Cultish: Answering The Claims to WitchTok

Opening Banter and Introductions

Alright, welcome back ladies and gentlemen to cultish entering the kingdom of the Colts. My name is Jeremiah Roberts. I am one of the co-hosts here as Always I am here joined by Andrew the super sleuth of the show up in Harriman, Utah, how are you doing, man?

I'm doing well. It's Harriman. Harriman. Harriman. Yeah, I'm getting better than I thought. Well last thing you pronounce you told me about hairy, man Harriman, Utah. Yes, and you're up there with your little cultish office little cultist setup and now we're even I feel like we're now.

We're more serious because people can't see it. I can actually see you. There's this giant plasma screen TV or I can see I can see your full mug. So yeah, it's it just praise God for technology. So it's always always awesome to have you sleuth around and co-hosting with me.

Super excited for this episode. We are back with Marsh Montenegro. We are gonna be doing a follow-up today from our previous episode. Talking about Wicca and witchcraft and we're gonna be kind of going through Really some tick-tock or I recall like encountering witch talk tick-tock.

We talked about in our last episode that just the prominence of just the occult of witchcraft Wicca. People who are psychics mediums the whole celebrity micro celebrity culture that's kind of been given to us via social media.

It can be used technology is a great thing. I mean, we're here together Andrew. We're utilizing technology. We're gonna broadcast out this episode. It's gonna get thousands of downloads people are gonna view it thousands of times on YouTube, which is great.

But also it can be utilized for things not so good which we're gonna talk about and so we are joined once again by Marsha Montenegro, it's good to join you. It's good for you to join us again. How are you?

Hey, hi there.

Oh, it's great to be back with you guys. It's always. It's always fun and interesting. Oh, yeah, always always.

Well, yeah, I mean like I said you've you if you guys haven't if you're brand new to the podcast. We've done episodes on the Enneagram. We've done ones in astrology. We just wrapped up just the recent most recent episode kind of going in really in-depth.

Over kind of the history and a level-headed way to viewing the world of witchcraft and Wicca and all of that. What we're gonna be doing today is we're gonna be just kind of doing rapid fires as fast as we can because we were talking about how.

Again, the occult has really influenced the new generation and so all these clips you're gonna hear from the social media platform tik-tok and so we're gonna be respond have you. Respond to these and kind of even and we also so we want to give you all just when we play these clips.

Just understand. This is just the pulse of the marketplace of the upcoming generation. You might call it Gen Z. I think these young people would fall under that category. I know that I'm Gen X I would fall into that category too.

But as always since you're with us, we have to play our honorary clip to enter to bring you in. So let's go ahead and let's go ahead and introduce you by this. Yes, I love it. Definitely and just before we jump and in case this is the first cultist episode.

That someone's listened to or they haven't heard even the previous episode even though you're on with us this a couple days ago. Just tell them just real quickly about who you are. And what makes you somewhat of an authority to kind of talk on the subject of witchcraft Wicca New Age and all that.

Okay. Sure. Yes. I was involved and what's called the New Age for many years at least 20 years. My interest really started before that and I was involved also in Eastern religions, but I was a professional astrologer and I took classes in or dabbled in other areas such as tarot cards numerology psychic development past life regression I I.

You know, I just I was. I was into a lot of different areas not every single area of the New Age. That would be impossible. There's so many but a lot of them and I had friends of course who were psychics mediums.

Oh, yeah, contacting the dead was another area. I dealt into a psychics mediums astrologers. It's and witches and Wiccans. So a lot of my clients as an astrologer Were witches and Wiccans and I actually spent time with them on a few retreats and so I was familiar with not and it wasn't just one community of Wiccans and witches.

There were five different groups I knew of. Personally at the time when I was in Atlanta, Georgia, which is where I was during this whole New Age life. Hmm.

Okay, well good. That's it. That's a great summary. I appreciate you giving us that so let's just go ahead and jump right into it. I believe we play this for you last time. So this is a clip of a young lady who is trying to Make an interesting equivalent because a lot of them what's interesting is that she is aware that the Bible is not friendly Towards witchcraft and Deuteronomy 18 is very specific in regards to these particular practices that are an abomination towards God.

But look in this one. This is a young lady and she is trying to make a very interesting equivalent so I'm just gonna go and play this clip and We'll go ahead and just maybe spend 10 to 15 minutes or so packing this apart and and we'll go from there.

