October 23, 2017 Show with Tom Ascol on “Letting Truth Offend Without Adding Our Own Offensiveness”

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 23rd day of October 2017. I'm so delighted to have back on the program a dear friend who is one of my favorite guests also a Phenomenal preacher that I am eagerly looking forward to hear preach again This January at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia, and we'll be talking more about that in a bit.

But I am referring to dr Tom Askell who is executive director of founders ministries and Senior pastor at Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida today. We are going to be addressing the theme Letting truth offend without adding our own Offensiveness, and that's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. Tom Askell.

Thank you so much Chris. I'm glad to be back with you.

And in studio with me is my co-host the reverend buzz Taylor and it's once again good to be on with you Tom. And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Well, we will respect your wishes and not identify your name. But please otherwise just give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA before we go into this a Very important topic a topic that I have addressed on a number of occasions on iron trip and Zion radio.

But I think it's always good to hear something as important as this again and perhaps from a different person from a different point of view different perspective. But before we go into letting truth offend without adding our own offensiveness.

Tell our listeners if you could especially For the sake of those who have not yet heard you on iron trip and Zion radio because it seems we get new listeners every week. Tell us something about founders ministries.

Well now also tell us about Greece Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida.

People who I came church, nobody wanted. I was a pastor nobody wanted.

You know, I was laughing over your last comment so you were a match made in heaven.

Trying to be faithful preaching the gospel and amen.

We'll be giving contact information for your congregation and for founders ministries towards the end of the program but this Discussion that we're having. I Think that we all need to be reminded about this issue of letting the truth offend without adding our own offensiveness.

We have to be reminded about it because it seems that Christians fall into one of two extremes very often you have one extreme where you have Bullheaded Unpolite or impolite Rarely aggressive individuals who?

Have a certain agenda in regard to theology or practice in regard to their Christian faith and they they push it down people's throats with a lack of humility and grace and with a lot of Perhaps a divisive Agenda or mentality.

And then you have on the other extreme something that perhaps is more dominant today I think it's the more dominant problem when within mainstream evangelicalism is That you have people who are far more concerned over offending others than they are over offending God and They're far more concerned over offending of people human beings than they are over violating the scriptures or preserving the truth of the scriptures and You know, we and in fact even individuals may be on both sides of those extremes at different times depending upon what the subject is or Dependent depending upon who they're talking to they might treat their own family in a different way than they are treating their neighbors or or what have you but Tell us why?

You as a Southern Baptist, especially where today even though this was not the case a hundred years ago when Calvinists seemed to dominate the Southern Baptist Convention. In fact the as you have already addressed on the program the the entirety of the Southern Baptist Convention was founded by Those who are committed to the doctrines of Sovereign Grace but today you are those who believe in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace are a minority in that denomination and you know in the midst of being vilified yourself and Being slandered in regard to theological matters and doctrine and so on.

It's it's I'm sure a difficult task to maintain that balance of Standing up for truth without being nasty mean-spirited Vindictive etc. If you could tell us about your own experience as a Southern Baptist pastor.

And I've been on both sides of that I said experience hard-hearted. You can deny altering thought. The mysteries of this Bible have to believe that to go to anyone. Especially to my brothers and sisters now.

The the the passiveness with which people Basically very often will hide their their beliefs they will Let conversations come and go and Never even bring up unique things that may divide them from other Believers.

And and also I mean even worse than that is when people Don't even share the gospel with with anyone because they're more concerned either about offending those around them or perhaps even more concerned about themselves becoming a laughingstock or somehow perhaps Losing some benefit in this life.

Perhaps you might even lose your job As a result of your beliefs. Now, I'm not saying that of course We who are Christians should be stealing time from our employees employers, I'm sorry by Using our the hours that we are hired to work to evangelize.

I'm not talking about that, but sometimes people Might be just so offended because you are not in lockstep with the leftism of our day and age you may Be and you should be as a Christian opposed to abortion and and Opposed to homosexuality and things like that and your employers just may be infuriated and He may may either not treat you with the Respect that an employee should be treated with but he might even fire you.

But when it comes to these things We in our day and age at least in America we are living in a rather comfortable existence we are not as some of our brothers and Sisters are in the Sudan and other parts of the world who are being tortured and murdered for their faith.

