Jamal Badawi on Muhammad in the Bible

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Harold Camping, the Houston Trip, and the Day’s Program Setup

Welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning the last day of May 2011 and Harold camping still hasn't figured out what? Oh By the way, I I have I think I mentioned before I have a camping night neighbor down the street.

And he or she has this little orange little teeny tiny compact car and they had you know on the back judgment day May 21st 2011 family radio all this stuff very professionally done. It wasn't it wasn't cheaply done.

It was it was professionally done and I Have been watching and a couple days ago. I I slowed down to see if it's there a couple days ago May 21st 2011 has been scraped off and everything else is still there.

So it's now just simply says judgment day. What that means what they're supposed to be doing now. Nobody has any earthly idea. Right, so I was gonna get some red paint and go over there and put an X over Beat me to it.

It's gone. Yeah, so I Have been so tempted to just stop and for that house and walk up and knock on the door and say may I please ask What's that supposed to mean, you know, cuz I I do tune it in once.

I I just have not been able to listen to much of it. I've got other things to do I'm going to but folks in Houston, you know, I'm really sorry that we haven't announced this. I I feel terrible, but I'm in Houston this weekend and We haven't put a ad up about it or or nothing.

But I Will be in Houston this weekend and I have the information in front of that's good. I was gonna put that together, but I was queuing up some of the sound clips were gonna be listening to so I apologize.

Some of you may go. Why are you so? Why do you run about so much? I don't have a secretary. I do this stuff on my own rich does his thing and I do my thing and I don't have a secretary. So what can I say?

Anyways, I will be in Houston this weekend and gonna be speaking on Islam. And so if you're in the Houston area I'll be there. Where I don't I don't even have the information in front of me. I'm sorry.

Maybe someone can send it to me, but I'm not sure that that would work since I don't have my email. Up here in the office right now anyhow. Interesting stuff going on there, but I will be here Thursday.

And the mailman is waving a package at me in the video over there. Like yay package we have we have video cameras all around here if you which is very frustrating because we've been broken into a number of times and all that does is it means we can go back and Watch the guy breaking in later on.

It's like makes it a whole lot worse. But anyhow much much much to address on the program today. Surah 61 is 6 in the Quran says and Mentioned Oh Muhammad when Moses said to his people. Oh my people. That's that's 61 6 where it's 61 6.

Oh, there it is. The next verse down I apologize and mention when Jesus son of Mary said Oh children of Israel indeed I am the messenger of Allah To you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bring good tidings of a messenger to come after me.

Whose name is Ahmad? But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said this is obvious magic surah 61 ayah 6 one of the key texts in the Quran that talk about the alleged prophecies of Muhammad in the Quran likewise surah 7 157 those who follow the messenger the unlettered prophet whom they find written and Now this is the sahih international translation and it is interpretive at this point.

Every translation is at some point but whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the gospel. Which I find interesting and what they have so even what they still have at the time of Muhammad even that interpretation of it says that The people who read the Torah the people who read the gospel they find written in what they have Something about this unlettered prophet the messenger and so for many many many years Muslims have been very actively scouring the text of the Bible to attempt to find in The text of Scripture a fulfillment of these claims without a fulfillment claims that Quran is proven false.

In fact, it's interesting. And I haven't had time to go through this. And I need to find time to go through this but in the halalikon rendering of the Quran In surah 10 94 ayah 94 of surah 10 The sahih international says so if you are in doubt Oh Muhammad about what we about that Which we have revealed to you then ask those who have been reading the scripture before you.

The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. So never be among the doubters now. The halalikon has this very interesting paraphrase of this that in essence limits what Muhammad would be doubting about To the fact that he himself is prophesied in their scriptures.

So if you are in doubt Oh Muhammad about this fact that he allegedly has found the Torah in the in the Angeal then Ask those who have been reading the scripture before you which would be the Jews and the Christians so That's an interesting interpretation.

There is no question that this idea of the testimony of the pre-existing scriptures to Muhammad as a prophet very central to Islamic theology. Most Christians, however don't have a clue How to respond to the passages that Muslims bring up.

