September 25, 2019 Show with Matthew Robinson on “Puritan: All of Life to the Glory of God”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 25th day

of September 2019.

And I'm excited to have, for the very first time on the program, Matthew Robinson, who is

director of Media Gratte, and we are going to be discussing a new project

that they have developed, and I am really excited about it.

It is a new documentary that they have created, Puritan, All of Life to the Glory of

God, and I just started watching it about 45

minutes before the show started, and I am just really enthralled with

this documentary and can't wait to watch the entire film.

But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you, for the very first time ever, to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

Matthew Robinson.

Thank you, Chris.

It's my pleasure, and it really is an honor to be on this historic program with you.

I really appreciate that, brother.

And before we go into a summary of your own personal testimony of salvation,

which is something that we have a tradition here of doing on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio when we have a first

-time guest, we have them give an abbreviated version of their salvation testimony.

But before we do that, tell our listeners about Media Gratte.

Sure.

Well, Media Gratte is a small, nonprofit organization down in New Albany,

Mississippi, where I live.

And I say small, there are three full -time guys and one part -time guy, so right

now.

And we make multimedia projects to serve the Church.

We named ourselves Media Gratte, that is a Latin phrase for the means of grace,

and we certainly do not intend to supplant the means of grace that God has ordained,

which we see as preaching and singing and prayer and the Word of God being preached,

which happens in the local church, giving

documentaries and Bible study materials of the Lord

Jesus Christ.

We've been around since about 2012,

multimedia Bible studies and documentaries,

where we've just, as you mentioned, finished up a big two -year project on the

Puritans with Dr. Joel Beakey and his two organizations,

Reformation

Dr. Beakey is a longtime friend of mine going back to the 1990s.

In fact, I was the first person to get Dr. Beakey on the radio,

because originally the former denomination that Dr. Beakey belonged to didn't believe in using the radio.

And when he was a part of those brethren that launched the Heritage,

which was originally called the Heritage Netherlands Reformed Church and then later became the Heritage Reformed Church,

they obviously began using the radio, and not only was he a participant on a

radio program that I developed in the 1990s called The Voice of Sovereign Grace,

that denomination of the Heritage Reformed Churches began the Gospel Trumpet

broadcast, and it is great to know that there are solidly

Reformed brethren making use of the media so that we can have

a voice of truth amidst all the other clamor that exists in Christian media, much of

which is disastrously, ranging from

barely adequate to monstrously heretical.

Yeah, yeah, I'd have to agree with you, brother.

And I hope Dr. Beakey is listening.

I look forward to my next meeting with him.

I have seen him preach a number of times at conferences, and he is such a gifted and brilliant and

humble brother in Christ.

In fact, let me just go through a list of the speakers that you have in this documentary.

We already mentioned Dr. Joel Beakey.

Al Mohler, Conrad M. Bayway, Jeff Thomas, Jeremy Walker,

J .I. Packer, John MacArthur, let's see, Ligon

Duncan, Mark Dever, Rosaria Butterfield, Stephen Nichols, Stephen J. Lawson, and

I have interviewed all of those individuals on Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio, except J

.I. Packer.

I have not interviewed Dr. Packer yet.

But also, in addition to those folks that I have not interviewed that I am looking

forward to, God willing, interviewing at some point in the future, Ian Hamilton, Gloria

Fuhrman, John Piper, John Snyder, Kevin D. Young, Leland Rykin,

Michael Keeves, Sinclair Ferguson, one of my favorite of all preachers and authors, and

I'm really excited that you got Jeremy Walker involved.

I mean, I'm excited that you got all of these folks involved.

Jeremy Walker might be the least known amongst some of the more

globally renowned names, but he is such a brilliant and humble and

gifted brother, not only in writing, but I've interviewed him a number of times on this program, and I just

love every interview that I do with Jeremy, and I'm looking forward to many more.

And he always makes himself available whenever I have invited him on.

And what a gift to the body of Christ he is.

He is a hidden gem, and I hope that everybody listening will look up

the writings of Jeremy Walker.

