't proper for a woman to speak about politics in public.

01:01:27

That's true. That wasn't all that long ago. So can women speak? I think they can. I don't think there's anything forbidding.

01:01:33

It's not a sin, we'll put it that way, for a woman to speak about politics. But the question is, should?

01:01:39

And I think this is gonna depend on circumstance. I think as you get into Deborah and Barack's situations where you don't have men that are really willing to do the right thing.

01:01:49

We've had a lot of cowardice lately and a lot of men who can say things but they don't have the position to actually influence anything because they're not doing the things necessary to get themselves into that position perhaps, or they're kept out, they're gatekept, whatever the case is.

01:02:02

You have women that get into strategic positions and they're able to do something. So I do think there are also positive examples in scripture.

01:02:09

I mean, you look at Esther, for example, and she influences public policy. And this is viewed as a good thing, as a positive example.

01:02:19

So I do think that it's a bit circumstantial, but should women be running for office?

01:02:27

Should women be desiring to ladder climb in these ways? I mean, look, politics is force. It is the sword that the government wields and it is a shame.

01:02:38

That's really the long and short of it. It is a shame when women are the warriors in a society.

01:02:44

The Bible makes that clear. It's men who should be going to battle, not women. And so is politics a kind of battle?

01:02:50

It is. So there is some prudence that's needed to identify the circumstances that one is in.

01:03:00

And then, for example, I'm gonna give you a smaller kind of similar analogy here.

01:03:06

If I'm not home and someone tries to break into my house, I hope my wife protects my little child and herself.

01:03:14

Is that my job? Sure, but I'm not home. So you have to use your brain a little bit on this stuff.

01:03:23

All right, let's keep going here. I'm trying to pay attention to the chat here to see if there's any follow -ups on some of this stuff.

01:03:32

Yeah, and Cosmic Reason makes a good point that young women aren't really even that interested in politics, and that's true. For the most part,

01:03:38

I would say that that is a man's domain. Anita Smith says, am I the only girl in the chat?

01:03:44

I don't know, Anita, you might be. It's hard to tell with all these avatars. All right, let's go to some more questions here.

01:03:56

All right, what are wives supposed to do when their husbands are less interested in studying the scriptures than they are? Man, I feel for this person.

01:04:05

Please pray for them. Cheryl, you can encourage your husband, but there's not much.

01:04:16

I've had wives try to sign up their husbands to come to retreats that I'm at, that I'm hoping that that'll change them.

01:04:24

Sometimes it does change them, but honestly, I hesitate to say this is the same as the scenario with an unbeliever, but that's the parallel I'm thinking of.

01:04:35

You have to make sure that from your own example, trying to show your husband,

01:04:46

I mean, it's shaming your husband, honestly, but you're kind of shaming him to do what he should be doing.

01:04:51

So sorry, you're in that position if you are. Joseph says, so much to say on this.

01:04:57

Therapy and girlfriends lead women into divorce. Cottage industry of abuse incorporated. 70 % of therapists are women.

01:05:03

Enneagram makes women think they're licensed therapists. That's so true. Churches need true biblical counseling.

01:05:09

Gray -haired women need to assert influence. Agreed. And I'm in one of the worst areas for that because in New York, they all moved to Florida and you don't have older women much.

01:05:18

Ripa Cheap says, if women are commanded to teach children, I think a great idea for the women's Bible studies should be to teach young girls on being virtuous and modest and how that is what constitutes true beauty in culture does not determine what is beautiful.

01:05:30

Agreed, agreed. I would say this one caveat, culture gets a rad rap.

01:05:36

I mean, the world doesn't teach these things. Culture, the church is part of culture, right? And culture has shifted in some ways that are not positive.

01:05:44

But the goal is we really do want to influence and see, we wanna see the culture we're in change.

01:05:53

Ripa Cheap also says, also women should teach young girls practical home skills like cooking and sewing or home remedies for certain ailments and things of that nature.

01:06:00

Yep, that's my wife's involved in all of that stuff. The women that need to be brought to heal approach, which

01:06:08

I am seeing a lot of, is more illuminating. I agree, Annie, I do agree on that.

01:06:14

That's part of the reason I wanted to give examples from my own life about this stuff, because I realized that we need an attractive model.

01:06:24

For Christians need to show, and I've seen it, I've seen it in college ministry. When you see a functional relationship, it is attractive.

01:06:33

That is way more of an incentive to adopt patriarchy, if you wanna call it that, than any argument that's used on X about it.

01:06:42

It needs to be modeled, it needs to be attractive. And so I'm willing to talk about this somewhat. I'm willing to talk about my relationship with my wife, which

01:06:48

I'm sure will come up more as we go. But I agree, there's,

01:06:54

I don't know. Yeah, there's things I wanna say, but all right. Non -believers understandably recoil in disgust.