So here's the first clip.

Miracles of Jesus Are Not Witchcraft

So people want to say that it's impossible for me to be a Christian and a witch. I just have a couple things to say about that immaculate conception witchcraft rising from the dead witchcraft stars leading to a baby witchcraft gifts of frankincense myrrh and gold witchcraft walking on water witchcraft turning water into wine witchcraft.

Healing people. Instantaneously witchcraft. Okay. So there is that there's a very conclusive 32 seconds argument. And this is what you'll see, you know. Tick tocks are usually 30 to 60 seconds long where he would just kind of throw in their points.

So is there any that is this a valid argument? So we just pack our pack up our bags and go home and say well, we had a good run. We don't have any way to answer that or is there a better way to answer that?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yes, absolutely first of all several of the things she mentions there are Miracles from God and she's equating miracles with witchcraft because they're both Put into the category of the supernatural.

Now, of course miracles are the real supernatural a miracle. From a Christian viewpoint is a power that God Exercises. God does something Miraculously that goes beyond the natural it's not contrary to the natural but it is beyond the natural.

It's something that Man can't do on his own so When for example, Jesus raised Lazarus who had been dead for three days. This was a miracle, but of course Jesus as God has power over life and death. Just as when God brought Samuel back in 1st Samuel 28, and then there's another story.

I think it was Elijah who raises the Widow's son the dead the widows dead son. It's either Elijah or Elisha. I think it's Elijah. That power was given to him by God. So God has power over life and death.

God also has power over creation. So Jesus walking on water is not witchcraft. That is his power over creation just as when he rebuked the sea in the wind and When there was a very bad storm on the lake and he was in the boat with the Disciples and they thought they were going to drown and Jesus just rebukes the sea in the wind and they obey him.

They obey him because he's God. Now another point to make here is that witchcraft can't do any of these things. What they cannot really they can't walk on water. They can't heal Instantaneously, and they can't raise the dead.

Witchcraft has absolutely no power to do any of those things so this is probably a good place for me to Have a little footnote on On what I think about whether there is power in witchcraft or not. And here's what I think I do not think the people doing witchcraft actually have power.

I think that in some cases not all depending on what they're doing. There is a demonic supernatural power. But it is very minimal compared to what God does. It's very minimal. They can't know which can go out in the middle of a storm and make the sea and wind Obey her or him.

No, which can do that and it's ever done it and never will do it. They can't do any of those things Jesus did so what what she's doing in that little 30-second clip there is trying to equate miracles With what she believes are supernatural powers and witchcraft and I this is not uncommon because It's it's not unusual that you find among new agers and and occultists The idea that many things in the Bible were done with magic.

For example It's often Said that Moses. And the rod that he had or the Aaron's rod Was really a wand and really was used for magical powers. So all the miraculous things they did were magic. So this idea is not it's not a new idea.

But the but the problem is they can't support this with any real-life Verified examples because there's nothing there's no way they can replicate any numericals of the Bible so You know, that's really the main point.

I'm trying to remember all it was everything. She listed a miracle.

I can't remember everything. Well, one of the well once she even listed the the immaculate conception or really. Again, she gave a couple examples in that 30 seconds. But I think she's really appealing.

She just really it seemed to be just really anything remotely coming across as supernatural. I think that was the gist of her argument, which is right flawed just real quick. I think it's obviously flawed because what Deuteronomy 18 is saying is saying this is a certain particular Category of the supernatural that's off-limits.

This is a no-fly zone. But that's not but that's not indicative of that and so even like the immaculate conception or even really just which is a byproduct of the The incarnation is a byproduct that the Bible versus the New Age would even would look at some dualism.

Where the suit, you know, the physical is bad but there's an emphasis on the supernatural or something of that nature whereas biblical Christianity makes perfect sense of both the Supernatural and the flesh it's not this misbalance of categories.

And so, you know, she's just she's making it just a very bad categorical error but it's very indicative of the type of reasoning that is that we have in this very Post-modern tik-tok culture that we're observing just in that 30-second clip.

Yeah, can I and actually I'm sorry.

I just want to kind of piggyback off what you're saying to you Marsha. I want to read Galatians 5 19 through 20. It says this it says now the works of the flesh are evidence sexual immorality impurity sensuality idolatry Sorcery and I'll just stop there.