You could go to CVBBS .com, who sponsors this program, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, CVBBS

.com, and put in the search engine, Jeremy Walker, and if nothing comes up,

they will certainly order whatever you would like to order that has been written by

Jeremy.

And of course, Reformation Heritage Books, the publishing ministry that had been launched a

number of years ago by the aforementioned Dr. Joel Beeke.

You can find the books that he has written for them at their website,

and the Reformation Heritage Books website, just to let you folks know.

And I'm looking that up right now.

I believe it's heritagebooks .org.

That's right, it is.

Heritagebooks .org.

Yeah, and I'm so happy to hear you say that about Jeremy.

He is

the warmest brother that we

know of, and we try to include him in literally every.

Yeah, and I look forward to having him back, and I will be sure to plug this documentary when I do, God willing, when he

returns.

Well, I just want to make sure, I plan to repeat this website, but for those of our listeners who may

have to leave our discussion before it's over, let me make sure I give you the website of Media Gratiae.

That's mediagratiae .org.

It's mediagratiae .org.

Yeah, and Chris, I've told people if you want a recipe for perpetual obscurity, just make

your website.

That's what we've done, but you can also go to themeansofgrace .org,

and that'll take you to mediagratiae .org.

Great, and so already we know you're not a hyper -Calvinist because you believe in the means of grace.

Some of those who have, unfortunately, throughout history, including even today,

taken these precious truths of the sovereignty of God and twisted them beyond what

the Scriptures teach and teach that there are no means of grace

that God uses to bring his elect to a saving knowledge of him, so we are

thankful about that.

Now, as I said before, when I first introduced you, we have a tradition here on Iron Trip and Zion Radio where

we like to have our first -time guests give an abbreviated summary of their salvation testimony, including

the kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, if any, and the providential circumstances

that our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and brought you to a saving knowledge

of him.

Well, we do confess that God used the first and primary cause, but

he does use it

in

PCA Church.

The pastor that I remember as a grad, one of the first graduates from

Reform Theological Seminary down in Jackson, Mississippi, I'm sure

will be familiar with Dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones' involvement.

Oh, yeah.

Not direct involvement, but his influence on PCA coming to be, as well as

R .C. Sproul, encouraging involvement in those

early days, and so there's never been a time that I didn't know those names.

So growing up in that environment was kind of hard, but you know,

when something really tragic happened, I didn't care.

And so, even though it was in the

world, I lived in the

skateboarding world, and

so as soon as I moved out of my

parents' house, I was

into plumbing and just, you know, really not who you would think would grow up to make

documentaries about the plumbing.

Through the Lord's kindness, through the accords of a man,

through the involvement of different people that he placed in my life, he

did allow me to, and by that I

mean, even in the religious world, the fundamental King

James, I know a little bit about that culture.

I've already mentioned I was in a confessional church growing up, and so I know that culture.

I kind of cleaned up and, you know,

stopped living in warehouses and started thinking, you know, these Christians, they're pretty good at keeping it

between the ditches, and there's probably some stuff I could learn from that, because now

that I have a wife, I need to start rethinking some of these

things.

And so,

in home education, I go

through that world a little bit, and come from the

early

days of the Lord

Jesus Christ, not

because, not

through the

fault of any one or another of those, but being

able to, in

my 30th year of

preaching of New Albany, where I'm a member,

I was preaching for about three years through the attributes of God.

The application wasn't just a heady examination of attributes.

This is the God who is, and he is here, and he is, and he knows all, and, you know, this is the God with

whom we have to do, and before whom one day we will stand.

I pointed away from that

ministry the Lord brought me to

43 now, that would have been somewhere around 30, and I

say that, again, that I'd be

present in that

Memphis crowd back in 2000 when John

Piper preached his faith.

I remember being gripped by the reality of that, and thinking at the time, you know, this is the most punk

rock thing I've ever heard.

Because he is saying, look, don't fall for it.

They're trying to sell you this American dream of, you know, two cars, two TVs, and two Cadillac

cars for eternity, and

then went on with my life, you know.

