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I am thrilled to have back on the program someone.

Although I am thrilled to have her back on the program I am

Nauseated and disgusted by what we have to discuss today.

Today we have returning to the program Audrey Werner Dean of life issues and professor

at Masters International University of Divinity president and founder of

The an organization that offers a purity paradigm for our homes churches

and nation.

And that would be the Matthew 18 group, correct.

Yes, and.

She is a former sex educator and sexually transmitted disease clinic

nurse a Purity speaker for a life talk crisis pregnancy center and

national speaker for RSVP America sex education expert for the

American Academy of Biblical counselors and Author of 10 tips on how

not to talk to your children about sex.

Today we are going to be addressing a new documentary that she has participated in

titled the mind polluters which is a documentary exposing the dark realities of

the Intentional grooming of children into a worldview at odds with the Christian faith

rampant with sexuality homosexuality and transgenderism

normalized through the use of pornographic and pedophilic Materials.

As my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens.

I'm ready out.

Audrey Werner.

Thank you To be on your show and I appreciate and I

appreciate it as well.

Perhaps more than you do and.

Well, first of all before we even go into the documentary the mind polluters tell us something about your

own background in the field of sex education and how this whole

subject matter Became a part of a mission or even a crusade

that you are on To not only purge schools Government

schools of this nightmarish Satanic garbage, but even

believe it or not.

You still have a mission to purge Christian schools of this Pollution.

Yeah, but tell us about your own background.

In the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate Church, I actually married the youth

director of our Lutheran Church who was also the first grade school teacher at the Lutheran School and

During that time I had a new career As a public health nurse and

as part of my job as a public health nurse was that I taught sex education in the

schools and I had to go through the standardized training that any Person who teaches sex ed

has to go through to be able to go into the schools and talk to kids about sex.

I was told during my training that parents are not doing their job and that I need to go in there and do it

for Them so I did this job diligently.

My husband I were did not have children at that time.

So I did that for five years and during my training.

They also said you're going to hear this lie out there that if you talk to children about sex They're going to go out and do it

and that's simply not true.

You're actually going to decrease the pregnancy and the sexually transmitted disease rate.

So I did this for five years and then my husband and I were blessed with our first child.

I still wanted to work for the health department that I wanted to work part -time.

So the only part -time job was working in the venereal disease HIV clinic.

I did that during the 1990s and it's as if the Lord said I want you to see the fruit of your

labor and Instead of seeing things getting better. I thought things getting progressively worse.

Now at the same time I had a dear friend of mine at the Lutheran Church who was

looking into the very first Christian sex education program, which is called the learning

about sex series.

It came out of Concordia Publishing House in 1967.

I vividly remember getting the book when I was in a fourth grade.

And my response to it Which was I had never seen a naked person before and this

book had pictures.

I've never seen a naked male before and I was very uncomfortable.

I tried to put that book as deep into my desk as I could to get it away from me.

And little did I know till in future research that I was trying to protect my own

moral innocence.

And thank goodness.

My teacher was uncomfortable with the book as well because we never went over it.

So I thought okay When did sex education start.

Who really developed it and what was the intent behind it?

And I was looking into also the origins of the very first Christian sex ed program and

came across a pedophile who is Considered the father of the

sexual revolution, which is Alfred Kinsey.

Hugh Hefner gave the seed money for sex education to be put into schools and

Dr. Mary Calderon was an instrumental voice.

She actually went to the American Council of Churches and convinced the churches that they needed to put sex

education in the school.

So and she was the medical director of Planned Parenthood before she was a

proponent of pushing sex education.

So I thought wow, this is a huge story.

And I thought oh my gosh at first I thought I just have to wake up the Lutheran school that my my Child then was

in kindergarten when I was starting to research all of this our firstborn and then I realized oh my goodness I

need to take this to the top of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate.

And then I realized I have to take this to the entire body of Christ.

Which was an insurmountable task.

So I had an argument with God several times and every time I would say but I'm not an

expert in this.

The Lord would connect me with the person who happened to be the expert in that in the world.

And one of those people was dr. Judith Reisman who is also featured in the documentary the mind polluters.

Oh, yeah, in fact, there is Something that brought back memories.

Remember in the 80s, I would frequently watch the Phil Donahue show and.

And I was even knowing how left -wing Phil Donahue was.

I must have not ever have seen the particular

program that Judith participated in.

Because watching it today.

Watching the documentary today.

Seeing that clip of Phil Donahue.

I was astonished that he was defending Kinsey and.

But it was.

But it was quite interesting.

Maybe you know whether or not.

He was aware of the depth of depravity of Kinsey's research.

But he seemed because I know that he was reluctant at first to to show the audience

the research that was being done that involved pedophiles and even

sexually molesting and basically torturing infants.

But he see he seemed visually stunned for at least a few seconds when

he showed it on the screen like as.

If you didn't even know what he was getting into he didn't know what the the Pandora's box.

He was opening.

Do you know anything about whether he was fully aware of how?

Dark the Kinsey research was.

He was because if you notice in that clip After she shows

the pedophile data He asked her the question.

He asked you that the question because she's trying to to show people.

This is ridiculous.

This is you know, this is a crime and he said so what's your point

here?

Yes, I did hear him say that but I didn't know if he was just trying to.

Somehow escape from an embarrassment.

No, he worked he worked he worked with the Kinsey Institute.

Wow, we were really aware.

You know and we hear that pedophilia is very rampant in Hollywood and has been for years.

And that girl married him.

Danny Thomas's lovely daughter and spokesperson for st. Jude's Hospital

married him.

Yeah, well There's there's a lot coming out lately I I pray more comes

out that you know with the whole Disney thing.

I I was showing the film in Florida a couple of weeks ago.

Two leaders in Florida and they were complaining that governor DeSantis didn't go far enough with this bill

that the bill should have covered.

