Great Christian Biographies with John Piper: Athanasius Part 3

We must not treat these two principles Become all things to all people and Be transformed in the renewing of your mind we must not treat those two principles as sequential they start and Continue together

We must not assume that the first and basic truths of the Christianity fit in the fallen human unbelieving mind

Like okay, we start we just start this is 101 and it fits it doesn't fit if it fits it isn't the truth

Fallen human minds don't like 101 201 301 or 401

We must not assume that these truths can be contextualized in Categories of thought that are already present in the minds of 21st century

Unbelieving people and only later after they become Christian Can we begin to alter their way of thinking with more advanced truth as though the advanced doesn't fit and the basic fits it doesn't

It's not the case From the very beginning we are speaking to them

God -centered Christ exalting truths that shatter fallen human ways of thinking

We must not shy away from this we must go after this and advance this to help our people by the grace of God Get new

Categories in their heads for understanding the basics and the advanced parts of the gospel from the beginning in the most winsome way possible

We must labor to create new categories, give me a give you six or seven here they go number one

God rules the world of bliss and Suffering and sin right down to the roll of the dice the fall of a bird the driving of a nail into the son's hand yet Though he will such sin and suffering he does not sin, but he's perfectly holy

There's a category to blow your brain It is not sin to will that sin happen that is a category that must be in people's heads

Eventually and very near the front end or they do not embrace the biblical God Number two

God governs all The steps of all people both good and bad at all times and in all places

Yet such that all are accountable before him and will bear the just consequences of his wrath if they do not believe in Christ category number three

All people are dead in their trespasses and sins and are not

Morally able to come to Christ because of their rebellion yet They are responsible to come and will be justly punished if they don't category number four

Jesus Christ is one person with two natures divine and human such that he upheld the universe by the word of his power while living in his mother's womb category number five

Though committed by a finite person and in the confines of finite time

Sin is nevertheless deserving of an infinitely long punishment because it is the sin against an infinitely worthy

God and Number six the death of the one

God man Jesus Christ So displayed and glorified the righteousness of God that God is not unrighteous

Proverbs 17 15 notwithstanding to declare righteous ungodly people who simply trust in Jesus Those are the kinds of mind -boggling category shattering truths that demand our best thought our most creative labors

We must speak them in a way that by the power of the word and the spirit which will

I'm sure here tonight Create a place in the brain For them to find a home and you can't do that brothers.

That's the only way to grow a church is to change the way people view the universe and everything in it

We must not preach only in the categories that are present in our listeners minds when they come if we do we betray the gospel and Conceal the glory of God Finally last lesson and the one that I have enjoyed most and the one that I give most thanks to Athanasius for We must not assume that old books

Which say some startling things are necessarily wrong

But may in fact have something Glorious to teach us that we never dreamed.

I was warned by numerous folks last year to watch out for Athanasius and they listed off all the defects and that's one of the reasons

I put the title in the folder that you were sent and I didn't find the problems as bad as I was told and I've collected gobs and gobs of texts on irresistible grace and on the fall and on the atonement that To me make

Athanasius squarely Orthodox on those as well But I'm not going to go there.

I'm just going to go to the most controversial one That is thrown up Immediately when you say you're gonna go back to the father, especially the

Eastern fathers and start profiting. They say whoa Don't you realize they taught I said, well, have you ever read them given the idea what that word means and the word is

Deification deification Divinization, here's some quotes from Athanasius the

Sun Was made man that we might be made

God Well, I can see you jerking that one out and saying heresy

I'll use this guy dangerous Or He was not man and Then became

God, but he was God and then became man to deify us the

Greek word is that ah poyeth omen That a poya.

Oh, they're easy right make God But is it clear That you make a

God make God's me make divines make like God, but what is that our point?

I mean, is that really obvious? I mean so quickly we write off a person because they say something with categories.

We don't use You got to get inside Athanasius head and figure out what are you saying?