I don't remember who said that good teaching to a

cord of wood, and then praying that one day the spark of

fire, and they

said,

well, that's

a good desire, but

you're happy that you've talked with us about it, and so we

recognize some abilities of teaching, perhaps, and so we would like you to

guide you, and for you to teach,

etc.

The organization is called the American Family.

Oh, yeah, I'm very familiar with it.

Yeah, so they're very kind,

work with you on your schedule, and that sort of thing, and so I have a background in, well, as I said earlier, my

background is in skateboarding, but I have a background in graphic design.

He said that if

the God who has a son named Jesus,

and to say that you even believe the Bible, but that what comes into your mind when you think of that God

can be so that we

can be worshiping an idol, or to

be those who turn to God for help, or to be those who

turn to God for help, or to be those who turn to God

for settling in a Bible study.

You know, we don't have anything to show a video Bible study on in my church.

You've probably got the wrong guy.

You know, we just read and pray and sing, you know, and he was not looking for the limelight,

in any way, and so

I went to work there.

And

so

after being

there for a

little while, I

went to

Albany for a

year.

Yeah, Paul Washer's pastor.

That's right, yeah, how'd you like that job, America?

Paul Washer's pastor.

I wonder if he does a lot of sweating when Paul is there in the pew staring at him when he's preaching.

Yeah, well, you know, if anybody's met Anthony, it's probably right the opposite, honestly.

Yes, he's a very humble guy, and I really enjoy interviewing him as well.

And I'm looking forward to seeing him again at the G3 conference that's coming up in January.

He's one of the many speakers.

That's a little past, sorry, that's a little past testimony, but that gets into how

quite unintentional.

And we do have something in common.

Back in the 70s and early 80s, I was very much

involved in the punk rock scene myself, although I never dressed like one.

It was kind of interesting.

I, even in those days, had long hair, did not have pins in my face or a

mohawk or any of the garb that you often see punk rockers wearing.

And today, I guess most people see them in films from back in the 70s and 80s.

But it may interest you to know, I don't know if you recall a punk rock band called the

Dictators.

Do you remember the Dictators?

I actually do, yeah.

My punk rock scene knowledge goes pretty deep.

The only reason I bring up the Dictators is that I don't know where he is now.

I hope that he's still following the Lord.

But the drummer for the Dictators, Richie Teeter, became a born -again Christian.

And I know that in the 1990s, he was a drummer at a Christian Missionary

Alliance congregation on Long Island.

So, and I've met quite a number, not necessarily professional

musicians in the punk rock world, but I've met quite a number of people who are very actively involved in punk rock

music who have become Christians.

It's interesting.

It really is.

Me too.

You know, I

have been very...

By uniform, that's probably the most anti -punk rock thing in the world.

The most punk rock thing you can do is think for yourself.

It's interesting how many former

punk rock fans that I have met and know have become

very, very conservative bastards.

Yeah, that's right.

Funny things happen when you start thinking for yourself.

Want to

be, act

like a

rock star.

99 % of...

And I'm sure that you are like me when we'll be sometimes watching television, and all of a sudden,

they're playing an old punk rock song from the 70s that the vast majority of people watching that

commercial would have no idea where that song is coming from, especially millennials.

You're like, wow, that's the Buzzcocks.

I can't believe they're playing an obscure band like that in a commercial.

Yeah, I know.

But also, we have a similarity in that I have a background in art.

I'm an art major, although after my graduation from college, I

did not really pursue actively that field and got immediately involved in advertising, which

led me to being in the radio industry, which led me eventually to be the host of my own show.

But I did at least...

I have one thing that I'm very happy about that I produced as an artist, and that is a cover for one

of James White's books, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries.

I designed and created the cover for his book, Dangerous Airwaves Harold

Camping Refuted and Christ Church Defended.

And I also came up with the title for that book as well.

So that's the one with the radio on it, right?

Yes.

And believe it or not, I took that artwork and I created a giant patch

for a jacket that I have on the back of one of my jackets.

And I gave as a gift the same jacket, of course, a different size, if anybody has ever seen me

standing next to James White.

I gave him a jacket with that same patch on it.

And he said to me, Wow, I really love it.

It's beautiful.

