Matt Slick Bible Study, Justification, 7-29-2021

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Justification and we're gonna pray first, of course, so let's pray.

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bless us as we go through your words.

We study what your word teaches.

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All right, so, uh.

Justification where that's what we're studying tonight.

So it's going to tell you that justification is a big topic.

It's not a big topic.

There's a lot we could cover but there's not really a lot we could cover because it's really one thing.

And that's what we're going to talk about is one thing.

So it won't go two hours like it normally does.

And we'll be taking questions from people.

And um got some of the same people who come in during the show.

Look at this mark says nice shirt.

This is my wife is making me wear shirts.

Nice shirts that is.

More people come in.

No, okay and so that's why.

And it has buttons normally when we go out, you know.

We go out to dinner or something.

She goes you wear a nice shirt and I go why mary doesn't impress anybody and then you know, but uh

I do her she she made me.

She had to.

All right.

Now that i've been thoroughly insulted basically my shirts.

Okay, we noticed joanne says unique has great taste.

That's right.

Laura.

That's why she married me.

I feel like i'm in the line of fire.

All right, so.

What we're going to do is we're going to start in genesis and uh in a little bit talk about uh, the entrance of the gospel

and um, but before we do that, I want to talk about the trinity a little bit again.

The trinity being the foundation of all knowledge and truth and all justifiable truth.

I'll be debating the trinity versus oneness.

Twice with two different people in the next three weeks next two or three weeks.

And um on the biblical doctrine of the trinity.

And so i've been working also on a a statement on what the trinity is.

I've been working on that now for months not every day all the time.

But you know, I go oh I could add this and oh I could polish that.

And i'll read it for a bit and work on it for a half hour an hour.

Then put it aside for a few days kind of thing.

But I i'm developing that and i'm going to I plan on going through patreon and doing a series just

out of that thing.

Doing one two three sentences at a time but um.

The trinity, you know is the eternal existence of god in three simultaneous persons

and Righteousness Is embedded in the very heart

the very character of god's essence.

And it's embedded in the sense not that it's something else that became part of him.

But it is something that emanates out of his existence.

There's a doctrine called divine simplicity.

Divine simplicity says that god is one single thing.

So one of the illustrations I use about this to get your mind thinking this way is a a carbon sphere.

You know just a sphere of carbon doesn't matter how what the diameter is just pure carbon carbon say carbon 12.

It is one thing it is one essence.

It's just one it's it's a material materialistically.

Simple divine simplicity says that god is one thing one.

Being one divine essence one divine nature.

He is what he is and when that is revealed to us in scripture is revealed in three

persons.

Not in three parts, but in three simultaneous and distinct persons.

And the father and the son the holy spirit have had an eternal fellowship which cannot be had in uh

doctrines that deny the plurality of god.

That's another topic now.

So righteousness holiness truth goodness are all things that emanate.

Or are revealed out of the character of god.

So when he speaks as jesus says in matthew 12 34, he said out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

So we speak out of what we are so we speak because if i'm really angry i'm going to say angry words.

I'm, really in a you know fun mood.

I'm going to say fun things and that's just how we are.

Well, god is holy.

He's going to speak holiness and since he knows all things for john 3 20.

He's always going to be speaking truth.

He never can contradict his own nature in essence because that which he possesses Means

whatever he does possess.

He does not possess its opposite if he is good.

He does not possess not goodness.

Because that's a contradiction in nature in essence something is what it is, but it's not what it is not.

So his goodness means that he exists in the form Goodness, but he does not also

possess non -goodness.

It's a non -sequitur.

It's a logically impossible and that can get into the transcendental nature of the laws of logic and why they emanate and.

And universalities and universals and stuff, but I won't do that now so

when we talk later here in a little bit about justification justification is related to his holiness and

his justice and his His mercy and his grace and his purity his perfection and all of that.

It's not a part of god that manifests in justice.

It's the whole of god that necessitates justice.

And a lot of people think that god arbitrarily chooses.

What will be just what will be right will be what will be wrong and that's not the case it's the fact is that

as You know atheists will say how do you know god is good and I've talked about this every now and then i'm going to be Repeating this kind of a thing because you guys

need to hear this.

But when we say god is good, they'll say how do you know god is good?

It's like saying well god is just how do you know?

He's just he's loving.

How do you know?

He's loving what they're doing is they say I want a standard that exists apart from god to be able to judge god.

I want to know what standard god has to hold to because how do we know god's good?

Because we don't know if he's good or not.

Well, how would you know if he's good or not?

Well, no, that's for you the christian.

Well, I know he's good because he says so oh just because he says so yeah.

That's it.

He's good.

Well, how do you know he's good?

Well, there is no standard against which he can be compared.

There is no other being against which he can be compared.

He is his own eternal being and there's nobody else beside him.

There is nothing else by which he can be compared and therefore whatever he possesses He possesses if he

possesses goodness.

He does not possess also evil if he is good.

He cannot also be the opposite of what good what is good is, you know.

And when they say well, where did logic come from and I love talking about that we get into transcendentals.

Then we're back to this after a half hour teaching on that I go.

Are you ready to get back on goodness?

Yeah, because their brains are hurting, you know.

And so the issue here is that we recognize what is right and it was good what is just and all of

that from.

From the nature of god's revelation.

Now, there are three areas that god reveals himself in Creation we can look out at the

world at the stars and go.

Wow.

He's big.

Wow.

He's powerful.

Wow.

We can look at the scriptures.

We can say wow, that's pretty good.

That's good.

I did.

Oh, I read that 18 times.

I didn't see that part in there.

Oh, it's true, you know.

And we can look at the person of jesus christ who is revealed in the scripture.

But jesus is the one who walked and talked and lived and rose from the dead.

Calm the ocean.

I mean a storm by by uh with a command etc.

So the three revelations of god which are all forms of self -revelation.

They're all forms of self -revelation because there is no way for anybody to know anything about god unless he

reveals himself.

So in creation he was revealing his greatness and the word is revealing his truth and the person revealing himself

person of christ we could say it that way so when we get to this issue of of

Justification it only exists in the context of law and legality.

Because law is what reveals sin to us.

Romans 5 12 5 13 if there is no law there is no sin and so

We know that when god speaks he's speaking out of the buttons of his heart.

Matthew 12 34.

So when he said let her be light it's because it's what his desire is is to create let her be man and woman.

He it's his desire to create and there's reasons for that creation.

You go to isaiah 43 7 that were created for his glory.

But also so that we might emulate and reflect.

The plurality of his nature in the union of male and female in one flesh.

And carry out the issue of fellowship, which is part of his eternal nature as well as the created

order.

Demonstrating the dominion that he has over all creation and we have over the area of creation that he's given to us.

You with me so far?

All right now.

So because of this the only way to know what is right.

Is it by looking at god?

If anybody says you have to have another standard.

I say fine.

Show me a better one.

A universal standard that precedes god to which god himself wants answer.

Mr. Atheist.

Mr. Agnostic.

Mr. Whatever.

And of course, they don't have that and you can hear them.

You can hear the intellectual toe snapping.

Was there stubbing it against logic and truth?

And it does happen a lot.

You've listened closely in chat rooms.

You can hear the people do that and you can also hear gaskets blow.

Oh because uh their brains are starting to think and they're not used to thinking properly they're used to

thinking with cognitive dissonance now.

Justification.

All right.

What is justification.

Justification is the declaration of righteousness.

And i'm going to show you this in scripture.

It's a declaration of righteousness.

That is given to somebody else.

It's a legal declaration.

It's a declaring.

It's a giving it's an imputing.

To impute means to reckon to another's account legally.

Legality deals with the issue of sin.

If there is no sin that we can have no breaking of the law and if we have no breaking of the law.

We have no need of justification.

Now justification is just as if i'd never sinned.

That's justification.

It kind of works and it's pretty close to being true.

And so that's okay.

We can we can deal with that.

All right now.

So Let's just start with genesis chapter 3 starting at verse 6.

There's some cake over there too i'm going to give me some of that later.

They got people behind the camera here on my phone getting munchies and man if I

suddenly disappear and dive off camera because i'm grabbing stuff, but Let's see how far I can go the

people in the room.

Hello from north carolina.

Hey roger.

There's jimmy.

There's a matt from tennessee.

I think he is Discernerator of spirits if you know him you should have

lots of evidence.

Manifestation of stuff.

All right, so, uh, that's right.

God is a standard.

Okay, let's go on.

So verses 6 and 7 when the woman saw that the tree was good for food.

And that it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was desirable to make one wise.

She took from its fruit and ate and she gave also to her husband with her.

And he ate then the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were

naked.

And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves Loin covering.

Now, let's talk about this a little bit.

This is an interesting area of scripture.

Why would they cover themselves?

Were they naked to begin with now.

It says well they were naked.

But were they naked to begin with there is an instance in

The in the book of revelation.

I forgot where where it says we'll be clothed in righteousness.

And clothed with white garments.

When moses came down from the mount talking with god his face was shining.

He's in the very presence of god.

So i'm just going to throw something out for entertainment value.

Could they have been?

Shining in the glory of the majesty of god as a reflection the way moses was.