In fact the vast majority of Christians when I travel about I'll be speaking this weekend. When I travel about on discuss this particular subject, yeah, there's Fisher just Posted in channel. So if you Oh Muhammad are in doubt concerning that which we have revealed to unto you Parent that night in parentheses its brackets ie that your name is written in the Torah and the Angeal bracket closed, I mean that's like That's as bad as putting the word other in Colossians 1 world translation.

Obviously that's coming from Some of the Hadith literature and its interpretation of that and that's one of the things I need to dig into and get the appropriate Hadith citations and because this is something I'm going to be dealing with rather rather fully in the chapter I'm working on the book.

Anyways, I Years ago sometime since late 2005 so sometimes over the past six years. If you notice how 2005 does it sounds like it was just like yesterday and now it's you know, like six years ago. When I was younger I'd hear older people saying that and always wondered why they say that and now I'm saying it and I can't stop but anyway Sometime Since that time 2005 2006 2007 somewhere in that time range.

I had a very clear memory of Playing on this program A Section from a series of Lectures they weren't even lectures or television programs that I was listening to at that time featuring Jamal Badawi. And dr. Badawi is Well was an Islamic apologist he doesn't really engage anymore.

Well, he did do it out outside open-air debate at Biola about what about three years four years ago now We have attempted to arrange something with him because I would love to have the opportunity of engaging with him.

But he has not been interested in doing so. Anyway, he did a Lengthy series of half-hour television programs the audio of which I found online. And as what islam .com or net one the terrific amateur.

I was it's a bookmark in my you know, you know bookmarks are anyway, I Remember I was listening to all this while writing and I remember exactly where I was exactly where I was in the trail on the bike trail.

When I heard him addressing Isaiah chapter 9 well since then I've tried to find that I Tried to find the files on my old computers and I mean I'm two or three computers down the road since then and and I've listened to stuff and I'm Just haven't been able to find it and it has frustrated me to no end because I want to include it in the book so finally a day for yesterday I gave up and I went back to the original website and I redownloaded everything and I took everything because I knew it was in the section about about Muhammad being prophesied in the Bible and there were like eight programs.

It's like four hours worth of stuff and I Squished it all into one mp3 and after listening to some very interesting debates yesterday I got to it this morning now. Unfortunately in doing it I put the program the program sort of ended up instead of being one followed by two followed by three.

It was sort of like three followed by five followed by one. Messed up, but it didn't matter because in the second program 45 minutes in which at high speed was about 33 minutes in it's not if I listen popular talk as you eventually get used to listening at high speed.

I finally found the segments and Part of me was very happy that I found this segment because I was starting to wonder if I had made this up. I was starting to go and I can't find this anywhere. And I really have a very clear memory of having played this in the vying line a very clear memory of what it was.

He said and I couldn't find it. Well, I'm feeling much better today because not only did I find it, but he said exactly what I remembered him having said. It's really weird. Stuff like this I Mean I listened to this while pedaling on a bike six years ago, and I remembered it absolutely perfectly.

But I can go to Target and stand there in the front door wondering. Why did I come here? What am I supposed to get. I gotta get the cell phone out and call the wife what it was it cat food. What was it again?

I can't remember you know I mean there's certain things like especially toiletries. I'll go to Target three times in a row and forget it every time. It's just amazing. But I can remember exactly what Jamal Badawi said on a bike ride six years ago.

In fact I was gonna. I was gonna. You know the only other person that could possibly have directed me To where I played this on the vying line before was algo and I forgot to use the algo search engine to to find out What it not only when I had done it, but what I was wearing the day that I that I did that program.

I'll remember to start keeping tabs on this for you. But if you start doing the you know when Badawi, and I was were on South Mountain riding up Together that's what I'm gonna put my foot. Yeah, well I I have learned from other people to be careful About claiming to have done debates that you never did in places that you never did them.

We know I don't want to end up at a at a Fundamentalist King James Baptist Bible College. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah, Farshad and channel just said he must have really good earmuffs sound to be able to both bike listen and do it at high-speed.

Actually someone picked up those noise sealing Earbuds for me a couple months ago off the ministry resource list and they work so yes even coming down South Mountain at 35 miles an hour I can still listen to lectures because I Hear nothing included.

Yeah, including the semi-tractor trailer. Well. Thankfully if I'm going down a mountain. I'm out running this tractor trailer, but Anyhow, let's get around to this having way too much fun here here is the section that I remembered and I Of everything that I listened to.