But thanks for making me a target for the police wherever I go if I'm wearing this.

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One quick question, since you are from Mississippi, do you know my friend Carrie Kimbrell?

Yeah, I actually do know Carrie.

I've known him for a long time.

Now, I wouldn't say that we get to see each other very often, but I met him, I

think he was given an address at a Constitution Party rally that I went to

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And we have some mutual...

I have a dear friend, a fellow who introduced me to Carrie regularly.

Yeah, I was at the Deep South Founders Conference last year in Laurel, Mississippi,

and found out that in all of Laurel, Mississippi, there is no taxi company.

No, that's for sure.

You can't Uber, and if you walk down the street, they'll look at you funny, too.

But I was shocked, I was absolutely shocked being a New Yorker, a

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York.

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We try to keep that quiet.

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afford to live here still and be a non -profit movie maker.

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especially up in

the oasis.

Well, when we come back from our first break, and by the way, folks, don't worry, I'm not going

to, I won't belabor any rabbit trails that have nothing to do with our subject.

I just wanted to have a real conversation with our guests for a little bit before we started our theme on the

Puritans and on this documentary, Puritan.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with about an

hour and 20 minutes to go is my guest that I've been waiting to interview for a while.

His name is Matthew Robinson, and he's the director of Media Gratte.

We are addressing the phenomenal new documentary that they have created, Puritan All of Life to the Glory of God.

If you have your own questions, submit them to chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

Chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

As always, give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and

only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter.

And we do have quite a number of people waiting to have their questions asked and answered.

But before I go to any of our listeners, Matthew, if you could tell us with all the

information available on the Puritans that we have access to,

what was the catalyst for you saying, I've really got to make a major documentary on the

Puritans and get it into the hands of people who not only love them, but those who have

really little knowledge of them other than perhaps some stereotypes?

Well, I think there are two ways of approaching that.

One is personally, I'm reading R

.H .P.

R .H .P. being Reformation Heritage Books.

You know, I happen to be in a church where not just the pastors, but the people in

the pew read the Puritans regularly.

We're not talking about a very church.

We're down here in Mississippi, and it's a great mix of blue bull, but these are people

who love the Lord Jesus.

And they've found that these old books, once you get used to the language that's being used, et cetera, are really

clear way.

And so that's been my experience reading them.

The immediate impetus is that Dr. Joel Beakey reached out and

asked if Media Gracia would be willing to partner with them in this great endeavor.

And you nailed it.

What we want to do is be an on -ramp for people who have not read the Puritans.

Either they've never considered it, or when they would consider it, they would think, well, that's probably either so

interesting to me in my circumstances that they just wouldn't

actually take that for great on

-ramp for anyone to be able to.

And these men knew Christ.

We have to be able to articulate the truth that has been

revealed.

Could you tell us who were the Puritans?

And I know that people, even people that I've interviewed who have knowledge of the

Puritans and have even written about them, there seems to be differences of opinion on who the Puritans were.

Some folks that are Puritan enthusiasts like to isolate

those who rightly should be given the title Puritan to those from Great

Britain.

For some reason, they don't include people here in the United States or should I say in America back then,

like Jonathan Edwards and so on.

But some folks have a much broader scope of people that they put under the umbrella of Puritans.

Some even include the 19th century Prince of Preachers, Charles Spurgeon in that category.

And so in your mind and in Dr. Beeky's mind when you set out

to create this documentary, who indeed in your opinion historically

were or slash are the Puritans?

Well, the way that we approach that in the project, because as you said,

it is

inside

of Anglicanism in the late 16th.

By the time you get to the Great Ejection and then certainly by the time

you get to the Act of Toleration, which happened in 1689, then

that movement strictly speaking is Senate.

That's one way to view who were

the Puritans in every generation.

Word of God is our sole authority and authority for directing

how we worship God.

And I can see areas where we need to take,

well, I think

century Lloyd -Jones and in our day you often hear,

what do people mean by that?

Well, they mean, here's a man who cares deeply for Christ.

And Dr. Beeky said something interesting when I heard one

of his messages during the documentary.