01:07:01

Yep, I agree. The value of women's roles and status as cherished daughters of God should be emphasized and how it is more noble than secularism.

01:07:11

I totally agree. Christians have a corner, they should have a corner on the market of really valuing women.

01:07:17

We wanna liberate women from the captivity that this world, this secular world is holding them to, this pagan world.

01:07:26

No, they have a purpose, and they're stripped of that purpose when they are told that they can just do what a man does and there's nothing really special about them.

01:07:36

The joyful wife says, looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Okay, well, you're hearing them. Terry says, my mom and dad were accountability partners for almost 50 years.

01:07:43

They spoke truth and love to each other. That truth contained correction. My dad was a pastor who was very much in love with my mom.

01:07:49

Their marriage is a beautiful example of our family and church. I would have totally 100 % agree. My dad's a pastor and my mom has corrected my dad.

01:07:57

And someone said, and I think this is a wise thing to say that you should use the term appeal,

01:08:03

John. This is one of the reasons I wanted to do this video is to kind of amend that or add an addendum. I think, yeah, my mom would appeal to my dad.

01:08:11

She'd say, like, I don't think that's a wise thing you're doing there. Would you consider what

01:08:17

I have to say about it? And my dad would, he loved my mom. He still does, I'm acting like they're dead, they're not. But, and I try to practice that with my own wife, right?

01:08:25

Like she sees things that I don't see sometimes and I want her to tell me. Is that correction?

01:08:31

Now, in a functional marriage where the husband is loving his wife and the wife is submitting to her husband, it should, it really ends at the appeal stage,

01:08:40

I would say. And you can, I'm comfortable calling that a mild correction but I did look up the etymology of correct or correction just to make sure

01:08:49

I was within the boundaries here. And originally the word did have more of a aggressive, like you're not just telling someone they're wrong.

01:08:57

Like you're, it's like a correctional facility. If you think of like prisons, like you're compelling them.

01:09:04

You have an asserting authority to make them kind of, I think the word now is used in much more broad sense.

01:09:11

So I'm comfortable saying that, yeah, I mean, like that's a correction. But here's the thing, if it's not a functional marriage, let's say, and you have situations where you have a nabal, you know, does the wife, what does the wife do?

01:09:25

I mean, the wife might have to not even submit in certain, right, you can't submit to something that is against what

01:09:33

God commands. And I would say sometimes what's against the good, what would be good for your family.

01:09:40

If you're, if the husband's bringing a curse on the family, that's obviously the wife should get in the way. The wife should protect the children.

01:09:45

These are things that I think are most people consider obvious. You endure what you can endure, obviously.

01:09:54

You, the things that the husband wants to do that he chooses to do, and they might even have negative consequences sometimes, you will have to endure those things, but there are limits to this,

01:10:07

I think. And we see examples in scripture of that. I just gave you one, I think of, you know, even

01:10:13

Moses and Sapphora, when she throws the foreskin at his feet, I think of, and that's not necessarily,

01:10:19

I mean, I don't know that, I mean, the story is there for a reason, but I mean, that's not saying that wives should do the same thing, but she,

01:10:25

I mean, she corrected him. He was out of line. And I think she was in the right in that situation.

01:10:30

There doesn't seem to be anything in scripture indicating that she was in the wrong for doing that. I think you have

01:10:37

Rebecca and Isaac and the whole situation of trying to ensure that their son marries a solid woman and not one of the pagans in the surrounding area.

01:10:49

So anyway, that all factors into this. These examples all factor into my assessment of this.

01:10:55

I do think that there are times when a wife does more than just appeal if the husband is in gross violation of what the

01:11:07

Lord has given charge to him to do. So that's not what

01:11:13

I mean when I say my wife corrects me, though. It is more of an appeal. So if you wanna use that word, that's fine.

01:11:18

But she does stand up to me in a sense. Like she doesn't just let me make every decision without questioning at times.

01:11:27

But she is not the kind of person to embarrass me publicly. She's not the kind of person to, and I'm not the kind of person to do that to her either.

01:11:35

So that's what a functional marriage should look like. Okay, let's keep going here.

01:11:44

I wanna get to the questions that were submitted before I get to questions that are, oh, let's see, someone just texted me and I don't know where my phone is.

01:11:54

Oh, that's a bummer. I guess I'm not gonna read that text right now. That's okay. Oh, there it is. Hold on real quick.

01:12:01

Okay, yeah, it's my wife. So there, you know, she's asking me if I can put the cat away before I go to bed.

01:12:08

We have a little cat and the cat needs to be put away because the cat will wake us up if that doesn't happen.

01:12:14

So there you go, right there. Not a correction, but, and she's not instructing me. She's not, you know, she's not, she's just asking me if I can do that.