You can continue on the point that I'm gonna make right now is exactly what Marsha was saying is these people who are Witches Wiccans, they need some type of ritual or medium or some way to try to Transcend this material reality into a supernatural existence in order to recreate something that where God he doesn't need mediums.

He doesn't need any of these things the miracles flow from his nature. He is God and he is transcendent yet imminent over all things. So he doesn't need an object like a staff. He doesn't need a pentagram drawn with a circle with candles on each point.

It's just not that's just not the same things like you were saying as well Jerry it's a false equivalence to miracles and the creature needing some type of ritual or medium to To go past the material and into the supernatural.

Essentially, that's a those are very good points.

There is there has to be some kind of tool and or ritual and or calling on a Spirit a God a force an elemental spirit of nature or something like that to supposedly make the Supernatural power work. So you're right.

It is it you're they're dependent on something else and of course and even then They can't replicate what God does but you're right. There's a very big difference. Whereas with God It's not any kind of effort or special, you know thing God has to do.

In order to get in order to you know for Jesus to calm the storm He just simply commanded the sea and the wind to stop. He just said stop and that was that was all that was needed. There was no ritual at all.

I wanted to. I think I could be wrong, but I want to clear this up. She said immaculate conception I think that refers to Mary. I Think that refers to the conception of Mary, doesn't it? Not. Oh, yeah the verbal the virgin conversion birth.

Yeah. Yeah, I think I she may have said it thinking it means the virgin birth. But I don't think they're the same thing. I need to double-check that I think immaculate conception is a Roman Catholic thing about Mary.

Yeah, but Let's take the virgin birth. Okay, that was Definitely a you know, it's usually not called a miracle, but it was definitely a supernatural thing that Theologians still discuss and debate because we still don't totally understand understand.

You know, we know the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary there was some kind of supernatural thing going on Jesus was still fully human and Conceived and was in Mary's womb just like any baby today is in the womb.

But the conception was a supernatural conception and that was certainly there's nothing like that in the world of witchcraft. So Yeah, the the thing is this can be confusing. You know the people who watch tick-tock being probably mostly I imagine probably largely under maybe 25 years old.

Yeah. You know very young maybe, you know, 13 14 15 are going to hear something like this and think she has a point because That age group is in an un part of an unchurched generation and they aren't exposed to any kind in most cases any kind of biblical knowledge or Understanding and they may hear things here and there from the Bible, but they don't really understand it.

So in their minds when they hear this and I hope some of them are listening or get this podcast somehow I hope they understand that. Everything she said is is false because there's a difference between the miracles of God and what which is claim.

Are there supernatural powers? So That's and since God does condemn witchcraft. Another point is since God condemns it. He certainly wouldn't use it. So It does. God's not going to use something he condemns.

You know casting spells or call, you know Calling on spirits, etc. Now God can do things That we can't do but he's always in Harmony with his nature and who he is. Hmm. That's right. Oh, that's right.

The the gate the angel Gabriel didn't come to Mary and tell Mary You need to perform X Y Z in order for the Holy Spirit to come and put a baby inside of you. No, God put the baby the incarnation of Jesus Christ inside of Mary.

Mary didn't do some ritual. She didn't do a seance. She didn't contact the day. No God came to her, right?

Christian Witches Worship Creation

Okay, so second one we'll just jump into the really great points and I think this is good to kind of just break down. Very thorough, you know thoroughly a 30-second tik-tok clip. But again, this is just indicative of this upcoming generation and how they how they're thinking through these things.

So the next category is this is someone making the argument. The title is called Christian witches worship creation. So we'll just go ahead and hit play. I don't even know what they're gonna say. We've got 30 to 60 seconds we'll see what comes out the other end and We'll see what happens here.

Here we go.

Yes, of course you can. Witchcraft is not a religion. It's just a practice. Many Christian witches actually see it as Worshiping God through witchcraft. This is because they're working with and worshiping the thing that he created which is the earth and nature.

To Christians God created everything. God created the universe the world so he created energy in nature. So a really great way that a lot of Christian witches Practice Christianity is by working with what God gifted them.

And I'm not a Christian which I just know many Christian witches. And that's what they've told me. Witchcraft itself is not a religion. It's just a practice with nature and your journey with it is your own and it can be however you want it to be.

And don't let anybody tell you different. I hope this helped. Mwah.