Don't know i'm not saying it was i'm not saying it wasn't.

I'm just throwing this out.

It's interesting because if they sinned and they lost that they would have known they were naked now.

That's one possibility that they they actually became unclothed in the glory

majesty of god.

At righteousness that was permeating the very essence of where god is.

Yeah, maybe.

But it could also be that their eyes are open.

Oh, we don't have any clothes on we're naked.

We're exposed but that's interesting because.

What's the big deal?

What's the big deal?

You know if you're with your how do I say this politely when you're growing up with brothers?

And uh.

You don't have a big house to live in and you got one bedroom, you know, you got to share and stuff like that.

That condition is you grow up with.

What's the big deal?

It's nothing you grow up with it.

It's not an issue and so.

That's why I wonder in their innocent.

Well, they lost their innocence at this point.

They sit there and they go.

Okay, we're naked.

And so I don't know what the real issue is uh I don't want to get too far into it and offer too much

speculation, but you know, just throwing some stuff out for thought.

Okay.

Okay.

So they hid themselves right and uh, they covered themselves with their own

works.

They covered themselves with their own works their own efforts their fig leaves now.

Just so you know in the mormon temple ceremony.

When you go through the temple if you're a mormon.

You are given a fig leaf apron green fig leaf apron

in a plastic bag.

And you walk into the with the temple ceremony.

And there's a scene in the film as they go through the varying rooms of the temple where

uh satan and the devil, I mean satan and the preacher and jesus and adam are all

talking they have stuff like this.

And adam says to satan who's wearing a fig leaf apron.

He's he's got a but it's black.

I think it is.

And Adam asked him.

Well, what's that?

What's that apron you have on and he says it's a symbol of my priesthood and my power or my priesthood my authority.

I forgot which one it is.

And then the film stops.

And the mormons are instructed to take out their fig leaf aprons and put them on.

Yeah, wow.

Yep.

Unless they've changed that i've talked to temple workers who would did temple work for over 25 years.

And they had it all memorized backwards forward left and up and down that's what they did.

That was her job and they said they told me when they became christians, you know, that's exactly what happened.

Yeah, there's there's there's stuff on youtube about it.

But the fig leaf apron, so it's that's just a side note about what the cult of mormonism does among other things but

nevertheless, all right, so They made coverings

of their own works their own hands.

And then they were cursed etc.

Genesis 321 the lord god Made garments of skin for adam and his wife and clothed

them now.

So he is the one who made garments of what?

Skin.

Now it does not say that he killed any animals to do this.

But The bible says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Leviticus 17 11.

Which is repeated I think in hebrews 9 22 I think so

a long time.

But genesis leviticus 17 11.

So we know that's true and since adam and eve were covered by the work of god.

That i'm going to conclude by inference that an animal had to die in the process typifying a

blood sacrifice, which was The protowingelia the first mention of that gospel message

and action right there and Some say genesis 3 15, you know

curse the n 16.

You know bruise your head bruise your heel and stuff like that, but what I wanted you to see was

That they covered themselves.

And then god covered them so they covered them with Uh fig leaves

plants god covered him with Animal skin.

I don't think he produced an animal skin in midair.

I think he killed an animal.

That's what I believe.

And hence the shedding of blood.

All right, so we can see then from the very beginning.

That righteousness before god is necessary.

Of course god in ephesians 1 4 Uh for the he chose Us in

him before the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless.

So god the father chose the elect In christ before the foundation of the world and hebrews

13 20 talks about the blood of the eternal covenant.

Where the father son holy spirit would have internal eternal fellowship and would redeem

Mankind, you know, the father would elect the son would redeem.

The holy spirit would apply the redemptive work all right, so Of

course the garden was the place where Jesus

the pre -incarnate christ wasn't jesus yet entered the garden and

Took care of him now jesus When he was captured was captured in

a garden And made atonement, right?

So it's interesting how the parallels are there.

Okay, so.

What god does then?

Is he speaks about what the word is he speaks.

I'm going to lower this a little bit he speaks.

Um.

Get the camera a little bit better oriented because I keep looking at and thinking about it.

So hold on one sec.

There we go A little bit better framing.

I think all right and so.

So the law is reflection of the character of god.

The law is reflection of the character of god.

Because god speaks out of the abundance of his heart out of the bunch of the heart the mouth speaks.

Jesus says in Matthew 12 34 now

the ten commandments Are a codification of moral obligation

now.

If we look back at adam and eve We know that adam represented

mankind.

And that because of adam the ground was cursed with thorns and thistles.

Genesis 3 talks about this.

We know that sin entered the world through one man adam romans 5 12.

So god had made a deal covenant with adam To cultivate the

land and the garden and subdue the earth.

That covenant is not Dissolved by the sin of adam.

Because the curse is in your continuation of this covenant.

Now, you're going to have thorns and thistles.

So all people Are obligated to follow that covenant.

All people are obligated to manifest a proper relationship with god under a covenant

Analysis system.

We'll get into this a little bit more.

Unbelievers who deny god are not excused from that covenant

period.

It says in adam all die.

So adam represented us that's first corinthians 15 22 in adam all die.

So he represented all of us romans 5 18 through one transgression there resulted

condemnation to all men so adam's sin Resulted in condemnation to

all men, but also romans 5 19 That many were made sinners by the act of the one transgression of adam.

So we were in him in doctrine of federal headship, which i've already taught.

So when god speaks He speaks in the beginning was the word

the word was with god, but in the beginning god said genesis 1 and john 1.

So in the beginning the word was in both cases and the word Is how god spoke to bring things into

creation and when you go to colossians 1 15 to 17 It says jesus who is the word and flesh.

Through all things were made through him for him by him.

So we see the the word was involved in this and when god speaks and since he's always true he binds

himself by covenant.

By his promise.

This is why i'm a covenantalist and not a dispensationalist.

I'll never be a dispensationalist now.

When we look at the ten commandments.

And i've mentioned this before and always it's it's doing great.

I mean, it's worth going over it again.

The ancient suzerain vassal treaty pattern.

This was discovered by meredith klein uh who knows more about Theology

or forgotten more theology than i've ever learned.

I mean he just he was brilliant.

I think he showed around.

Back in seminary.

He came into class.

And taught us and he's the one Who would read.

I forgot what language is ancient ugaritic, you know?

Sumerian cuneiform, you know, you're like you read it.

Yeah, this was right here.

You're like that and whenever like that, you know, like.

You know, he's one of those kind of guys really super smart.

And i'd watch him.

I learned that what he was doing was reading his bible this hebrew bible and translating in english.

As fast as he could read it in hebrew.

He was just brilliant.

He Discovered the suzerain vassal treaty pattern which is suzerain and a vassal big

king little king.

The big king the little king would make a deal.

An agreement which was a covenant document and the covenant document was this is who I am.

This is what i've done.

And here's the stipulations and rewards and punishments for breaking and keeping the covenant.

Okay.

Ten commandments.

I'm the lord your god who brought you out of the land of egypt.

This is who I am and what i've done.

You're to keep the the covenants if you honor your mother and father you'll live long.

If you don't you won't prosper now and he says in genesis I mean in exodus, I think 20 verse 2 or 3 he says

if you don't serve him he'll bring the judgment upon.

This generation and three to four generations following there's a consequence so.

This is all important because it represents god's character and his law so the ten commandments.

Are those documents that were put in the ark of the covenant?

There were two copies 10 and 10.

Not four and six not five and five.

I wish i'd get that right.

Because there are covenant documents.

Each party would get a copy of the Contract or the covenant and it was put in the ark of the covenant.

Which on top of that was the mercy seat?

And that's where the high priest would go in the holy of holies once a year on yom kippur and sprinkled blood on the mercy seat.

And then the nation of israel was covenantally propitiated.

That means that the wrath of god was actually removed from all of the covenant people.

It does not mean that they were all saved and going to heaven.

It means that they were covenantally Justified before god or their sins were

removed now the blood on the mercy seat, which is the footstool of god.

Demonstrates or typifies the blood of christ who would be sacrificed later on

so We see how all this is working together and the covenant god's word

god's word god's word.

All right.

So sin is breaking the law of god first john 3 4.

So if anybody has said, you know god says you shall not lie.

And then you lie.

Then that means that you've broken the law law.

Legality law and legality.

There's a problem legality a legal problem.

So sin is at the very least a legal problem, but it's also spiritual has

certain Deleterious ramifications and things like that so we know that.

That uh when you sin you're separated from god.

Isaiah 59 2 your niceties are cause of separation between you and god in

robin 6 23.

It says the wages of sin is death.

Now if you go back to genesis 2 17 god says to adam the day that you eat a fruit you're going to die.

So the day they ate the fruit did they die?

Did they die?

Well god said they would so did they die?

Yes, god said so.

So what do we mean by death then the separation from god?

This was demonstrated by the fact that they hid themselves from god and then tried to cover themselves with their own works and god

rejected that.

That's where the death was a separation from god.

Isaiah 59 2 talks about that.

That's where the true death is.

Physical death is a manifestation of the spiritual death.

The real issue is a spiritual realm not this physical one.

