Book of Revelation Explained (Part 1)

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Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

Delusional yeah delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly.

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Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.

Going to all the world make disciples. Not going to the world make buddies not to make brosives, right? Don't go in the world make homies.

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That's a joke master when we have the real message of truth.

We cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not. All right guys, welcome to apology a radio.

Psalm 22 y 'all 2227 all the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord and all the families of the nations Shall worship before you for kingship belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations.

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Think I was on my sabbatical. I just got back. How was it? I missed when it's very good. Thank you. I miss miss Chalmers Chavez.

Which.

And so I missed, you know, I missed the last show and I was watching it and noticed that that Isaac Publicly Bore false witness against me. Did he he slandered witness slandered me actual false witness.

Yes.

That's really wrong language. This is serious an actual charge happening right here live. And there's two witnesses because I was here for it. Yeah, and well, there's at least two witnesses.

Thousands of witnesses. So I wanted to make sure before we got started that Isaac and I were properly reconciled before the show started because I was hoping for repentance. Ah from Isaac for for the lies.

He said about the lies. He told everyone that I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. Dallas Cowboys fan.

This is a team that is the best team in the world that hasn't won for like 30 years. Yeah, exactly.

I will say this Jeff. Yeah, did also.

But then but I just saw fall of our lit or lit missers our lit missus lit missers. You know, I Isaac said hey said Luke, you know. Cowboys stuff to the PO box. I think you did that selfishly. Still loves cowboy stuff.

People could send it to you. If you said it to me, I'm burning it.

PO box 1 5 4 5 Chandler, Arizona 8 5 2 4 4 is where you can go to send all of the Cowboys.

So we sit down to record today and then he Put the camera that's usually on me. It's on himself now, right? So I was like, what is happening? He's just trying to push me out whooping.

Okay, one. Okay, the Dallas Cowboy thing. Yes. I thought it was funny. I figured people would be willing to send you the memory more than me. Oh, yeah. See I got you. Okay, I was hoping that maybe it was like a shirt or something.

Episode right and I go pick up the mail, right and you would just get the stuff.

I get this, but it was a good plan. Then that would be theft.

Hey, have you lied? Have you ever stolen anything irrespective of its value even Dallas memorabilia?

So you're a lying thieving camera though the camera. Okay, I don't care what the camera I did ask. No, I want to see you wanted on you, but also to. I didn't know if Luke was gonna be here on time.

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The Book of Revelation and the Question of Eschatology

Alright, so hey, we're gonna get right into it. You guys see the title of the show today book of Revelation explains Singular. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah now revelations revelations people say that in revelations one.

No, it's revelation. It's the revelation of Jesus Christ book of Revelation explains. I we we wanted to do this I'll tell you why a couple things added to like wanting this to take place number one. Did a recent podcast an episode with Ali Stuckey if you don't know her get to know her Ali Beth Stuckey.

She has a great channel great content solid believer who just puts out some great cultural engagement. She's had some of the best on. And just really appreciate her love everything. She's doing a lot.

So that show we talked about are we living in the end times? It was like a two-part episode and I thought you know. It's sort of a crash course answering some important questions. Ali's asking a lot of questions right now about end time stuff.

And so she had me on we talked about end time stuff and post-millennialism the victory of the kingdom of Messiah within history. But also I've been having a lot of conversations lately with Isaac if you don't know, we've known Isaac since 2008 I think 2009 2009 and Isaac has has been he's one of our best friends.

We love him. He's also a phenomenal teacher a phenomenal teacher. And he leads icon student ministries at Apologia Church and does a lot of the stuff in the background. Isaac's a big part of everything that happens here.

But if you haven't had the benefit yet of hearing Isaac teach. Then you are today. So Isaac's been talking to me a lot lately about your notes ready about Overarching themes. So what we're gonna do today is this if you're blank.

Yeah, if you're into the end times discussion We want to do two episodes. We're gonna do one today right now. You're watching. We're gonna do one next week on Thursday we'll drop it then and we're gonna talk about I guess two different aspects of eschatology and really sort of explaining What the scriptures teach about the Messiah's kingdom and then this is why I wanted Isaac to be on overarching themes.

That run throughout the Bible that it's really like it's like what the story is about so like it's not just Potshot verses of like, you know, this is that you know, sort of like someone has a thing they believe and they say well Here's a proof text.