You know, you shouldn't indoctrinate any children in any grade to Sexualization

and I said no, he's brilliant because who's gonna argue Sexualizing kindergarten or

preschool through third grade.

Who's gonna stand up for that?

Well who ended up standing up for it and arguing against it?

But Disney so I thought that was brilliant on his part to expose who's supporting

The grooming of children and now we know so yeah.

Yeah, this is.

Nightmarish stuff, I think that.

There are going to be people in my audience who probably

may Think that this is nutty conspiracy theory stuff because it is so

outlandish.

It is so over -the -top Satanic and

sexually evil and perverse.

What the things that we are talking about.

So.

Before we get even involved in more of the discussion of the content of the

documentary mind polluters.

Tell us about how this Documentary even came to come

into existence.

What was the driving force?

Was it a realization that there was rampant ignorance?

Amongst parents and Churches and politicians and communities.

About the depth of evil that was present in the sex education system.

I'll tell you when I was doing my research and when I said, I'm not an expert in Kinsey The Lord connected me

with Judith Riesman When I said I realized that our locks have been changed.

For example, you can you know Go on an app and find out where the

closest pedophile lived in your neighborhood.

That didn't used to be the case.

It used to be they were put away in prison or they were put to death.

So the protections for marriage women and children have been eliminated in this country and

Kinsey science was used to do that.

So I Knew nothing on the law.

And the Lord connected me with Colonel Ron Ray and his wife Eunice Ray who had founded RSVP

America and they were working with Judith to Bring about an

awareness that the model penal code in the sex offense section had been

changed and Kinsey science We used to have something called the common law which was

based on the Bible.

And so the the new scientists came in and said, oh that's too old and antiquated.

The lawyers who were on the dark side were pushing this so they drafted the model penal code in

1955 and the first state to adopt it was Illinois and then it spread

across the country.

So as was shared in the film that legalized pornography it legalized abortion

it Lessened penalties for rape of women and children.

It was used for no -fault divorce.

I mean there was this whole cascade of ushering in the sexual revolution with Kinsey science.

Changing our law to make it even easier to push this on everyone

so Fast forward to I've been presenting this for years trying to wake people up

because Colonel Ray said to me He said it has crept into every institution.

If you are in the field of education, you have been influenced by Kinsey science.

If you are in the field of medicine, I heard throughout nursing school children are sexual from birth

and that means that children are capable of Sexual activity.

According to Kinsey's eyes infants could have sex with adults and it's not harmful so in the

STD clinic, for example 13 year old girl was brought in by a 22 year old man,

and I could not call her parents.

I could not call the police because according to the government She

was a consenting adult at the age of 13 and I had to give her birth control.

That's what he brought her in for so and sadly it has crept into the military.

And it has crept into the church.

So Kinsey's teachings especially in the area of sex education marital intimacy

I always say by whose authority when somebody writes a book by whose authority are they standing on and I would say

90 of the Christian material goes back to Alfred Kinsey.

So we have been heavily influenced.

So I've been doing this for a long time.

I'm trying to wake up people and working with RSVP America and My organization

was started based on Matthew 18 15 to 17 if your brother sends you go to him if they don't listen you go to the church

and.

So my my mission is to wake up the church.

And encourage everyone to get back to God's standard in Bible, which is chastity purity modesty

self -control.

We need to protect marriage women and children again.

We need to restore God's law in this nation and make it honorable again.

But we need to have the church behind this movement and it's been a slow going on that.

So 2019 I prayed Lord just get me to the remnant and I've been very surprised where I've been.

You've gone to Parliament to a legislative briefing, but it wasn't in the church.

So I was asked to speak at a conference in Indiana and I met Mark and Amber Archer.

They had already done one documentary their company is called fearless teachers, which I love the name of that.

They had done a documentary on the abortion industry in Indiana called in would drive.

They used to work for Hollywood and God got a hold of their heart and said I want you to start making movies for me.

So their first one was in one drive the second one.

They had read a book called the mind polluters and they knew that they needed to do one on pornography.

Because it's connected pornography and abortion are connected actually.

Anthony is a Comstock had said that they're the three contraception pornography and

abortion were all interconnected so.

So they wanted to do a pornography and somebody said hey Judith Riesman Audrey Warner

Rhonda Miller these people are experts on Pornography with children you may want to

go to a conference.

They're speaking at in Napani, Indiana.

So that's where I met them for the first time and they said can we film you and we said sure so they filmed

the whole conference and then they came back to each individual of us and and came to our state

where we live and interviewed us for the movie and it's.

It's by God's grace that this movie came together because no Christian organizations wanted to back them

on this.

Now obviously we should not Forget to pay tribute to

Two key people involved in the creation of this documentary Mark and Amber

Archer.

Tell us about them and their background.

An interesting background and they used like I said, they used to work for Hollywood.

And they both have had a come -to -Jesus moment.

They're married.

They have children.

They're a wonderful courageous Christian couple I've had people have seen the movie.

They're so surprised at the quality of the movie and I said well.

That's because they used to work for Hollywood.

Why this movie is so wonderful.

Oh, yeah, this is not.

This is not a cheesy poorly made Film as sadly many Christian films

are.

This is not in that category at all.

Very professionally done.

Yes, and you tie together Comprehensive sex

education a critical race theory and social emotional learning which is in

all of the schools in America and is coming to all the schools.

Social emotional learning is now in Every school in America and even the Christian

schools are starting to adopt the concept of that.

But basically the movie does a great job of showing you how they have figured out to

rewire Children's brains so.

Anyway, they have been courageous in going forward.

They had to mortgage their house to put this movie together and They the Lord just directed them

through this whole thing.

I mean they I'm so honored to be in a movie with Ken Ham from answers in Genesis.

Yes in this movie to Craig Sawyer From he's the former SEAL

team who rescues children from child sex trafficking.

So, you know they knew exactly what they were doing and you can tell God's hand is on it because it has been

powerful.