The real issue is where god lives and the heavenlies and who he is as a spiritual being because isaiah

excuse me, john 4 24 god is spirit and in luke 24 39 you search the

script.

No, it's 40 44.

Oh, I got so many verses in my head.

It says, uh, uh, You would have to Fact -check me.

That's right.

Uh, let's not john.

It's luke 24 39.

He says, uh spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have all right.

So god is spirit.

He doesn't have a body of flesh and bones unless you're a mormon.

Yeah, check it out Luke 24 39 last one.

There's a mormon and so You'll see it's right,

right?

Oh, look at this.

Hope you guys are enjoying this on the out there in the internet land.

Okay, so I'll get back on track so god Speaks and he speaks out of his

heart and don't lie.

Don't cheat.

Don't steal all these the ten commandments are the standard that reflect his moral character.

He's the standard not us.

We can't keep that standard and if you were to go to deuteronomy 27 26 It says there that

curses everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them.

Now the book of the law in deuteronomy 6 5 says Lord love the lord to god with all your heart soul

mind and strength in leviticus 19 18.

It says love your uh, and I mean love your neighbor as yourself.

All right, and then jesus says in matthew 24 37.

I mean 22 37 and 39.

He repeats deuteronomy 6 5 and leviticus 1918.

Love god.

Love your neighbor and he says in verse 40.

This is the summation of the law.

Now we are obligated to keep that law and the reason is because god is the one who's holy.

And he's the standard of righteousness now.

First peter 1 16 be holy for I am holy.

It doesn't mean be holy, but it's okay to not be merciful.

Holiness encompasses all the righteousness and goodness of what god is.

So the standard of righteousness is god himself.

So we are to be righteous according to the law because he's a standard.

God does not lower his standard.

As the book of mormon second nephi 25 23 says you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do.

Or what a lot of churches teach as long as you're good as long as you're sincere as long as you're trying God will take our

Take care of the rest.

That's damnable heresy.

It's false teaching even though it doesn't mean they're damned but a lot of people just stinking ignorant about what the scriptures teach

but the thing is.

That's what it says.

That's right.

Ha ha so.

So god has decreed The truth of his word to be revealed and it's a standard of

holiness because it's a reflection of his character.

We are not excused from keeping that same level of standard.

We are not excused.

That's a standard.

But there's a slight problem.

We can't do it oops.

Now, what do we do?

Well, there's no hope for us.

Now in islam I think it's in short 23 101 or something like that.

It says that if your balance of good deeds exceeds your bad deeds and you you know.

And you're alive if all the wills you can be saved.

Um in book of mormon 30, uh, dude, I mean maroney 10 32, I believe it is it.

If you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then is god's grace sufficient for you.

And I forgot where it is in the watchtower.

I think it's 1972 april 1st.

There's the three things you got to do.

I forgot what page three things you got to do to be saved and one of them is keep the commandments of god.

So all false religions all false things will say that you have to keep commandments of god in order to be saved.

Well, guess what?

If you keep all of the commandments of god.

You can be saved.

All of them perfectly all the time.

Because that's the standard so it's doable.

Except for one thing.

It's I don't know about you guys, but I can't do it.

Um, I don't know, I think dave's come close a few times, but he's tried but His wife

corrected me on that one once when I said he was a great guy.

So, uh.

The standard is god himself, right?

Now.

Since we cannot keep that standard because we're touched by sin in all areas of what we are.

And everything that we do is touched by sin.

Our righteous deeds are filthy rags.

Isaiah 64 6.

Therefore there's nothing we can do.

The only one left to do anything is god himself.

So god second person of the trinity became man and incarnated.

Hypostatic union.

Two natures one person.

He fulfilled the law.

He never sinned first.

Peter 2 22.

He was able to do everything that we could not do.

Period he did it perfectly.

Which to me is unfathomable?

What's that like?

I know he could do it.

Conceptually, I've got it.

I can understand how aliens could chase you and you run and you scream.

As you're firing at him and you're running screaming.

I could get that.

Okay, I got a good imagination.

I can imagine that.

But I can't fathom.

Experience understand relate to the idea of keeping the law perfectly in

speech in doing and in attitude because

my attitude is cryptic to everyone here.

And even to me to a degree.

I know my own heart and I don't like what I find.

Okay and uh.

That's why I don't like colossians 3 1 through 17.

Because it shows me myself.

Oh Colossians 3 1 through 17.

Don't anybody read that?

All right.

What's that?

What's that?

If therefore you've been raised with christ, that's right.

Keep seeing the things above very good.

Christ says he's where where's he?

Oh my goodness.

Hold on a sec.

Hold on.

Hold on.

This is it.

There she is right there is my wife.

Okay.

She spoke.

Oh.

She did a good job too and uh, I had to put it she she looks so much better than me, doesn't she?

That's right you come back next week i'll have some broken limbs probably.

What happened?

I fell down the stairs three times.

On the same day.

Yeah, man, it just that's right.

All right, so.

So jesus is the one who is able to keep the law perfectly.

Because we can't because there's no one else left to do it.

Now remember in ephesians 1 4 it says That he the father chose us.

The elect in him jesus before the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless

in roman 6 6 it says that we Died with christ

roman 6 8.

I think it is or I can reverse it says we're crucified with christ.

Now, wait a minute.

How are we crucified with christ?

How have we died with christ?

He died 2 000 years ago.

How did we die with him?

We don't die with him when we get baptized.

We died with him when he was crucified because he's our federal head.

He's our representative federal headship is a teaching that the male represents a descendants so jesus

represented his people.

In adam i'll die in christ all Shall be made alive that second

all can only be the elect because the unbelievers are not made alive in christ.

So I can go through this thing about the all.

And how god uses it differently than we do particularly in the nature and the extent of the atoning work.

But maybe later.

So jesus was able to do everything and we were in him.

Now there's some real interesting things we could talk about here If we were in him and he kept the law

perfectly.

We could almost say that we kept it in him.

If he died on the cross and we died with him because we're in him after the bible said we died with him then.

We died with them crucified with them.

Now, you know, this is you know illustrations.

But also I think there's some literalness to it.

I do not know how it is.

I could have died with christ if I did not live Back then, but I do understand the

idea of my sins.

Being imputed to christ back then.

The sins of the entire world now god's not limited to our space in our time and he could impute to impute means

to reckon.

Legally to reckon to another's account to give to a person another's legal account so that

sin's breaking the law of god.

So the legal debt that I incurred was transferred to christ back then.

And the people who died abraham isaac jacob their sins were imputed to christ.

At that same time from the past and all the present people who were alive at that time were imputed to him.

There's a trinitarian imputation past present future.

They were all imputed to the second person of the trinity on that cross.

Not every sin of every individual ever lived because blasphemy the holy spirit is not forgiven or

forgivable.

Matthew 12 22 to 32 and the sins of eli's house will not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever

first samuel 3 14.

I don't believe that jesus bore the sin of everybody who ever lived.

I believe he only bore the sins of the elect given to him by the father.

Limited atonement.

If you don't agree with that, we can discuss it sometime.

That's my position and I can defend it now.

Jesus then at the cross.

Cancelled the certificate of debt colossus 2 14.

Uh, jesus having cancelled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees which was all hostile to us.

He took it out of the way having nailed to the cross.

So think about this.

He cancelled the certificate of debt and if we died in him romans 7 4 says we've

died to the law.

But the one who's died the law is freed from the law.

So then I could ask the question if we've died with christ and died to the law.

Can we sin anymore if the law is no longer there for us?

In one sense.

No, we can't sit anymore.

Can we another sense?

Oh, yeah, we do.

There's this now and the not yet that exists in the atoning work of christ the

now and the not yet 2 000 years ago.

It was now for the people of jesus not yet for us.

And yet we were atoned for back then the now the not yet.

That's one of the examples of it.

All right.

So since jesus fulfilled the law perfectly.

And since we cannot then Our sins were imputed to him, which is why well,

we you know, i've gone over this before but in John 1930 jesus says to tell us die it is finished.

He's on the cross and he says it's finished and that word in greek to tell us die has been found on.

Some ancient tax receipts handwritten in signifying a legal debt tax debt's been paid now.

In matthew 6 12 and luke 11 4 which are the parallel verses about our father who art in heaven

Hallowed be thy name.

In matthew 6 12 Jesus says forgive us our debts.

In luke 11 4 forgive us our sins her martia.

So he's equating sin with legal debt.

Jesus bore our sin in his body in the cross first peter 2 24.

So our sin is was transferred to christ on the cross and he died with it and canceled the certificate of debt.

It could not be did it for everybody because that would mean everybody would have to go to heaven.

But you got to believe well in john 14 1 jesus says believe in god believe also in me.

It's a it's a commandment and exodus 20 to 10 commandments have no other god before him.

You're obligated to believe in him.

If you don't you're breaking the commandments of god and therefore that is also paid for.

So their argument doesn't work now.

Where do we fit in.

Well, we've been paid for our sins the elect have been have been paid for.

And Now we're gonna we can finally get to the place and talk about justification.

Okay.

Justification is a legal declaration of righteousness so In

Romans 3 28 it says we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart

from the works of the law.