And there is a lot of amazing stuff in this section. I got through three hours of it this morning again at high speed so there's only two hours and 15 minutes, but This I Just blew me away. There is nothing That the scriptures say about Jesus that these folks can't apply to Muhammad by just simply ignoring context and in fact in this case Just skipping over inconvenient words Just give it up.

So I want you to listen I want you to get your Bible out and by the way after this after we make comment on this we are going to have a quiz and We're gonna take your phone calls and We're gonna give away two free books.

So yes, we are. We're gonna give away two free books and If you want to what? There are no books in there. Oh No, no, we're gonna we're gonna get some people to call in today So be prepared and we're gonna draw the information from Jamal Badawi's Lecture here.

So, haha. All right. So here we got the got the volume up. Okay. I got the volume up here is the section that I've been looking for let's listen to Jamal Badawi from the Islam in focus I think was what was called television series Listened to this discussion About a a section from the Old Testament that is about Muhammad continue also and the thing chapter chapter 9.

As they find that other Description are given that this person will be called wonderful and anybody who studied the history of Muhammad Peace be upon him realize again how much achievement were made in such a short time.

So just so you know, we're talking about Isaiah chapter 9 Being applied to Muhammad you might want to look at your Bible and listen along Isaiah chapter 9 verses 6 and 7.

How superb was he as a missionary if you use the term missionary somebody who conveyed the message of God and how even his enemies? Come with them. Some of them were so much attracted by his Manners and his kindness that they embraced Islam after so much enmity.

It says also he would be called counselor that is provided guidance for people in all aspects of life. It mentioned also he'd be called everlasting father in a sense also when you take it metaphorically that he would be the father the spiritual father of Prophets of property because he's the edifice the last of all prophets who brought the message of all of these prophets into fulfillment.

He is described in the same chapter also as the Prince of Peace. And the word peace as you know is one of the words which come from the same root as the word Islam comes because Islam Achieving peace through submission to the will of God and as such we can say also that the Prophet Prophet Muhammad is the Prince of Peace because of as the Quran Describes him as a one Muslim in that's in particular in chapters 39 verses 12 verse 12 that he's remembered as the first or the foremost among The peacemakers or the people who submit or achieve peace by submitting to God.

It also mentioned that there would be no end to his peace in some other translations of the Bible It says no end to his kingdom. That is there is no end to his teaching and history Manifests that that for two hundred years after him we find that Islam still continues and grows and now constitutes About one-fifth of the total world population and still on the on the growth.

There is no end actually to his message that is it has not been abrogated Or superseded by any other revelation that came after him and finally in addition to all of this Cues that she gets in chapter 9 of Isaiah.

In the book of Habakkuk chapter 3 particularly verses 3 to 6 which we cited before in a previous program it describes that person as one who stands and measures the earth and This is again a reference to the early conquest Where most of the tyrannical empire at that time scrambled under the Islamic Conquest and people who brought again to freedom of choice in the matters of their religion and their lives.

It mentioned also about his power that the mountains would be scattered in front of him again showing the astounding victories That the Prophet and his followers have achieved against those tyrannical rulers.

Furthermore in the same book of Habakkuk it mentions about that prophet having the power in his horn again mentioning the the magic or the Influence of the Quran that comes out of his mouth on people of various nations and all kinds All parts of the world so again putting it together.

It's so obvious that nobody really needs that description but.

So you catch it it is so obvious that nobody meets that description other than the Prophet Muhammad. Now hopefully as you were listening along there as You listen to the descriptions from Isaiah chapter 9 You noticed Well the same thing that that I noticed long ago.

I remember as they started into this I was going wait. He's got he's going to Isaiah Isaiah 9. What? How's he how's he gonna deal with Isaiah 9 and so you heard him talk about wonderful and because Muhammad was wonderful and he was nice to people and and even people you know so nice to people they convert to Islam and counselor because he gave guidance in all of life and And then he went on to everlasting father and he came up with this wild connection of since he's the last of the prophets then he's the father of all prophethood and Prince of Peace because Islam brings peace and an increase of his government and of peace there will be no end and this is the teachings of and Just remember going hey hey you skipped something you skipped Mighty God Mighty God it's right there on the text of the page but he just Skimped right back that he mentioned it didn't tried it doesn't elsewhere say oh by the way You know that's obviously some kind of textual variant or some type of change I mean as I've been again listening this this morning.

