August 25, 2017 Show with Tom Sullivan on “Counsel for the Awakened Sinner” AND “The History of Revivals in the 2nd Great Awakening (Prior to Charles Finney)”

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of August 2017.

I'm delighted to have back on the program a returning guest, Tom Sullivan,

who operates Voice in the Wilderness Radio, a network that airs Iron Sharpens Iron

Radio, and he also operates Puritan Audiobooks.

Today we are going to be discussing for the first hour, counsel for the awakened sinner,

and during the second hour, God willing, we are going to be addressing the history of revivals in the Second

Great Awakening prior to Charles Finney, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens

Iron Radio, Tom Sullivan.

And in studio with me is my co -host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, world.

It's good to be back.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail

.com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com, and please, as always, give us

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and please only remain anonymous if it's about a personal and private matter.

And before we go into the subjects at hand, Tom, since we last had you on

the program, I think that we have had an even greater explosion in

regard to the expansion of the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listening audience.

We're getting contacted either on the air or off the air every day, practically, with

rare exceptions by new people who have never listened to the program before, who just discovered it and have

fallen in love with it.

So there are a lot of people who are going to be totally unfamiliar, likely, with Voice in the Wilderness radio and

Puritan audiobooks.

Why don't you tell our listeners about those two entities?

Well, Voice in the Wilderness, to be honest with you, is just hanging by a

thread.

A number of these

on the internet to

put

my narrated

world in our works, and

then on top of

that

YouTube

enmity

against

this type of

Christianity.

And so it is to be

a sermon, audio

sermon

that is on

you.

Yeah,

these

are disturbing times.

It is amazing how liberals.

Really devolved into leftist totalitarians.

Liberals used to be crying out for an equal voice among many

in the public square.

Now they just want to snuff out everybody else's

voice.

So we definitely need, I mean, I'm sure that Iron Sharpens Iron Radio is going to be facing

similar kinds of conflict if they're not already happening, and I'm just not.

Aware of

it.

Yeah, it

sure did,

especially because some of those who have been in the throng of.

Nastiness, and some even slanderous, are people who

would wear the name Reformed, and it's really.

Disheartening.

Well, brother, if it's the foundation of what I want to talk, you

do have a large and growing audience, and I

also, and

we're

enjoying, I

think it is greatly misunderstood, and that is counseling the awakened

state in the outset that I'm only stating,

making anybody dry.

Sure.

The question is, the

date is in

the hands of an angry god.

I've only found,

and a man

named Stephen Williams, who was in the assembly, and

these two men, the crux of that

sermon was that had been awakened

at that

time, have

been a

path, and they

say, this

is my only

way out

of this,

personary

motive,

right

now, is to

get, you

mean one of

your

pastors

at

Grace

Emanuel?

Is a means to,

I'm

about to

teach a

Sunday

school

on Pilgrim,

some time before the evangelist talked

to

him with

that

burden on his

back from

John

Owen,

and this

person, and

Owen said, young man, pray.

In what manner

do you see, so

he said, in

some years when I had acquaintance with access,

till

the

Lord

was pleased to

relieve

my spirit

against

God,

requiring

to

make

men's

1700s, religion

and the soul by

physician, then

to our next subject,

and that is Asa Held Nettleton in the second grade

of Brooklyn.

Well, I guess you didn't hear me earlier, I was trying to ask you,.

When you said earlier that there was a book written on a matter involving this

issue by Dr. Beeky and one of your pastors, I interview one of your pastors quite often, as you know,.

Greg Nichols, but is this someone else you're speaking of?

Yes, we have a number of pastors,

masters.

Yeah, people might

automatically

think that you are talking about provenient grace or something like

that.

I'll imply that, you know, as

the

Armenians

use it, I'm saying

that the

antithesis, not in the act of regeneration, not ordinarily

regenerate a man until he, until in the use of the means of conviction, under

common grace, he has become conscious of his need of regeneration, who

inquires, how am I to obtain a new birth?

The thing am I to do, respecting it?