Yeah, so there you go. That is some very some interesting argumentation. You can see a lot of postmodern relativism specialty at the end kind of what is truth? Everyone's on their own unique journey and path and she's making sort of an equivalence with you know God creating all things and so there's an always an element where some of the things she's saying is true.

But there's a slight deviation. I think about the interaction I believe when some of the Apostles in the book of Acts, you know, there's someone so the lady who's under different spirit. It says look they are proclaiming a way, right?

So they're taught they were kind of proclaiming she was affirming what they were saying, but there was a slight distortion in it. So she's a making an equivalence. Yeah, God did create these things. He did create Energy, I guess you could call it or all those and all the ins and outs of physics and all that.

But it's again she's using as a means to and that's that's what I caught on.

But what are your thoughts off of that clip? Okay. Yeah, I've several. First of all, yeah, you're right that there's often a little bit of truth and in falsehoods. So, you know when she acknowledges God created everything he created the universe.

Yes, that's true Christians. The problem is is that because God created everything it doesn't make everything sacred. God is the only one who should be worshiped and God was is very clear about this. In fact, it's one of the most, you know, one of the clearest Themes of the Bible is that you are to worship only the true God.

And of course as Christians, we believe in the Trinity the Trinitarian God. God is one three distinct Persons we say persons we don't mean human persons, although Jesus is also fully human. But so God the Father God the Son the Holy Spirit all co-equal and co-eternal Distinct but not separate from each other and they are not each other.

So God is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not God the Father God. The Father is not Jesus, etc. So we have one God and Jesus affirmed this and you worship only God. In fact when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him said I will give you all this if you bow down and worship me and Jesus said You only you are to worship only God so creation is not Sacred creation is from God, but God and God is everywhere.

This is an important point to make God is everywhere, but he is distinct from creation. He's not in creation. He's not a part of creation creation is not a part of God. And this is a confusion that you find in lots of places even in Christianity, but that that's a principle that Probably in witchcraft in the New Age.

They don't believe or understand. Another thing about what she said, I want to mention this because she said it twice. She said witchcraft is Not a religion. It's a practice and I want to address that because actually it's both.

It is a practice and when the Bible was written Actually, there's I covered this in the other program on on Wiccan witchcraft. There is no Hebrew word for witchcraft. So we probably ought to say that in this program as well.

There's no Hebrew word for witchcraft. So when you see that word in the English Bibles The English language Bibles you may think well if there's no Hebrew word for it, why is it there? It's because it is the equivalent for the practice of certain occult arts such as divination and contacting the dead.

Those practices were considered part of witchcraft when Bibles were translated and witchcraft can be a it can be defined as Practicing certain occult practices if you look at it as a generic term. And not a not a a religious term.

Okay, so witchcraft as a religion Came about in the 20th century. Actually, even though there's people who claim it was witchcraft was a religion before that's not true. It came about in the 20th century as a what we would call a religion with certain practices and beliefs and people following certain set guidelines and Actually, I think the Supreme Court I could be wrong.

I think the Supreme Court declared Wicca Or witchcraft a religion a number of years ago because I know that people in the military Who are witches and die as witches I think are allowed to have a witchcraft symbol on their gravestone.

Like they want the pentagram. I'm pretty sure I'm right. I could be wrong. That's also true for Satanism. So I may be thinking of Satanism and not witchcraft. But I'm pretty sure Wiccan witchcraft has been recognized as a religion if not by the Supreme Court at least by the culture.

And a lot of Wiccans and witches will say it's a religion so it's kind of funny that she's saying it's not a religion because a lot of Which Wiccans and witches have worked very hard to promote the idea of it being a religion.

Yeah, so, you know whether it's just it's definitely a practice and I think it's a recognized religion. I have no problem calling it a religion. I don't have a problem with that. But to me, it's kind of beside the point whether it's a practice or a religion.

What we have to look at is the content. What does it teach? What kind of beliefs does it have and how did those compare to the Bible and Really nothing in Wicca witchcraft is compatible With the Bible beyond the idea of if they want to say God created everything.

Okay, that's compatible. There's one other point I want to make and that is she used the word energy and I want to say that there's often a false equivalence with this word because usually when Someone in the occult or the New Age uses the word energy they don't mean physical energies like Electrical energy.