So it's like well You always have to give a proof a text to prove what you're saying. Yeah, but proof texting can be very very dangerous. It can be no cherry-picking. No cherry-picking. Cherry-picking is a good word for that.

Very good. So cherry-picking is dangerous because you don't have like context. What's the author's intention? Who's the audience? What's the context? What's before what's below? What's the meaning of the word that kind of stuff?

And then what's it how is it coinciding with other parts of God's revelation? So, of course, you've got to give the the the verse dump like here's the verses like examine those. But there's something else and I told Isaac this I said I am convinced of post-millennialism Read the victory of the Messiah's kingdom within history before the resurrection.

I'm convinced of it because of the mass of the texts from the Old and New Testament that I believe are unavoidable. Irrefutable in terms of like this is what the kingdom is supposed to do in the world within history.

But I'll tell you what you're gonna hear today from Isaac. Truly from the bottom of my heart is I think the more convincing Biblical argumentation, but I like to start with the the text dump, right? Like here's the text examine those you've got nature.

You've got timing. You've got purpose and scope and goal. It's all there in the text. But what Isaac's gonna talk about are more thematic.

Issues.

That I think are beautiful. They tell a beautiful story about eschatology and if you're watching this right now, you're thinking what's eschatology? It just has to do with the view of the ends, right?

All Christians have a view of history that is going somewhere. It's linear. So even when we have disagreements with each other over Nature of the kingdom timing of the kingdom like what's gonna happen?

We're all in agreement with like this here this final point. There's like there's a goal that God is getting history to where there's gonna be ultimate victory. Now we would argue that victory takes place within the scope of Earth's history and then Jesus comes and defeats death.

But we're all in agreement. Jesus is returning and that we're there's gonna be a physical resurrection all of that. We're in agreement, but history is going somewhere. It's not like the pagan view of history pagan views of history that that are cyclical.

Right. It's it's a cyclical view of history pagan pagan religions are all consistent with that. Essentially, there's a cyclical view of history right just running in cycles. And then you've got the materialist perspective of history.

And that would be sort of the atheistic perspective of history. All of us come from ultimately bacteria, you know from nothing. Something came and then you've got sort of this unguided chaos. That's just moving I mean literally it's just moving through space human beings are just one other aspect of evolutionary processes.

That didn't have them in mind. And so the materialist perspective doesn't have a line of history. There's no meaning right? There's no telos. There's no goal. All it is is literally Chaos, it's just chaos with no meaning all Christian eschatology is Linear.

Yep. It's a line with a telos with a goal, right? You were gonna say something you yeah.

I I find this helpful. I heard it some time ago. Because when we think about eschatology a lot of times we do narrow it down just to the end times. Right, which eschatology does speak of end times. That's what it means.

Well the study word itself the study of end things. Think of those end things as ultimate things. So I think when you when you think of eschatology It's the study of ultimate things. And yes, the end is heavily involved in that as far as where things are headed.

But even Christ in his first Advent and that work was eschatological because he's bringing in In essence the last days he's bringing in a new age. But even that is eschatological even though Christ's first Advent isn't his second Advent.

It's still eschatological because It's bringing about ultimate things, right?

And just one thing I want to address something and just sort of challenge Our friends and brothers and sisters and viewers and listeners right now there's a man in the comments Jason H in the comments and it just goes to show that the problem of proper Christian interaction right and also false witness.

So I'll give you an example of being ignorant about a perspective and then bearing false witness about that perspective. So Jason H says about MacArthur's perspective, which we love MacArthur. MacArthur's perspective.

Someone says MacArthur's eschatology is the worst. Jason says MacArthur's is the Bible. Oh, that's dangerous.

So it says.

Jason says this is pretty much dominionism might as well go LO and someone says lol. And so Jason says might as well go to Bethel. That's that's false. That's false witness. So I just want to say in terms of I mean I'll grant that this is probably just pure ignorance on your parts and I mean that as respectfully as possible.

But I can't say it in another way. That's meaningful pure ignorance on your part. Or it's just it's one of two things pure ignorance or you know, and you're being deceptive to sort of firm up your commitment.

So which one are you ignorant or deceptive? I'm not sure. I don't know you but I'll address the ignorance aspect. It's dominionism. Well, if if you're referring to what Scripture says about Jesus in Psalm 72 that he shall have dominion from sea to sea from the river to the ends of the earth then okay that kind of dominion the dominion of the Messiah himself and brings his salvation to the ends of the earth the Dominion of the second Adam the perfect Adam who when God was caught God called Adam to take dominion over the earth and he sins.