01:12:22

And the answer of course is yes. All right, if, let's see here. If a wife is a helpmate in her husband's primary vocation, which she is, how far can she go in doing his job with him?

01:12:35

Obviously she's limited by her biology, but in areas where she's capable. And I don't, I need an example here and isn't taking away.

01:12:41

Okay, so, okay, so let me come up with an example then. You're, the wife is a clerk in the husband's law firm or the secretary at the husband's business.

01:12:54

How far can the wife go? I mean, really as far as the husband, I guess allows the wife to go, right? I mean,

01:13:00

I don't know. I mean, I don't really know that there are limits there. She's under the husband's headship.

01:13:07

She's allowed to engage in business. I don't see a problem.

01:13:12

I don't know. You'd have to show me if there's a problem I'm not seeing and I have to see what you're talking about. All right.

01:13:19

Talk about why conservatives like Trump has so many women in his cabinet. Why he appointed

01:13:24

Amy Coney Barrett. I don't know why he appointed her. That was a mistake. At the time I was skeptical about it, but obviously, you know, she was better than,

01:13:34

I guess, some of the alternatives. She was attacked by the left for good things, but I had a suspicion she might've been like a

01:13:41

Russell Moore type pro -life deal. And it seems like that might be the case. But why is

01:13:47

Trump appointed so many women? I don't know. This is just the way politics is now. There's a lot of women inhabiting these high positions.

01:13:54

And sometimes, look, if you were in politics, what would you do? You'd say, well, I just have men and all that. Well, it's easy to say that once you get there, there's all these factors you have to look at, including who's gonna be loyal and who's got a good track record and who's not subversive.

01:14:08

And the ranks are thin on the conservative side of things because there's very few people that have gone through the hoops necessary to wield power.

01:14:16

So sometimes you have to make compromises. I don't think, I think Trump's fine having women in these roles, but I'm saying,

01:14:24

I think even the most strident patriarchal person would have a hard time trying to identify people who would be good for these various roles.

01:14:32

The ideal is, obviously, you do want men wielding power. And in a cabinet, there's different positions, obviously.

01:14:39

I think, like, you have staffers. I can even think, like, to take the analogy we just used, like, what if you have a congressman and his wife is, like, his secretary or something, or his daughter or something?

01:14:50

Like, nothing really wrong with that, right? They're not, they're part of a team with him,

01:14:56

I suppose, but they're not, like, directly engaged in politics,

01:15:02

I suppose, all right. And I don't think it's a sin, like I said before.

01:15:07

I don't think it's a sin to be in politics. It's not the model, though. It's not, like, God, again, the coercion, the force, this is something that's to the shame of men when women are in these positions.

01:15:19

I'm a traditional stay -at -home mom. Frances Eliza says, but we are like dinosaurs. When I take my kids to the playground,

01:15:25

I'm surrounded by nannies who are keeping the kids alive, but not doing much else. Why do fathers allow this?

01:15:30

Why don't they put their foot down for the sake of their children? It's sad. Yeah, it is, because I see this all the time myself, not at playgrounds, but there's a lot of wives that don't even run the home.

01:15:39

They seem like they're incapable. I don't know if it's because their own connection to their own mom was severed, and they don't know how to do these things, but there's dads who are working full -time jobs.

01:15:49

They come home, and they have to now cook a meal and clean the house, and it's not right, guys. It is not right.

01:15:56

And if you're a wife listening, and this describes you, then you need to repent. You're your husband's helpmate.

01:16:04

That's what the scripture says in Genesis chapter two. And your domain, you're supposed to be, according to 1

01:16:13

Timothy, keeper at home. That is your domain.

01:16:21

It's kind of like you had one job, right? Like it doesn't mean you can't do other things, but the home is where your influence is supposed to be.

01:16:29

And if it's just not there at all, that is very demoralizing to the husband. So I do see this a lot.

01:16:34

There's a lot of women who have phone addictions and things like that, and you gotta get over that stuff.

01:16:40

If you gotta lock your phone in a case, I know people who do this kind of thing. Like literally, they lock their phone in a case.

01:16:46

Then you need to lock it in there and get off of it. I mean, just stop. You have a mission here. Same goes for husbands who don't do their jobs, but obviously that wasn't the question.

01:16:56

Ben the butcher says, he's this nice guy. He seems like he has a smiling face, but he's a butcher. All right. What is the effect of women's

01:17:02

Bible studies on a young wife's attitude towards her husband? Is she more likely to listen to and submit to an older esteemed woman or her husband in an area of disagreement?

01:17:11

Does it open the door to undermining a husband's headship? It could. But the whole point, remember, of older women teaching younger women in First Timothy is so that they will learn to love their husband.