Now the works of the law are summarized in love god and love your neighbor.

So therefore you're justified before god without loving god without loving your neighbor.

Because you're justified not because you love god.

And because you love your neighbor.

But you're justified because of the faith that god granted to you philippians 1 29.

And that faith is what justifies you you're regenerated at the same time.

And then you love god and you love your neighbor because you're enabled to because you're now born again.

John 3 3 through 8 made a new creature.

2nd corinthians 5 17.

And god indwells us John 14 23 and we're causing to be born again.

First peter 1 3 and born again not of our own will john 1 13.

So this makes sense it all fits together, right?

So justification where's our justification come from then.

Well, if you go to philippians 3 9, it says that we have a righteousness.

That's not our own a righteousness that comes from god.

That doesn't say specifically jesus, but god is through christ, right?

Well, jesus is god in flesh who lived the law perfectly.

So now we have the trinitarian communion.

And through the righteousness of what christ did because he never sinned in first peter 2 22.

He did everything perfectly where in him we've died to the law.

The law has no jurisdiction over us and so when

Jesus died on the cross.

He canceled the sin debt for the elect.

It doesn't mean you're born saved the sin debt for the elect is Canceled, but

you're not justified until you believe.

So now I want you to to pay attention this illustration.

Here's the cross.

And here we are sin.

Righteousness what happens is this.

Double imputation our sin is imputed to christ.

His righteousness is imputed to us.

But they're 2 000 years ago 2 000 years separate.

Okay.

Because our sin is imputed to him on the cross, but that was 2 000 years ago.

And so that atoning sacrifice which is the propitiation only for our sins, but sins of the whole world first john 2 2 which i'll get

into Is the thing that removes our sin and cancels the sin debt

which has occurred at the cross per colossians 2 14.

But when we're born, we're still damned or in a state of damnation until we believe.

And so there's a now and the not yet again.

So we in a sense we have an elect person.

Maybe he doesn't get saved till he's 40.

Who?

Is atoned for and can't go to hell.

But he also can't die.

Before he believes because god doesn't make any mistakes.

He works all things after the council of his will ephesians 1 11 so He gives to the

elect the act of belief philippians 1 29 to you has been granted to believe

and he Grants repentance as well.

Second.

Timothy 2 25.

So the Our sin was imputed to christ 2 000 years ago.

And that's when the sin gets canceled.

But when we believe that's when we're justified.

That's when the righteousness of christ is imputed to us.

So his righteousness which is legal is imputed to us Completely and totally and so we now receive

that full benefit of the righteousness of christ by faith.

And the reason is by faith only is because if any of our works are involved with it and it's stained.

It's either all of god or it's not all of god.

It's either by the grace of god or it's not by the grace of god by the grace of god.

It's unmerited favor.

But if we do anything, then it's not grace anymore.

It's what's due.

So what shall then what then shall we say that abraham our forefather according to the flesh has found.

For if abraham was justified by Works, he has something to boast about but not before god.

For what does the scripture say?

Abraham believed god and it was credited him as righteousness now to the one who does not uh.

The one who works his wage is not credited credited as a favor.

But what is due but to the one who does not work?

But believes in him who justifies the ungodly his faith is credited as

righteousness.

That's justification.

The faith is credited as righteousness now.

In that was romans 4 1 through 5 in verse 3 where it says abraham believed god.

It was credited in his righteousness.

You got to remember abraham was born And died before the law was given.

Don't lie.

Don't steal etc.

And he was justified by faith before the law was given.

It says he abraham was justified by faith.

But it says to the one who does not work but believes present tense.

His faith is credited as righteousness.

So before the giving of the law and after the giving of the law justification is by faith.

That's how it works.

So we are justified by faith the very faith that god grants to us philippians 129.

He gives it to us.

And because of that We can then be right before god not because of our righteousness.

But because of the righteousness of the infinite god jesus christ who became one of us and because of his

infinite value.

What he did was a propitiation sufficient for the whole world.

The word world here does not mean every individual because in matthew 15 24

Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of israel.

He was not sent to the whole world but only to the house of israel just a nation of israel.

The uh, they Broke the covenant and we were grafted in.

Uh, where is that?

I just came across that last night researching and I forgot i'm trying to memorize it.

I forgot.

And so we were grafted in because of the because the jews broke the covenant requirements.

So we were grafted in but we're grafted in by faith.

We have this by faith.

And this is how we're justified because we can't be justified any other way now furthermore the word propitiation is

holosmos.

And it means a sacrifice that turns away wrath.

It doesn't make it possible.

Not an expiation.

It's a propitiation.

It means it's actually removed just as the high priest on yom kippur would remove the wrath

covenantally of israel.

That typified and was representative the true sacrifice of the messiah to come.

And so because of that.

That's how we know.

That we're justified because it's a propitiation that actually removes the wrath if it was for every individual whoever lived.

Then everybody has to go to heaven, but march 3 29.

I think 25 46 revelation 14 11, um and uh revelation 2010 we know

people go to hell.

So because we know people go to hell we know they were not propitiated and their sin debt was not canceled at the cross.

But we do know this that we're granted the act of believing and We are able

to have that peace with christ because the wrath of god has been propitiated.

We've been imputed with the righteousness of god himself.

Philippians 3 9 which received by faith only.

And that's the faith that god grants to us.

Philippians uh 3 9 and uh.

That's what the bible says having therefore been justified by faith romans 5 1 We have peace with god and that's what

justification is and that's what made it possible is the work of christ the sacrifice of christ.

Amen.

Amen.

All right.

I could go more.

I can go.

A little bit more on stuff, but you guys got questions.

I just kind of skipped the law as a tutor in galatians 3 24 and galatians 2 and

Judaizers and I could go to their little tangents if you want.

But that's what justification is.

Did you get all of that?

Was it my english you understood everything?

Wow, she's good.

We have an albanian here right there albania

just got married.

I almost did their marriage ceremony almost but I had to go to california emergency

flight and didn't get to do it, but.

It would have been fun.

Yeah, I would have made fun of you.

What's that if the jewish people jewish people israel

israel.

What about israel?

If they didn't break the law God wouldn't redeem the.

Will he redeem israel?

If they didn't break the law if they didn't break the law, they'd have been fine.

Oh if they'd have kept the covenant of the messiah the messiah would have come for israel, but they didn't redeem.

He would have yeah.

The implication is no but in genesis 12 3 it says, um

God says to abraham in you all the nations shall be blessed.

And paul the apostle quotes that in galatians 3 8 and calls it the gospel.

So we know that the gospel was intended for everybody.

Even before the law was given and before the covenant with uh, israel was given.

Um, and it was just the way they were going to go.

Yes, please.

Keep going matt erasmus smith says.

Have you worked on your empathy skills this week?

Who cares let's see, um.

Um.

What's the source of to tell us.

I was found in text documents.

I've got it on my website.

I believe someplace.

Uh, look up the word to tell us die steve and see if you can find it.

Um, but I have seen it indefinitely because I remember having to find that documentation and I did.

And I got it.

I think it's on carm.

Where's the lady that understands everything we say and breaks it down for you?

Oh, are they meeting me that interpreted what the lady said the other day?

Oh, no, that was girl talk.

That's another language.

It's another system of logic outside our universe that women are somehow in tune with and then they bring it into the

man world.

And they make men try and figure it out.

Oh, man I'm in trouble.

I'm getting myself in trouble.

Um.

Also, what's the shortest answer for why limited atonement is correct?

The shortest answer for why limited atonement is correct.

There you go bible says so.

Uh, jesus didn't waste his blood.

Okay, or he actually Removed the sin not made a potential.

Uh, let's see.

That's her voice.

That's right.

She's over there.

That's right.

Joanne says you guys would get along you'd like talking to each other.

You shouldn't exchange phone numbers.

All right.

So someone says keep going.

Oh, what's that going to say?

I could talk about some more.

Oh glacian 324 the law tutor we talk about that if you want.

What's the purpose of the law then?

Come on you heretics.

What's the what is the purpose of the law to point out that we can't do it as part of it.

What what's the phrase that's educated right writer, okay.

We can't do it.

But it points us to jesus because we can't do it.

So glacian 324 the law has become a tutor.

To lead us to christ that we'd be saved by grace and faith, right?

Now i've talked about this before.

And after people have studied with me for six months They started hearing over and over to hear the same stuff.

That's okay, but they need to hear it because most people you know like Aren't that smart and uh, it takes a

lot of times for certain people.

I know to hear things.

To make sure that they get it notice.

I'm not pointing to the ladies because if I did I'd get in trouble.

See if you come here to this bible study you get a free insult or several.

Reasons.

What I said, there's a reason god talks to men more than women.

Why?

We tend to hear the first couple times that don't but they're the headships.

So they need to hear why does god talk to men more than women.

Because men have thicker skulls.

Yeah, there you go.

You're trying to be nice.

Because that's what he's got to do because the women don't listen.

Anyway, there you go.

Oh.

Have you heard that i'm enjoying.

That's last bible study on earth.

Oh, you know what my favorite jokes is why do men die sooner than women.

They're married to women.

They're all smiling everybody every smiling Is

For her back.

Yeah for her back and her back was hurt.