And the curse comes and he fails and then Jesus comes as the perfect Adam to spread his dominion and rule over the entire earth. Sure, I'll take that dominion ism. But when you compare it to Bethel and things like the NAR it shows again ignorance or deception.

Which are you because historic post-millennial ism. I mean was Athanasius Contramundum Athanasius the the patron saint of post-millennial ism the one who protected the church from Arianism and Trinitarianism was preserved and heralded because of Athanasius.

He's one of the Giants of the Christian faith. Was he like Bethel because our perspective is consistent with his perspective or how about the Puritans? Were the Puritans like Bethel Church or the NAR?

Do you really think that'll work? Historically that what we're saying with historic post-millennial ism and the victorious view of the Messiah's kingdom in history is. You really think it's like the NAR you really think it's like the dominion ism of like Bethel and other Shady churches or straight-out heretic and false churches.

Is it really the same or are you ignorant or deceptive? I'm wondering and I would encourage you to firm up your commitments to more accuracy in your dealing with brothers and sisters in Christ because you know, I don't think Jonathan Edwards was like Bethel Church and Jonathan Edwards was post-millennial.

So what do you think? Are you ignorant or deceptive? I'll leave it to you to figure it out.

I think this would be a good before we get in the revelation. It's a good point to just kind of maybe clarify the two perspectives because there is a lot of confusion. We do get accused a lot of Holding to the NAR which is new apostolic Reformation or the seven mountain mandate.

So essentially what they would say is that there's seven mountains like politics Like Hollywood like stuff like that. There's seven mountains that they have to essentially take dominion over and then that will usher in Christ's Kingdom.

And so that's absolutely not what we believe we would say obviously we're already in Christ's Kingdom which we're gonna get into and that we Take dominion over those things from the bottom up through the proclamation of the gospel not top-down, right?

Right, and I would point out and this is just this is a this is a loving very humble gracious nudge. To to brother Jason and anyone who might share his perspective it might surprise you to know that post-millennial ism was the dominant eschatology of early America and so You can thank the post-millennial worldview for much of the benefits and blessing you see around you today that of course I agree.

Are hanging on by a very little thread at the moment.

But.

Post-millennialism was the popular eschatology. The Puritans were post-millennial. And so I don't think we can compare the Puritan Church to Bethel. I think those are very very far apart.

They did not think the Holy Spirit was a blue genie. I can tell you that much personally.

I wouldn't really put the Puritans in line with Bethel myself, but that was their perspective on history. Let's get into more.

And.

Let's just jump right into the discussion. So I mentioned at the beginning that there's two there's two ways to look at this. One is that the the text dump the information dump from Scripture? Like where do you go?

What's it say? What what were they anticipating? What did Jesus teach? And then I think the thematic stuff is just glorious. It really really is beautiful. So let's just start so you start in the very beginning of the Bible and I'll at least touch on this for a second in Genesis chapters 1 through 3 you have the creation of the world literal creation of the world literal creation of Our first parents Adam and Eve in the image of God.

He created them right and then Adam and Eve. They they essentially sin against God. God says do this don't do this the day you do you'll die and they sin. What happens then is the curse enters the fall enters into the human race?

But the glorious thing is that the first thing that God tells them is that he is going to do something. He's gonna have the the seed of the woman, which is very very unique the seed of the woman. Crush the head of the serpent, right?

So there's a death blow that's gonna be delivered to the one who Assisted him bringing death into this world and yet this death blow is gonna be wounding the seed of the woman. So there'll be a wound but a heel wound is a temporary wound you recover from a mortal blow is a blow to the head.

Which is what the serpents gonna get then God covers Adam and Eve in the skins of the animal. Obviously, there's a sacrifice that happens. It's pointing towards Jesus. They have no concept of what all this is really gonna mean.

But what do you know from there? You know Adam is supposed to be the image of God. The light of God into the world and he's he's told to be fruitful multiply to subdue the earth to take dominion over the earth.

Adam fails and he sins against God now. That's very important because when Jesus comes and is described as the second Adam He's described as what Adam was supposed to be. You've got to think about those themes.