He was saying that it's really kind of fuzzy and

you cannot make a clear and definite and specific

pinpointed time when Puritanism begins and when it ends.

There seems to be more of a gray area on both ends of the spectrum of Puritanism.

Yeah, and you know, there are men who have studied this and they have their doctorates in this subject.

And here I am, you know, want to go

toe -to -toe with men who have different opinions.

I think that, you know, I like to give credence to the fact that

you can say that the Puritans began somewhere around this time and by the time

this time comes then the movement as a reform,

but then again, you know, in a broken

walking among.

We have Susan in Newville, Pennsylvania, who asks, the common stereotype of

Puritans is that they were cosmic killjoys, that they did not believe in having

fun, that they always dressed in drab, dark, depressing colors,

that they never touched wine or any alcoholic beverages, that didn't believe

in dancing in any occasion, not even a wedding.

What is the real story about the Puritans on those issues?

Well, if anything has a horrible depiction of the Puritans, it's a scarlet letter.

By the

fear that someone, some

think that that's

all together.

Let's say, an example that we could use,

that it works together for the good of

those who love God and are called according to his purpose,

as Leland Ryken says, and

lots

of

recreation

that was available to these,

only that they have not.

Now, I know that they didn't have punk rock mosh pits, but did they dance ever?

I don't know.

I never, I wasn't around back then, but they, I just.

You don't know of any notation of any wedding dances or anything like that?

Interview question.

Okay.

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Before we return to that discussion I just have a couple of announcements to make regarding upcoming events that I hope you

attend.

The first of which is going to be taking place Thursday and Friday December 19th and 20th in New

York City my old stomping grounds.

I am looking forward to once again attending the Foundations Conference which is a conference

hosted and orchestrated by sermonaudio .com.

And what better time of year to spend a time in New York City than the

Christmas season.

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And of course December 19th and 20th is considered a part of that season.

And they always have a phenomenal lineup of speakers some of

whom have even partaken or participated in I should say in the documentary that we're

talking about.

This year the Foundations Conference includes Dr.

Stephen J. Lawson founder of One Passion Ministries Paul Washer.

Reverend Jeff Thomas who I received one of my favorite commendations

from Reverend Thomas for the interviews that he has conducted on this program what a

precious brother in Christ he is.

And speaking of modern -day Puritans Reverend Armin Tomasian I know that he is probably

unknown to many of the listeners in our audience because he is a young man a

young pastor but he is absolutely extraordinary.

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Puritan.

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Uh this January the theme is on worship matters a very important topic in

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amazingly gifted brothers in Christ and some sisters too.

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We've got a lot of listeners waiting for their questions to be asked.

But I want to make sure a very important question is asked that we would

be greatly amiss not to ask All of Life to the Glory of God is the

subtitle of this documentary Matthew.

What exactly is meant by that in regard to the Puritans?

Sure well the

Puritan

is

to work out the five sola in every area

of having.

Now what does it look like to worship God in our churches?

What does it look like to live in our families and to work in our

to the glory of God?

And so that I think is the reason that we chose the name of.

I think that's an umbrella that could be put over the Puritan era.

You have a group of men and women who are trying to think through how do we live?

Now let me ask you a question before I go to a listener question.

Or should I say let me ask you another question before I go to a listener question.

I know brethren who I love I respect I even love much of their preaching and

teaching but there are some I think that take

the subtitle of your documentary all of life to the glory of God and

I think that they twist it in a way that gives them a salved

conscience to reject the relative principle the regulative principle of worship

that the Puritans championed.

And what I mean by that I have heard from.

And I don't want to trash these brethren because I love a lot of them so I want to make that clear.

But some of them will say all of life is worship when you

go golfing that is worship when you create a

painting if you're a gifted artist that's worship when you cook for your family

that's worship.

And they will go on and on.

And I understand that there is a lot of truth behind that but I would disagree

that you could actually categorize it in the same way as what is meant by worship in

the gathered corporate assembly of the body of Christ because then

obviously everything is fair game in a worship service in violation of what we've been discussing about the

regulative principle.