01:17:21

So if you have a real problem, if the husband's being undermined, because the whole point, one of the major reasons for it at least is to make sure that you're reinforcing love for the husband.

01:17:31

Aaron says, what if you disagree with your husband about a biblical teaching? Okay, like creation or evolution.

01:17:37

Wow. How do you handle this kind of disagreement, especially when it comes to teaching your kids? Oof. Man, oh man,

01:17:44

I wasn't prepared for that. Okay, so you believe in sixth day creation. Husband believes in theistic evolution.

01:17:51

Well, you can have a frank conversation with your husband and just say, look, I would be disobeying the

01:17:57

Lord. I'd be lying to our children if I were to teach them what you want me to teach them.

01:18:04

And I have to obey God rather than men. So if this is gonna happen in our home, and that's the example given,

01:18:13

I petition you, allow me to at least teach my view along with you teaching yours to the kids if you're gonna do that.

01:18:21

But at least allow me to have influence here. And that's a hard one.

01:18:28

I mean, I'm thinking there's probably examples that are even more egregious. What if the husband doesn't want you to teach them

01:18:34

Christianity at all? Oof, what do you do then? And I mean, this gets dicey.

01:18:39

There are women in these kinds of positions and you do have to obey

01:18:45

God rather than men. So you are gonna have to be prudent about it, be careful.

01:18:51

But yeah, I would say that they need to know the Lord. So you'd be honest with your husband about the way you feel about these things.

01:19:00

And this could be, I mean, with non -Christians though, I mean, that is the kind of thing that breaks marriages and eventually divorces happen and so forth.

01:19:09

But man, yeah, that's a hard thing. That's a hard thing. That's kind of like an unequally yoked situation when you are so different.

01:19:16

Now, that might not seem like a big difference to some of you. I mean, theistic evolution versus creation, but it really can be a big difference.

01:19:25

Those are the kinds of things you generally try to figure out in marital counseling and so forth. You iron those things out.

01:19:31

What are we gonna teach our kids? Oh, all right. Well, do I wanna get to the rest of these?

01:19:38

All right. What in the world? Christian, all right, I've gotta show everyone this one.

01:19:44

Christians, women wearing yoga pants in public. I mean, at a gym, where are we talking about here?

01:19:53

I don't know. Is something over it? There's so many questions with that. I mean, I think women should generally be modest.

01:20:00

I do think there is a cultural element to that, to modesty. I mean, there are some universal things.

01:20:06

Obviously you can't be naked, right? We all know that. But different cultures have come down differently on what modesty looks like.

01:20:15

And really the main thing is, I think, the whole point is it shouldn't be sexually alluring to men.

01:20:22

That's not the point. You're not supposed to be trying to get them.

01:20:27

You don't want them tempted by the way that you carry yourself. So that's really the question.

01:20:34

Do yoga pants do that? And this is where, yeah, I guess there is a cultural element that comes in. Not for me, but if that's...

01:20:44

I haven't done a poll on it. I mean, if that's a common issue, I could see that being an issue, I guess. You know, maybe not.

01:20:51

Or maybe if you go to the gym, go early before there's people, or go into the women's

01:20:58

Pilates class or something. And yeah, I haven't really given that one a lot of thought, but that's related to modesty, of course.

01:21:07

All right. Jeremiah says, I got rid of mine last summer. Best thing I've ever done. You got rid of your yoga pants?

01:21:14

All right. No, no amount of cultural element can make stint tight leggings become pants.

01:21:22

You make a good point. Daniel, what about yoga pants on men?

01:21:29

Do men wear yoga pants? Maybe I'm going to the wrong gym. I mean,

01:21:35

I would have things to say about men who wear yoga pants, and I might not even...

01:21:40

I might not wanna say them on the air. All right, let's go to Facebook. Facebook had some... There was

01:21:45

YouTube, there was Facebook. I think I'm just gonna do Facebook, and then we're gonna end the podcast, because I got to go to bed. But let's see here.

01:21:51

We are... I got to find the post now. Where's the post?

01:21:57

Okay, I found it. Here it is. Okay. Women deacons, asks

01:22:07

Danny Madrid. Okay, so can women be deacons? Man, that's gonna get me into a long debate.

01:22:17

Okay. There are different traditions that make women officers of the church if they're deacons.

01:22:23

Or they make deacons officers in the church. The PCA is one of these. That's why it's such a big fight in the

01:22:28

PCA, because of the way they handle deacons. I do want people to know who are not in the PCA. There's a lot of independent

01:22:34

Bible churches and Baptist churches. When they have deaconesses, I'll call them that. Or servants, sometimes

01:22:40

I'll use different language. Or the women. There's this guy at my church. He's got a Yonkers accent.

01:22:46

He just, he always says, the women. He's like, the women want this, the women want that. I mean, you're gonna have your organic group of women form that organize events.