The responses that we're getting where we're showing this all over the country.

Well Obviously, we need to get into the nitty -gritty of what it is

about the sex education curriculum that is

Spreading like a cancer Throughout our nation and abroad even targeting

children who are pre -k and kindergarten age.

This is the clips that this documentary shows.

Because Folks, this is not As I was saying earlier some kind of a

conspiracy theory by nutty right -wingers.

This documentary actually shows clips of those involved in the

sex education curriculum that is rampant in our world today and So you can see

and hear for yourself what they are promoting to little children.

They are not teaching children just that these things exist.

When I say these things Premarital sex homosexuality

Etc. Transgenderism.

They are Intentionally making children feel comfortable about these things.

Am I right?

Yes, as I

they do such a great job in the movie of showing actual curricula that is being used

in schools this is and that's been my point since I found out the origins of sex

ed is I had to have a footnote for everything.

Because it's such an incredible Preposterous story, but it

explains why we are where we are in America.

That movie has done a good job and consistently when I have presented before this movie came along.

Which is a bad this movie is a fabulous tool to help me present make the case for this.

But before that just in my presentation People would go wow, I

love how you connect the dots, you know that this is all Interconnected it

has the same as you said demonic root.

And there's actually a picture of Kinsey in the movie a black -and -white picture of him.

And he is standing and Alice Cholester Alex Cholester's Temple satanic

temple in Sicily where he would rape torture and murder

babies in the temple for Satan during his satanic ritual.

So this this is a principality that is not only taking over America is

taking over the world and You know when I said God get me to the

remnant in 2019.

I actually Through an invitation from a pastor in Uganda went over

Unbeknownst to me at a time when they were about to put sex education in their schools because they haven't officially

put it in yet.

And so I went over and presented the what I knew about that time and it actually

Halted sex education from going into the school.

So even after people see this movie and they're overwhelmed with oh my gosh.

This is so huge and it's so pervasive throughout not

just Public schools, it's in Christian schools and even homeschool

materials has some of this in it.

So it is so overwhelming but I remind people if God could take one woman

over to Uganda and Stand up against the UN Planned Parenthood International and UNICEF

and God halted sex ed from going in the school there.

What can he do with ten righteous people in America?

Amen.

Now Some of the other things involved in this

are a promotion not as again not just Identifying

to Children that there is a thing such as homosexuality and

I'm not advocating that even fact based Documentaries or information

Promoting The education of sex amongst children.

I don't even believe in that.

I think that's a that's something that is the duty of a parent to be involved

in how to Teach their children about sex and so on

but It's not even just fact -based.

It's promoting homosexuality.

It's It's basically Telling kids things

that that nobody has the right to be telling them

To give into your feelings and your desires and even in planting

those Thoughts which may turn into proclivities and desires later

when they didn't even exist there before, right?

Exactly and again, I think Mark and Amherst did a great job of

highlighting my good friend Monica Klein who's here in Texas with me who

also was a fellow sex educator and she and Craig Sawyer who

Rescues children from child sex trafficking.

They both did a great job of showing the parallel Between comprehensive sex

education what a sex educator does not intentionally because I will say I was a sex educator.

So was she and this was not our intention to sexualize children.

But the techniques we were taught are the same techniques that a pedophile uses to groom

children.

So that's a pretty powerful statement sexual words and images are

Powerful and children have an aversion to it when a parent, you know, we're we're

encouraged in the learning about sex series I I did a word search.

I looked at how many times is chastity or just the word purity?

How many times is purity mentioned?

And it was mentioned just a handful under five times.

I think it was less than that.

Pure and purity was mentioned, but you know two times I think it was and I looked at the word

sex sexuality sexual intercourse 354 times

so the the Focus was not a biblical base, but rather it was a

Kinsey base.

It I did the research of looking at how did we approach this before Alfred Kinsey?

His books came out in 1948 1953.

The media promoted him as a happily married man a legitimate scientist the corrupt

people in the legal community and in our government pushed his science as legitimate science

and yet Looking at his own data as Judith showed in the movie looking at

his own data.

He has interviewed pedophiles and he is timing How long

babies have orgasms and then he defines orgasms of infants as fighting away

the partner a collapsing trembling fainting screaming that is

horrific and so it's in Kinsey's book, so this is.

This is the foundation of comprehensive sex education prior to this.

It was I found some antique books and it was the flowers the birds and the bees.

And now parents are being taught now these are you know.

Today we were born into the sexual revolution.

So we know no different.

We were brought up with sex education so.

But parents do have a little bit of an aversion of talking graphically to the kids about sex.

And so a lot of parents are thankful they can give it to the experts but now we're finding out that the experts

are being trained in this pedophile model of Normalizing all

kinds of sexual activity and so the new fad is

transgenderism and There was a poll that came out recently that was

of young people.

Generation and they say that now 33 of them identify as

LGBTQ.

That that I know there's many letters after that now, but but we're talking about an explosion

in Young people who are having taking on these sexual identities.

Well, why is that happening.

Because they've been indoctrinated in the schools.

They've been indoctrinated.

Through these programs.

It's been normalized.

They and I always say to parents our number one goal is to make sure that our children have their identity in

Jesus Christ.

Because if their identity is in Jesus Christ, that's going to dictate their actions their decisions and their

motives.

But if we aren't diligent in doing that the world is ready to give them these

types of identities and the fad right now is the transgender movement, which again was highlighted

in the film how they can take a preschooler and start to plant the seeds of

transgenderism.

Yeah, and I probably in fact not probably I should have opened up the program by telling my listeners

to make sure that no young Children were in the room.

Although they were listening to the broadcast and I will repeat that warning now every time I

come back from a break, but this is mind -boggling

and nightmarish satanic stuff and It

is absolutely astonishing the lengths to which

Leftists are going leftists who themselves are not even involved in

some of these Abominations in regard to homosexuality

Transgenderism and pedophilia, but for some reason think it is so important to perpetuate

These so -called freedoms in our nation and also to

instill These things as options for young people as they

grow and develop.