You got names that they're going.

Well next next week because the bible study i'll be in crutches probably, you know.

Although there was a cross where matt was.

A moment of silence for matt.

Yeah.

But why isn't you guys are enjoying it if it's so bad.

Even she was smiling she got it it was good.

Okay, all right, all right, let's get back on track.

I like to have fun.

All right, i'm having fun.

Um, okay, so.

So the tutor glacial 324 in the ancient roman system.

Slaves were a common occurrence and a common thing.

In rome, I think at one point like half the population was a slave of some sort but

they would often have a Certain slave who was a tutor.

It was highly privileged actually and he was the one who was engaged in

Instructing the children of the master.

This was a highly privileged and very Trusted position.

They weren't beaten and whipped.

They were regarded with esteem, but they were committed to that household.

They're called slaves when the child would graduate and Had

learned what was needed to be taught.

He would get a new robe.

And so the tutor Would then give him new clothing.

That's why it says the tutor leads us to christ and in that we have been clothed in righteousness.

It talks about being, you know clothed so that this language is why that's there now.

I did talk eric Badong Badong badong.

Uh, it says what about catholic justification?

Uh catholics have no justification because they were our works righteousness, but the catholic view

Of justification is that it is earned By your works.

Now, they'll say no it's not.

They'll say condign merit congruent merit strict merit.

That these are forms of doing things and god obligates himself in certain ways at certain times.

If you do something then he'll reward you with this or that.

Okay.

At any rate it says in paragraph 2068 I believe it is not 3068

but 2068 of the catechism of the catholic church.

It says that you um, you obtain salvation through faith baptism and the observance

of the commandments.

So you observe the commandments in order to be saved in paragraph 2070 and

2068 and oh, it's been a while since i've done these.

That keeping the law Is necessary for salvation necessary because

uh, keeping the natural law is necessary for salvation.

Don't have any of my notes here.

Otherwise i'd tell you should quote it to you exactly.

Yeah, that's right.

Bill.

Matt dig in his grave and so, uh.

What they do is they negate True federal headship.

They negate the true propitiatory sacrifice.

They add works to the finished work of christ.

Grace is a substance that can be infused into the soul.

That's paragraph 1999 in the catechism of the catholic church.

And so how it works how catholicism works.

It's so bad.

But When you get baptized all your original sin is removed if you die right then

you go to heaven.

But if you die just a little bit I mean die a little bit if you sin just a little bit some of the grace that was

infused in your soul is now lost and Say a venial sin, you

know a guy gets Baptized if he had a heart attack or a stroke right there and he dies

goes to heaven.

But you know, he stands up he's happy.

He looks over.

She's a total baby lusts after her for just a split second and goes.

Oh darn I should have done that.

He just lost a little bit of grace.

Now if he were to die gotta go to purgatory.

But he doesn't die he goes to the confessional.

I saw this girl and I lost it after just a little bit.

And the priest says, okay.

Well, you got to do these things.

And you get that grace put back into you got to fill her up.

And so the roman catholic church keeps your salvation

in their hands with their authority.

Because you have to participate in their sacramental system Sacerdotalism in order

to have grace re -infused because if you continue on enough venial sins

lesser sins.

Then eventually you can lose all of your grace.

Unless you go back take the mass and do the sacraments and pray to mary and do penance.

But if you commit mortal sin, then all of your grace is instantly lost and if you die you go straight

to hell.

So and so how to get it back you got to do good works and penance

and go to priest and get Get your grace re -infused in.

Oh.

What a barbaric satanic doctrine that the catholic church teaches.

How did it come up with mary?

How did that how did it come up with what how did it come to be?

Uh, how they get to the praying of mary, I don't know how they did that.

But I suspect it had something to do with the greek gods and goddesses and that the roman catholic

church was trying to adopt and venerated mary and it just got.

Because it took the rise off of christ.

Period put on the you know, jesus and you can do this kind of thing.

Well, we have a a female that you can venerate and then it became an exalted thing.

That's what I think happened, but i'm not a historian.

So I don't know for sure and and I could talk about oh man, I could do a whole study on on mary.

I could do it.

Oh.

Yeah.

Oh, they gave us the bible the catholic church, yeah, that's what then I asked them did did they give us the old testament.

Yeah, no, they didn't give us the bible because the bible is the whole thing.

You know, it's like saying, you know that they bought four tires for your car.

And then they say see we gave you the car.

What you didn't do that.

What are you talking about?

You know, that's it's that kind of a thing.

It's also uh, it's called the fallacy of of division.

I know fallacy of composition.

Or or division.

I forgot which that what's true of the parts true of the whole.

Hey, we gave you this little part.

So it's true, you know, I think it's that kind of thing uh.

It would seem arminian and roman catholics pervert the gospel by believing that salvation is synergistic.

Tyler to some degree.

Yes, but arminians don't believe That uh, their salvation is dependent

upon their works.

They just believe that it's up to them to be able to choose.

And they're an error in that but that does not negate, uh salvation.

Okay, you don't become Saved when you become a calvinist, for example.

A doctrine that makes a lot of money.

Yeah, that's right bill.

Yeah, the roman catholic crap that they teach you can tell I do not like Catholicism

and I love teaching on catholicism.

There's so much heresy in it.

Is that the money that you pay to keep indulgences indulgence, I can't yeah.

Yeah, and so they're not supposed to do indulgences.

Well about 25 30 years ago anik and I went to france because her relatives are in france

her side of the family.

She speaks french so I remember being at a we're on the outskirts of some place and uh,.

And they're all talking on the table in french and I understood a couple words like we know, you

know, gulat, you know, which is underwear because my wife would say to the children Where's your underwear?

Because you know little girls, you know I learned that and poubelle trash and uh mange eight.

So I recognize about that many words.

That's all and uh.

After a while, I say forget that anyway.

So I went walking around and I found an old stone catholic church and the door was open.

I walked inside and I could read it had a little coin thing and money and it had the word, uh,

Purgatory and something like it was souls.

And I could I knew what it was.

It was like yep.

They put money in the priest will pray for a little bit more so that to get the people out of purgatory.

What a load of crap.

Salaries what's that?

Gosh yeah, it's uh.

Yeah, if you guys want I would be glad to teach on catholicism sometime.

I have so much information on it.

Main things that they teach.

Yeah, we could do that mormonism.

Jehovah's witnesses christianity by baptists.

There's a joke.

All the cults.

Yeah, yeah, we could do that or uh

I've never heard of that one.

That's in bahai bahau.

Allah.

He's the prophet there.

Bah ha ha ha.

You know, we make a joke out of it um.

Go through islam.

We could do religions.

We could do Book of romans he suggested going through the book of romans verse by verse.

We could do a shorter book like galatians or ephesians.

Or I can do whatever you guys want.

I don't care.

We're now we're just rambling at this point folks listening I'll let you guys get more up more question

Questions plural Praise god for second corinthians 5 21.

That's right.

Tyler.

He made new him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf.

That's right.

City palladianism, that's right.

Well.

That was a short study, wasn't it?

I gave a lot of info there.

But put it together.

That'll be a good one for me to share.

Okay, that's another thing too.

So if you can link these studies on your farm site, that would be really good.

Yeah, I gotta do that.

You think I should?

Yeah, put videos in there.

Yeah, no because uh, you know, i've got a lot of people with that.

It's uh, that's never been that that would benefit.

Yeah.

Well I've got hundreds of videos out hundreds of radio shows out and I don't know how many thousands of

shows i've done a radio but uh.

Hundreds that have been videotaped now.

What about the your old radio shows?

The videos everything that's still accessible.

Yeah.

Yeah, as long as they were on on youtube, they should still be.

There should be hundreds and hundreds, I guess.

Yeah, and also once we get done with the farm studies we get the certificate.

Are you also going to give us a robe or not?

Yeah.

Yeah, when you join the cult of mat slick karm one of the things.

That's when you had to pass it though.

Okay, but.

The sash yeah the sash you had to work your way up.

Yeah, that's true get a sash.

But the graduates had to learn how to walk without bouncing their head had to go level like you're on a slide.

That's hard to do.

That's one of the backwards walking.

Now it is sounding like a cult it is that's right.

Remember that from the blues brothers what?

The slick cult.

That's right slickens the slickian cult the the carminians slickites.

All right.

Let's see matt.

You would have made a great puritan teacher.

Thanks bill.

Uh, let's see.

I shared it on.

It's true.

That's good tonight was quick and slick.

Thank you.

Joanne.

Uh karma.

That's the right theology.

Spiritual theology is called karma.

And uh, what do you call it when the karma website breaks karmageddon.

We have a bunch of these.

Oh the slictionary yes.

Yes, I could you know, we're done unless you guys got questions.

I can just entertain for a little while say stupid stuff.

Oh hate mail wacko mail.

You really do?

Oh, yeah, how about the uh the commercials, you know, er tickler yes.

That and uh, uh, what does he goes, uh, your full contact theologian, yeah, and he heard like a person getting

hit yeah.

But now that i'm gonna get those back.

I just I have so many things I'm supposed to do.

And what's really happening is i'm getting older.

I'm really slowing down.

