Highlight: Christian Response to The Baldwin Incident
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This is a highlight of our premiere webcast Apologia Radio. In this highlight we talk about the incident on the set of the movie Rust. What happened is tragic and we consider it in light of a Christian Worldview.
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- 00:00
- The situation with Alec Baldwin on the set of Rust in New Mexico. He killed the cinematographer by shooting a weapon that had a live round in it.
- 00:10
- Yes. And he injured somebody else. Correct. Somebody else was injured. I believe so.
- 00:16
- And Matt, that's where we need Matt. OK, so Matt, fill us in on the details that you know about the situation.
- 00:21
- And let's hear you speak to it. By the way, Matt is our director. Matt's a genius, super talented, and he's been in the film industry and in this entire industry for how long,
- 00:31
- Matt? Like 30 years plus, 30 plus years. So something like this hasn't happened for over 30 years with the last person that was shot on set like this was
- 00:40
- Brandon Lee. Yeah. And so that's right. The industry overall is pretty safe, but they did not follow rules on this set at all.
- 00:50
- There there's a hierarchy. You have the director and then you have the AD, which is the assistant director.
- 00:56
- And that man is in charge. A woman is in charge of all the things, all the operations that are going on. He's like the lieutenant to, you know, to the captain.
- 01:03
- Right. And so he's he's responsible for everything that really does happen.
- 01:08
- But then you have also a prop master who's in charge of all the props. Then you have the armorer who's underneath the prop master.
- 01:15
- And so all these people actually down the line are culpable for what happened, I believe. So there's no way no how there should be any live around on a movie set like that.
- 01:26
- And they I think they found around 500 shell casings around the set and on the set of live rounds that were shot for target practice, basically.
- 01:34
- Oh, wow. Yeah. So from from what I understand, I'm at if I'm wrong, is I'm correct me. But basically he someone gave him a gun.
- 01:42
- He thought it was loaded with a blank or was ready for the AD. The AD said it was a cold gun, which means that in no way that should have hurt anybody.
- 01:51
- Yeah. And so I don't know if he was like point at the cinematographer, like actually filming or if it was practice or whatever, but it had a live round and then he shot her, you know, and she died and just a horrible tragedy.
- 02:07
- And the reason I wanted to bring this up was just I mean, it's obviously in the news a lot. And I think the thing that's been been hard for me to kind of witness is just the people that are like wanting to like burn
- 02:18
- Alec Baldwin to the ground over this. Especially Christians. You know, and I thought it was a good opportunity to talk about the law of God and manslaughter and kind of, you know, what that should look like in the eyes of God and what should the punishment be and stuff like that.
- 02:31
- And obviously there's it's under investigation right now. So it's we don't know all the facts. But, you know, obviously,
- 02:36
- I'll tell you what I think of Alec Baldwin. I don't there's a lot of problems I have with him personally and the things that he says on his own.
- 02:44
- I think he's a brilliant actor. I think he's extraordinarily talented. And I think in this situation,
- 02:50
- I feel you. I've seen people mocking, making jokes about I mean, even like the very day of the of the shooting where she died.
- 02:58
- You saw people coming out immediately with memes like mocking the situation. I was like, definitely too soon. It's a human being that was killed here.
- 03:06
- Nothing is funny about that. And and people just took I don't like Alec Baldwin's politics.
- 03:12
- So I'm going to go ahead and, you know, make light of his his plight. And I think that that is that is a deplorable way to behave in a situation like this.
- 03:21
- My own thinking in this case is anybody who owns a firearm and uses firearms is generally very, very cautious, careful, aware of what's going on with your weapon.
- 03:39
- I've got a weapon in my bag right now. I can tell you everything about it. I can tell you how many rounds are in that in that.
- 03:44
- I can tell you when those were placed in there. I could, you know, put fresh rounds in there. I can tell you exactly when
- 03:50
- I can tell you what kind of rounds are in there. Special kind of hollow point bullet for self -defense.
- 03:57
- Everything about it. And I can tell you whether something's in the chamber right now or not, because I'm super careful with it at all times.