We had three hours of it in this morning. It was just over and over again. I kept thinking to myself when he finds what he thinks like Isaiah 42 which is Clearly in the New Testament identified as a prophetic passage of the Messiah.

It's quoted in that way Talks about you know opening the eyes of the blind Jesus himself made application this way, but no no no no no that Just gets skipped and ignored. But when you you're trying to when you're finding alleged prophecies of Muhammad and by the way Anything that has to do with Saudi Arabia the Arabian Peninsula Anything that can even be remotely connected to Mecca or Anything down that direction is gonna be dredged up as some type of a prophecy Of a prophet coming from that area.

It just doesn't doesn't matter what it is. They will find a way to do it. Anyway as I'm listening to all this there's never a question never a question as to the accuracy of The text they're citing when they find in it some way of reading Muhammad in the text but When it comes to anything that would contradict Muhammad being found the text or for example, they're just just Ravaging John 14 and 16 to force Muhammad into the paraclete passage.

Well, then Bible's a mixture of human and divine and and the the Quran is the determiner of which is which and so in other words you Take this book that is completely disconnected historically from the Bible.

Unlike the the intimate connection between the old and the new. Where you have constant Citation and constant reference and fulfillment language and quotation after quotation after quotation I mean boy if I had that driven home to me as I've been preaching through Hebrews Wow quotation after quotation after quotation intimate connection between Tanakh and the New Covenant.

None of that in the Quran utter disconnection the closest that the only meaningful thing you can say is the author of the Quran and a knowledge of the oral Transmission of portions of the Old and New Testament texts and primarily the Old Testament texts not New Testament texts.

That's it. He had heard stories around campfires. That's it. It's best you can do but despite all of that despite the complete disconnection the Quran becomes The lens through which everything else has to be read.

And so you just simply dismiss as you know, I was thinking about I was listening. He was talking about a particularly wise man who is quoted in the Quran who allegedly lived long before Muhammad's time.

And I was sitting there thinking, you know. The people these folks quote the people these folks rely upon to disassemble the Old and New Testaments. They come up with methods for determining whether something Jesus said was actually in the synoptic Gospels was actually said and they they rate him and things like that and and you know There needs to be multiple references and and there's all these rules they come up with.

Those same people would not for an instant give the slightest credibility in any way shape or form To the Quran citation of some ancient person that no one's ever heard of this person before. Allegedly lived long ago.

This is just the only source we have and it's Years and years and years and years and years down the road far more removed than anything found in in the New Testament certainly in the Old Testament and yet they just accept it at face value while accepting the critical dismissal of Things that are far better attested in the Old and New Testaments than what you have in the Quran.

Just that this incredible inconsistency. So listening to all that and I just I Would love to ask Jamal. By the way, what about mighty God? What what what what about you know, I mean You know, I would love to go through all of you know, he did Deuteronomy 18.

He did John for all that stuff. We've we've done it before you can see the the ABN videos the Muhammad marathon stuff that I've done where you've gone through those texts and we've gone through Song of Solomon 516, which he brought up.

You can go through all that stuff and just you can just blow it all away. It's not difficult to do though. Some of them do require a lot of Old Testament background research to be able to give a meaningful and full response but to to go to Isaiah 9 and Over and over again.

I'd hear him say it's just so clear. It's just so plain. This has to be the Prophet Muhammad. Well, what does he do with Isaiah 53? Who's that? Who's that? I? Mean because if you can find in something about Mount Paran something about Muhammad.

Then how in the world can you not see the crucifixion and Isaiah 53? The double standard is again the primary reason why a person of truth just simply cannot accept this kind of Argumentation it is it is just so clear and and and right there right right in front of you now.

Isaiah 29:12 and the Mormon Claim of a Sealed Book

Let me roll this back. Here's here's here's the quiz for today. Here's the quiz for today. Here's what I'm looking for. I'm going to play you a section of Jamal Badawi Making a connection to his prophet from the Bible and what I'm looking for is someone to call up and tell me What other religion?