It's just a fact but I used to concentrate for six to eight hours at a day at a time just straight.

And I could go but not anymore.

I'm getting older.

Uh reporting for duty carmander.

Oh, yeah, I like that one.

Ernie.

That's good.

That's right, that's right.

Man, you would okay.

I got that.

Yes hate mail so great.

Yeah, I could do hate mail.

What I could do one day for one of these is I could just do hate mail for an hour.

Hey.

Would you like that?

Tonight I can't.

Well, i'm sure I could find some.

I missed that because there's one where he did, you know, uh,.

He had a guy, uh, like zenu.

For that and then I missed the insults.

With that that they used to write in.

Well, you remember I used to uh I do have a how to insult me page.

Pick your own insult page on carm.

You can because so many of the insults were poorly written.

So I wrote a page on how to insult me and I have insults and all you gotta do is just write number five.

Okay, there you go.

Well said.

Yeah, number five.

You have to get insult number five, please, you know.

And and.

Oh, this is good.

He goes if you want to insult me this is how you do it.

This is how you do it.

You're not good at insulting.

That's right.

Let's see if I can get the.

Uh,.

You really want to do that, huh?

Let's see info.

Let's see if we have.

Where's some insult stuff?

I don't know if we I even looked for it a long time.

People general.

Oh love and hate mail.

Hate new.

Only 126 in here.

And these are new.

Yeah uh

I gotta say I came across the new society.

I don't like it.

I don't see why a swastika is displayed next to the paragraph About nazis unless you're flying their flag.

Okay article itself.

I haven't gone through these to get the really good ones out.

Um.

This country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state.

That's not true.

That is not true.

That's not a new society development.

We have freedom of religion.

No, we don't defend the rights.

Defend the rights of the afflicted and needy lgbtq people and people of color are some of the most afflicted.

And needy by your article seems to suggest they are part of the problem.

Yeah, that's right.

Reprove the ruthless.

Okay, let's go into something else.

Let's see.

Um.

Good luck taking the mark of the beast.

Thanks to gates fauci, etc in order to take this trip.

I'm sure the vaccine will be more.

Gene altering by then.

Just think how much you will enable the enrichment of satan's minions.

And how many people you will be leading down to hell for eternity?

Is this really worth a few moments of pleasure.

The idol of hedonism looms large in today's world?

Because wendy.

There's not enough in here.

I don't know what they're talking about.

Good luck.

Who are you talking to?

I don't know. It seems like they're referencing the.

Yeah, the mark of the beast.

But it says it's where you could take this trip.

Maybe it's the israel trip that we're going on.

Yeah.

Yeah, so if you take if you take covid look if you want to take over take covid if you don't want to do it.

Don't do it.

I'm i'm against the government telling me I have to that's what I have a problem with you.

Stay out of my life.

But uh, you know, I I think I was just talking about the whole israel trip.

It may be necessary for me to take it just to be able to go.

With a bunch of people but that's why a lot of people are going because i'm going you know.

So you're going yeah.

Oh, wow, I have a um.

Really is it working?

Yeah.

Yeah my grand my atheist granddaughter set it up.

Well, cool, isn't that interesting but yeah, so we'll see what happens.

I may have to get it.

Okay, here's another one.

We never hear you sharing the gospel of jesus christ.

All you do is promote a political agenda.

I'm tired of telling you this truth.

You talk about the leftists and their agenda as if that was the gospel of jesus christ.

Every day probably the radio show every day I compare what people say in the bible to what the bible says most of the trash.

You discuss is not biblical.

Oh my goodness.

It's obvious that you are an educated man.

Bring people to christ.

All the socialism and counterculture is gibberish.

Most of your supporters must be the political, right?

They are political just like you.

Are they christian?

Probably not.

Are you christian?

I certainly do not see any evidence of a generation.

I think I know who that was.

Who do you think it was?

There was a lady.

That's a guy.

Is it?

Yeah.

Mitch.

You can't be democrat and christian at the same time.

Well, i've been talking about this because people are asking about it and it's you know, and politics is not to be uh

separated from religion.

Jesus is lord over everything this idea of separation of church and state.

That's not true.

Oh, here's another one from mitch.

I thought it was a lady that called in about socialism.

Oh, yeah, she was interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Whoa.

This is a good insult.

This one.

It's from the same guy and this is quick and slick.

Where is the gospel of jesus christ?

No one should support this abortion of a ministry.

That's good.

I have to get that's good.

That's a good one.

That's a good insult.

Yeah, I have to get a cross for that that's really good and it's over the uh responded over the uh,

The e the newsletter that goes out, you know.

Cult of a week a true church the karm online schools are the battle of her words.

Uh in the name of brahma amen and a woman, you know, luke wrote these these things.

He does a good job.

What is cancel culture?

I wrote that anyway, let's go to uh.

Share an example of your response.

Wow.

Okay, let's see, oh I wrote to see she said I'm praying for you.

Mr. Slick as I am praying for the lost who stumble across this site.

Why do I smile and enjoy that why do I I don't know what it is.

I just think it's enlightening.

Signed dave brock.

What?

Oh, okay.

If you are an example of christ's love who would want to be like you.

Or join you it is people like you who are responsible for the decline of faith among our young.

You wreak hate and I discern evil.

This is good.

This is a good one so far satan himself is governing your website and you are a willing puppet.

That's that's good.

That's good.

That's pretty good.

That's right.

May god have mercy on your soul.

Do not use one word of my message email.

Oops.

Okay.

Well too late.

Yeah, uh, nothing that is of me or from me will be polluted by you and your efforts to

send lost souls to hell.

Yeah, right and I wrote wow that really is something.

Do you have any serious comments to make beside hatred and condemnation?

Why don't you give us an example of something you disagree with and uh.

She wrote sure an example your response.

And She says your smugness your pride your sense of superiority your waste of time the lord has given you.

Wow.

Oh, man, there's several from her.

You got fans.

Yeah.

Oh I got stories about.

About some people and some stuff that have happened.

You want me to tell you some stories?

You want to go but you want to hear a good story?

Okay.

All right now.

Story time with uncle matt, um.

We need the fireplace so.

Yeah, I should put on my sneakers and my sweater.

All right, so, um I guess it's been a while

since I've talked about it and it's on my website and it's fully documented.

This is back when diane selner was alive, she used to work with me and there was a woman named

cheryl shats.

And I call her shats for brains.

And sorry and uh cheryl uh.

Took umbrage with what I said about some things.

I just a lot of it's vague and so she uh Did not like what I

said and one thing led to another and the next thing, you know, she accused me of sinning against

her.

I don't understand that.

How do you sin against?

Another person you do something wrong against them but she said this and

then There was this guy started emailing me defending cheryl.

And i'm reading through the emails like who and what's what's this?

And then I realized Some of the phrases are very similar.

So long story short.

I got a uh an email tracking program and uh I bought one and I

sent a little something to this guy.

And got the e the ip address and it to show got the ip address.

They're exactly identical.

All right.

So I then knew this and then asked questions and I even said Are

you?

Cheryl sheds and this person wrote back said no.

Okay.

So I had all printed up now this was important because she wanted Me

to meet her with her pastor in a hotel Here in boise

so they could discuss My sin against her.

Oh this i'm skipping details, but you know, it just went on i'm like, okay fine.

And so I think it was uh, matt marino or was it josh bales who went

with me?

I think it might have been matt and uh.

Because I let's do this.

Let's go.

She better pastor so she's really complaining and whining and.

And so, um, we got to the hotel, you know, we got the hotel and she's there we had this nice meeting

and everything and um Matt's harassment says matt

sing that's not happening.

I am so bad.

So, uh, we're in the hotel and she's you this and you're sitting against me that and I want this and you have to apologize.

I want a public apology.

I want this and that you know, and uh, like, you know, it's just lighten up

and uh,.

So We came to this agreement and I said i'll tell you what i'll do.

See what i'll do over my radio show.

This is how we came to this agreement.

I will uh Say I retract blah blah blah blah blah.

Okay.

Right, will you be satisfied she goes?

Yeah, I said, okay so incidentally, I got that radio show later that day and I

Went to the beginning of the show and I said it really fast.

And uh, then I told the producer edit that part out of the recording.

I Don't want it recorded.

And she was okay because the deal was I would say it over the air and I did that's what I did.

I fulfilled my promise and part of her responsibility was to take down stuff.

She said about me on the website on her website.

She was causing problems and uh.

But if you guys really want to hear what I can tell you about the atheist guy I think I told you about that already.

But at any rate so she uh.

We're in this room, you know, and I had this paperwork ready.

And I at the right time I said I got a question.

Do you know?

So and so because no and and I said well, um.

Because so and so has the same ip address as you do.

I said you don't know but I used to be a computer tech.

And I know things I can trace people and stuff like that.

She's staring at me and the pastor's looking and I said I can the paperwork the pastor I said this is an ip

address.

So each ip address is unique to each individual computer and I said you can do a trace route you can do.

Things you can do various things you can find certainly about servers.

You can I said I got a program and then what it did was it she opened it up and it Gave me the same ip now unless someone

else is using her computer.

It's her.