- 04:03
- I know at all times whether I have something in the chamber or whether I don't, I'm always aware of what's going on with my weapons.
- 04:11
- We just had a leadership retreat and we took a bunch of our guys out to the desert and children out to the desert to go target practice and shooting.
- 04:22
- And even in a situation like that, you're among friends and you're with kids and you guys are there to have a good time.
- 04:28
- But there's someone always designated to run that line where there's going to be shooting.
- 04:34
- There are calls to like cease fire that the zone is hot at the moment that, you know, live rounds are going to be coming from here.
- 04:42
- There's always time and space between like getting someone to the line. There's just always an awareness of your surroundings and space.
- 04:50
- And there's always instruction given. There's always a checking of your magazine. Like, you know, how much do
- 04:56
- I have in there? Is there something in the chamber right now? You're just constantly aware. And so what I think would have benefited someone like Alec Baldwin, who is is is so opposed to like gun rights and those sorts of things.
- 05:07
- He's all about gun control. What would have helped him would been to actually lived in this world where people are responsible with weapons, because then they wouldn't be in a place like he is.
- 05:17
- I because there could be extra safety. I'll put it this way. OK, here's what I'm getting at. If it were
- 05:22
- I think I think I could speak confidently if it were Luke or me or any other responsible gun owner who was on a set with a gun.
- 05:29
- And I knew that the barrel of that gun was going to be pointed at another human being. You better believe that responsible gun owners would would have pulled out the magazine or check the chamber, seen what was inside their gun, check the ammunition, because you are always aware.
- 05:44
- Like what's what's the rule about a weapon? You always treat it as though it's loaded. Right. If there's if you're ever around any gun whatsoever, you always even if you're sure it's empty, you're always supposed to double check, triple check to make sure because you always treat every single weapon as though it's loaded.
- 06:05
- Right. Accidents will happen at times because somebody picks up a weapon that they assume doesn't have a live round in it.
- 06:11
- Right. They think I'm pretty confident this thing is safe. It's good to go. And the next thing you know, they hit the trigger.
- 06:17
- Something happens. Someone dies. Someone gets injured. So that's why the rule is there. Always treat every single weapon as though it's loaded.
- 06:25
- It has a live round. It's ready to fire. And you never aim your gun at something or someone that you do not intend.
- 06:33
- To shoot. Right. Right. And so like if you're going to aim a gun at a human being, like you got to know what's in this gun, why am
- 06:39
- I doing this? And I know he's acting for a movie. But the point is, is a responsible gun owner who's actually been around guns is is appreciates the danger of guns is always in a place where you're just always like hyper vigilant.
- 06:52
- Double check. Triple check. Make sure. And that would have helped him. I'm not I'm actually not saying that there's guilt because you can't look.
- 06:59
- Everyone's trying to say guilt for a Baldwin. Look, he's an actor in a movie and somebody who's supposed to be responsible for the gun handed in the gun.
- 07:06
- Right. Or however it took place. His assumption is there's this is this is not real. Right.
- 07:12
- I'm acting. It's a film. And he was told it was a cold gun. He was told schoolgun. So the point is, is like you when you talk about biblical law, because that's what
- 07:19
- Luke was talking about, biblical law has to do with culpability. Right. Either I can prove that you meant to do it.
- 07:26
- Right. That's just straight up murder. Cold blooded. I planned it. I'm going to kill you. And I meant to do it.
- 07:31
- Or you have situations where like you knowingly go out with, say, like an ax that's loose and you do it anyways, but you knew that it was loose.
- 07:39
- You knew it can cause harm. Well, there's culpability there because, well, you're you're responsible. Like you did something that you knew could have injured somebody.
- 07:45
- And so somebody was hurt. So there's different degrees of negligence. Yeah. Negligence. But in a situation like this, if it's true that he was told it's a cold gun, he's an actor on a set and someone hands it to him, who's like a prop master or the
- 07:58
- AD or whatever and says, yeah, you're good to go with this. And then he fires it or something happens and someone gets hurt.