Has utilized the same text and the same argumentation in support of their prophet other than Islam? Now that this first one will be a religious group the second one will also be a religious group, but not necessarily a non-christian religious group just a unique interesting Religious group don't you dare ruin anything?

No, I nobody's allowed to call before you actually play it. That would be a good idea. Yeah. Okay, but you're gonna need to tell me What religious group it is and how they do it? So let's let's see if this is even gonna work because this may you know, this may not work.

All right. So here we go. Here's here. This came. Let me see. This this came less than 45 seconds to a minute after what we just listened to okay, so it's in the same lecture. Here's here's Jamal Badawi.

Islam As you know the first revelation that came to Prophet Muhammad as narrated in all authentic historical references that he was meditating in the cave of Hira outside of Mecca. And then it says angel Gabriel came to him and he had him very strongly said read or recite.

He said I can't read actually the original Arabic word maana baqari which could mean what shall I read or I can't read or I'm not learned. Baqari also means somebody who's learned I'm not learned and then the angel held him twice and then he started Dictating on him the first the revelation that came from the Quran.

This is something that has been universally understood and accepted by all authorities. Let me just quote you from Isaiah chapter 29 Verse 12 and see how that description is Consistent. It's not exactly the same as has been given to how revelation came first to Prophet Muhammad.

Again in Isaiah 29 12 it says and the book is delivered to him that is not learned. Saying read this I pray thee and he says I am not learned. Telling just word for word almost word for word what the Prophet responded to.

Prophet to angel Gabriel. So this is one that's how the revelation first is going to come to him and that he would be Unlearned and everybody knows that the Prophet was of course Unlearned he's not it was not literate.

Okay, there you go. Isaiah 29 12 and It's fulfilled in Muhammad being illiterate. I cannot read and what you have in the In the cave and and when was Gabriel comes and all the rest of that fun stuff. What other world religion has utilized Isaiah?

2912 in the context of a proof or demonstration of The Prophet hood of its. Well, I'll give you a hint. Founding prophet. Pretty easy dividing that line via Skype 877 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 is the phone number and What you get is a free copy of Scripture alone Scripture Alone written by the bald pseudo Scottish man, and that's me.

So Scripture alone 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 is the phone number if you want to get on the program and give us show us your great in-depth understanding of Apologetics and things relevant to that. I have somebody in the channel saying I have Scripture alone.

And so I'm just obviously not gonna call in on something like that just because I have. Which means I have absolutely no use for you know a second one. But let's let's see if if anyone in the state of Maine can possibly know something like this.

Hello, Dan of Maine. Hey, dr. White. How you doing? I'm doing pretty well.

Excellent, well my my answer even before your gracious hint I was thinking. Yeah, so you familiar with the context a little bit not a whole lot to be honest I just remember. Hearing a brief sketch on in fact if that matter, but yes just in regards to Joe.

Yes. Yes. Well specifically.

The the application that was made of this particular text was actually in regards to Joseph Smith transcribing some of the alleged characters from the Golden Plates and Taking them to a scholar who said I cannot read them and that this was a supposed to be a fulfillment of Isaiah 29.

And it's a sealed book and so on and so forth. And so if you want to read some more about that you can find the discussion of it as I recall I'm doing this off the top of my head, but as I recall there is a discussion of it In a marvelous work and a wonder by LeGrand Richards.

So, but yes, this was Egyptian hieroglyphics reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics. Yes, which are quite embarrassing to the the modern LDS Church but yes, the reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics, which allegedly the Golden Plates were written in and Yeah, that was that was the story.

There's there's actually a lot of conflict about the scholar. And what he allegedly said and all the rest that stuff, but yes there it's not difficult to draw parallels not difficult to draw parallels at all between Mormonism and Islam.

Despite the fact that their conclusions as to the nature of God or could not possibly before more fully removed from one another. You know Muhammad right here Surah 61 6 I'm prophesied in Scripture. Joseph Smith Inserted an entire chapter into Genesis all about him's a prophet named Joseph.

So there seems to be you know. Once you you adopt that prophet mantle you can pretty much do what you want to do at that point.