And because I said she doesn't know who this person is.

But yet it's the same computer and he looked at her.

And he says is this you and she said no, it's not.

She said no, it's not.

And he said are you sure?

And I said there's the evidence.

Well, they left and uh.

On halfway home.

She confessed to him.

She she had flat out lied.

And uh, then she she contacted me and said that you know, she asked forgiveness for that I said, okay.

You know you lied you're busted but okay.

And I said now take down all the stuff and she said well, where's the recording of you saying the thing?

I said I said it the deal wasn't that it would be recorded.

But that I would say it over the air and I did and she goes well in that case I'm not going to take the stuff down.

I said great.

You want to do that?

I'm going to release all my research and information about you about everything.

And I did it's still on the site now.

Didn't know that's a long time.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, here's here's one there's a guy years and years ago used to work in southern california and karm was just

brand new and uh this guy Was

oh, I love this one.

This guy was spamming my site going into the forums and foul this foul that.

And was taking up more and more of my time just getting rid of stuff.

He was going to forums for discussions and he would just go different places and he would do all kinds of stuff.

Yeah, it was bad.

This is back in the early days of the internet, you know, like 1977 and 78 and uh, but they were moving pretty

quickly and so I got pissed off at him and I said and I did

I did a trace route.

And I did some stuff and uh, I found The company he worked at.

And then I discovered the hours of the company and then I realized he was doing this on company time.

So then I wrote an email.

Explaining what was who was who was doing it?

I said, I don't know his name, but this is his nick.

Here's the ip.

It's coming from your company.

During these hours.

These are things he's saying about me.

And I said I just want you guys to be aware of it and I emailed it to.

Every email on the entire website I could possibly find.

And I mean every email if it was an email I mailed it to him email.

And two days later, I got an email from him uh.

Begging me not to do that again.

He says I promise I will never bother you again ever.

And I I wrote him back and I says you bother me again i'll do even more.

Never heard from him again.

Yeah, he almost lost his job.

I'm surprised he didn't yeah.

So, oh, yeah, didn't you I told you guys about the atheist right the atheist group.

This is this is a bit of a longer story and it falls a satanist.

Didn't tell you about this.

Come on.

I told you guys All right one

of the things that i'm trying to remember the chronology of things but Back when I was in

escondido in san diego county um, we started getting these emails and

They were emailing us.

Um uh human sacrifice pictures.

Saying this is what we're going to do to you and your family.

So I called the police and the fbi got involved and

This was going on for a couple of weeks and the police were saying look send us this send us that we did they got.

You know the fbi got involved.

There was a letter that was written by this by this group.

We didn't know what was going on and Describing what they were going to do to my children.

It was so bad That I would have attacked him.

I mean, I just would have I would have just i'd attacked him physically and right or wrong.

I would have done it.

Sorry, I would have and uh.

Because it was that evil it was.

It's about as evil as you can imagine.

And my wife said I want to read that.

I said you will not read it.

I'm not letting you read it.

She goes I want to read it.

I said it's not happening.

I said it's not happening.

It was that bad.

It was so bad that I would have I would have we'd had a problem.

Okay so It turns out That it was not a

group.

But it turned out it was a single woman in australia.

Now you don't know this stuff, you know the internet you don't know we we know who you are.

We this we that here are these pictures.

You don't know who won, right?

It turns out the fbi contacted the police in australia.

This is terrorist threats.

The police went and knocked on her door.

Are you so and so are you doing this and like that scared the crap out of her?

And she contacted us.

And said you think that's going to stop us.

I know people in your area in southern california where you live and they're going to come get you.

So this is what was going on plus that they they she Emailed

me a map of my address where my where I lived with an x on it, right?

Except for some reason.

For real the the address it pulled up was in the wrong location.

It was like a quarter mile off.

And I never said it was wrong.

I just I couldn't believe it but for real it was it was off.

So this is what was going on.

Well the fbi.

Okay, we know who it is.

We can't touch them.

The you know, the australian issue so.

The persistence was lower, but it was still there.

That's part of the picture.

Diane Is retired was a retired clinical psych nurse and she would talk to varying people and she was great.

And I forgot how her connection was made, but she would made a connection with a lesbian atheist satanist.

Well atheist satanist you can't have that and so uh, i'll say

lesbian satanist tattooed and uh.

She would tell me every now and then about this woman and how she was witnessing to her, you know.

Just very calmly very kind.

I said good for you, you know, praise god.

And she said she's very foul -mouthed and all this stuff but for some reason they would talk then I heard

that This woman's daughter Was killed

in her front yard and the woman held her

While she was dying.

We were shot.

Okay, and I my heart broke, you know, I oh man I said Let me talk to her.

See if she'll talk to me.

So Well, long story short I ended up talking to her

and for two hours F and this and son of a friggin effing bat and blah blah blah

your god you this you that effing blah blah blah foul for two

hours.

And i'm listening.

You know, I'd say a few things here and there and she was off the races again for going and going for two hours.

And I didn't witness to her.

I didn't feel it was the right time, you know I just you gotta let it go because I we've lost a child and

It's it's hell and so She finally started to calm

down and then this is all part of a big story so she started to calm down and um.

And then and then she got quieter and then she became calm.

And she paused and she said look.

You've let me just Say all kinds of stuff for a couple of hours here and you've not rebuked me you've not said anything

bad you said she said I don't agree with what you do.

I said, but I i'm thanking you for less for listening at least, you know, I said I

understand.

I said I don't hate you and I said I know what it means to lose a child and I know it's The most

horrible things you can experience.

I just care.

What am I going to say?

And she said well, I thank you for that.

She started supporting the ministry financially.

Okay.

All right.

That's another piece of the puzzle.

There was a debate I had with some atheists.

Oh.

Before we get to that.

She found out that the other Satanist was threatening and attacking me.

She jumped all over her and they had their little satan battle going back and forth and she stopped

her from attacking me.

Wow, I had a lesbian atheist a lesbian satanist defend me from another

satanist.

For real.

All right.

Who had been contacted?

Well by the police when our fbi got involved.

I mean it's like did by making this up not making this up.

Well, wait, there's more.

So I had a debate with some atheists a written debate on the karm forums.

Which I have I produced and I wrote.

I ended up writing like 25 000 words in this debate.

Which is where I learned.

No.

No, i'm not gonna do written debates.

I just they just explode and.

So I told the moderators of the forums in the atheist room I said don't apply the rules to the

atheist during this debate a debate on morality.

Okay, so what are the atheists going to do.

They're going to become worse and worse and worse.

But they in order to post they had to agree to the rules so this is their word.

And they know this.

Well, they just got worse and worse.

They're testing the waters and they're getting more and more foul and the moderators are going.

Are you sure you don't want to stop them?

I said I don't want you to stop them.

All right, and i'm taking notes.

I'm copying some of the things they're saying and i'm putting it in in preparation For the final stuff of this

debate.

I mean with this atheist and I use it against them.

I said look all these your atheist buddies are foul this foul that foul this foul that do you condemn them?

On morality.

What's he going to do?

You can't do anything.

You can't do anything.

No, and then I said to the moderators apply the rules and boom people got banned.

Boom.

Boom.

Boom.

Boom for breaking the rules.

That pissed everybody off right?

Well, they got hoisted by the repertoire.

It pissed everybody off.

So then what they did was this one group.

Started called the atheist apologetics research ministry instead of karm.

It's arm.

So arm was uh.

Had uh people in it and uh.

And what they did was they sought ways to destroy the karm website and ministry.

They actually worked to destroy it.

That's what their purpose was among other things.

And they got forms they got people to donate they it was becoming something right.

I saved them from getting sued because

diane.

Was the husband were ready to sue them because they were saying that she and I were having an affair.

She lived on the east coast of the west coast.

Give me a break.

They were lying.

It was a libel was sat.

It was uh, it was a libel and slander slander.

I think it was.

And no, no, no and they were getting they're doing worse and worse stuff.

And it was and then.

Are you really doing this or that?

You know, we're now it's starting to become a problem and uh.

The husband almost said I don't care who what we're gonna mortgage the house and sue the crap out of them.

He was ready.

I said give us some time.

I got something working and anyway.

So they had a special group of people on the inner circle who would meet and plan

On how they could destroy the karma ministry and the threat came to them.

They they're about getting sued they backed down but it never happened, but they did back down but every life's getting too close

so they had this inner group they had this Commit there's a bunch of people and then an inner group who ran the aa arm

ministry.

Guess who was on that inner group?

Guess who was included?

That same girl the satanist girl.

No the other one.

When it defended me when I spent two hours talking with.

She Wrote me and said I do not agree with what you say what you do, but you have the

right to your opinion.

And they're trying to destroy what you're doing.

And you're you're using as a feed your family and she goes I'm going to tell you what they're doing.

And she fed us information.

Oh, it gets even better.

She fed us information.

Beforehand we're going to try this attack.

We could try this we're going to try that and I would give it to my Web guy and he'd go.

Thanks and he would put in Security measures ahead of time and we would see them write things like

man.

We can't get this guy.

They could not understand it.

So I had a lesbian satanist who defended me against another satanist.

Who was helping me inside of an atheist group?

