March 3, 2022 Show with Jono Sims on “The Centrality of the Local Church”

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I just wanted to Extend another prayer request from you who are listening for the health safety and well-being of my friend my cola Lily off ski. Who is professor of biblical theology and hermeneutics at Grace Bible Seminary in Kiev Ukraine?

And he's also a member of the leadership team at Grace Bible Church in Kiev. We had him on the program Tuesday March 1st live from Ukraine and He is still safe and sound. But we ask of you to continue to pray that he remains that way in addition to the faculty and students At Grace Bible Seminary and the congregation of Grace Bible Church in Kiev.

And of course, we ask of you to continue to pray for the entire nation of Ukraine during this frightening time in their History as the Russians are still there wreaking havoc and Involving themselves in terrorist activity but we we know that we can count on our Christian listeners in our audience to to pray for Ukraine and those whom I specifically mentioned today, I am so thrilled to have back on the program a Brother who I just saw and heard preach in person recently when I was at the true church conference in Muscle Shoals, Alabama for the first time in my life.

His name is Jono Sims aka Jonathan Sims and he is senior pastor at Shelbyville Mills Baptist Church in Shelbyville, Tennessee and today we are going to be addressing an extremely important theme a Theme that unfortunately and tragically There are many in the in the evangelical church at large when they hear a theme like this.

They may yawn with disinterest and apathy and indifference. But this is a really vital theme we are going to be addressing and perhaps it is so vital because of what I just said that there are many people who profess to be Bible-believing Christians that view our topic on one of the lower rungs of The latter of importance if not leaving it off the ladder altogether.

The theme today is the centrality of the local church and it's my honor and privilege To welcome you back to iron sharpens. I am radio pastor Jono Sims. And I want to urge my listeners If you live in Tennessee or if you're passing through Tennessee on vacation or on a business trip.

Or if you have family friends and loved ones in Tennessee Make sure you make the effort to visit the Church that I have been mentioning the outset of this program Shelby Mill Shelbyville Mills Baptist Church in Shelbyville, Tennessee and you will be blessed.

If you are a child of God, you will certainly be blessed by the preaching and teaching of pastor Jono Sims. I was Utterly blown away by this dear brother and I can understand readily now why Jeff Knoblet of Grace Life Church of the Shoals in Muscle Shoals, Alabama Continues to invite pastor Jono back year after year to preach at the true church conference and I I know that Our guest is probably embarrassed because he is a very humble man of God but I think We should give credit where credit is due and we should lift up and encourage our brethren, perhaps especially those in ministry When we know that they are faithfully serving our Lord God Savior and King Christ Jesus with the true Gospel and the true teachings of the inerrant word Why don't you tell our listeners about Shelbyville Mills Baptist Church in Shelbyville, Tennessee.

For 20 years on the other side. It's do you to praise God by the way folks?

I want to highly recommend a booklet very inexpensive booklet That you can purchase from Chapel library who brings back into print Book booklets that are excerpts typically of larger Volumes by great men of faith throughout history and this happens to be a fairly contemporary name James Adams not Jay Adams James Adams, he wrote a booklet called decisional regeneration and Because of our brother John O's mentioning that heresy that is prevalent throughout evangelicalism I just wanted to plug that booklet if you go to Chapel library org.

Chapel library org and if you type in the search engine at decisional regeneration by James Adams you can order that book, it's just a 24 page booklet and It's only 51 cents Per booklet, so it's well worth it and Also, I want to make sure that our listeners have the website for the church where our dear brother is serving as the undershepherd over God's people SMBConline .com.

SMBConline .com and that of course stands for Shelbyville Mills Baptist Church SMBConline .com and hopefully I'll remember to repeat that later on. Well brother as you know Unfortunately, we had a mishap Technologically last time you were on the program and I was so upset was one of those days when I had to Go back to where the rubber meets the road In regard to what I actually believe about the sovereignty of God God having sovereign control over all things, but the last program that we Had featuring you as a guest the very first time you were on the show The interview was not recorded due to some mishap that we have no idea my webs master.