01:22:55

That's like pretty much, that's just gonna happen. Now, what you wanna call that is up to you. And not just events.

01:23:02

I mean, they're gonna help each other. They're gonna do meal trains. They're gonna do the kinds of things that servants and deacons do.

01:23:11

And there's a debate about whether or not there, when you see the description in 1

01:23:17

Timothy of women likewise, and then it gives you qualifications for women in the section on deacons, if that's, that Gunekas is referring to an office in the church, or if that's just the wives of deacons.

01:23:33

And I've heard people give compelling reasons for both positions. I, since my seminary days at least,

01:23:39

I wrote my position paper. And I think, I thought that it was, that with the assumption that a deacon is not a role in a church that carries with it authority.

01:23:57

They work at the discretion of the elders to accomplish tasks. I could see why it would be permissible.

01:24:07

So I came down on, I think, yeah, there is a role here. There isn't, if you, I don't know if I even wanna call it an office, but there is a role for women to serve.

01:24:17

Phoebe's often used, she was a servant, but that's servant in a general sense. So yes, women will serve in the church.

01:24:24

That could be deaconess, that you could use all kinds of different words for that. I've never been in a church where that didn't happen on some level, it happens.

01:24:31

Women are gonna serve. Like I said, though, it gets, it becomes a problem when that, when women are the trustees, then because they're a deacon, or that's like a more of an official position at the church.

01:24:42

And then, yes, then you have to kind of be against it. Then deacon doesn't necessarily mean what

01:24:48

I'm describing it as, and what I think the scripture describes it as. It's not just a servant at that point. Yeah, there's authority that comes with this.

01:24:55

There's, you're slopping into some elder territory there, but different traditions have different views.

01:25:02

So a lot of it's semantics when you get into these arguments, and there'll be people who'll say like, you're compromised if you think women have deep, but I've known that there's guys who are as patriarchal as can be that think that you can have women deacons.

01:25:13

They just don't bring all the assumptions that other people who think that that's a more authoritative position have.

01:25:21

Yeah, Gerard says deacons are elders in my church.

01:25:26

They're part of the leadership of the church. There you go. Yeah, so in that church, women can't be a deacon. If you aren't qualified to be a pastor, you aren't qualified to be a deacon.

01:25:32

Exactly, exactly. If you're in that church, a woman can't be a deacon. And that's why I have to, you have to ask what tradition are we coming from when we talk about this?

01:25:42

All right, Ashley Lishide. I love pronouncing your name right, Ashley. Catholic doctrine doesn't allow women to be priests or deacons since both officers are a representation of Christ as the bridegroom, but women are allowed to be theologians and teach both sexes.

01:25:58

Throughout church history, there have been influential and intelligent Catholic female theologians, especially nuns.

01:26:03

Do the writings of female theologians violate First Timothy Two? Well, I'm gonna sort of skip past the Catholic thing and just talk about women being theologians.

01:26:12

I have to qualify this. So I think everyone is a theologian on a certain level.

01:26:20

And women who teach other women about what is good, as we just looked at, are going to have to know something about God because God is the standard, right, for goodness.

01:26:31

So congratulations, you're doing theology at that point. So in general sense, the answer is yes.

01:26:37

But if you're talking about in a professional sense, and I think this gets into, can women write works of theology that then maybe even men will read and so forth, then we have other questions we have to ask with this.

01:26:52

So if women are not allowed to teach or have an authority over a man, and if they wanna learn something, they shouldn't disrupt the service, they should ask their husband at home, then does that mean, hey, women should be writing books of theology for men to read?

01:27:09

Is that the same thing as them teaching men in a mixed audience? I think that there's maybe three separations

01:27:19

I wanna make, three, two. So the first is there's the academic pursuit of this.

01:27:25

So studying linguistics and the background information that help us interpret scripture. Can a woman go and get a graduate degree and study

01:27:33

Near Eastern literature, for example, study languages? There's yes, why not?

01:27:39

I think that that's permissible. Now, that's not something we've seen a lot of women do in church history as opposed to men.

01:27:48

But I mean, if they have a gift in languages or something, then there's really nothing wrong with that.

01:27:54

Now, the second element to this, cause that's just really fact gathering, right?

01:28:02

We, when we get to interpretation and then indirectly teaching, so application.

01:28:09

If a woman writes a book on theology, then really that ought to be something

01:28:15

I think that other women read. It probably ought to focus on the things that Second Timothy highlights.

01:28:25

Most of the women's Bible studies at least operate under that guise. Now, I think there's a lot of bad stuff in those pre -made women's

01:28:31

Bible studies, but at least they're sort of like attempting to market themselves as doing that.

01:28:39

Do women, if a woman writes something on spiritual disciplines, should men, can,

01:28:46

I'll ask this first, can men glean from that? I'm sure they can. Should men be reading that?