Who was trying to destroy the ministry?

All right, and it was headed up by this one guy, let's call him let's just call him james.

I don't remember his real name and uh.

All right, so i'm living in southern california, or was it here?

I think it was here I can't remember it's been so you know.

And so my dad was still alive at the time and he was in missouri with my other brother eric.

I have two brothers eric.

Out that was out there missouri and then my other brother.

He's down in uh, southern california still anyway, so.

So eric, uh was taking care of my dad my dad lived on his property in a fifth wheel and was

gradually health was declining and Took him to the hospital and I you know, he said time for you to come on out, you know.

It's not time for you to come on out.

And pretty soon I said, okay and um.

But before that got to that level he called me up one day and he goes.

Have you ever heard of?

James I went yeah that guy.

Hmm.

You know.

You know, I was just snotting all over.

Yeah, and I go.

Yeah, why why why do you say he goes he works for me?

No way.

Yes way.

He worked for my brother.

He worked this is no lie.

I'm not making it up.

He worked for my brother.

I'm sitting there going.

What?

Mathematics.

Yeah, wow and I said.

So and so he goes the atheist guy he goes.

Yep.

And I you know, what are you saying?

He works for you because my brother was a head of a department in a computer programming developing for a big

game.

Thing and he always oversaw a lot of people and he was one of the guys under him.

I said really.

He goes, yeah, I said well.

How did you find this out?

And he said we're at the christmas party and I heard him talking about you.

And I turned to him and I said, you know matt slick and he goes, yeah.

He goes and eric slick.

My brother eric slick goes.

Well, he's my brother.

Yeah.

Yeah, and and he said the guy just stared at him now I'm six feet tall.

I'm not small, you know, i'm not but eric you do not he could take all of us.

Okay.

Yeah, he's like six foot two or three and 300 pounds and you do not and he's got this

crazy strength anyway, so, uh.

Even the atheists when they found out about this even the atheist said how could you be so stupid?

You know eric slick matt slick eric would talk theology because he has a master's of

Theology not a master's of divinity.

And the guy goes.

I never thought about never put it together.

What are the odds, you know?

And so wow, you know, I couldn't believe it.

So it's hard to make him look bad because things are aren't working inside the group and then all of a sudden.

Now he's working my brother.

I mean My brother calls me up and says you got to come out.

And see our dad.

I said, okay.

So, all right, so went out to see my saw my dad and and uh when he got back.

He passed away two days later.

So we're out there for a few days, but during those two days later those few days I said I want to go to your

work.

I want to go to your work.

He goes, okay and so I went to his work and uh.

He gave me a tour through the place and we're getting to the james's office.

And I walk in my face.

People knew he knew who I was what I looked like and I walk in.

And he's sitting there.

Because I recognized I'd seen his picture and I go.

Hey.

Says how's it going?

And he he's he's afraid, you know because.

Because I walked over I took my fist so I put him on the desk and I

leaned forward like take a swing at me.

I did.

Because he'd caused a lot of problems, right and I just leaned forward and I went so how's it going?

And he's backing up in his chair, he's still sitting down he's backing up.

I don't know how big he is because he had to stood up but I was like, I don't care.

We're going at it and my brother's behind me.

Anyway, you know, it's going to happen and he will rip the you know so I wasn't worried but uh.

He literally backed up and he's sitting there and I I pushed my hand out and I go.

So nice meeting you finally i'm and I he you know, he Reserves and I squeeze his hand

firmly and i'm pulling on a little bit, you know, like yeah small world and I you know.

How god does things isn't it?

And I said I would love to have a discussion with you about this stuff.

And he did not wanting to do with with me at that point.

And eric goes well, let's go keep keep touring because i'd done what I wanted to do, right?

And I turned back I go.

Hey, hope to talk to you later.

Bye and you know walked out never saw him since but.

And then shortly after that that whole ministry died.

What about the uh.

No, um, we gradually fell out of contact and I don't I haven't talked to her in 10 12 years.

But diane was the one who's in contact and I wonder how she is.

Yeah.

So interesting stories, huh?

It's all for real.

It's all for real.

I didn't make it up.

Yeah, I didn't even know if she was safe, yeah, it would be yeah, I mean would it test for me that would have been.

Oh, yeah.

Yep.

Yeah, and then I could tell you witnessing experiences sometime too.

I got a list of those.

You see that evidently last week or two ago.

They had some satanist ritual at the capitol.

Mm -hmm.

It's only like four or five people.

But yeah, I wish I had been there.

Yeah, oh and uh pierce bronson was there the actor in front of mine goes.

Hey, I saw him and they talked and whatever.

He was just there for some reason.

Okay.

No, no, he just happened to be the capital.

Anyway, anybody on uh online?

See ya.

I know you gotta go.

You gotta get up early.

Was it worth staying for the stories?

Yes, it was.

You want me to get that.

Oh, hey barf barf out of the car

that's late night partying.

You look tired a little bit.

What do you guys want to study next week?

What do you want to do?

And you guys got questions in the chat room.

Get ready.

You can start asking.

I'll answer.

I learned about the catholic church.

Catholic church catholicism.

How about you've heard are you interested in that.

Not really i'd like to go through a book.

The hopscotching around all this stuff.

It's it's fun, but it's not not to get them.

Well, you guys decide what you want.

The majority wins.

All right.

Oh, I don't know a book.

I don't care which honestly you want to go through a book.

What do you want to do?

The book of the bible.

Let's do the shack.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got yeah, yeah I interviewed the you can pick one that's faster to go through than romans, I mean,

okay huh.

Galatians or ephesians.

Okay.

Let's do galatians or ephesians.

Which one would you want galatians or ephesians?

Galatians.

Galatians galatians next week it is.

All right.

No someone says romans seeing I'm see a matt slick

autobiography.

I am shocked.

He didn't lose his job.

Oh, yeah.

That's okay.

Okay, you've lived too many interesting adventures.

You wouldn't be happy north carolina where andy griffith people.

Oh, I got stories.

I got stories.

I got lots of stories.

I can tell you stories about being in the prison ministry with a hand around my throat.

I can tell you about the that when i'm preaching in prison two guys walking forward towards me during the sermon

I can tell all kinds of stuff.

It's nerve -wracking just going to throw it through one of those.

I did prison ministry for nine years.

And the toughest levels to the not so tough levels.

Joshua but based on the.

Justice and goodness of god about that.

That's a big book.

All these territories that they are taking they're fighting and they're just killing

everyone.

Oh, you want to hear about killing?

I was thinking about I've been thinking about that.

The goodness of god and the justice together.

Why they would kill you would kill.

No, I can answer that.

I can tell you why.

No, we can talk about that right now if you want.

Why would god.

Well, we'll start with the book of galatians next week.

Okay.

All right.

So why would god have entire people groups killed?

Right.

Okay, that's a basic question and people ask that question they want to know yeah and children.

Yeah, so a lot of times the groups that were being killed.

Uh, they had a variety of problems.

And not all not every group had all the problems.

But some might have these three and some that those three and some but for the most part they were similar they

would um often have um, Uh had to do with.

Primarily with serving false gods.

That was the main thing.

And in the case of all worship they would sacrifice children.

And they would burn children alive babies.

They didn't have abortion.

But there's the same kind of a thing and uh.

The main issue usually was the paganism that was prevalent.

Around the nation of israel and god would send people to each of these nations and say stop.

Stop it.

Stop it and they wouldn't they wouldn't listen.

They wouldn't repent.

So god then sent the israelites or a plague or whatever it was to destroy them all and the

children too.

Well, why the children?

We can make sense out of the idea.

That adults can be killed because they're guilty.

It turns out children are also guilty.

Because they have the original sin of adam and romans 9, uh, 519 the many were

made, uh sinners.

And that's the work of adam.

So god by taking the children out also Is is not doing anything

bad, but he's executing them.

Because he has a right to do it because they have sin anyway.

But there's something else one of the things i'll say in the radio about this

is the people of of Canaan for example they were into uh

child sacrifice uh sexual prostitution temple prostitution.

Uh pagan worship idolatry.

It was bad and it was creeping into israel.

God doesn't want that because.

The messianic line in israel had to remain pure and secure.

So jesus would be born and the enemy was always trying to get foreign nations to corrupt

Israel and then internally would be destroyed.

That's what's happening to america so.

The children if they're killed young now we have a question do they go to heaven or hell.

That's a question and we don't and the bible doesn't tell us I'm of

the position That they go to heaven.

And the reason is because i've lost a child so i'm no longer impartial about that.

And plus the bible doesn't say exactly what happens but we do know that david said he would see his dead son

in the resurrection.

Now that's in a covenant.

Context covenant of israel context, but it might be for um other stuff.

I'm hearing conversation.

I want to start listening.

So, um.

So if the chill if it's the case that the children when they die young go to heaven.

Then killing them would have been a merciful thing to do.

Because if they'd have grown up and and become pagan they would have gone to hell.

So one of the possibilities is that god was delivering them and taking them out in order to save them from

greater harm later.

And we could make that case biblically that makes sense.

Now it's not saying that is the answer because we don't know what the answer is.

But that's one of the possibilities.