And I have no idea how that happened. But we usually ask our first-time guests to give a summary of their salvation testimony and even though this is your second time on the program since it wasn't recorded last time if you could please give us a summary of the religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and What kind of providential circumstances are sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you?

Absolutely, I came through the ice and it is this change in my life. There was. Why did you get baptized the second time? Well, I made to profession even though you were not in your.

Recognizing in your own life any kind of real change of heart.

That's right. I mean, you know preached came and a revival don't hail. I was going to go to hell. Had no intention of so another. Again, I'm doubting myself at me and he said well John. Oh, you need to.

God does not practice my life. My life was a consistent practice. The only way I know how to explain it is I came under help and kind of counsel myself. Well, I'm saved and and you know Baptist taught me once saved always saved.

Obviously, I believe in the perseverance of the Saints all obvious. I believe in eternal security. But the way the doctrine quote of once saved always saved was was taught to me was basically You're saved.

And so you shouldn't look you shouldn't examine your life. You shouldn't look at this sin in your life because you're saved that's settled.

All right, what they really mean is once you think you're saved you're always safe, which is not necessarily.

Would say well now when you prayed that prayer. Did you mean it? I mean that that becomes the evidence of salvation rather than I mean every time I would get around a Brother that was faithfully fiction and my wife United Methodist Foundation and she was questioning me, but I couldn't really help her.

One night brother came unbearable. I was actually at a Bible conference. I left that conference and went out to my father-in-law's van and opened up the scriptures and man I just wrestled back and forth and all I can tell you brother is the hand of God was so heavy.

Yeah, it just God just broke me been made a new creature. And I knew there was no turning back and from that point at age 25 up until this very day. I'm 58. Though I'm not perfect. I would say that man.

My life has been radically different. It's been one of obedience and loving Christ and Christ is the Lord of my life he's the joy and the rejoicing of my heart and it's just an honor and a privilege to follow Jesus Christ, but you know, and I wouldn't have been.

I've been but man, I Experienced it and I've been walking in life since that day.

Amen and To compare that with decisional regeneration a lot of our listeners may not be familiar with that term but The the emphasis with decisional regeneration is man is what is going on in the mind and heart and out of the lips of the sinner who believes he is becoming a child of God merely by walking down an aisle and repeating a prayer.

And the vast difference between the regeneration that actually transforms a sinner is What you eventually? Thanks be to God experienced and and doesn't the the former the decisional regeneration. It is really Very close and I know I may be insulting a lot of people But it's very close to The way those who are involved in the occult view spells and and You know, it could almost be described as magic because as long as you Recite these magic words about being a sinner and needing a Savior and you accept Jesus into your heart.

You're safe according to many of these folks. Now, obviously there are different varieties of people that have altar calls and Would fall under the umbrella of decisional regeneration heresy, but at the same time it's really a Bizarre way for those who are biblically literate to view salvation, isn't it?

Absolutely brother. And they teach and basically in effect or if you get as they say Baptized for the remission of your sins, you know, it always comes down to Something man does something man says Something man does to quote activate, you know.

The saving grace of God and and that view of faulty Understand made a gym whether or not you want to expect just make your mind up one day that you want to accept that general offer and Bing bang boom you're saying the corrupt me my life because I had this fault saved always saved.

I can do whatever I want to do, you know and It's just a deadly trap.

Yes, and I thank God that the Lord has brought a number of people in the Church of Christ to a grace centered grace focused understanding of salvation and have abandoned the the legalism of the view of Baptism being required for the remission of sins Water baptism and It's interesting when when you view whether it be somebody who believes that they need to be dunked or sprinkled or Their magic words when they go up forward to at an altar call as they they refer to them.

They think these folks that a sinner Before he was regenerate would even want to be saved like Like in the Church of Christ or many of those congregations the the man or woman or Older child is standing waist-high in a pool of water Waiting to Be incorporated into the Church of Christ and to be saved and to be born again and they think that that person who is standing waist-high in that water is lost at that moment and Why on earth would a lost person and a person who is dead in their trespasses and sins a person was a heart of stone.