Okay, they that's usually not what they're talking about. They're talking about supernatural energy now. Sometimes what happens is especially in the New Age. They try to promote the idea of energy vibrations and frequencies especially in healing they try to promote it as scientific and so what they'll do is they'll Refer to scientific things like electromagnetic frequencies or radio frequencies or some kind of Actual physical vibration that can be measured and they'll say we'll say look at all these things.

These are all scientific and all we're doing is talking about applying the science to healing. But that's not true at all because the energy in the New Age is not physical. It's supernatural and So there's a lot of confusion around that word.

This is one thing I have been battling in my ministry and believe me. It's a battle because people are falling for a lot of quackery in The healing arts area because of this confusion on energy. So I I don't know what she meant when she said energy.

She may have meant Physical types of energy we can Measure, but it's likely that she did not mean that or right also including supernatural energy. So I needed to make a point about that. No, that's good.

And of course, you know just given the worldview the typical worldview of New Age practices does tend to be pantheistic all is divine all is self. And so it would make sense that there would just be an assumption that could be what you know.

What she was sort of indicating and that. So the next one is kind of interesting. Wait before you go on.

I want to say something about that as well. So what's the first commandment, right? I think the way Jesus would respond to these people is the same way. He would respond to the Pharisees. Have you not read have you not read the first commandment.

Thou shalt not have any other gods before me, right? Beginning of the Bible. Why is man created to worship God glorify him forever and to take dominion over Creation. Right to take dominion over creation to understand that there's a separation between what is sacred like Marsha was saying which is God what he defines as holy himself thrice holy and what he has created and Our dominion and power that we exercise over it as image of God bearers, right?

But when you Exchange the glory of the immortal God for the creation and worship the creation instead of the Creator. That's actually a judgment from God because you're actually lowering the position of yourself.

And the Dominion mandate that we're supposed to exercise as Christians. And now you serve in worship the creation and it's absolutely a religion. I would say the Bible defines that as a religion because you're worshiping something other than the true and living God, right?

Yes, and Romans 1. I'm glad you mentioned that you didn't say Romans 1 but you were referring to it exactly. I would urge anybody listening to this who is wondering what he was referring to to read. The first chapter of Romans starting around verse 18 or so.

18 19. Yep, it goes into the fact that God has revealed himself. His attributes can be seen in creation. So in other words, and then he says man has no excuse in other words, we can all see there is a creator.

Just by no just by looking at creation. We realize there has to be a creator and that and then the woman on that to talk thing was acknowledging that. If she believes that she she's acknowledging. Yes, God made everything and that is evident.

That's something God says everybody can see for themselves. They don't even have to be told that but then God goes on and talks about. What happens is man? suppresses this truth and He exchanges it for a lie and he starts to worship creation.

Rather than the creator and then it goes downhill from there. And that's what happens in the next several verses of that passage in Romans is where God describes that and like Andrew said you man's worshiping creation when God actually says he made man in his image.

Nothing in creation is made in God's image except man. He didn't make trees in his image. He didn't make the rivers in his image. You know, he didn't make the flowers in his image. He only made in the animals.

He didn't make the animals in his image. Only man is made in his image. And so man, even though man has fallen and naturally sinful. Man is still a creation of an on level above The animals and nature, although God loves his creation and we are not to abuse it.

We have we can't worship it because not only then are we not worshiping God the creator of those things. But we're worshiping something God put us above so. That's that's a good point, that's a good point Andrew and it's good I think to to bring up Romans 1 there.

Amen.

Thank you, Marsha. All right. So the next one it's gonna be interesting. This is someone who is Wearing some interesting makeup. You won't be able to see it. We'll play it. We'll play this clip when this goes live on the YouTube channel.

This has to do with Christians and spiritual warfare apparently which giving their assessment of it. So let's go ahead and play this clip and see what happens here. One packet. Here we go.

Spiritual Warfare Is Not Against Flesh and Blood

Spiritual warfare is a normal part of the Christian walk. The enemy is always so someone pointed this.

Christian out to me and This spiritual warfare video is exactly what I was talking about before. Part of their indoctrination into Christianity is that if you don't constantly Constantly Berate people with your beliefs.

You're not a good Christian. So when I tell you that they want to end us and our faith That's what they preach in their churches. That's what they preach on tick-tock. They don't want peace.

They want warfare. Just read the video. Okay, so just what that is. I believe it's called a stitch is where one ticker talker will respond to another one. So the very beginning of it, it's actually a Christian talking about Ephesians Spiritual warfare and now she's this is a witch then responding to that.