- 08:03
- That you can't say there's culpability in Alec Baldwin's part, not from a biblical perspective. You can't say, well, he's responsible.
- 08:09
- He did something. I think Matt's right. You can go down the line. You can say to somebody who's down the line here. Why did you put a live round in a gun on a movie set that was going to be aimed towards other human beings?
- 08:22
- Yeah, I think there's definitely culpability there with the person who's hanging out with live rounds on a movie set.
- 08:28
- What are you doing? I think the flying axe head is a perfect, perfect example of, you know, it'd be like it'd be like if someone knew the axe head was loose, but gave it to him and said, oh, it's fine.
- 08:43
- Go ahead and you're good to go. Yeah. And then you just, you know, these are professionals. Like you said, just they're like this is a crew he works with there.
- 08:50
- I think you said a well -oiled crew or something like that. Like you just trust them. You assume that everything's good to go and you just do your job.
- 08:57
- Well, especially someone that has been in the industry as long as I don't know how many like prop guns he's fired in his career, but he's had a long career.
- 09:07
- So I'm assuming it's been quite a few. Yeah. And it never happened before. So he probably just.
- 09:14
- There's an implicit trust he had with the person who's in charge of that gun. And also, like the assumption is nobody's going to have a live round around this.
- 09:23
- Why would you do that? Why would you? It's probably, you know, you got to get it even be in the in the building or in the area or given the benefit of the doubt.
- 09:30
- I think if we were ever doing a film, which Lord willing, one day we'll do and we have, you know, a set where there's going to be extra precautions like there are no live rounds in the set, you know, right now.
- 09:42
- And have we check this thing, you know, two, three times over to make sure that it's safe and there are just nothing but blanks in this gun, that sort of a thing.
- 09:50
- That's just how I think Christians would do it. And I think anybody should do it who cares about the preservation of human life. And so I think in my mind, all you can do at this point is sort of like look at it from a bird's eye view and say, what could have been done better?
- 10:02
- The investigation has to happen to see if someone is truly culpable and did something stupid. But in terms of like someone like Alec Baldwin, who's so outspoken about all his leftist stuff, it's like, well, that ended up hurting you here.
- 10:13
- I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying that you would have really benefited from some solid Christian worldview stuff concerning weapons that you're handling.
- 10:23
- And if you have these things in your house at all times and you're used to firing them like you treat them always like they're the most dangerous thing.
- 10:31
- Yeah, he would have been like the last line of defense, not that he was well, that's required or expect.
- 10:37
- But like it would have been naturally he would have checked. Right. But he didn't because he's not a responsible gun owner.
- 10:45
- And as far as I know, maybe not even a gun owner at all. So, yeah, it just would have. It would.
- 10:51
- Yeah, there's a there's a change like his perspective and how he handled. But yeah,
- 10:56
- I know it's not. It's not his fault. It is really a shame. Yeah, it's it's very sad.
- 11:02
- You got to and here's the thing. I think that the final thing I would want to say to this and I know we're all in agreement on this. You can despise the worldview of a person, right?
- 11:13
- You can hate what they say, what they teach. You can think that what they comes out of the mouth is entirely destructive.
- 11:19
- But that person, if they're a human being, that's not a beast. It's not an animal.
- 11:24
- So you can't treat them like one. It's still a person who's made in God's image. In a situation like this, as much as you might despise
- 11:31
- Alec Baldwin's worldview, as I do, you still have to uphold his dignity as an image bearer of God.
- 11:37
- You got to show respect to the guy. Like, love the guy. Show some compassion for the fact that, you know, what you know right now is that he accidentally shot somebody he cared about and they're dead now.
- 11:46
- That's the person who was married that had a child. They're dead. So uphold his dignity.
- 11:52
- Love him. Respect him. Like, send him condolences, because that's what you know. What you know right now is it's an accidental shooting.
- 11:58
- And so I think the loving Christ -like thing that we'll do to do to care for his soul and maybe even bring light into his life, let him see the light of God, is to actually say, hey,
- 12:09
- I'm really sorry that happened to you. I care for you. I'm praying for you. I'm so sorry that you're going through this.