You might as well stretch a badminton net across the sanctuary and

let people play badminton while preaching is going on and somebody thinks that's ridiculous I'm sure that's going on somewhere.

But you don't do that in your church?

I appreciate the question.

And people use that to include dance in the

worship service and of course they'll allude to David dancing as a biblical text to

give them liberty to do so.

And we could go on and on with the additions to worship

services that those that love and adhere to the regulative principle of worship

would be very disgusted by for lack of a better term and that might even be putting

it mildly.

But anyway if you could respond to that.

So again God is the all

you can

take the times what love

is.

So if you don't have you may have a fine thing but you don't

have any other thing.

Nothing in the bible that forbids

doing interpretive dance.

Then they feel that that's fair.

National men we come.

We see examples.

Nate abbott and baihu

come

to that

we.

Excellent.

And by the way I have on occasion for funerals and weddings and so on been inside of

roman catholic church buildings.

And by the way folks for those of you who don't know I was raised roman catholic eight years in Walter Boy and so

on.

But I have been tempted when I pass by those areas that I used to

man as an altar boy lighting candles for people so that their prayers

would somehow be magnified to the saints that they were praying to.

Even as a little kid I scratched my head when they switched from candles to light bulbs

that you would press a button and a flame -shaped bulb would begin to flicker.

Even as a kid I started to wonder wow this doesn't really seem to be

very religious.

This is weird.

Of course neither is neither is lighting a candle going to access you give you greater access to this

to god.

But anyway I have often wanted to put a sign beneath those candles in

loving memory to nadebb and abai.

Yeah.

For those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with that story they were consumed by flames for offering

creative incense to god during worship that was not manhood.

Yeah.

Leviticus chapter 10

when you make it up as you go along.

Yeah and it's quite chilling because you know I don't know if they had any evil

intent or any kind of disrespect intended when they did that but it's interesting

also what happened when the the ark uh was toppling over and when a

hand was reached out to steady that ark the person was struck dead.

But we have some questions here that I've got to get to very

good ones.

Actually we have Mary in Cork, Ireland who has two

questions.

The first is how did the Puritans think they could hasten the day of

Christ's return?

I wasn't knowledgeable of that fact as being a universal belief

amongst the Puritans.

I don't know if Mary's correct on that but was that a commonly held view that they could themselves hasten the day of

Christ's return?

Well I think as we approach any question we're

a monolithic

opinion

and a difference of conviction.

When you get into the

it's not.

Okay yeah because you could correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a strong

post -millennial understanding of eschatology with the Puritans?

I know that Ian Murray who to the surprise of many post -millennialists Ian Murray himself is an

amillennialist by the way but he wrote a book called the Puritan Hope that post -millennialists just love

and devour and they assume that Ian is post -millennial also because of the fact that he

he gives this post -millennial understanding derived from the Puritans in that book.

But were they predominantly post -millennial or could you even fit

them in a category like that back in the day when they were dominant?

Well and enshrined

there and

while there were many who I'm

just must

be it you know the millennium has come and things are going to

get better.

And preached at a men's retreat

this last weekend in Manchester Tennessee at Encounter

Life back

there wow.

And we spent.

We spent a good bit of time there just talking about the Lord Jesus and he's a he's a post -mill guy and

I told him I hope for things to get better and better and I

again I was just I'll have to confess I'll have to take the.

I'm just a documentarian card

and men and

women that we interview

have the benefit of to

read.

Well here's another second question that Mary has.

I'm not familiar with these two historical figures either or I shouldn't say either.

Maybe you are.

You haven't heard the question yet but I am not familiar with them.

She asks what were the issues that caused the deaths of the

following two men in 1528.

Hub Meyer or Hube Meyer was burned at the stake by Roman Catholics and Felix

Mons or Mans was drowned by Protestants.

I think Mary should write a book.

She writes in some really brilliant questions.

I don't know I

know

the

day of my life.

We

come

back

and

try to

answer

some of Mary's questions.

Well that actually leads me to a question of my own

are we not in danger when it comes to any historic figure or figures or people groups

from Christian history when we give a

falsely universally pristine image of them and we do not

ever mention the warts and mistakes and sins that they participated in.

