December 16, 2020 Show with Dr. Phillip Kayser on “December 25th Jewish-Style”

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And at the enthusiastic urging and recommendation of my dear friend, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, I have invited a first-time guest on today, who is a dear friend of Joe's, and that is Dr. Philip Kaiser.

He is an author, a board member at the Pickering Foundation of Biblical Preservation, professor of ethics at Whitfield Theological Seminary, and senior pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska.

Today we are going to be addressing one of Dr. Kaiser's books that is just in time for the holidays, December 25th Jewish Style, The Ancient Jewish Celebration Anticipating the Birth of Christ. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Philip Kaiser.

And before we go into a bit of summary of your own personal salvation testimony, which is something that we always do as a tradition here when we have a first-time guest, tell our listeners something about the Pickering Foundation of Biblical Preservation.

If anybody wants to find more information about that, you can go to pickeringfoundation .org, P-I-C-K-E-R-I-N-G-foundation .org. And now let us hear something about Whitfield Theological Seminary, where you serve as professor of ethics.

Yes, this is a place that many times never gets the interns in.

That website is seminary .reformed .info, seminary .reformed .info, and I have several close friends who have actually gotten their degrees from Whitfield Theological Seminary. And now, last but not least, tell us about Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska.

Oh, praise God. Well, if anybody wants more information about Dominion Covenant Church of Omaha, Nebraska, you can go to dominioncovenantchurch .com, dominioncovenantchurch .com. And as I mentioned earlier, what we do here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio when we have a first-time guest such as yourself, we like to have them provide a summary of their salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to Himself and saved them, and that would include you.

And so we would love to hear your story.

I grew up, and so that was imprint upon me. I looked at my life and realized if He chose to do so, He was perfectly just, but I just pleaded the merits of Christ, asked Him to save me from my sins. And from that day on, I began seeing the hand of the Lord bringing discipline into my life.

The first one was a remarkable one where the Lord prompted me to witness to somebody who was a blasphemer on half of my body. I submit, immediately it went away, and that was my testimony of the change in my life where God took me from a formal Christianity into being a regenerate Christian.

Praise God. And how did you come to discover and embrace Reformed theology?

Well, I was going to a Bible school up in Memphis.

Yes, my friend Mack Tomlinson introduced me to Convo.

I argued with it for a while. I was wrong systematically going through every loci.

Well, praise God for that, since I happen to be a Reformed myself. I'm a Reformed Baptist. I always love hearing that story. And just to let you know, since you brought it up, if anybody is interested in getting the biography of Conrad Merle that my friend Mack Tomlinson wrote, you can go to ConradMerle .com, ConradMerle .com, and that's spelled C-O-N-R-A-D-M-U-R-R-E-L-L .com, and you will find more about this very large hardcover biography written by my dear friend Pastor Mack Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

Well, I'll have to pick that up.

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And so now, this is a fascinating discussion that we are about to have on your book, December 25th, Jewish Style, The Ancient Jewish Celebration Anticipating the Birth of Christ. One of the reasons why it's fascinating to me is that all my life as an evangelical, I was raised Roman Catholic, and I was mercifully and graciously saved out of that false religious system by our sovereign Lord and brought into, thankfully, immediately, a Reformed Baptist congregation where I remained a member all the way until 2014 before relocating from New York to Pennsylvania where I joined a sister church of that church on Long Island, Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

But all my life as an evangelical, I had never heard anyone put any significance to the date of December 25th. I had heard that it was just merely, at one time, a pagan holiday of winter solstice and Christians adopted it.

I've heard that this was purely a holiday of the Church of Rome. And, of course, as you probably well know, there is a division amongst those in the body of Christ and perhaps even particularly in Reformed circles, there's a division on whether we should recognize the celebration of Christmas because some would say it is purely of pagan or Roman Catholic origin, not, of course, the incarnation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but the actual holiday attached to it and the date attached to it.

So, this is new information for me, and I would love to hear, first of all, what compelled you to even begin studying the subject and writing a book on it.

The Regulative Principle of Worship and Christian Liberty

So, I began reading. I've been reading these church fathers. I began discovering that Hislop was being thanksgiven as did Turretin and other Reformers. And so it's been a long, slow pilgrimage, and I decided I just have to study this.

Yes, and since we do have on occasion not only non-Reformed listeners but even non-Christian listeners in our audience,.

If you could give us a definition of the regulative principle of worship and compare it with the other views that have existed such as the normative principle and so on.

Yes, and from what I understand, the regulative principle of worship would take silence in the Scripture.

To be prohibitive to participate in something in a worship service, whereas the normative takes silence as a liberty. If there's no clear condemnation of it, the normative principle would say it is appropriate for you to be more creative, as it were.

And, of course, even those that claim to believe in the normative principle wouldn't believe that everything that people do these days in worship services is appropriate, which is one of the reasons I think that there comes a point when even those that reject the regulative principle say, OK, hold on a minute now.

Right. All liberties, all possibly given to evil, that makes automatic. This is what we're seeing happening in both terms. It used to be anything, but it's not.

How do you square, then, going back to the regulative principle, the celebration of Christmas in a church service, for instance, when we don't have an example of that clearly in the New Testament?

In fact, the Gospel of John is structured around the different readings of Scripture on different days. There could be people who choose not to celebrate on our nation, or days of, I would treat this as a day of Thanksgiving.