01:28:52

Probably not. That's my position on that. Probably not. And this is the third separation.

01:29:00

And this isn't, this is getting outside the scope of theologian, but can a woman give her testimony? Can a woman talk about something the

01:29:07

Lord's done, something in her life? Can she give examples?

01:29:16

I think so. I don't think that that can serve a purpose of encouragement. It's not teaching so as to have authority.

01:29:25

And I do think that is the issue. And I think what's happened today is there's a lot of these more new churches,

01:29:35

I'm thinking in SBC circles, because that's what I'm most familiar with, that are trying to blur the lines on all of this and say that women can basically do anything but have the pastoral office, but then they end up doing all the things pastors do.

01:29:49

And it's with the motivation of, like I say, erasing those lines that exist and promoting egalitarianism.

01:29:57

That's wrong. That's, and the motivation's all wrong in that, of course. But can a woman or should a woman write down her thoughts?

01:30:08

Let's say she's studying the Lord and she's just writing down her thoughts on who God is, what he's like, his character for herself.

01:30:18

Sure. Once that audience grows bigger and bigger and bigger, and it becomes an authoritative thing, which is hard not to do when you start putting yourself out there.

01:30:29

I mean, look, I just put this book out there. I keep advertising my book, "'Against the Ways of the Christian Order in a Liberal Age." Go get it. I am saying that I'm an authority on this subject, right?

01:30:39

I know something about this subject and you're gonna read it and you're going to, you're gonna be dazzled, of course, but it's hard for me not to assert that I'm part of some kind of hierarchy somewhere.

01:30:52

Not an official one. I'm not your pastor, obviously, but there's gonna be people that call me up and say, "'John, can you come speak to my church?

01:30:59

"'Speak about your book. "'Tell our people about this, right?' So I'm just bringing you some of the working issues that makes something like this a difficult thing to navigate.

01:31:09

But I think in general, if you're reading something or if you're listening to something, there's not a big difference there, honestly.

01:31:16

You're still gaining information that is supposed to transform your life in some way.

01:31:26

And it's a clever workaround, I think. And part of the reason this is happening is because we live in an age where it is so easy to write things and to print things.

01:31:35

I mean, I remember there was a guy at a college. I was in undergrad. I led this Christian group and our advisor, who's a charismatic guy, lovely guy to pieces, but he was using

01:31:45

Beth Moore Bible studies for his men's group or something.

01:31:51

And I was like, what? And, oh, she's such a good teacher. There's guys that'll use

01:31:56

Jesus Calling, which that's got some bad theology. I mean, both of those examples have bad theology too, but it's like, what are you doing?

01:32:05

There's something weird about that. There's something out of order. It just hits you wrong. And the reason is is because it's not the way it's supposed to be.

01:32:12

It should be men who are doing that kind of thing. So I do narrow the scope of theological writing for women to that subject matter.

01:32:24

It's going to be the kinds of things that 2 Timothy talks about to an audience that's women. I'm not talking about other genres.

01:32:31

I'm not talking about biography and so forth. So I probably could have had a more developed thought on that, but that's my attempt there.

01:32:41

Women's roles. Your viewership is 87 % men, says Joshua. Yeah, it's probably, maybe it's not high,

01:32:46

I don't know. But they're going to be talking to their wives. And I know there's a number of women who told me they were looking forward to watching this.

01:32:54

So I'm doing it for them as well. All right, Dave Smith.

01:33:00

Could you please discuss what it means in the Bible and how the Reformers understood the Bible for women to be keepers of the home?

01:33:06

And what the Bible and how the Reformers understood women raising children? Can they have a career after or before getting married, go to university?

01:33:16

How many kids? Okay, well, I can't answer all these questions. I'll answer a few of them though. Obviously a woman can work outside of the home in some way, or they can,

01:33:25

I'll put it this way. Obviously a woman can engage in business for the sake of the home, which will include things that happen outside the home before marriage.

01:33:36

Otherwise, Proverbs 31 doesn't make any sense. After kids are gone. Yeah, I think there's nothing prohibiting that.

01:33:43

How did the Reformers understand being a keeper of home? I don't have any references in front of me.

01:33:50

I mean, I know from what I've read of Martin Luther. I mean, a lot of people think that Martin Luther almost came up with, you'll hear secular historians say that Martin Luther came up with the idea of the nuclear family.

01:34:02

There wasn't a nuclear family before Martin Luther. He very much ran, his wife and him got into some real fight.

01:34:12

So you don't look at a wife correcting her husband then look at Martin Luther. But he did have the view that her role, her domain was the home.

01:34:24

And this wasn't unique to the Reformers though. This was just kind of, this was up until five seconds ago, everyone's view for the most part.