They wouldn't be wanting these things. They wouldn't have any interest in being connected to Christ and and Being born again other than some kind of benefit typically earthly benefit that they think they are getting by being religious or a Sav of the conscience that they have a one-way ticket to heaven of course the Most in the Church of Christ believe you can lose your salvation.

They don't believe that that would be a one-way ticket to heaven, but but it's really the It is really beginning with a very flawed view of man the nature of man, isn't it?

Well, they're 100 is convention for but what we've seen but my whole life. Decades and decades and then a patent called of God. He's committed to preach. It's all-out war because you have so many and now they're deacons on committees.

That's the way most Baptist churches are structured like that. And it's just a stranglehold and chokehold on the church and it all begins with this faulty view of salvation. That you walk an aisle pray a prayer make a decision and you know.

You're saved and I think back to what you were talking about earlier. I think the motive is. This is just my experience. I think the motive is it's almost like life insurance or health insurance. Let's get this wrapped up.

Let's get our hell insurance. Let's get that settled get that nailed down. You come on make this decision get baptized. Okay now you got that settled. Okay, we'll go on with life now and Most people that's what they do.

Well, just like I bought life insurance just like I bought health insurance. I've got I've got heaven insurance now got that settled. Let's just go on with life and forget about it and and the and you look at their Membership and you look you look at their commitment to Christ.

It's pretty obvious. That's what it is. Yep, and.

Even our more More serious Roman Catholic friends who are enslaved by a false gospel the more serious Roman Catholic even acknowledges that the vast majority of Roman Catholics have the same mindset. All's they have to do is go to confession.

And have the sacrament of penance and doesn't matter what they have done Before and it doesn't matter what they do after as long as they get the confession again. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

It can be the sacrament of the Eucharist. It can be the sacrament of water baptism. Or it can be the sacrament or walk in the aisle and pray in the prayer. What if Satan care as long as he carries a soul to hell, you know, right and and and right.

That's the problem with this whole Armenian man sent to gospel of Jesus Christ.

No, and I don't know if you know who the late Richard Bennett was a dear friend of mine for decades. He was a native of Ireland and a Roman Catholic priest For quite a number of years and God saved him and he became a reformed Baptist evangelist and apologist and author.

A founder of the Berean beacon. But I had the privilege of seeing him and hearing him Preach in person a number of times. And he was actually in a fundamentalist church that practiced the altar call. And He said from the podium What is? this nonsense about the altar call where you're.

Calling upon people to invite Jesus into your heart he said. As a Roman Catholic, I Invited Jesus into my heart and even my mouth and stomach through the Eucharist every day didn't make me any more saved than I was before.

And This whole concept of inviting Jesus in your heart is not even a biblical one. Jesus wants to remove the hearts of his people His elect who are lost. He wants to remove their hearts and does and replaces their hearts of stone with hearts of flesh.

Doesn't it ask for us to invite him into our rock hard wicked heart?

Yes, when you examine the motive the heart it's all based upon the quote, you know choice.

Amen, and as my friend pastor Bill Shishko who is an Orthodox Presbyterian minister has said In reality Arminians are non liturgical Roman Catholics. Now I want to quickly add to that to my Arminian friends listening.

I know that many of you are dear dear brothers in Christ, and I know pastors Who are not reformed who I love so deeply who care So deeply about the souls in their congregation and they are not Vehement anti sovereign grace men, they just don't understand all of the Specifics that are really behind What we see visibly and physically when someone comes to Christ they just don't understand the invisible end of God's sovereignty.

But I know I don't want to broad brush all my Arminian friends because there are even some of them. Especially when they're pastors that I know Who if there was not a sovereign grace believing church around or if the sovereign grace believing churches?

Had horrible dictatorial pastors. I would join where they are pastoring. So I just wanted to make that clear and I'm sure you agree that we don't want to broad brush.

The our true brethren amongst those ranks. No, I was still there. God is sovereign enough to say. But when you read his son God-centered and if you just picked up one of his starts many of his sermons and read them.

You would think you were reading the Calvinist especially the hymns that he and his brother Charles wrote.