What do you mean this troubles me? that you say God became man that man might become

God. That's a troubling thing and those guys didn't bat an eye I mean were they really that heretical?

Why aren't you batting eyes at this? and then you find second

Peter 1 4 which says that you may become partakers of the fit us

Fouset Oh Divine nature Anybody want to call

Peter a heretic? here's the way

Athanasius explains that and other passages in John It's beautiful John then thus writes

Hereby know we that we dwell in him and he in us because he hath given us of his spirit and the

Son is in the Father as his own word and radiance but we apart from the

Spirit are strange and distant from God and by the Participation of the

Spirit we are knit into the Godhead So that our being in the

Father is not ours, but is the spirits Which is in us and abides in us

What then is our likeness and equality to the Son the Son is in the

Father in one way and we become in him in another and that neither we

Shall ever be as he nor is the word as we Hmm hmm, so maybe he's not so far off in fact

Might he not be seeing something we need to see in dealing with 2nd

Peter 1 4 or Romans 8 29 those whom he foreknew he predestined to be

Conformed to the image of his son that he might be the firstborn

Among many brothers. I mean, this is a shocking thing to say I am the brother of the second person of the

Trinity that ought to shock us He's my brother I'm in the family that's a shocking thing

So don't get been out of shape too quick with that up. Oh, yeah. Oh until you know.

Oh How valuable to read old books or maybe he was thinking about Revelation 2 26

We're using the Old Testament reference to the Sun's rule We are told if we conquer we will rule the nations with a rod of iron

Whoa, wait a minute. That's supposed to be spoken of Jesus and is spoken of us or even more amazing

Revelation 3 21 when you conquer you will sit with me on my throne

That's unbelievable How do you do this That's heresy

If it weren't in the Bible That we're gonna sit on the throne.

We're gonna judge angels now

So, what do you do you read the whole book a little princess here

C .s. Lewis wrote the introduction for on the incarnation by Athanasius.

I Don't know whether that is in print Anywhere but it's all over the internet you can just type in C .s.

Lewis introduction on the incarnation and you can read it takes ten minutes to read and He argues in there that this book as a classic is more readable than all the books that have been written about it in last 2 ,000 years

And we're scared away from old books. He says because we think because they're old they're inaccessible

And he said the reason they're classics is because they're so accessible Books that are not accessible die

They go out of existence books that keep getting read generation after generation are called classics because they're readable

But you if you try to read the the PhD dissertations about them

They're totally unintelligible and so Lewis is pushing on us and you remember this quote

He said that every third book you read should be outside your own century.

That's really good advice because Here's his rationale Every it's not because the the early ages had no blind spots.

They just had different blind spots and So they tend to correct ours we can see there's pure No problem, but you might bump into something you'd never seen before because of the blind spots

He said it's something like in 200 years The common errors in our

Centuries right in 20th century will be shared by Hitler and President Roosevelt and They don't have a clue that they're making the same mistake because it's just in the air.

Oh Brothers let's read old books. He said it would be just as fine to read books

Two centuries from now, but you can't get at them yet The only option we have for not being in our own blindness is old ones new ones, you know written in 2220 would be just fine read those but if you can't get at them

And so the only way to be free from the blindness of our own times is to read old

Books and and I'm bearing witness to the preciousness of this last point Because he has helped me so much

I feel like I've I've gone farther and I'm just gonna share with you where I am right now and then you

Interact tomorrow at the by writing your questions for the panel tomorrow, but moving toward a conclusion here.

Here's my last It's the same we're on the same lesson The old books will possibly reveal something beautiful to you.

And here's the question deification raised for me

I Saw and then I read it in this book that deification is the

Eastern Church word for glorification in the West and if you think through Glorification, it's just as problematic

Because of the glory we're talking about is God's and to be glorified

Is not to be praised. It doesn't mean just God's gonna praise you It means you're gonna and that's

Have it be it see it and that's the question That's the question and thinking about this question has been huge for me

So the question is what is the ultimate end of creation? What's the ultimate end of God in creating and redeeming and I began by asking this?