Obviously That I'm aware.

We haven't reached a point where pedophilia is being promoted at least overtly

but the with the Ground is certainly being tilled for fertile soil

for that to be the outcome with Children not only to yeah

voluntarily participate in something like that.

And of course a child can't really voluntarily Be involved because they don't even know what's really

going on.

But uh.

Well, yeah, but there's two things Chris that are going on.

One is the lowering of the age of consent as I said.

There was a 13 year old and now the model of the American Law Institute is suggesting that the

age of consent be lowered to 10.

So to correlate with that there is a curricula called unequal partners and

That has a picture of a adult man and a boy on it and it is a curricula to help

teachers and counselors and nurses if a 10 -year -old they identify a healthy relationship

between a 10 to 17 year old and an adult.

This curricula helps the official Authority in the school to

help the child at 10 decide if that's a healthy relationship.

Wow, it's no it's here it's here

right now and That's why this movie is so timely and it is so

urgent that Christians wake up on this issue.

Then the walls are down.

We are in Nehemiah time and we've got to get to rebuilding those walls and.

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Where you are listening to today's program because we are talking about very sensitive issues

definitely issues that young minds and ears should not be exposed to.

Which is exactly the point actually of the documentary.

We are discussing the mind polluters a documentary exposing the dark realities

of the Intentional grooming of children into a worldview at odds with the Christian faith.

Rampant with sexuality homosexuality and transgenderism normalized through the use

of pornographic and Pedophilic materials.

If you have a question, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Sexual predators and comprehensive sex education both break down inhibitions.

That's what they start with.

They also gain trust with the child and then slowly start to get them towards sexual activity.

Anything goes.

You are teaching children adult child sex you're teaching transgender issues.

And you know children are are moldable and and influenced by that.

They said okay now we need you and your team to be able to

explain what Homosexuality is to a four -year -old student to introduce this kind of material

at that age.

Frankly, it's child abuse.

You're going to teach our children that it's okay for any two children of any age of any sex.

To have sexual intercourse with each other as long as two components are present.

One's using a condom and they both give consent.

Did I hear that correctly.

It's not a neutral venue.

There's no such thing.

Okay, the schools are doing your job.

They are Discipling your children, but they're not discipling them in the

faith of Jesus Christ.

It's only the exceptional child That even survives that system.

Most do not survive most have not survived.

They believe that children are sexual from birth and that they deserve and have the right to

be sexually active and to seek sexual pleasure and.

If anyone is stopping them from that then you are judging and oppressing them even kindergarten now.

They're wanting to teach them more and more perverse information and acts and

put that into the children's minds and Once those that that poison is in a child's

mind doesn't leave.

They'll always remember what they learned and it's by design.

It's.

Orchestrated in my

humble opinion.

It will be worse.

Before it gets better.

Wow, we will be repeating this website later, but it is the

mind polluters calm the mind polluters calm and you can find

out more about This documentary that features our guest

today.

Audrey Werner.

And Audrey Kinsey

died When it was to my

knowledge he died in the the heyday of Ozzie and Harriet, you know, he was.

He died in the in the late 50s.

Right, how did the soil of

This nation and of the family specifically and academia

becomes so fertile to embrace the ideology of a

madman.

And a pervert.

I mean.

Obviously there have always been.

Well at some point beginning after the garden at least there have always been homosexuals there have always been

people involved in adultery and fornication.

But but back then it was at least.

Was something that shocked the sensibilities of the average?

American family even if they were unregenerate.

Even if they were not Christian, even if they may have even been an agnostic family or an atheist family,

which was far less.

Less in numbers back then.

But how on earth did did the the school systems come to

embrace this stuff?

It's kind of interesting how and I am not recommending this movie and I don't

clearly remember all of the movie but Almost 20 years ago.

I saw the Hollywood movie about Kinsey

Unfortunately starring one of my favorite actors Liam Neeson but even that

Hollywood treatment of him Revealed that he was a man out of

control.

Sexually.

Even if you want to use a clinical term.

A bit of being a sex addict.

It just rampant out of control and it destroyed his marriage and his own mental health.

And I believe it actually is what eventually killed him physically but

how did these ears in Academia and elsewhere

become so eager to hear such horrible nightmarish

Stuff as if this was the expertise we needed to properly Train up

young people so that they may be properly understanding Sexual activity and what's what it

is all about.

The the strength of America.

You have been our biblical foundation.

We're a Christian nation not because we have more Christians or churches.

But because our laws and our government were founded on the principles of the Old and New Testament.

If you look at the psalm 2 2 talks about the kings of the earth.

Wanting to be the rulers of the world.

There's an excellent book that was written.

I believe in the 1950s.

It was called Foundations.

Their power and influence and it was written by a legal counsel to US Congress

in the 1950s by the name of Renee Wormser and in that Renee

exposes how the foundations which were started up

in the 1920s.

The Ford's the Carnegie's and the Rockefellers who started up these tax -exempt foundation.

He actually shows through the book that These were

people that wanted to be kings of the earth the wealthy elite and if you fast -forward to today.

The programs that were exposed in the mine polluters are still funded by People,

you know, you will see Carnegie Foundation.

You will see Rockefeller Foundation.

But now you have the Warren Buffett and the Bill Gates and the you know.

The other wealthy elite who want to be the the rulers of the world well in order to destroy

America.

You have to destroy the Christian Church and you have to destroy the traditional

family.

So the the idea of the sexual revolution didn't just happen in the

1960s.

It took revolutionary years of pre -planning.

So can't be at the can't be just a tool that was used.

He's not the ultimate devil here.

Obviously Satan is the the author of these lies and deceit but can't be science

came out in the 30s and the 40s.

He was doing this research and he was funded by the the Carnegie's and the Rockefellers.