We can be cowards over such.

Infinitely less serious issues can't we. I do think it comes right back for anybody to not Opportunity and we have a listener in.

White Plains, New York. RJ and our RJ wants to know is it true as many Armenians in ministry claim that Calvinists too often are dishonest when they are applying for positions in pastoral oversight at other congregations.

They are doing so in stealth and hiding their Calvinism only to spring it upon the congregations later. Do you agree with this kind of behavior and what should be done about it?

First of all, let me say that I do not agree with that kind of behavior. Done that so every time you have a conversation You turn to Calvinism and then on the other hand where so you're being dishonest.

Here's the reality with many churches. It's getting better. Do not have theological understanding to have up and about and no way to engage that conversations with people. It's almost like they wanted to talk about was Calvinism on the other hand.

They don't bring it up. The committee doesn't bring it up. And though I'm not surprised if it doesn't come up and it's not a big issue That a guy doesn't bring it up.

And of course Intentionally hiding What you believe could be A suicide mission as far as your pastoral career because you may wind up voluntarily jumping into a snake pit for lack of a better term and you're just going to be attacked every way you turn and it could be more of a problem for you and your life and the life of your family as a minister than then Being more patient for the correct or the the appropriate the appropriate Church who has a theological match for you to come about.

We have a question from David and Ada, Ohio.

I have been studying 2nd Peter chapter 2 12 but these like irrational animals Creatures of instinct born to be caught and destroyed. Blaspheming about matters on which they are ignorant will also be destroyed in their in their destruction.

Concerning the blasphemer. How would you deal with them? 2nd Peter chapter 2 12.

To 12. And could you just repeat the last part of the question?

Concerning the blasphemer. How would you deal with them?

Right. And we have a similar question, I believe.

From CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York. CJ says when we are in the presence of unbelievers in social settings perhaps family gatherings are we as Christians to constantly correct or Even lovingly rebuke those around us when they use the name of the Lord in vain.

When they say things that are blasphemous when they say things that are crude, perhaps even sexually. How often are we supposed to sit around and correct people when they are not even regenerate and we are not their pastors.

That's a good issue, too. On those we need to try to get extra largely has to find at least an open door leave it a door. I'm bothered by this. Not because I'm a sexual person. I'm bothered by this.

Well, thank you. CJ and Lindenhurst, Long Island keep spreading the word about iron sharpens iron radio on Long Island and beyond. We're gonna go to a break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own as.

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We are addressing the theme Letting truth offend without adding our own Offensiveness and our email address if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Ch r is a RN Z n at gmail .com and only remain anonymous if it's about a personal and private matter we have a listener in Lagos, Nigeria. Osanachi and Osanachi says great topic given the hyper sensitivity of our day.

There are those who in a bid to not offend suggest directly and indirectly that believers Should numb the truth and then there are those who really want to speak truth. But lay so much emphasis and approach e .g. the tone of one's voice Written or verbal but looking at our Lord in a good number of situations and The likes of John the Baptist one gets through one gets the sense that there was a Reliance on the spoken word as a hammer and an instrument sharper than any two-edged sword.

And not so much on the sensibilities of the recipients. Now I am in no way saying that our Lord was insensitive or that we should be but I am basically asking is Should we not be thinking and focusing on speaking the truth in love?

Obviously as it is in Christ and not how a pair of ears will feel. Because they're adverse to God's Holy Word in which case we become prone to watering down his word.

There's a long answer, but you're not able. They should be able to. Not try to shave off any of the and the reverend buzz. Taylor has something to say.

I think especially as a pastor because um, I had an experience where I listened to a lot of my Recordings of my earlier preaching and the impression I got, you know, I was teaching the word, but I was thinking well Why do I sound like I'm so mad at my congregation?

I'm I'm yelling at them and and you know, I came across James 317 that says but the wisdom from above is first pure then peaceable. And I like oh my gentle reasonable full of mercy and and good fruits unwavering without hypocrisy and you know that that Transformed my preaching right there because it's like yeah, I had a whole different view of it that yes.

You know Paul said, you know, you preach with doctrine, but he also said patience because it's it's required. You're talking to people who are just as slow to receive as I was, you know.

Well, I admire you for going back and listening to early sermons. I don't. I don't think I've seen sufficiently enough to be warranted having to do that for penance yet.