The answer is, find out that you need it, and that yourself, and

when you have found

this

out,

cry

unto

God, the

Holy,

makes men,

haven't

come

to Christ

that

way, I'm not converting, block to Jonathan Edwards, if you read his diary,

that for a while he lacked assurance.

Let's try to clarify this for a moment, just so nobody has the wrong idea.

You are, I'm sure, I know that you're a Reformed Baptist, you believe that there is one

gospel, there are not different gospels for different people, but the Lord, in

his providence and sovereignty, goes about drawing

different men to himself with different circumstances.

Like, for instance, you have a circumstance like the jailer

coming to salvation immediately after his prisoners have been

miraculously set free from their chains.

That very night, not only did he come to faith in Christ, but he was baptized.

And you have other people who it seems that their heart, over

years perhaps, being slowly chiseled away by the Holy Spirit before

you have someone finally collapsing to their knees and crying out to forgiveness.

So you're saying that there's one gospel, but there's different ways that God...

We're really not even talking about a regeneration.

What we are talking about in this is the

conviction

of

you

and I hold

the

scene

in

that

moment.

Well, one thing I think what you're saying, one

thing that our listeners should take great hope in from what you're saying is that just because

they themselves may have had the light switch turned on by

God very soon after they were evangelized, they should not lose hope

and lose heart and be terrified and filled with anxiety

when loved ones that they are evangelizing are not coming so quickly

to embrace Christ and his gospel.

First of all, being Reformed, we know that that is up to God.

We only plant seeds and water them, and God gives the increase, and he does so when he chooses.

But we are not to think that just because some people come quickly

that when others are taking years and years of either

openly and adamantly rejecting the gospel or just being indifferent, we shouldn't lose

all hope for their souls while they're still alive because they may be one of these cases that you're

referring to.

God is just choosing for his own reasons that may always be remaining in his own

mind until we're in eternity.

For some reason, he chooses to take a longer period of time to convict and to

soften.

The heart of a lost

person.

Well, she did not have any

extended time for

our next hour.

John Bunyan, some people think 18 months to five.

Virgin in his autobiography,

maybe as much as going

into that chapel.

And it's

under

the type

person who had heard Jonathan Edwards preach sinners in the hands of an angry.

After they have told them it is your duty to repent and believe there's

a means to that you

not but

the

evil that I

hate that

I do if then

I do that

which

I

would

not it is

no

long fiction and

sin where a person.

Right.

We have a

stark contrast,

for instance, in the

way.

Lydia, the seller of purple had her heart opened up to hear and understand the things

spoken of by Paul when she was just sitting in a Bible study.

And then you have in the opposite extreme of conversions, you have Saul of Tarsus himself

on the road to Damascus and having to have scales for him over his eyes and all kinds of

things that the Lord was using to just break him.

Yeah.

Yeah, actually, we do have to go to a break.

So hold your thought.

And we're going to be right back after these messages.

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This is Chris Sarnes, and if you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go

is Tom Sullivan, who operates Voice in the Wilderness Radio and Puritan Audiobooks.

We are discussing during the remainder of this first hour, counsel for the awakened sinner, and then

coming up, God willing, in the second hour, we'll be addressing the history of revivals in the second great awakening

prior to Charles Finney.

And our email address, if you'd like to join us, is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e

-n at gmail .com, and don't forget to always give us your first name, city, and state and country of residence if you live outside of the

USA.

But you were saying before.

The break, if you could pick up

where

you left off, Tom.

...reaching in the 19th century, and he

makes

this thing, and chapters

have been

awakened during this revival, and Sprague says,

loading himself, that he

is guilty,

and

becoming

more

and

more

guilty,

and

the neglect

he regenerated,

or

that's

an

amazing,

and

yet

Christ

is

understanding

that

there

may

be an

extended...

We have a listener in Dallas, Texas, Maggie, who says, I'm not

certain how anyone can get so specific about the motivations that

draw them to conversion.

Only God knows the motivation of the heart.

How is it possible to say that one is not saved unless they came to Christ

out of love for Christ?