So His science was used and then supplanted.

Into every institution as I said, so his for example at Indiana University.

He started teaching a marriage class in the 1930s.

So he was starting to have influence already at the University.

Once his science came out and his research was published in 48.

And in 53 then you have different you have the Kinsey Institute at Indiana

University which is still there today, by the way and For pedophiles all over the world.

You can send your data.

There's a Kinsey app.

So at the University the Kinsey Institute is still collecting data for pedophiles all over the

world and Again so this continues to go on but in

the book of foundations Renee Wormser brings up the Kinsey

Rockefeller connection and even states in there that the Rockefeller foundation

or the or the Kinsey science was a deliberate attack on Judeo

-Christian morality, so this was a well -thought -out plan that began

again.

The American Law Institute was started up in 1923 with the intent of

removing 52 Bible -based laws.

The problem I've always said is where was the church when no -fault divorce became

legal?

Where was the church during Roe vs. Wade?

Where was the church when pornography became legal?

And the and the problem was they were brilliant because they knew to infiltrate the church because if they could infiltrate the

Frankfurt school talked about.

You know the communist Frankfurt school talked about infiltrate the church first because the church

sets the moral Society and we're seeing denomination after denomination that

has embraced the LGBTQ.

Has embraced abortion and if you go back to the science that they're using because obviously they're not using

scripture.

They're using Kinsey science.

So again, this was a well -thought -out plan.

It was put into the universities if anyone takes the human sexuality course.

Even if you take it at a Christian University you are getting indoctrinated in Kinsey science.

Because the whole field is founded on Kinsey's fraud criminal

science.

Now I know for a fact that the Christian school

Operated by my own congregation where I'm a member The

Christian school of Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it would never in a million years

touch or Certainly not promote anything that is contained

in these satanic school curriculums and I know

churches with whom I have very close fellowship that would share that

revulsion and that Protection of children never to

Allow any of them to see or hear any of this satanic garbage.

I am baffled that a denomination that is In

spite of my theological differences with the Missouri Synod Lutherans I have friends who are

Missouri Synod Lutheran pastors and other and members of other very conservative

Bible -believing Lutheran denominations outside of the

Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, which Evangelical Lutheran Church of America,

which is really an apostate denomination.

But I know these conservative guys in fact I've interviewed

Authors published by Concordia that you said when it was making some of

these these Nightmarish sex ed curriculums available in print

how on earth did they come to embrace this?

Satanic stuff and and how much of that denomination is still using

this stuff.

I'm just my mind is boggled by that because of the the great reverence for Scripture

and the strong belief in the inerrancy of Scripture and Other in everything in

regard to biblical morality that I share with my Conservative Lutheran friends.

I'm just astonished by this.

How did this happen and is how much of it is still going on?

You know, I always preface it with You know, please understand that I'm not beating up the Lutheran

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It's just I happen to be from the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate so I looked at their writings,

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You will find there has been a shift over the last 60 70 years.

And so it's in all denominations.

It's not just Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate, but I will share with you that

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you about how mind -boggling it is to me that some

of this nightmarish and satanic curriculum Is present within the

denomination known as the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church because I have such a high regard for that denomination and no

Pastors in that denomination and authors who I've interviewed in that denomination Using their

primary publishing house How did this happen and you were you were about to discuss how you

went to the hierarchy and I believe dr. Berry You approached him about this if you could

continue from there.

Yes, I in 1997 I was Coming to the realization that

education program was founded on Kenzie science.

So I used the Matthew 18 process.

I went and talked to leaders at the local to dr

Berry.

And sent him a letter With the information and because I had a friend whose

husband was on the board of directors for the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate.

That was my doorway into dr. Berry and He took to

heart the info.

He said I'm not pulling the series at this time.

I do find this disturbing.

And he opened the door for me to be in a debate with the leaders of

Concordia Publishing House.

So with him as the moderator, so I have all of the correspondence back and forth.

And it came to a head because as I started this I was saying

I'm not a pastor.

This is Missouri Senate.

I'm a woman who is going to listen to me.

And the Lord gave me Judith Riesman and then Colonel Ram Ray and Eunice Ray who were able to help

me.

Colonel Ray is a constitutional lawyer.

He's the former assistant to the Secretary of Defense under President Reagan and He said after you have to

make the case to the Lutheran Church Of why they are in the air.

So he helped me to construct what I call it the Supreme Court brief.

That was put together and it is available.

You can read it at on my website.

It was the actual document that was presented to a representative from Concordia Publishing House.

Unfortunately, dr. Berry had passed away suddenly.

I Believe it was in 2000 that he passed away.

So I had a friend who was the head of Lutheran's for life at the time and she

orchestrated a meeting between Concordia Publishing House and myself.

With a representative met with me at the Lutheran's for life headquarters in Iowa.

Where I presented the documents that I had put together and

Again, I I you know, this is not my opinion.

I am always saying when someone speaks and they've right.

You go to the bibliography to look at by whose authority are they standing on and

I have a book That was published by Concordia Publishing House in 1961 it's called sex

and the church and In the book, it says Alfred Kinsey and his associates were discovering some

facts about sexual behavior.

Though many doubts have been expressed both in the press and elsewhere as to the

validity of Kinsey's findings.

It's probably fair to say that in so far as statistical studies can give us an

accurate information.

The Kinsey books are reliable for the type of study made.

Wow.

This created the foundation For the learning about sex theory.

So fast forward to 1967 in a book called a Christian view

of sex education put out by Concordia Publishing in 1967 this was a

book to convince the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate pastors that they needed to put sex ed

in the Lutheran schools and in the Sunday schools and churches and It starts with

in recent years Sociologists have made public startling findings on the sex attitudes and

practices of modern men and women.

The American public were taken a bit by surprise many were downright shocked.

Then forward on it says early in the 1960s at the North American conference on church

and family Social scientists reported their findings on sex related problems.