Is it being or is it seeing that your wheel spin now?

Go with me where I have been for the last several days Is it being or is it seeing that we are destined for ultimately?

How do Romans 8 29? predestined to be Conformed to the image of his son relate to John 17 24 father.

I Desire that they also whom you have given me may be with me where I am to see my glory

How does relate to each other? Conformed the being language and the seeing language of the beatific vision of God Which is the ultimate goal should

I be excited about what I'm gonna be or what I'm gonna see and Athanasius helped me here.

I thank God for Athanasius here. I don't know anybody else talking about this, you know So I got help

I'm inclined You may have heard me say it. I'm inclined to stress seeing

Rather than being that's my present bent in my system development

It's always being developed. I want to know more. I want to fix what's not right.

I want to Enlarge my view of God and universe and Right now

I'm in a place where I am emphasizing seeing because of John 17 24 and because he helps me in so many ways

Athanasius wouldn't let me be content, right? He's pushing on me He's pushing on me with texts about deification

Glorification Being language. He's pushing on me and and I'm struggling and I want to be biblical

Don't don't want to just defend my system, I want to be shaping the system biblically all the time so Athanasius won't let me run away from biblical texts that stress the language of deification and glorification

Conformity to his image me becoming something like that So here's my present conclusion the ultimate end of Creation is neither being nor seeing but delighting and Displaying the ultimate end of creation is neither being nor seeing

But delighting and displaying delighting and displaying the glory of God in the face of Christ and the displaying happens both in the delighting since we glorify most what we delight in most and in the deeds of the resurrection body that flow from this delight in the glory of God the display of God's glory

Will be in the end internal and external It will be spiritual and physical

We will display the glory of God by Christ exalting joy in the glory of God in the face of Christ and By Christ exalting deeds done with our resurrection bodies

Creative things writing and making and building and playing all manner of working and relating and talking and singing and thinking

There will be deeds done in the final state That will be external and visible and they will flow from a heart ravished

With Jesus Christ, therefore, I must now ask this question

How shall I speak of? future being and seeing if I've said being

Piper's being your being anything and my seeing and you're seeing anything are not the ultimate aim of God in Creation, but you're delighting and you're displaying are

The ultimate ends what shall I say? How shall I talk about the being and the seeing?

and here's my Effort by the

Spirit of God Who dwells in us? Our final destiny is not self -admiration or self -exaltation but being

Able to see the glory of God without disintegrating and being

Able to delight in the glory of Christ with the very delight that the father has in his own son

That's as close to deification as I get and being able to do visible

Christ exalting deeds that flow from this Delight and in this way in being that kind of person able to see able to delight able to do things that come from and flow back to God a wave of revelation of divine glory in the

Saints is set in motion that goes on and grows for all eternity as each of us sees

Christ and delights in Christ with the delight of the father mediated by the

Spirit we will overflow with visible visible actions of love and creativity on the new earth and in this way

We will see the revelation of God's glory in each other's lives in ever new ways

New dimensions of the riches of the glory of God in Christ will shine forth

Every day from new delights and new deeds and these in turn

Will become new seeings of Christ and will elicit new delights and new doings

Which will become new seeings which will produce new delights and new doings and they will produce more

Seeings and the wave will roll on forever and ever and ever with the revelation increasingly of the riches of the glory of God which now

Brings us back to ask help once more from Athanasius and he gives it

We will discover in the ages to come that this

Goal was possible only Because the infinite

Son of God took on himself a human nature So that we in our human nature might be united to him and display more and more of his infinite glory

We will find in our eternal experience That his infinite beauty took on human form

So that our human form might increasingly display his infinite beauty

I am thankful to God that I did not turn away

From Athanasius and the word deification

There is here. This is a quote from Calvin There is here at this word and 2nd

Peter 1 for a grace the magnitude of which our minds can never fully grasp

Thank You Athanasius and Thank You Father and Thank You Holy Spirit in Jesus name

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