August 25, 2017 Show with Tom Sullivan on “Counsel for the Awakened Sinner” AND “The History of Revivals in the 2nd Great Awakening (Prior to Charles Finney)”

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I'm delighted to have back on the program a returning guest, Tom Sullivan, who operates Voice in the Wilderness Radio, a network that airs Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and he also operates Puritan Audiobooks.

Today we are going to be discussing for the first hour, counsel for the awakened sinner, and during the second hour, God willing, we are going to be addressing the history of revivals in the Second Great Awakening prior to Charles Finney, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Tom Sullivan.

And in studio with me is my co-host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, world. It's good to be back.

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Counsel for the Awakened Sinner and the Nature of Conviction

And before we go into the subjects at hand, Tom, since we last had you on the program, I think that we have had an even greater explosion in regard to the expansion of the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listening audience.

We're getting contacted either on the air or off the air every day, practically, with rare exceptions by new people who have never listened to the program before, who just discovered it and have fallen in love with it.

So there are a lot of people who are going to be totally unfamiliar, likely, with Voice in the Wilderness radio and Puritan audiobooks. Why don't you tell our listeners about those two entities?

Well, Voice in the Wilderness, to be honest with you, is just hanging by a thread. A number of these on the internet to put my narrated world in our works, and then on top of that YouTube enmity against this type of Christianity.

And so it is to be a sermon, audio sermon that is on you. Yeah, these are disturbing times. It is amazing how liberals.

Really devolved into leftist totalitarians. Liberals used to be crying out for an equal voice among many in the public square. Now they just want to snuff out everybody else's voice. So we definitely need, I mean, I'm sure that Iron Sharpens Iron Radio is going to be facing similar kinds of conflict if they're not already happening, and I'm just not.

Aware of it. Yeah, it sure did, especially because some of those who have been in the throng of.

Nastiness, and some even slanderous, are people who would wear the name Reformed, and it's really.

Disheartening. Well, brother, if it's the foundation of what I want to talk, you do have a large and growing audience, and I also, and we're enjoying, I think it is greatly misunderstood, and that is counseling the awakened state in the outset that I'm only stating, making anybody dry.

Sure. The question is, the date is in the hands of an angry god. I've only found, and a man named Stephen Williams, who was in the assembly, and these two men, the crux of that sermon was that had been awakened at that time, have been a path, and they say, this is my only way out of this, personary motive, right now, is to get, you mean one of your pastors at Grace Emanuel?

Is a means to, I'm about to teach a Sunday school on Pilgrim, some time before the evangelist talked to him with that burden on his back from John Owen, and this person, and Owen said, young man, pray.

In what manner do you see, so he said, in some years when I had acquaintance with access, till the Lord was pleased to relieve my spirit against God, requiring to make men's 1700s, religion and the soul by physician, then to our next subject, and that is Asa Held Nettleton in the second grade of Brooklyn.

Well, I guess you didn't hear me earlier, I was trying to ask you,.

When you said earlier that there was a book written on a matter involving this issue by Dr. Beeky and one of your pastors, I interview one of your pastors quite often, as you know,.

Greg Nichols, but is this someone else you're speaking of? Yes, we have a number of pastors, masters. Yeah, people might automatically think that you are talking about provenient grace or something like that.

I'll imply that, you know, as the Armenians use it, I'm saying that the antithesis, not in the act of regeneration, not ordinarily regenerate a man until he, until in the use of the means of conviction, under common grace, he has become conscious of his need of regeneration, who inquires, how am I to obtain a new birth?

The thing am I to do, respecting it? The answer is, find out that you need it, and that yourself, and when you have found this out, cry unto God, the Holy, makes men, haven't come to Christ that way, I'm not converting, block to Jonathan Edwards, if you read his diary, that for a while he lacked assurance.

Let's try to clarify this for a moment, just so nobody has the wrong idea. You are, I'm sure, I know that you're a Reformed Baptist, you believe that there is one gospel, there are not different gospels for different people, but the Lord, in his providence and sovereignty, goes about drawing different men to himself with different circumstances.

Like, for instance, you have a circumstance like the jailer coming to salvation immediately after his prisoners have been miraculously set free from their chains. That very night, not only did he come to faith in Christ, but he was baptized.

And you have other people who it seems that their heart, over years perhaps, being slowly chiseled away by the Holy Spirit before you have someone finally collapsing to their knees and crying out to forgiveness.

So you're saying that there's one gospel, but there's different ways that God...

We're really not even talking about a regeneration. What we are talking about in this is the conviction of you and I hold the scene in that moment.

Well, one thing I think what you're saying, one thing that our listeners should take great hope in from what you're saying is that just because they themselves may have had the light switch turned on by God very soon after they were evangelized, they should not lose hope and lose heart and be terrified and filled with anxiety when loved ones that they are evangelizing are not coming so quickly to embrace Christ and his gospel.

First of all, being Reformed, we know that that is up to God. We only plant seeds and water them, and God gives the increase, and he does so when he chooses. But we are not to think that just because some people come quickly that when others are taking years and years of either openly and adamantly rejecting the gospel or just being indifferent, we shouldn't lose all hope for their souls while they're still alive because they may be one of these cases that you're referring to.

God is just choosing for his own reasons that may always be remaining in his own mind until we're in eternity. For some reason, he chooses to take a longer period of time to convict and to soften.

The heart of a lost person. Well, she did not have any extended time for our next hour. John Bunyan, some people think 18 months to five. Virgin in his autobiography, maybe as much as going into that chapel.