I came to Christ at seven years old because I wanted to, but also because I

disliked my sin, later because I feared and loathed my sin, and was terrified of the loss of

salvation through poor understanding.

Is it this kind of, you are not saved unless, dot, dot, dot, thinking,

making it less monergistic and more synergistic?

It's kind of interesting that you even brought up before how some might view what you're saying is Arminianism, but you.

Are

clarifying

that

it was not.

Let me

ask you

a question that

relates

to what

you're

saying.

There are some of our brethren who wrongly, and they

have a very aberrant understanding of salvation that would be

in contradiction to what has become known as lordship salvation.

You may hear someone say, I came to Christ when I was seven.

I remember I was at a Bible camp, and the youth leader told

everyone, if you want to go to heaven, raise your hand, and I went forward.

I raised my hand, and I went forward as a seven -year -old boy, but then by the time I was

12, I was an unrepentant alcoholic, and then by the time I was 17,

I was an unrepentant sexual deviant, and I lived that way

for 25 years, and then one day I finally realized that I was a sinner in need of

repentance, and I rededicated my life to Christ, and they will think that they

were saved all those years, but in reality, they were damned.

They were still lost in their sins, dead in their sins, and they came to

Christ in truth when they had that repentant

heart that God had given them, but just because that person wrongly views their history of

having been saved when they were seven does not mean that they're not saved now.

It just means that they're very, very wrong in the journey that took them to the place where they are now.

Is that making sense to you?

I'm so glad you brought this

misnomer, because Lordship

Ephesians 118, Pope, your will was

disinclined in your affection,

and you're no

longer,

that's how they are able to cry.

Legal is not

guilt.

A good tree bears

good fruit, but it's got to be there in

song.

Yes, as I was saying, a good tree bears good fruit.

There's.

Going to be some kind of an immediate response to regeneration.

Not that those fruits are meritorious in any way, shape, or form,

but they are a necessary evidence of the justification.

That

truly

saves.

Amen.

And

you're

also

not

talking

about

sinless

perfectionism

as if.

There's not going to be any remaining sin in the true convert to Christ.

I know that being a Reformed Baptist, you don't believe that a true convert cannot fall into

a period of sin.

Some people call that backsliding.

I'll put it, and I've narrated the 17 chapters of John Owen on indwelling

sin.

We have another

listener.

By the way,

thank you

so much, Maggie in

Dallas, Texas.

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Scotland.

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This is Murray in Kinross, Scotland.

I understand the interest and concern over the seeming lack of even an acknowledgment

in modern writing that there is a possibility that God might leave a person under a period of

conviction of sin before finding ease for the soul and conversion.

The only exceptions to this that I have found here in the UK are small

denominations who seem to be rather heavily into introspection.

Could a low view of God and a low view of sin be the answer as to why so few

these days seem to have any concern for their souls at all?

When was the last time any of us heard someone weeping for their sins?

Whilst we wouldn't want to wish a prolonged period of conviction of sin on anyone, do we

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Affirming

what

you're

saying

here that

many

people can

audio books

and they

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lot of times

so on,

and

even the end of

Philip.

Now, we're

going to

a break

right

now,.

But I wanted to have you clarify something.

Earlier on, you mentioned another book, and I don't know if we understood each other.

I thought that you said that one of your pastors at Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids co -authored a book with Joel

Beeky, and I've interviewed Pastor Greg Nichols many times.

Is this a different pastor?

His name is Paul Smalley.

He has a master's degree in theology.

Oh, Paul Smalley's at Grace Emanuel?

Right.

Oh, okay.

I.

Attend Grace.

And we'll have to have Pastor Smalley on as well.

I've had, as you know, Pastor Nichols, I've had on a number of times, and in fact, I have even a number more

dates set.

Up with him, I believe.

I would only on your behalf for him to talk

about

this.

Great.

We'll.

Definitely speak with him, and I will definitely schedule something if he is

interested in participating.

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This is Chris Arnzen,.

If you just tuned us in.

Our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than an hour to go is Tom Sullivan,

and we are going to be entering into a second topic momentarily, the history

of revivals in the Second Great Awakening prior to Charles Finney.