Yeah, but but brother they were God-centered. They weren't man-centered and that's the right like you're talking about whom we love. Some of that man is way way way off, you know, of course, I think that's what we're talking about.

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We are addressing a very important theme in the body of Christ the centrality of the local church. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Let's see we have Austin in Whitehouse, Tennessee. How far or how close is Whitehouse to Shelbyville Mills brother?

I'm thinking okay. Well, if you're not already in a.

Biblically solid. Church home. Austin. We strongly urge you to look up our dear brother at the Shelbyville Mills Baptist Church. But he asks. I have a question regarding communion. I See here. I have a friend who attends a different church than I.

He explained to me his concerns about his church's Communion practice. He said that they had communion only twice in the last five months. He has come to the conviction that communion should be practiced weekly.

Because of his church's communion practice. He is wondering if communion can be practiced at home. So can believers particularly a family practice communion at home. And if so then where is the line drawn between the spheres of church and family.

Our Ministers the only ones to administer the sacraments. What are the scriptural proof texts? Thank you your brother in Christ Austin from Whitehouse, Tennessee.

Believe that John MacArthur, you know, and that's what we mean by Excommunication is that if a brother one of the local charity and authority in comes a member of the local church talks about Receipt is what to be of that local church.

And of course, I'm.

Assuming you would believe that when you refer to the church, you're not talking about the building because a Congregation if a house is large enough can gather. At someone's house where they may have a swimming pool to have a baptismal service in the church building does not have such a font available.

So I'm assuming that you would think that that would be okay if a congregation gathered for instance.

One summer afternoon and someone's backyard and there was a baptismal service in the pool. All right, right. That's what I mean. Local church is if that yeah, if they're a local church, right? Yeah, as long now, how about the other question about our ministers the only ones to administer the sacraments.

I've been in Biblically sound churches where you may have a deacon. Baptizing someone might even just be a man who is a man of a high respect of very credible profession in the Congregation whose child is being baptized.

When I say child. I mean a child of an age where you can Have confidence their profession is is genuine. Is that acceptable in your opinion or must it be the pastor or an elder of the congregation?

Well. Make sure unlike my test of what genuine conversion is that as best we can we are human and we're fallible so we can miss things but as best we can discern through the Scriptures and speaking with this person that they have indeed been born again.

And that's a process, you know that that we take very seriously here. And then we would baptize baptize them and then one of the pastors would oversee the Lord's Supper Service and our and so I'm just anyone That wants to baptize or just anyone that wants to go somewhere and administer The Lord's Supper because I think these things operate under the watch care and the authority of the elders to make sure that the you know that fidelity to the Word of God is being held up and.

How would you respond to churches that would send? At least a small group from the congregation to a nursing home where you have an elderly person who is not able physically to Venture beyond the the The four walls of that nursing home and they want to obey Christ in baptism.

They want to be immersed and there are Facilities at that nursing home where that person can be immersed.

As a believer our deacons the Lord's Supper to and certainly if there was someone that was converted and They are not physically able, you know to make it to the church. We would baptize them there. But again, that's under the authority of the church.

Not just some freelance guy out here, right? You know his doctrine and preaching and practice and so but see I see those things as operating under the authority of the local church and. So we we actually do things.

I'm so glad to hear that because I.

Disagree with it seems I may be wrong on this, but it seems that the majority of reformed Baptist With whom I had had conversations about this Do not bring the Lord's Supper to nursing homes. Now I can understand perhaps being opposed to it if it's just one person doing it, but if you're you know having having a group or even a small one from a local congregation bringing the Lord's Supper to a Shut-in a homebound person or a nursing home.

I just don't see The biblical conflict with it at all. In fact, I wonder why they think it's okay to deprive Someone who is a shut-in a homebound or a nursing home resident from a very important ordinance of the church.

One thing the name is Joshua and and by the way, brother He's even gotten us know if you search for the faithful expositor. Podcaster. Really great, but we've started whenever we have the Lord's way the way we do it.

If if this is available to them if it's not we we do it and that's like what you're talking about. But we take some means in communion here point if they're able to in fact.

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