Their reports discussed premarital pregnancies interfaith marriage divorce and broken homes.

The free sex attitudes of teenagers in the early 1960s, which it wasn't anything like it is

today.

So it basically came down to the greatest concern expressed by the sociologists Was that Americans have

lost a stable moral standard.

The new morality which is to do that suggests Behavior should be determined by the

circumstances or situation in which a person finds himself is an Adequate

moral standard for the Christian person.

So in the bibliography of this book You have the American Medical Association, which by the way

use Kinsey science.

You have seek it which is the sex Information and Education Council United States.

They are the foundation.

It was founded at the Kinsey Institute.

Mary Calderon was on the board of directors.

And again other resources in the bibliography of this book for Lutheran leaders include

Planned Parenthood resources, so This and in the

parent book it actually quotes Kinsey statistics directly.

As a justification for going in and talking to the children.

So there's overwhelming evidence and this has never been repealed.

I will tell you that I did approach the the president's after that

including the current president and It certainly in my document

I suggest that this be recalled this series be recalled and the public told why

it is recalled because it The foundation has created

much damage to society and Using this type of foundation

be instead of the Bible in the Bible alone using Kinsey science.

Has destroyed marriages, you know, we can say Today

how many pastors are addicted to pornography.

How many?

Had sex before marriage how many 40 and while the fornicated is the correct biblical term.

It's still again.

We're all products of the sex education that's out there.

And if we the church can't clean up our own mess and recant what it's based

on demonic.

How do we expect the world to follow Christ?

So that has been my argument from the beginning I will tell you there's hope because I did

notice that the movie of the mind polluters was actually shown at one of the

two Lutheran seminaries For the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate.

It was shown at the seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

I have not heard the reaction or the response there.

I also when the day before I presented and met Mark and Amber.

I actually got to present at the seminary to seminary students how Kenzie got into

the Lutheran Church, which was amazing in itself, but I got to present that information and

The document that I gave the Lutheran leaders as well as that presentation is on my

website.

So if you go to Matthew 18 org, you can look at the.

There's a tab for curricula review and learning about sex series review is on there that I presented to the

Lutheran Church in 2001 and to the leaders of Concordia Publishing House and Then

you can also click on the presentation.

Not only that I did at the Lutheran seminary, but the one I did in Parliament in Uganda that halted sex.

So.

The current Status of this situation in the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church

is that this stuff still exists in their school curriculums.

It is still there are Lutheran schools that you but there are Christian schools of several denominations that still

use this series but again When we look at all the craziness in this

world, you know.

Leaders in the church are looking for something and this is advertised as a Bible based Christ centered

curricula to be used.

So people are like, oh good.

There's a good Christian courage out here I can use if they knew this was based on the science of a

pedophile.

They'd be horrified.

So again, that's why I wrote my book ten tips on how not to talk to your kids about sex.

Because I went back to the Bible and I actually have a good Have a friend a pastor friend

who actually wrote the Song of Songs commentary for Concordia Publishing House and He

I I thought him a little bit when I was unearthing all this back

in 2001.

I Consulted him a lot on what just you know, it God seems to be modeling a lot of modesty in

Scripture.

You know, am I correct in that assumption and what I'm reading and that he was able to expand out even

more.

So I wrote my book in 2017 and I have now it's a revised

Standard.

I have a history of

what we were talking about earlier in the show how America was shifted the origins of sex

education and then the second half is Biblical principles on how we do talk to our

kids about sex using God's Word.

And by the way folks.

You can go to the archives of my radio program iron shepherds iron radio and if

you go to the Podcast section

Which is identified as podcast and then in parentheses past shows you'll see a

search engine there.

Type in Audrey.

I don't think I've ever interviewed anybody else by that name.

But if I did interview anybody else as well Audrey Werner will certainly come

up and all of her Interviews with me which would include The

discussions we had on her book and also a more detailed discussion on

the pervert who has been lauded as a great hero of Sex research

the satanic pedophile Alfred Kinsey.

We have a much more detailed discussion on him as well and

I've got to start contacting my Conservative Bible -believing Christ

honoring, Missouri Synod Lutheran Friends in the pastoral ministry and also who are

authors and the other folks I got to start telling them that they've really got us purged that completely from

their denomination.

It's it's a it's a disgrace.

Now when you say other denominations are also doing this.

Are you mainly talking about?

The liberal mainline Churches, are you speaking about any?

Church or denomination that is openly professes to be a a

group that believes in the inerrancy of scripture and has a Commitment to biblical sexuality

and all that.

I mean, who are you talking about here?

Well, um, you know, it's interesting I did a radio interview which was aired last week with Kevin

Swanson of generations ministry.

And he has a huge following.

Oh, yeah.

In fact, I interviewed Kevin.

Okay.

Well Kevin's not Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, but he and I really both because he was an Orthodox

Presbyterian when I interviewed him.

Yeah, he's not he's not Lutheran.

But his parents got the learning about sex theories and he was exposed to the same book I

was as a child and we both had traumatic experiences, you know with that I mean, we have it very

vivid in our memory when we were exposed to those books.

So that's what I'm saying.

It's not just Lutherans that use the theories.

It's across the board people have used it because if you go to focus on the family they have

Primarily I think two or three Christian Sex -ed materials and they're all

based if they all have that foundation on Kinsey if you go To any Christian bookstore and and

get a Christian sex -ed.

Usually you're going to see the learning about sex series is there so Yes, there are other denominations.

And again, you know, I can't tell you exactly each school.

I know one of the largest Baptist churches here in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

Had the learning about sex series in their bookstore.

So You know, it is.

It is pervasive and It and sad to say it's one of the largest

Moneymakers have been for it's what put Concordia publishing on the map, you know was

primarily they just published and mainly their customers were Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate.

But when they came out with that sex -ed series in the 60s and you know.

