May 29, 2017 Show with Christopher Wiley on “Man of the House: A Handbook for Building a Shelter That Will Last in a World That is Falling Apart”

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Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this beautiful Memorial Day, May 29th, 2017.

And I'm so delighted to have back on the program, a guest that I haven't had on the new Iron Sharpens Iron Radio as of yet, but he had been a guest on several occasions on the old Iron Sharpens Iron broadcasting out of Long Island, New York on WNYG and WGBB radio.

I am speaking of Pastor Christopher Wiley, also known as C .R. Wiley. He is an ordained Nazarene pastor and urban missionary for 20 years, a former adjunct professor of philosophy at Eastern Nazarene College in Quincy, Massachusetts, but he embraced the Reformed faith and he is a senior contributing writer at TheImaginativeConservative .org and he's a writer and blogger at Pathios and MortimusClay .com.

He currently serves as the senior pastor of the Presbyterian Church of Manchester, Connecticut, which is a congregation in the PCA denomination, also known as the Presbyterian Church of America, and he is the author of a book we are going to be discussing today, Man of the House, a handbook for building a shelter that will last in a world that is falling apart.

Quite a mouthful, that title, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron after a long absence,.

Pastor Christopher Wiley. Well, thanks, Chris. I'm really glad to be here.

I'm glad to have you here and in studio with me is my co-host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, once again, good to be here. Hey, Buzz.

And before we go into the subject, I think that we have to at least give a summary of your journey from Arminian theology when you were in the Church of the Nazarene, and this is not meant to be a slam against my brethren and friends in the Church of the Nazarene or the Wesleyan denomination or Arminians in general.

It's just a matter of fact that our guest went through a transformation, and since I happen to be personally a Reformed Baptist who is a Calvinist, and I think that this was a progression in his theology.

So I'd like you, we had Pastor Chris years ago on Iron Sharpens Iron give a full one-hour version of his testimony, but perhaps you could just give us a summary starting with the theology or religion that you were raised in, if any, and how that progressed from that to becoming a Nazarene pastor and then actually.

Coming to the doctrines of sovereign grace. But it was a different kind of crazy. Yeah, so he, yes, and I ended up, yes, and my co-host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor, has something in common.

With you in that he began, at least in his, after his rebirth, he began an independent fundamentalist circles, fundamentalist Baptist circles, although not identical to a Nazarene experience. He was certainly Arminian, although never using that term, I'm sure.

Right, I never thought of myself as an Arminian. And perhaps not as full-blown an Arminian as you were, because I'm assuming you were a five-point Arminian when you were a Nazarene, were you not? Yeah, I was.

And can you believe in eternal security or perseverance of the saints as.

A Nazarene? And Reverend Buzz Taylor eventually became a Presbyterian and...

Well, now Chris, there's a little part of that story you didn't even know, and that was right after I was a Baptist pastor. I was being considered for some Nazarene churches in my area as where I was going to go from there.

Really? Wow. It just didn't work out.

Well, you believed in eternal security, at least back then, right? Oh, yes, yes. Okay. And let me announce our email address. It's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

For any listeners who would care to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Chris Wiley, either involving his own transformation from Arminian to Reformed, or even involving the book that we are going to obviously get more involved in upcoming very shortly.

But before we even go into the book that you've written, I'd like to tell.

Our listeners something about the Presbyterian Church of Manchester, Connecticut. And you.

Describe yourself on your website as an old-fashioned Presbyterian church. What do you.

Mean by that specifically? That can mean different things to different people. Well, I think that...

Well, praise God for that. I find that refreshing, and I'm not meaning by my response that I disdain those who have a different approach to the worship style and music and so on, but it is refreshing to hear in this day and age.

And in fact, I'll very quickly give you a story that surprised me recently. Some of our listeners have heard this before, but the daughter of the woman who led me to Christ contacted me recently, and although she actually admits that she does not believe that she is born again, she does not believe she is saved yet, it's obvious God is drawing this young lady who's a married mom now.

And she called me, or actually emailed me, and asked me to help her find a church near where she lives in Orlando. And her husband, who's not a believer of any kind, maybe perhaps even an agnostic, but he doesn't really want to travel any more than 15 minutes from where they live.

So I started calling different Reformed churches I was aware of in Orlando, and I got a recommendation of a church. She and her husband and baby Mickey went to the worship service, and she contacted her mom, and she said, Mom, I hope Chris Arnzen's feelings aren't hurt, but the church he recommended to us, even though they may have very sound teaching there, I don't feel comfortable there.

They're using modern music that almost feels like I'm being entertained, and everybody's very casual, and I don't get the sense that people are taking the worship of God seriously, and I really would prefer to find a church that is more traditional.

So that actually blew me away for a woman who's about 28, and not even really regenerate, even to her own admission, making that kind of a request.

Isn't that pretty remarkable? Yeah, that is.

And one of the things that I was pleased to hear is that you are having a conference. Although all the details are not yet worked out, you're having a conference, or at least you're having a speaking engagement featuring Dr. T. David Gordon, who is one of my favorite Christian authors.