01:34:34

That's just what wives did. So being a keeper at home is, like I said before, making the home your domain, it has your mark on it.

01:34:45

I mean, it's got your decor. It's a place of a haven for the husband and for the family.

01:34:51

It's, you manage it. You're the manager of that household. The husband gives that to you.

01:34:57

So he can then go, you're the help mate. He's having dominion.

01:35:03

He's out there fighting battles. He's out there engaging in whatever, but that's the primary responsibility that God has given to wives.

01:35:12

If I'm not mistaken, I don't know if that term was actually used, keepers of home in the Greek. I'm not sure if it's used in other places in the

01:35:18

Bible. It might be the only place. But I think we have sources from contemporary literature that there was one,

01:35:28

I think, there was one source. I don't remember which it was, but it was those who refused to go to battle, but stayed home, where it was the same word that was used describing them.

01:35:37

So like soldiers who are male, who wouldn't go out and fight. They were like keepers of home. In other words, they're staying at home.

01:35:45

So that's where the wife is primarily going to be. What does the Bible and the Reformers say about women playing sports?

01:35:52

I mean, like this is, I'm just imposing like things from the modern era on the past. I mean, we didn't have professional sports really back in the

01:35:59

Reformation or in biblical times. So, I mean, we're getting into areas that become a little more difficult.

01:36:08

I think that there's a problem when women are doing things like UFC, when they're engaging in actual, you got to examine like, is the sports testing a skill or is it warfare?

01:36:17

Football is basically warfare. So what kind of a sport are we talking about here? But if it's a skill, if it's, this woman is a really good shot, she's going to go to the

01:36:27

Olympics or she's really good at gymnastics or something, then there's nothing prohibiting that. I would put that in the same category as engaging in business even.

01:36:37

It should compliment the home though. Could you discuss the use of childcare and secular education for so, well,

01:36:46

Dave Smith's asking a lot of questions. I don't know if I should give more questions to Dave Smith. I think we're going to,

01:36:52

I'm sorry, Dave. I've already answered two of your questions and I got to land the plane. Priscilla says, I would like to see, okay, that's actually not a question.

01:36:59

It's more of a, she was just taking issue with I said that these biblical principles are mediated through tradition.

01:37:05

Hopefully we reached an understanding because I'm not saying tradition's the final authority or anything I'm saying. Things like what it looks like to be a keeper of home in our day and age.

01:37:17

There's a universal principle but there's also these cultural things that might change the way that looks.

01:37:23

For example, you're not in an agrarian society, you're in an apartment that might look different and it might affect what a keeper of home is.

01:37:30

Keeper of home might not be in the apartment quite as much as someone who's working a farm. It may give more freedom since it takes less time to clean a home and to make sure it's kept up to have a job that complements the home and so forth.

01:37:44

So, but obviously with jobs too, I should mention you gotta be very careful. I mean, look, women can get into roles where they're helping someone else's husband instead of their own.

01:37:54

And you're supposed to be the helpmate of your husband. So, I mean, these things are for prudence and for situations to consider.

01:38:01

There really aren't, some guys wanna make it easy and make universal rules. I don't think that's, I think that's gets legalistic.

01:38:09

But Kimberly says, how about what women should be doing with all their homeschooled children are grown?

01:38:16

Okay, we already kind of answered this. There's a lot of things to do, honestly. I mean, we just read from First Timothy, but I think for women who don't have kids or who don't have kids anymore either way or sometimes don't get married, yeah, there's tons of things that you can do for the kingdom of God.

01:38:39

And it doesn't have to be what everything a man does to make your life worth it. You can certainly engage in business.

01:38:46

You can certainly engage in helping the poor and needy.

01:38:52

You can certainly, I know at the end of First Timothy, it talks about this, engaging in prayer. Being a prayer warrior is sometimes undervalued, but it's very important.

01:39:03

There are a lot of things. And one of the things that you can do is talk to your pastor about that for your unique situation and what that might look like.

01:39:13

But you have maternal instincts still. So the question is, where are you going to apply those maternal instincts?

01:39:19

If it's not with the children in your home anymore, because you don't have that opportunity, then it's gonna be somewhere else.

01:39:25

And there's been some beautiful relationships that have formed because of that kind of thing. Aubrey says,

01:39:32

I need your help. A Catholic is, oh, this is totally different. Okay, nevermind. This is totally off topic. Let's go to Kiplan Nelson.

01:39:44

You are a glutton for punishment to open these cans of worms, I know. If my husband is a biblical and godly man, and we have decided how and where I spend my days, why should

01:39:52

I care what other men say? There's too many people trying to tell others what they should not do.

01:39:59

This is between God and your spouse following the word. I don't think there's a question in that. Yeah, sure,

01:40:08

I'm with you, I guess. I mean, I don't know what the specific situation is. I mean, if you're doing sinful things, obviously, but it doesn't sound like it.