But while while we have that thought buzz I know that you Are a graduate of Bob Jones University and that you have gone through Quite a development in theology since then and you are not only reformed but much to my dismay Presbyterian.

But you from time to time you have contact with some of your old classmates who? Still have held on to an anti Calvinist Viewpoint not only a non Calvinist one, but one that is very hostile towards your beliefs.

How do you handle those discussions without? Blowing off steam by you know, raising your voice or being You know, perhaps prone to mockery or something like that. How do you prevent that?

Well, I had a crisis experience at one point where I was discussing the the doctrines of grace and It was with a particular girl that I had worked with and I I remember we were we were getting, you know into a heated debate over it and I caught myself yelling and I thought wait a minute.

What it's not a personal offense against me if she can't see it. And I went back to her a few days later and I you know said to her, you know. Like I just want to tell you, you know, my my I was totally out of line then.

You know by letting anger get into the whole situation and you know a few years later She started talking to me at work once about the doctrines of grace and I'm like, wait a minute. You you got it. But yeah, but yeah, I caught myself and that that made me stop and think you know because of the fact that I do deal with a lot of my former classmates and it is difficult and I Mean, they just are bullheaded and you know, it's you have to deliberately Watch your own self, you know I have to be aware that that is my tendency and to watch out for it before it flares up.

Yeah, dr.

Tom don't we often forget that it is even grace that opened up our eyes to these things and we sometimes Develop a haughty or self-righteous or superior attitude. When the doctrines of grace are supposed to do the exact opposite of that bring us to our knees in humility.

Dreams are like a blind man who's been given sight.

You know. You've been to though Chris since you brought it up Chris. Okay, I didn't bring this up. But since you did I'll go ahead and latch on to this but going through ministerial training. Maybe time you can tell me you've also been through ministerial training and you know I've said to a lot of people when you go to ministerial training you see it all the kind of people that you're dealing with there that are running around correcting everybody and all and.

You know Paul said That there are some who preach Christ out of strife and I used to question. Well, how do you preach Christ out of strife? Well, I certainly when I think back I've seen a lot of it where.

There are a lot of people in the ministry simply because they have a chip on their shoulder and it's it's an opportunity to stand In front of a congregation and yell at them. Hmm like they're the big boss, you know, and there's I don't know you've probably seen a lot of that yourself though, right?

I wish I could tell you that I've been free from doing any of that. In this conversation the true gospel and I'm acting like a jerk. You know, I walked away from that resides in me and I hate it. So here we are confessing these things to Chris now.

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Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania. Who says Jesus it seems had a much harsher way of dealing with false religious leaders than he did. With those that were considered the pariah of society like prostitutes and thieves and and others.

With overtly wicked behavior. How do we apply that same pattern of behavior that Christ seemed to demonstrate to our lives today?

Now.

In regard to that even there wouldn't you have different approaches for instance? You may have a very well intentioned pastor who has just been Taught incorrectly. He may have been raised in a certain denomination or Religion that has anywhere from a Mildly to a damnably heretical view of certain things.

If you're gonna have a cup of coffee with this individual or lunch or or some kind of a Interaction with them isn't there a difference where you might have An opportunity to to speak the truth and love to someone who is Teachable who is respectful to you etc, unlike the Pharisees obviously.

If you may have the same kind of a meeting with a leader or religious leader or a allegedly Christian leader who is openly denouncing biblical truth and That there is there is a Different kind of a scenario there, isn't it?

But and especially if that person is trying to Seduce people out from your own flock into this heresy. Oh.

Yeah, completely. Those are Same gospels if I'm not seen. Yeah, I think that's an important.

We have to realize also what our our motive is. I mean if if we're trying to convince them of greater truth. Well, it's gonna be different than if we're just trying to win an argument and a lot of it has to do with you know.

Am I just am I speaking Christ out of my own personal pride or am I actually, you know in defense of truth? For truth's sake.

Yeah, that's right. I I have found in myself and one of the things I try to fight against it. It does live in to give up and just quit being concerned about winning arguments. Yeah, I hope it's true. I don't care if I never win another argument.

I really do want to win come to know the truth be set free by the truth and be established from In the truth never bowed to Jesus and so I'm trying to win those people.

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