And in fact, a couple of my favorite interviews from the Old Iron Sharpens Iron program were with Dr. T. David Gordon, who wrote the book, Why Johnny Can't Preach, and also Why Johnny Can't Sing Hymns, among others.

Quite controversial and provocative books, and the interviews were equally as controversial and provocative and enjoyable.

For me. But tell us anything you can about that, that event that you're having. Amen.

And for anybody who would like to attend that conference or visit the Presbyterian Church of Manchester, whether you live there or whether you're going to be visiting there from out of town, the website is manchesterpca .org.

That's manchesterpca, for presbyterianchurchinamerica .org. And we'll be repeating that information a little bit later on and throughout the program. And.

Tell us something about the imaginative conservative. And now tell us something about.

Patheos, where you write and blog, and also mortimusclay .com, which is perhaps the most.

Interesting of everything that I've mentioned. And mortimusclay, of course, that needs the most explanation. Right. Well, that's a pen cross. Yes. Wasn't that Douglas Wilson's publishing company? Yeah, that's right.

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The Book, the End of the World, and the Shape of Christian Hope

Welcome back, this is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. If you just tuned in, our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Pastor Christopher Wiley of the Presbyterian Church of Manchester, Connecticut.

We are discussing his book, Man of the House, a handbook for building a shelter that will last in a world that is falling apart. If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, and please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

I'm going to read a description of this book that we are discussing that is provided by the imaginative conservative. What is your plan for the end of the world as we know it? How will you protect the people you love?

What will you leave to them when you are gone? The good news is this is not the first time the world has ended. What's more, men were made for times like these, and the men of the past, the good ones anyway, have left us a plan to follow.

They built houses to last, houses that could weather a storm. This book contains their plan. Quite a provocative description that makes you wonder what the book is really about because one at a cursory glance at the cover might automatically think this is another book on biblical husbanding or parenting, and it may involve those things, but this seems to have eschatological elements to it.

Are you there, Chris? Yeah, yeah, I'm happy to respond to that, sure.

Why don't you share with us some of the good guys from the past that you actually allude to in the.

Book? We have RJ from White Plains, New York, who has a question for you. He says, I was wondering.

If your guest would be willing to admit what his eschatological position is. Specifically, I know that some people have a very pessimistic understanding of the end times, so much so that they believe that people should not really waste their time trying to transform the culture around them.

Others, perhaps on the other extreme, are overly optimistic and have their efforts to transform the culture, eclipsing the gospel message to those around them. If you could have.

Your guest respond to those comments and questions. Yeah, I would say that. Well,.

Thank you very much, RJ, and guess what? You have won a free copy of Man of the House, a handbook for building a shelter that will last in a world that is falling apart by our guest, Pastor Christopher Wiley, also known as C .R. Wiley, and please make sure you give us your full mailing address so our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service can ship that off to you.

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We have C .J. in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks, a part of those who would be.

The overly pessimistic group that would not only include Christians but even unbelievers are those that are building bomb shelters in their home and stockpiling their homes and basements with food to last through a World War III.

Is this kind of behavior commendable for a Christian,.

Or do you have any warnings about it? Well guess what, C .J. in Lindenhurst, Long Island, you've.

Also won a free copy of Man of the House, a handbook for building a shelter that will last in a world that is falling apart. And perhaps if you could, I mean this may seem like an obvious question here, or an obvious real thing that's going on in our world, but what do you specifically mean by a world that is falling apart?

If you could give us some examples of why you believe.

This world is falling apart. Well, now my co-host Reverend Buzz Taylor is post-millennial, and.

I'm sure you would agree, Buzz, that post-millennialists, at least those that are biblically sound, don't believe that progression and improvement and things that are developing on the earth that are wonderful and evidence of the gospel spreading and souls coming to Christ in mass, those aren't things that are in a typical post-millennial paradigm, something that is a straight upward arrow that doesn't have any turns and twists.

In fact, don't you believe that there could be a century of horrific future? Well, I believe we are in one, for sure. I believe if.

You were to graph it out, it would look like, you know, maybe a business that had good and bad years, but ultimately, or maybe like the stock market, you know, you invest after a while and it looks pretty good over the long haul, but you might have had some bad times, and I think we are definitely.

In the midst of one of those right now. Yeah, I think, Buzz, that you and I would agree. Great, yeah. Well, I think one of the most post-millennial books ever written.

Wasn't intended to be a post-millennial book, and that was written by D. James Kennedy, What If Jesus Had Never Been Born, where he shows the impact that Christianity has already had on the world in the last 2 ,000 years, and you know, like I said, I don't know what actually his position was, but I believe that progress is going to continue.

Well, I certainly agree with.

You that it's a much worse world. And we have a listener, a first-time questioner. I don't know.

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And please, I must repeat this, never ever siphon money out of the regular giving to your local church if you want to give to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. And if you are struggling to make ends meet as a family, please do not siphon money off of your own dinner table.

This request is only for those who are blessed above and beyond their ability to comfortably provide for their church as they always have and provide for their home. So I hope to hear from many of you soon.

And we are back now to our interview, the second half of our interview with Pastor Christopher Wiley of the Presbyterian Church of Manchester, Connecticut. We are discussing his book, Man of the House, a handbook for building a shelter that will last in a world that is falling apart.