01:40:16

Lynn says, blind oneself under, does that equate to both ends?

01:40:23

Some translations do say wives obey your husbands. Yeah, I mean, look,

01:40:29

I would say in general, yes. The relationship that should exist is a loving husband who is trying to make a study of his wife.

01:40:42

He is trying to understand his wife, which is a lifelong pursuit, and the wife is submitting and obeying the leadership of that husband as they do these things.

01:40:52

Now, when the husband's leadership breaks down, obviously, that opens some of the situations that we talked about earlier.

01:41:01

Elena says, I have a question. I have a friend, she's a believer, but her husband is not. They just got a baby. She's very skeptical about Vax, or more accurately to say, she believes it might kill her child because it is weak.

01:41:12

Her husband thinks getting all the jabs is necessary. Oh man, this is like the theistic evolution question. What advice would you give that woman?

01:41:18

Obey her husband or do what her conscience tells her? Oof, you have two options, right? And this is one of those things where you have,

01:41:26

I think you have two possibilities and neither of them are absolute. And it really does depend on the situation to some extent.

01:41:35

If you really, I mean, if you think that Vax is gonna kill the child, I mean, it's a really serious thing, then you can't go along with it.

01:41:43

And you're gonna have to be honest with the husband about that, and he's gonna participate.

01:41:50

I mean, if it gets, I don't know, I mean, will it merit this? I mean, like, do you kidnap the kid?

01:41:57

And like, you know, I mean, obviously if it was a murder situation, the husband's trying to kill your kid, that's exactly what you would do.

01:42:02

You would take the kid, you would leave. I don't know that this rises to that, but it depends on, like I said, circumstance.

01:42:10

How much of a threat do you think this is? The other option obviously is to say,

01:42:17

I'm gonna trust God. This is the husband he's given me. And I know this is a risk.

01:42:22

You know, wives have to do this with husbands a lot because husbands tend to allow their kids to take more risks.

01:42:31

I'm gonna let my kid climb the tree. I'm gonna let my kid go to camp. I'm gonna let my kid do things that the wives are generally apprehensive about at first.

01:42:38

And that's where, okay, I trust the Lord. My husband wants what's best for this kid. Now, where it breaks down is whether you think the husband really doesn't want what is best and is really making a horrible decision and the threat level is red alert.

01:42:50

And that's what you have to determine for yourself. But man, all the jabs.

01:42:57

I mean, I'm a pretty, I'm against that stuff. I don't, I think we're way over vaxed personally.

01:43:04

So I empathize with it. I would probably, though, in this case, it's more of a risk.

01:43:11

It is not a direct, it's not murder, right? So I would probably just express my opinion and then let my husband do what he's gonna do and pray to God that Quincy's not suffered.

01:43:26

Okay, I think that's about it. I think we gotta go, man. It's an hour and 45 minute stream here.

01:43:31

Any questions, last minute questions here? Yeah, yeah, we're all talking about COVID now.

01:43:39

I hope this was helpful for some of you. I mean, there's so many things to talk about and we got into so many different areas, but look, to cap all of this, the word of God is very rich.

01:43:52

And I just encourage people to get into the word, understand the principles and then apply them, right? Connect with the word of God and also connect with your own history and identity of who you are.

01:44:04

And this is gonna make you a more rich and mature and stable person.

01:44:11

And we live in a time when people are trying to grab on to any lifeboat that is floating, any piece of wood that is floating and they want assurance.

01:44:20

They want people who will speak very confidently, sometimes too confidently about things maybe they don't understand, but they want someone, they want

01:44:28

Andrew Tate to tell them very confidently, this is the way it is. And you can be confident about the things

01:44:36

God tells you. You can stake your claim right there, but you don't have to be driftwood out there.

01:44:45

You can be a boat. You can be a functional boat. You can be an alternative to all these ideological voices out there that are selling all kinds of things, snake oil included.

01:44:57

And that just, I guess, would be my encouragement. Be that kind of a stable person. We need more people like that.

01:45:04

Stable people are exhausted right now because we live in such an unstable time. People are latching on to those who are stable.

01:45:11

And I think it's not hard to get there, but it does take some work.

01:45:17

It does take some grappling with some things. It means you're not gonna be swiping on your phone as much.

01:45:23

I'm not saying single out anyone in particular in the audience or something, but it means you're gonna go to good sources.

01:45:31

Listen to people who bring you up and don't just give you just black pills. I know I gave you one, some black pills you need, but listen to people who are gonna bring you to a better place and increase your understanding and wisdom.

01:45:44

We need wise voices and that's where you get them. It's from the word of God. So with that, happy Lord's day.

01:45:51

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01:46:00

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01:46:06

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01:46:11

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