And yeah, I was thinking when I was listening to the Jubal Recording there I was just thinking I think you could probably if you wanted to you could probably find Winston Churchill and that Isaiah 9 I Mean you could you could pretty much find Anything especially for those that are kind of into the Bible code.

Oh, yes.

Once you abandon meaningful rules of interpretation of any any text at all I mean as I pointed out my debate with Shabir Ali in London on this subject. I found a Hebrew word Shabar. And found a text where it's used and made a prophetic application to Shabir Ali coming to London so You know once context and meaning and stuff like that is thrown out.

You can prove anything you want and Harold camping is Deming's demonstrating that today. Just as well and once you abandon that stuff. You cannot claim that you are actually Speaking for God that what you're saying has anything to do with God because you no longer are concerned about what God has actually said.

So, all right, Dan, thank you very much. I'm gonna put you on hold here so that Mr. Mr. Pierce can get the information from you. You've done the state of Maine. Well, thank you, sir. All right put Dan back on hold there so rich can get his information and there's the first one.

So actually I'm being told the DL still appears offline on Skype. Dividing dot-line it is it is up. It is not up. Do I need to tell people they can get in that way or cannot get in that way. They can get in that way.

So the person in the channel is confused. Okay. All right. Well, as long as that's what you're telling me, I've just got to go with what the man says. Okay. All right. So here comes the second of our quiz information today now this next group.

This I'm not looking for someone supporting a profit here I'm looking for what group utilizes this same text of scripture in A particular way that is just as challengeable as the way that dr. Battery will use it here.

So what group? Utilizes the scripture he's going to use here in an ironically similar fashion. But for a completely different purpose, I found this sort of humorous actually.

Okay, here we go. And finally, there's also a prophecy that we find in the Bible. And that this scripture given to that prophet that from profit will be preserved in its purity for the shortest time. I just give the reference in the Psalms of David number 12 verses 6 and 7.

Psalm 12:6–7 and the King James Only Use of Preservation

It talks again about God promising to Peter preserve that Word of his in its purity. Again, if you look at it objectively and historically There is no other the relation or scripture in the entire history of mankind That remained intact in its original language with ample evidence Available that it has never changed or added or mixed with any other philosophy.

But one and that is the last revelation the Quran.

8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 or dividing that line on Skype 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. What religious group utilizes that text in the Same way that all battle he does but for a different book actually we're a completely different purpose.

Let me. Do we have somebody on Skype? Let me see. Looks like we might have somebody on Skype. Okay, I was gonna play it again. Let me go ahead. Let me go ahead and play it again. And then we'll take the take the whoever came in first.

And that this scripture given to that prophet that from profit will be preserved in its purity for the shortest time I just give the reference in the Psalms of David Number 12 verses 6 and 7 it talks again about God promising to Peter preserve that Word of his in its purity.

Again, if you look at it objectively and historically There is no other the relation or scripture in the entire history of mankind That remained intact in its original language with ample evidence Available that it has never changed or added or mixed with any other philosophy.

But one and that is the last revelation the Quran given to. Okay.

Okay, so so there you go, so who is the first one up there mr. Pierce. Who is first one up here? Number. Okay. All right. So let's talk with Cody on Skype. Hi Cody. Hi, dr. White. How are you? I'm doing all right.

How are you? Doing just great. So Psalm 12 6 and 7. How about it? I Think that that would be the King James only is that's correct. Ding ding ding ding ding. Fact we made available. I don't know about six months or so ago I remember I was listening to this debate back in December.

So it was about six months ago We posted online posted in our AOM in store the Audio of the debate that I did with oh now the name is escaping me. Who was it? It was a nice debate too on King James only as and we did it on the dividing line years and years and years years ago.

And the name is just for some reason just leapt out of my mind. See, I could remember what Jamal Badawi said, but I can't remember the guy debate on it. Anyways, and some 12 6 through 7 was one of the key texts that we examined at that particular point in time and of course the King James only folks make application to the King James version of the Bible and There Jamal Badawi made application to the Quran.

Neither of which Honors the original context of Psalm 12 6 through 7 in any way shape or form. Because of course English language did not exist at the time the writing of Psalm 12 let alone a 17th century Anglican translation thereof and To stretch this to some Arabic revelation That would come Who knows over a thousand years after the time of the writing of the psalm?