We're gonna get to that a little bit later. But as you move forward through the text, what do we have? We all agree on you've got a covenant made with Abraham. And what is Abraham told this is key. It's very very important.

It's something we need to keep in mind in this whole discussion about eschatology and the kingdom of the Messiah. Abraham is told you're gonna have descendants as numerous as the stars now brothers and sisters.

That's a lot of stars your descendants are gonna be in like the sand on the seashore. Brothers and sisters. That's a lot. That's a lot and we got to consider that in terms of how we view history in terms of like many Christians feel like.

The Christian Church and Christians are gonna be the great minority in Christian in Earth's history. I would say God describing the descendants through Messiah as as numerous as the stars. That's a heck of a lot of stars.

That's a lot of sand. But then okay, so that's first book Genesis then goes to Genesis 49 10. It's a famous one and I always illustrate this one guys I know I maybe I get heavy on this one and I think I'm right for doing it because I'm heavy on it because Paul.

Was.

Genesis 49 10 it talks about Shiloh who's coming and it says to him this one who's coming and we're all in agreement. That's Messiah. When Messiah comes it says to him shall be the obedience of the nations to him Shall be the obedience of the nations.

That's Genesis. What's interesting about that and go check this later in Romans 1 and Romans 16 Paul book ends. It's like his first thoughts and his departing thoughts of His systematic explanation of the gospel.

I mean, where would we be without Romans, right? I mean, it's just so glorious and Romans 1 and 16 opening thoughts departing thoughts. He says that the purpose is to bring about the obedience of faith or the obedience that comes from faith Among all the nations for his namesake.

So think about that Paul The expert evangelist the one who tells us in 1st Corinthians 15 the timeline of history he bookends to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations to bring about the obedience of faith for The sake of his name among all the nations.

That's Genesis 49 10 Shiloh's coming into him. What the obedience of the nations now as you move, of course, we can't depart this conversation you guys jump in at any time. I can't depart that conversation without pointing out that in Matthew 28 18 through 20 Jesus departing words are all authority in heaven and on earth has been past tense has been past tense given to me.

We're not waiting for. We're not it's already been given to him where heaven and here and here even though it doesn't appear. So those are the words of the of the Lord of glory. That's what he said. It's all mine now and he says go and make disciples of all the nations.

And he says baptizing them teaching them to what obey so wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Shiloh was coming and to him shall be the obedience of the nations. So then when Jesus comes as he's departing, he says go get the nations and teach them to Obey observe all that I can't manage you.

Isn't that amazing? It's just that consistent theme. That's where we're going. But of course you you continue on. I started the episode reading a popular verse that maybe you didn't notice because when I when it Was first pointed out to me.

I was like no way I've literally taught on that passage I don't know how many times and I never even paid attention to that in Psalm 22. That's the passion Psalm. It's the one where it says My god my god Why have you forsaken me which I think is glorious by the way because when Jesus said that on the cross.

These are Jewish people remember in front of the cross. Even the ones who were antagonizing him and who were betraying him and these are people who were singing the Psalms in church. This is their songbook.

So they had they had had these songs on their lips in Synagogue their whole lives and here you have the Messiah on the cross saying my god my god. Why have you forsaken me? They should have Started singing the rest of the song with him because that's how Psalm 22 starts and in Psalm 22 It's the description of what was happening on the cross.

They pierced his hands and his feet. His heart was like wax melted within him. He was pierced through. It says that he was surrounded by dogs and it says they they cast lots for his clothing and then in the same Psalm when the death of the Messiah the passion of the Messiah is there it ends with a Promise of the resurrection because it says I'll read it here 22 of the same thing.

I will tell of your name to my brothers in the midst of the congregation will praise you. So we've got he dies and then he tells your name to my brothers in the midst of the congregation. I thought he was dead because it says you late you lay me in the dust of death and then he tells them The name of God to his brothers and then it says all the ends of the earth.

Shall remember and turn to the Lord and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. Well, what's the theme? The obedience of the nations. Jesus says go get the nation's disciple them. Psalm 22 says all the families will return to worship the Lord.

Descendants as numerous as the stars like the sand on the seashore. But you also have Psalm 2 ask of me I'll give you the nations for your inheritance the very ends of the earth for your possession. Do you think Jesus forgot to ask because the Father says to Jesus ask me I'll give the nations to you for your inheritance.