We may have to wrap up a few matters in regard to counsel for the awakened sinner first, but

we'll be continuing our conversation with Tom Sullivan of Voice in the Wilderness

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willing, at the end of next month.

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Saturday, September 30th, and Sunday, October 1st.

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Phil Johnson, what a blessing to the body of Christ.

He is as well the executive director of John MacArthur's Grace to You ministry.

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And before we move on to the history of revivals in the Second Great Awakening prior to Charles

Finney, is there anything that you need to wrap up on the council.

For the

Awakened

Center?

Well,

first, because

we don't want people to

disappoint

our long

-term.

Great.

Well, we are beginning now our new topic, the second topic of the day, the history of

revivals in the Second Great Awakening.

If you could, before you even get into the meat of the topic, this may seem like a silly question,

but I don't think it is.

Could you define revival for us and then, after that, specifically

explain what the Second Great Awakening was in contrast to the.

First?

Well,

Robert,

sir,

maybe a time

came

in, so,

and it

become

multiple.

Bruce

Hampton

in

the days of

Jonathan Edwards.

Was the

Boston Revival when Boston broke free of the curse of Babe

Ruth in 2004?

Just

kidding.

Well, they

needed more than a revival.

I was just kidding.

It already has a bad name for it

from the

Connecticut

Evangelical

Magazine, but

there

were

others

already

narrated

because

they

wanted

to be part, and

ASA

helped in

and

affect

others.

Yeah,

like,

especially

when

somebody

is crying, you might feel that sympathy and begin to cry

yourself, or

at least

tear up.

As soon as I

began studying

the

institutional

history

of the

Presbyterian,

in

just

a few

years,

a

number

of them

wrote.

He doesn't name

him by name.

One of the people named

Davenport,

not merely by money, and he

became...

Oh yeah, is it the

Wolf of

Scotland?

...that Nettleton

hung on the wall there, and he looked for it.

He said, that's what history has done to Asa Held Nettleton.

It has forgotten this man.

God may be in the judgment of...

Yeah, in

fact,

I made an

error.

The John

Thornberry

book is God Sent Revival.

That's the book.

Right, right.

Yeah, John, I miss John dearly.

I haven't spoken to him in years, but he was one of my favorite

speakers at Bible conferences that I used to attend here in Pennsylvania, and I've interviewed him a number of times, but

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I've got to try to get him back on.

In fact, one of the best books he ever, or should I say, one of my favorite

biographies that I ever read by him was A Pastor in New York, The

Life and Times of Spencer Cohn.

I don't know if you've ever read that, but you've got...

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, and we are now in the final 25 minutes or so of our interview with Tom

Sullivan of Voice in the Wilderness Radio and Puritan Audiobooks.

We are discussing the history of revivals and the Second Great Awakening prior to Charles Finney.

If you'd like to join us on the air, the question of your own, now is the time to do it before we run out of time.

Our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

We have a question from Christopher from Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, and

Christopher asks, I have heard that revivals sometimes

have different means that are the catalyst, sometimes more predominant is the preaching, sometimes

more predominant is the praying.

Is this the case with the First and Second Great Awakenings?

Oh yeah, praise

God for

that.

Let's see,

we

have

RJ in White Plains, New York.

RJ in White Plains, New York says, what was it about the Second Great

Awakening that seems to have created the soil from which many of the cults sprang,

like Mormonism, Christian science,.

And

Adventism?

By

the

way,

why

the

hesitancy

to

include

Finney

amongst

them?

Because.

From what I have learned from the minor research I've done,

especially when I was preparing for an interview with my friend Jerry Johnson, who created and

produced an excellent documentary on Finney, it seemed to be clear from Finney's own writings that

he had more of a Pelagian gospel than Roman Catholicism has.

He seemed to be just, in fact, Jerry Johnson, I don't know if you would agree with this, he

called Finney a monergist, not a good kind of monergist, that

attributes all the glory to God for salvation, but he

attributed all the glory to man for salvation, and not even

enough of God's involvement to be considered a synergist.