Questions About Christmas, Pagan Origins, and Church Practice

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And we do have a listener in Asheboro, North Carolina. Happens to be a very loyal and faithful listener of this program, who is also a very generous contributor to this program.

His name is Grady from Asheboro. And Grady says, greeting brothers, I have heard Christmas started as a pagan holiday. Do you know how the name came about? Old pagans started it to counterfeit Christmas, as Satan does sometimes.

Or is this just a rumor? I'm trying to figure out, did pagans start it to counterfeit Christmas? I'm not really sure what he means by that, but if you could...

Sure. I must, by all means, keep this coming feast in Jerusalem. If anybody were to impose the Jewish feast upon the church, then Paul would say, no way. Absolutely would not allow anyone's conscience to be judged by the Jewish festival.

Same with circumcision as a mandate. But with Timothy, when it was just an issue of reaching out to the Jews in terms of evangelism, he had no problem with circumcising him. So again, it was a liberty issue.

But the moment it becomes a religiously imposed day, then I would be opposed.

So let me have you clarify that. Because I don't know if this would fall under the category of imposed, in your opinion. Some would say it certainly would fall under the category of imposed. Because if you're sitting in the building where your worship services are occurring, and they are openly celebrating Christmas with greenery and Christmas carols that are obviously hymns and so on, someone might feel that that is being imposed upon them.

So exactly what do you mean by that? Do you actually have a recognition of the Christmas holiday in your worship services, or don't you? Because I couldn't really tell for certain.

Well, we don't have liberties. You can meet outside, sitting down like Christ did. So if the Bible gives liberty for the church to do so, even the circumstance where it's appropriate to have overhead words of a hymn projected up there, I think that's quite appropriate.

That's exactly what Moses did when they whitewashed the cliffs on both sides and painted words that were being read responsibly by the congregation. So there is, I think, some flexibility that the Bible allows within the church.

But if it doesn't allow that flexibility, then we would say we can't do it.

Now, are you saying this out of a personal conviction, but allow liberty in pastors and churches that would be openly celebrating Christmas in a worship service? Would you break fellowship with a church like that, for instance?

I would not.

And I'm assuming you'd be completely fine with singing hymns that are typically associated, perhaps even immediately, with Christmas. But they are not exclusively, and perhaps weren't even necessarily written exclusively, to be sung during the Christmas season.

I know that in the church where I was saved, we would sometimes sing songs that were known as Christmas carols in the middle of the summer, just because they were beautiful hymns. Great. Well, by the way, Grady, in Asheboro, North Carolina, make sure you give us your full mailing address again, because you have just won a free copy of the book that we are discussing, December 25th, Jewish style, The Ancient Jewish Celebration Anticipating the Birth of Christ.

And that is compliments of our friends at Dominion Covenant Church there in Omaha, Nebraska. So thank you very much for these gifts. And we have, let's see, we have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who says, Can you please explain the leap to go from Jesus' observing the Feast of Dedication to a Christmas celebration that specifically celebrates his birth?

And also, is not the importing of something like the Feast of Dedication into New Covenant worship too close to what might be considered Judaizing?

Well, he had earthly parents, he may have celebrated. He reminded me of someone who I've loved to hear preach. In fact, I've interviewed him at least a couple of times.

Baruch Maoz, have you ever heard of Baruch? Baruch Maoz is an Israeli. He was born in Judaism and was saved later on in his life, is a Reformed Baptist today, and has been for many years, probably much longer than he was involved in Judaism.

And he wrote a book, actually, called Judaism is Not Jewish. And he brings up some of the things that you mentioned that the modern Jewish people are doing things in a different way than that we read about in the Hebrew Scriptures.

They have adopted and changed and transformed things, very often connected with the rabbinical writings that are not God-breathed.

Very much so. Very Roman Catholic sounding. Yes.

Well, Baruch, when I interviewed him years ago on the old Iron Trump and Zion Radio broadcasting out of New York, I told him that I have enjoyed over the years going to churches that are Messianic, and sometimes even those that are not necessarily Messianic in their identity, but they still have Jewish celebrations and they point to Christ in these celebrations.

And it's interesting that Baruch, even though he is Jewish and an Israeli, he believes that those things, just as you were mentioning before, he believes those things should remain in the celebration of households and families, which he does.

He celebrates Hanukkah, he celebrates Passover, and all these major Jewish celebrations and feasts and holidays, but he does so in his home. He is one of the unusual folks coming from that background who does not believe in bringing it into the church.

So I told him I enjoyed going to Passover celebrations, for instance, that churches have had where they point to Christ in the Passover. And Baruch said, in a way that only Baruch Mose could say, he said, Well, Chris, I am not sure what exactly about these celebrations that you intended, that you actually enjoyed, but I can assure you the Passover that you experienced is not the one that our Lord and Savior Jesus celebrated.

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So make sure we have your full mailing address in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, I have heard pastors read Luke chapter 2 verse 8, which says, In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night, in reference to the Christmas story, the birth of Christ.

They will say that this verse is just one that would prove that Jesus was very likely not born in the winter, since the shepherds were outside and sleeping outside, and it must have been much warmer even in that area of the world.

Well, thank you, Harrison, and make sure we get your full mailing address, so that you will get in the mail a free copy of December 25th Jewish Style. And by the way, folks, we want to also thank Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, CVBBS .com, for shipping out these books to our winners at no cost to you, nor to Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

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