And it's under the type person who had heard Jonathan Edwards preach sinners in the hands of an angry. After they have told them it is your duty to repent and believe there's a means to that you not but the evil that I hate that I do if then I do that which I would not it is no long fiction and sin where a person.

Right. We have a stark contrast, for instance, in the way.

Lydia, the seller of purple had her heart opened up to hear and understand the things spoken of by Paul when she was just sitting in a Bible study. And then you have in the opposite extreme of conversions, you have Saul of Tarsus himself on the road to Damascus and having to have scales for him over his eyes and all kinds of things that the Lord was using to just break him.

Yeah. Yeah, actually, we do have to go to a break. So hold your thought. And we're going to be right back after these messages. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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We are discussing during the remainder of this first hour, counsel for the awakened sinner, and then coming up, God willing, in the second hour, we'll be addressing the history of revivals in the second great awakening prior to Charles Finney.

And our email address, if you'd like to join us, is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com, and don't forget to always give us your first name, city, and state and country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

But you were saying before.

The break, if you could pick up where you left off, Tom. ...reaching in the 19th century, and he makes this thing, and chapters have been awakened during this revival, and Sprague says, loading himself, that he is guilty, and becoming more and more guilty, and the neglect he regenerated, or that's an amazing, and yet Christ is understanding that there may be an extended...

We have a listener in Dallas, Texas, Maggie, who says, I'm not certain how anyone can get so specific about the motivations that draw them to conversion. Only God knows the motivation of the heart. How is it possible to say that one is not saved unless they came to Christ out of love for Christ?

I came to Christ at seven years old because I wanted to, but also because I disliked my sin, later because I feared and loathed my sin, and was terrified of the loss of salvation through poor understanding.

Is it this kind of, you are not saved unless, dot, dot, dot, thinking, making it less monergistic and more synergistic? It's kind of interesting that you even brought up before how some might view what you're saying is Arminianism, but you.

Are clarifying that it was not. Let me ask you a question that relates to what you're saying.

There are some of our brethren who wrongly, and they have a very aberrant understanding of salvation that would be in contradiction to what has become known as lordship salvation. You may hear someone say, I came to Christ when I was seven.

I remember I was at a Bible camp, and the youth leader told everyone, if you want to go to heaven, raise your hand, and I went forward. I raised my hand, and I went forward as a seven-year-old boy, but then by the time I was 12, I was an unrepentant alcoholic, and then by the time I was 17, I was an unrepentant sexual deviant, and I lived that way for 25 years, and then one day I finally realized that I was a sinner in need of repentance, and I rededicated my life to Christ, and they will think that they were saved all those years, but in reality, they were damned.

They were still lost in their sins, dead in their sins, and they came to Christ in truth when they had that repentant heart that God had given them, but just because that person wrongly views their history of having been saved when they were seven does not mean that they're not saved now.

It just means that they're very, very wrong in the journey that took them to the place where they are now.

Is that making sense to you? I'm so glad you brought this misnomer, because Lordship Ephesians 118, Pope, your will was disinclined in your affection, and you're no longer, that's how they are able to cry.

Legal is not guilt. A good tree bears good fruit, but it's got to be there in song. Yes, as I was saying, a good tree bears good fruit. There's.

Going to be some kind of an immediate response to regeneration. Not that those fruits are meritorious in any way, shape, or form, but they are a necessary evidence of the justification.

That truly saves. Amen. And you're also not talking about sinless perfectionism as if.

There's not going to be any remaining sin in the true convert to Christ. I know that being a Reformed Baptist, you don't believe that a true convert cannot fall into a period of sin. Some people call that backsliding.

I'll put it, and I've narrated the 17 chapters of John Owen on indwelling sin. We have another listener. By the way, thank you so much, Maggie in Dallas, Texas. Keep.

Listening to the program and keep spreading the word about Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in Texas and beyond. We have, let's see, we have a listener all the way in Kinross, Scotland. That is Murray, and please be patient as I enlarge Murray's email because the font is microscopic, and at 55 years of age, I am still resisting buying expensive prescription glasses, and I've got to change that soon, I think.

This is Murray in Kinross, Scotland. I understand the interest and concern over the seeming lack of even an acknowledgment in modern writing that there is a possibility that God might leave a person under a period of conviction of sin before finding ease for the soul and conversion.

The only exceptions to this that I have found here in the UK are small denominations who seem to be rather heavily into introspection. Could a low view of God and a low view of sin be the answer as to why so few these days seem to have any concern for their souls at all?

When was the last time any of us heard someone weeping for their sins? Whilst we wouldn't want to wish a prolonged period of conviction of sin on anyone, do we have the right to assume that God will never use such means these days?

He's obviously.

Affirming what you're saying here that many people can audio books and they help you, they think a lot of times so on, and even the end of Philip. Now, we're going to a break right now,.

But I wanted to have you clarify something. Earlier on, you mentioned another book, and I don't know if we understood each other. I thought that you said that one of your pastors at Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids co-authored a book with Joel Beeky, and I've interviewed Pastor Greg Nichols many times.

Is this a different pastor? His name is Paul Smalley.

He has a master's degree in theology. Oh, Paul Smalley's at Grace Emanuel? Right. Oh, okay. I.

Attend Grace. And we'll have to have Pastor Smalley on as well. I've had, as you know, Pastor Nichols, I've had on a number of times, and in fact, I have even a number more dates set.

Up with him, I believe. I would only on your behalf for him to talk about this. Great. We'll.

Definitely speak with him, and I will definitely schedule something if he is interested in participating. We have to go to a break right now, and if anybody would like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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