You had this explosion what seemed like just out of nowhere this sexual revolution.

Parents were hungry of all denominations.

So suddenly, you know, everyone was given You know the opportunity to purchase that

curricula.

Okay, we have Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania who

asks do you think a part of the problem of parents and

pastors and other leaders who might otherwise Embrace biblical

moral values.

But who have fallen prey to the nonsense and even the devilish

teachings that have their roots in Kinsey have been willing to

accept this stuff is because of the scientific Label that has been

attached to it.

I have been astounded how many people who seem very intelligent otherwise who are

conservative who believe in the Bible who seem to live upright Christian lives who

once a scientist says something they seem to want to trust it with their lives and.

Totally bypass the things that they claim to cherish in regard to theology

that the argument.

Again, go back as a pedophile.

Who determined that infants should have sex with adults?

That's not very age -appropriate, but.

Unfortunately, yes, you're right.

You know science.

At the time there was you know, it can be science came out.

There were so many innovations and so many.

You know things happening that people trusted the science.

I will say with this whole kovat thing I think people are starting to question

at least the medical science.

Yeah, you have physicians now on both sides.

No, thank goodness people are starting to question the authorities which is good.

But we need to do we need to I always say to a patient be an educated Consumer.

A man need to do the research yourself.

So that's what we're finding is.

That's what we need to do so that's a great statement from a man and my my personal physician is.

Vehemently opposed to The wearing of masks in order to prevent the spread of a virus because he knows

that he knows that's absolutely ridiculous.

He's very opposed to the current vaccines for the corona virus.

He has been publicly warning The the populace about the dangers

of these vaccines.

He has these warnings on his website.

And my advertiser that many of you have heard on this program Bhanu

Gadi who is a pharmacist and owns several pharmacies. He is

publicly in opposition to the use of the vaccines never believed in

the masks as The the masks that most people are wearing and

thinking that they are preventing the spread of any kind of a virus.

He's very opposed to it.

In fact his cousin who is another pharmacist Removed his son from a

college that was insisting that all the students get vaccinated with the corona virus vaccines

so There are people out there that are risking their livelihoods.

They're.

They're.

Yes, and I thank God for them and.

Yeah, you're right.

And you know I'm a registered nurse and I deal with poppy.

The population I deal with is 55 and older.

On people's health, I think you know blood clots and and the like.

So so the people who are risking it to give us truth.

There's a lot of validity to their truth because we are witnessing it as doctors and nurses and we're being silent.

So that could be a whole nother show Chris.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I want to plug my own doctor's website heritage family health org heritage

family health org and you could see on the website his Warnings about the vaccines and it's

all documented and He's really bravely risking his practice and his

license by being involved in the forefront of opposition to this

devilish Goings -on as one of our listeners just

called it in his his email.

One of the things that shows you Either the ignorance of

The education system about what's going on or they are so

tangled in a web of lies.

They They they don't remember what they lied about before and they wind up

showing themselves to be absolutely hypocritical to a laughably ridiculous

degree.

It was revealed in one of the Portions of

the the video or the documentary I should say the mind polluters where there was an Indiana

Senate committee meeting on education and career development.

And.

The those that were your colleagues you and your colleagues were warned.

That you were forbidden to read the children's homework assignments because these committee hearings or this

committee hearing was being live -streamed and Children might hear these things.

Yeah, I mean, they're already hearing them in the classroom.

Yes, the irony of that was and I love the fact that's the one point in the movie.

And I've shown this movie in movie theaters as well.

You know smaller groups.

But that is the one point where people chuckle in the movie because it is so ridiculous.

That you know, the parents of Indiana went to school districts their school district.

They pulled out by the way what the movie shows is in 43 states.

Normally, it is illegal to show pornography or obscenity to children.

You will go to jail if you do that and you're caught doing that.

However in 43 states out of 50 if you show it to children in a

school or a library It's exempt.

There is not a prosecution for that.

So that is hence why a parents are now after this movie.

They're going to their school libraries.

They're going in to look at the curriculum or closely and finding this Hardcore

pornography and so parents in Indiana were able to compile this

folder full of Porn which I don't I cringe when parents

start to read it at school board meetings because it is shocking information but it

Desensitizes the more we hear this porn aloud the more we get desensitized.

So I recommend give a folder to the school official or to the legislative

official.

But that's what they did in Indiana and yes they came out ahead of time and said you could not read any of this

aloud because it's going to be live stream and children might Be watching.

Yeah, that's a Senate hearing.

Laughably moronic.

Yes, it reminds me.

It reminds me of Katonji Brown When she was being

interviewed and was asked the simple question Can you define what a woman

is?

I don't know if that was the exact.

That way it was phrased and she said no, I'm not a biologist and the thing that's interesting about that.

She was so fearful about offending leftists and yet the leftists Don't believe

biology has anything to do with whether you're a man and a woman anymore.

It's how you feel and think that determines whether you are man or a woman according to them.

So she didn't even.

Act.

Really according to the script of leftism because she was so fearful of offending

people she got caught up in her own web of lies and revealed

Moronic that position is.

Yeah.

We have another anonymous listener Who asks

how do I go about making sure that your documentary is?

Presented in my congregation.

I would like to get the community involved By inviting them to see this in my

congregation and perhaps even at a local theater.

Well, you had talked about it.

I Steer people to Mark and Amber's website, which is fearless features org.

You can click on the mind polluters and it has all the information on the page.

To be able to purchase the movie you get it for a short period of time and you can show

that in a movie theater.

Or you can show that to just get a group of people in your home or if just you want to watch the

film.

It is accessible to you that way.

Eventually, it will be through DVD.

But again, it's it's taken a lot of prayer and it's going to take donation

To get that because they're basically funding this whole project.

So we do do free will for those of us who are we're in the movie and we have

Distribution rights and we could show the movie we do free will offerings at every showing.

To go toward them getting to distribute this and get it out

being a Calvinist.