The ends of the earth, right? That's that's what God promised Jesus the Father promised Jesus and then God warns the kings of the earth to obey Jesus or they'll perish. Now question. Do you believe that passage that Psalm?

Of course you do. You're a believer. That's the Word of God so it says the kings of the earth are told to obey Jesus or they'll die if. Do you think that's future like in some in like the eternal state?

Who's dying in the eternal state for not obeying Jesus, right? Do you get it? This is within Earth's history. The nations are yours. I give them to you and now kings of the earth obey my son or you'll perish by the way I'd say that has a lot to do with what's happening in America today.

Perishing nation is a nation that doesn't obey the King King Jesus. Okay, so I'll go a little faster here I know I'm giving the blitz go ahead real quick.

If this is the first time you're hearing this just understand that this isn't anything new. You mentioned the Psalms. I have a Quote here from Spurgeon and as you were.

Saying that have you heard of him. Spurgeon Spurgeon?

Have you heard of that guy? What. Which is he currently alive today or so? No, that's not white.

Every reformed guy was like, huh?

Why'd imagine that the guy who gave the comment earlier probably knows about Spurgeon. But this is what Spurgeon said concerning the Psalms. He said David was not a believer. And the theory that the world would grow worse and worse and that the dispensations will wind up with general darkness and idolatry.

He says Earth's Sun is to go down tenfold night if some of our prophetic brethren are to be believed. He said not so do we expect. We look for a day when the dwellers and all the lands shall learn righteousness shall trust in the Savior shall worship the alone O God and Shall glorify they name.

The modern notion has greatly damped the zeal of the church for missions and the sooner it is shown to be Unscriptural the better for the cause of God. It neither consorts with prophecy honors God nor inspires a church to adore.

Beautiful yeah, beautifully done. I mean it's littered throughout all the Psalms. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You can't read the song the Psalms.

Are.

The church's War songs. Yeah, right. It's it's our victory Psalms many many ways. There's obviously sadness. There's also depression and loneliness and despair. But it's always but God you like even if I'm abandoned by my mother and father God you won't leave me.

It's all so there's a lot of hurt there a lot of pain. It's for us to heal to grow to know God to glorify God. But you can't read the Psalms without the victory of the Messiah. You just can't you cannot.

I'll give you an example another one. I already said it to you, but I'll just give it to you for your reference. Psalm 72 Verse 8 it says may he have dominion from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth.

Made desert tribes bow Down before him and his enemies lick the dust. May all kings fall down before him all nations serve him. Why were the Jews? Expecting a Messiah who would win the entire world and rule the world because they were singing about it all the time.

Psalm 110 1 it's the most popular verse in the New Testament. From the Old Testament. So in other words God's favorite Bible verse apparently pulled over from the Old Testament into the new. You know it Psalm 110 1 because you see it all the time in our New Testament.

It says that the Lord said unto my Lord Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet now. Paul the inspired Apostle when he explains the timeline of earth's history. He gives the gospel 1st Corinthians 15 and then he says about Jesus.

He's reigning now, by the way. If he's seated, please hear me on this because this was one of the things that really jolted me out of my dispensational premillennialism. No offense to my brothers and sisters here who were listening who were dispensational premillennialism.

I'm just giving you my truth. I'm just giving you my story. That was one of the things if we think we're waiting for Jesus to take the Davidic throne the messianic throne. Paul didn't hold that perspective.

He said that he's seated now. Yeah at the right hand of the Father out. He's on David's throne and it says that he must reign. Jesus is reigning now according to Paul first century. Until and then he quotes Psalm 110 1 all of his enemies are made a footstool for his feet.

And then Paul says as a timeline He's reigning now all enemies have to be made a footstool for his feet and then it says and then the last enemy is death. So we've got every enemy defeated and then Death is defeated the resurrection of the just and the unjust.

What's interesting there is it doesn't say in 1st Corinthians 15 that then Jesus brings the kingdom. Mm-hmm. It says that he delivers the kingdom over to the father like look look what I did. It's done.

Okay, so some more just to give you guys the verse dump. I want to get right to Isaac because I think it's so beautiful, but I want you to have these as a reference. Isaiah you could do so much goodness.

I say it to Isaiah to go look at it's very very important. Isaiah 2 says that the mountain of the house of the Lord should be established as the highest of the mountains very very beautiful. Symbolic language you got to read the Old Testament to hear it to learn about the mountain of the Lord and what that means.