So just off the get-go I mean what give what's the mindset of a like that lady? Who's making that assumption about the Christian referring to this as spiritual warfare. Like just give me your immediate thoughts and just impact that.

However, you can't for us.

Okay, of course I don't know what the Christian is actually saying because I do want to acknowledge the fact that Most spiritual warfare teachings I hear about in the church are bad. They are not. Yes, in fact a lot of the spiritual war so-called spiritual warfare teachings in the church and it may be on that video That that which Referenced.

I don't know are actually more like the occult. It's actually where they imitate things in the occult and do things like, you know. It's almost like they're they're doing a counter spell. Or they think they have to say certain words or do certain things you know, they have to repeat something three times or they have to go to each corner of the house and and Blessed or something they have some kind of ritual these are all actually from an occult mindset and one of my big issues with spiritual warfare in the church is that It is more occultic than biblical now if the woman was was talking about Ephesians 6 in a sound way and and Giving a sound interpretation of it.

That's another matter. I mean, we don't know if she was or not. So there's comments on it from the switch. She could have been reacting to Something that was actually not biblical, but it is wrong for her to say that Christians on the whole Are trying to eliminate witches or you know trying to do it.

It's like like we're in warfare against them. She made it sound like we think we're kind of battling. We think that we're in a war against witches and maybe other people and of course That is not a biblical view if any Christian thinks that they're not thinking biblically.

Because Ephesians 6 spiritual warfare says specifically our weapons are not flesh. We're not fighting flesh and blood. It says that right there. I mean, it's almost an exact quote, you know. We're not we're not and we're not using Material things in warfare and we're not fighting against people.

We're fighting against Spiritual forces and actually You know the way I see it and I know there's different views on this, but the way that I see it is That God tells us the way that we do this and he gives us the armor, right?

He talks about the breastplate and the helmet and You know the belt and so you've got truth in there and the helmet of salvation. What is it the shield of faith maybe you have these different pieces of Equipment that apparently was worn by Roman soldiers, I think and that's used as metaphors.

For standing your ground in the faith on The strength and truth of Jesus Christ. We are nothing without Jesus Christ. We can't we can't deal with anything evil in the world on our own in our own strength.

I mean it would just flatten us in two seconds, you know, if God if God didn't watch over us, so The spiritual warfare for a Christian is not to be against witches but to expose for example the false beliefs of witchcraft in order To keep people from being deceived.

Because those beliefs are contrary to what Christ taught and what God teaches so our desire is for those caught up in witchcraft to see the truth and To see the truth of Christ and see who the real Jesus really is and and Christians who really love Christ Have a passion for that they care about people who are in things like witchcraft we care about you.

We're not against you. We don't want to eliminate you for heaven's sakes. That's the last thing we do. Want you to hear about the true Jesus and to know about him. We can't make you believe in him. We wouldn't try to force you to do it.

That's contrary to Christianity too, that's anybody who's done that in the name of Christ has done it falsely because You know, there's nothing in the New Testament that endorses forcing people to believe things.

So, you know the way of following Christ is to present the truth and then let God work in that person's mind and heart and God is the one who reaches people with the truth. But we are to present it and we are to expose teachings that are against God.

So that is one level of spiritual warfare, you know, the other levels dealing with evil or dealing with. You know evil things. How do you respond to that? How do you deal with somebody at going against you maybe?

When you're trying to maybe preach the gospel or something and but but again, you don't go against that person. You recognize that Satan opposes Christ and Satan will use people to go against the gospel and and he does.

But we don't we don't go after people as our people are not our enemy. Not our enemy. Our enemy is Satan, but not people and so. That's very important for people in witchcraft and the New Age and anybody who is not a Christian to understand.

Any idea that. That of spiritual warfare that is against people or wants to do away with people that is not coming from God. Any Christian preaching that it's not preaching the Bible. Okay, they're preaching a warped idea.

They may have so whatever this woman said on the video. I don't know but I want to present the biblical view and Acknowledge there are people who teach things that are not biblical. There are Christians who teach unbiblical things.

Oh, absolutely and given and given that again. It was on tick-tock. This is a good chance that sometime that that might have been like a really bad example. This was just a response to it. But it shows you and I think one of the things just very interesting is that you know We're doing around a 15-minute response to a 60-second clip that shows you that, you know, really biblical Christianity and apologetics.