I'd like to call them predestined offerings.

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Audrey, I want to make sure that before I go to any more listener questions that you

basically summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today about this

subject and about the documentary the mind polluters.

I would just say that everyone needs to see the documentary.

It's clear that the church and the traditional family has been under attack.

This movie does a beautiful job of Summarizing up what the problem is and I

always say we want to know we want to go into the enemy's war room.

And we want to know what the problem is because we don't want to be part of the problem.

We want to be part of the solution and I believe for America.

Our greatest hope is if the American churches wake up and get in this fight.

Often many of us in the movie don't even have pastors that are backing us or

churches That are excited about our movie.

We're doing this because the Lord has prompted us to do it.

So we need Good men and women to get in this fight and we

especially need the pastors in this fight.

So Please any pastor who's listening to this?

I would encourage you to watch this movie.

There is a message at the very end for pastors as well.

And be encouraged we are on the winning side here.

We have Almighty God with us.

So we are on the winning side and there is hope there is hope for America.

God can turn this around in a heartbeat, but it takes his people.

2nd Chronicles 714 going back to him.

Repenting and going back to him then he can heal that we know this

information.

Amen.

Let's see here.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who wants to know.

There has been a day in history when feminists Were

in strong agreement with evangelical Christians on one point.

They were universally opposed to pornography.

Even stuff that might even be considered tame today like Playboy

magazine and other similar periodicals and now the stuff that is available

makes that stuff look like Boys Life magazine or something that is completely tame

and.

Not harmful.

How on earth are the feminists remaining silent about this because they know and.

One of the things that they are right on the money about very often is that women are the victims

in this scenario of the promotion of this kind of garbage.

And obviously, it's.

Our listener was correct in saying women are the victims.

They're not the only victims, but they are a primary victim.

Right, right and now men are becoming victims to with the gaining popularity of

sodomy.

You know, I I've known of men who have been raped at college as well.

That's a great question.

And I you know, I I can't help but think that the The feminists who are at

the top of the chain are also the Luciferian feminists, so

You know when we look at the the whole athlete the women athletes, where are the feminists?

Why are they standing up for all the female athletes as these men who claim to be women are

competing against them, right?

So that's a good question.

I don't have an answer for that one.

And and I think is you have said there's so much irony And and

ridiculousness throughout all of this and it's not biblical based.

So.

Yeah, well, let's see.

We have a another question.

The there is a question from CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New

York who wants to know.

I Don't know if I missed the portion of the show where you were speaking about this.

But is it clear that this sex curriculum that you are condemning is actually

literally promoting pedophilia?

But what the film I think does a good job of showing is that the techniques used.

Teaching children about their genitals.

Teaching them about the act when they're very young and then you actually witnessing, you know.

You can see that children are averted to that because they're not meant to have sex or be

sexualized early on so.

That you know.

The movie does a good job of showing how sex ed curricula and and you know.

But some people would go all we need to have them call the correct name for the genitals.

We need to they need to know the act for procreation.

But again, we're talking about little children.

You know, we want our children to be morally innocent, but not naive.

As I said back in the day they use, you know.

The morally neutral object the flowers the birds and the bees to communicate God's life process.

So we have shifted to being graphic.

We have shifted from God covering us up to putting it out in the open there.

And that has been the foundation of the whole sex education movement.

So of course now today we have the whole pedophilia pro pedophilia, which again

sex education is taking down those barriers and preparing children for sex

or to even be as You know, one of the persons has said this movie is showing how the schools

are now grooming children for child sex trafficking.

So yeah, we're we're at a dangerous point here.

Yeah, I remember seeing in the documentary that there is a push by.

Many leftists.

That goes under the banner of children's rights.

That children have the right to experience and enjoy sexuality.

And you cannot help but think that behind that

Facade of.

Standing it for children's rights is the goal of pedophilia being

acceptable.

And that is most

everything has been normalized.

This is the way it like I said the Florida what Governor DeSantis

did.

I I don't think parents are ready to Sexualize little children yet.

I I loved the parents supporting him on that when it was said it was an anti -lgbt.

They came back and said it's an anti -grooming bill because that's an essence what it is.

That's what they're doing in the school is grooming children rewiring their brains

to accept and participate and pervert sexual activity.

Yeah, if you are teaching and even our president Joe

Biden is saying that children Should have the right to

mutilate their bodies physically through sexual

Surgeries and also through pharmaceutical methods.

Magically change their genders obviously we know that cannot happen but but change their

genders and appearance anyway.

We have a president of the United States being adamant that children should have that right even

In defiance of the parents desires I don't even believe a parent should be

legally permitted to allow that to happen.

I think that parents that allow that should be in prison, but but they don't even think many of these people

including our president I don't believe and think parents need to give consent for this.

And if a child can make that decision on his own or her own Then why can't

a young child make the decision to have sex with an adult?

I mean, it's just really common sense.

I mean it this is just so revolting and satanic and your

head spins That there are people who on the outside are you're

just average seemingly normal Neighbors in

suburbia.

And they are actually supporting these things with their votes and their activities and politics.

It's just I I don't even know what to say.

I mean I I sure hope that the post -millennialists are right and that this

this all changes.

Eventually where our globe is is Honoring the

law of God, but I want to once again give all the contact information

that people need you can go to the mind polluters calm the mind polluters

calm and as far as Your own ministry that

you have that you are a part of why don't you give our listeners the contact information for that Audrey?

Sure, it is Matthew 18

org,

well, thank you so much Audrey and I want to thank Maggie Conley a friend of

yours for alerting me about this.

Documentary the mind polluters and and Reminding me.

I should get you back on the show and I'm very glad I did.

I want to thank everybody who listened and I want you all to always remember For the rest of your lives that Jesus

Christ is a far far greater Savior Than you are a sinner.

Have a very safe happy healthy in Christ honoring weekend in the Lord's Day.