In fact Dr. Joel Beakey when he preached at one of the Banner of Truth conferences

where I was president present he actually had a message that you would not expect

from Joel Beakey.

His message was how not to imitate the Puritans in preaching.

So he was he was actually I don't know if that was the exact title but it was basically the theme of it was things

that you should not imitate about the Puritans when it comes to preaching.

Yeah I remember that address.

You know you're each and right.

Well something even more horrible that some of the Puritans were guilty of

was and you could correct me if I'm wrong did they not on occasion I'm not saying this was a

widespread thing that was universally done but did they not even execute their brothers and sisters in Christ

who were credo baptists believers in believer

baptism only and I'm thinking of particularly in Rhode Island and

so on or Massachusetts.

I mean I'm sorry not Rhode Island Massachusetts.

Well the killing was it was among

and I don't want to make that.

It's one that has been it couldn't have been.

Oak.

Well yes I think it was.

There goes any credibility for this quote.

Because I can't remember if it was John Owen said that

the.

So yes they were a

blind spot.

Can't see them try to deal with that in the film.

We don't want to be guilty of hagiography to say oh these men they were.

They were the best men the most cast like men they've ever lived.

If we're one of the reasons I think it's so good

not repeat those mistakes and so we deal with that issue.

One of the things that we hear about a lot and our day is the issue of

can we even listen to the Puritans if they were in participating in the African

trade was

not really

in the era at many of

you.

If you know Dr. Piper you know his up in Edwards and he speaks very

frankly about how he comes to deal with the fact that this man that

he knows not in who God is

how does how do you reconcile

that for

people to say that we're social

and on the other end to say that we're just a bunch of white nationalists.

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And we have a number of questions we'll try to get to as many as possible we

have.

Let's see here we have John in

Tucumcari, New Mexico.

And I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that city.

Tucumcari, Tucumcari.

But anyway John says.

What did you encounter or learn during the production of the Puritan documentary.

That was an unexpected blessing?

This is not the first time we travel.

In the Logic on Fire study

we get to go to these places and see.

Oh yeah.

Books, my other

we logged a lot of miles and it is encouraging to

remember that these are not led

into

time to

plead with them.

So we've

interviewed for the

other projects.

One of the men who we interviewed for the first

Dr. Beeky, who would you like us to talk to.

And what would you like us to talk to them about?

And that's something he said.

Well that's wonderful meaning between say now and you know next

year.

Had to figure out a way if Dr. Beez was on Tuesday I think you know or Monday in the

Mississippi and at that time Canada he's now down here with me in

Mississippi way you know if Dr. Packer tells

you to come see him on Thursday

how he'd been helped

proceeded

to

give

all

of

that.

That was just a.

Here's a J .I. Packer quote that I have very frequently given to people that I know who are getting

married and this is the quote from J .I. Packer.

The Puritan ethic of marriage was first to look not for a partner

whom you do love passionately at this moment but rather for one

whom you can love steadily as your best friend for life

then to proceed with God's help to do just that.

I love that quote by J .I. Packer.

We have let's see Murray in Kenross, Scotland and Murray says

with more limited means of communication were the works of the Puritans readily available and much used

amongst their peers just as much as they have been used since.

It would surely be a great encouragement to us to know that some of these works were actually highly beneficial to other

Puritans.

Yeah that's worthy of looking into.

I think it's significant to point out in the time of the

Reformation of previous

conversations there may have

been many who said oh but it

was undeniably the mean word used

in ideas not to

mention the

ability

to get

their

own

seeing reference in

John Calvin.

This last question is going to involve a quick answer.

This is from Linda in Hilltop Lakes, Texas.

Does the Pilgrim document or the Pilgrim the Puritan documentary speak of Puritan women like Anne

Bradstreet.

What was life like for Puritan women their happiness and family marriages and church life?

You know we do deal we have Michael Haken

on Puritan women Bradstreet so Michael Haken and Joel Beekie

both speak

and we do deal with

use that code.

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All of you who have participated in our program today.

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