I don't know if you agree.

With that.

I understand where

he's

coming from,

because we have

a BB in Cumberland

County,.

Pennsylvania, who asks, I don't know if you addressed this or not, but do you recommend.

Ian

Murray's

book, Revival

and

Revivalism?

Yeah,

I had

the

privilege

of

meeting

him as well.

He preached at a conference at Grace Reformed Baptist Church in Merrick, Long Island, where I used to be a member before relocating, and it

was a real joy.

In fact, his conference was on Revival and Revivalism, it was on his book.

It may have been right on the heels of that book coming into print

when he came out to the United States, and to specifically Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick.

In fact, he compares and contrasts Asahel Nettleton and

Charles Finney.

In that

book.

I

came from

Connecticut

and W .H.

Virginia.

Well, thank

you, BB.

So there's

your.

Answer.

Go out, if you don't already have it, get Revival and Revivalism by Ian Murray.

And, by the way, you can get that from Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, who happens to support Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

Go to cvbbs .com, cvbbs .com, and I'm sure

that either they have it in stock or they can certainly order it for you.

Well, if you could,

continue to compare and contrast true from false revival before we run out

of time.

And even the use of the term, you know as well as I, there are a lot of

fundamentalists and even Pentecostals and Charismatics who will actually announce

that they are having Revival this Sunday or something like that, which is a misuse of the term in its

authentic meaning.

If you could...

Well,

I

would

say

people

are

lying

around

in

the

congregation,

come

on

a congregation,

if you're

not, things going

on.

Yes, I can recall hearing my friend who just went home to

glory for eternity with Christ very recently, just a matter of days ago, Peter Jeffrey, who

was at one time the pastor of Sanfields in Port Talbot, Wales, the church

where Martin Lloyd -Jones once pastored.

Yeah, I know the name.

And he was discussing the Welsh Revival, how the owners of

mines were discovering tools and wheelbarrows and all kinds of things that were

being returned to the mines after they were stolen by the workers, because there was a change

of heart, a transformation in many of these people, and they were under the conviction of sin.

Well, I

heard...

Well, I want to make sure that you

have about five minutes of uninterrupted time.

To summarize everything that you want to say today before we run out of time.

I

really

would,

some of

the incredible print

on demand,

for

example,

to see young people who are hungry to

start...

Isn't one of the signs of a genuine revival not only

the evidence of repentance, but a lasting repentance?

You may have people who emotionally initially respond with what appears

to be repentance, people who start coming to worship services at a church that they,

beforehand, where they never darkened the doors of these places, and you have enthusiasm

about Christianity in some level, or perhaps just the religion,

an enthusiasm over religion because of the benefits of it.

But isn't...

Sometimes these things fade away rather quickly, and then the...

Leaving the evidence the revival wasn't really genuine.

Well,

I

would

think that

that

would...

Amen.

Well, I'm going to make sure that we have...

Our listeners have all of your contact information before we run out of time.

I know that the Puritan audio books, the

Puritan Reformed audio books can be found at puritanaudiobooks .net,

puritanaudiobooks .net, and Wilderness Radio can be found at wildernessradio

.com, wildernessradio .com.

Do you have any other contact information?

We have time

for one

more listener question.

Arnie in Perry County asks, There are some fundamentalists that I have met

who say that you should have absolutely no confidence in your salvation.

They might even go as far as saying that you're not saved with certainty if you do not remember

exactly when it was when you became born again.

And then I meet other people who have been raised in Christian homes, and they're

godly, and they're obedient, and they are, as far as the eye could see, loyal

disciples of Jesus Christ.

But they, having been raised in the faith, cannot pinpoint a time in their life where they had

a radical repentance from some scandalous or overtly wicked

behavior.

How do you react to these two contrasts of life?

Well, we're out of time, brother, and I want to thank you so much for being our guest today.

I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in.

I hope you all have a safe and God -glorifying weekend and Lord's Day.

If you don't have a church where you are a member, I hope that you start searching for one

this weekend and this Lord's Day.

And we look forward to receiving your questions for our guests next week.

But I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.