Witnessing to Mormons part 4: Priesthood

Second Timothy 2 15 be diligent to present yourself approved to God a worker who does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth

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Here's James White and welcome to the dividing line My name is Rich Pierce filling in for James White today.

He's gonna be speaking down in Tucson Actually, I believe he should be just ramping up today. This was kind of a surprise

It was one of those things to where someone with as busy a schedule as James has

Suddenly he went. Oh my I think I'm supposed to be speaking in Tucson next weekend and rich. Can you do the show?

so we've kind of Decided to pick up where we left off a few weeks ago with the topic of Mormonism we were going to be discussing the

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints again today and I am by myself today

So I've been kind of taking solace or you know, this great feeling of having numbers here in the studio

So today I'm by myself and I'm going to be teaching and going through the

Mormon priesthoods What is your authority Latter -day Saints? That's the big question

Oftentimes they ask us when we sit down with them And this is a subject that oftentimes really confuses

Christians because it's a subject That studying about the Aaronic priesthood in the

Old Testament the Levitical priesthood and getting into all the ins and outs and intricacies Most Christians aren't very familiar with it's really not a subject that we

That really hits us where we live in In the New Testament as we as we live our lives

Obviously, it's important to know our Old Testament and to to read it over and over it is

God's Word no question about it is two -thirds of God's Word to us, but the intricacies oftentimes

Get lost on us. We find ourselves in situations where we reading through the the Old Testament and we get hung up on The so -and -so begets so -and -so begets so -and -so begets so -and -so and it kind of loses our attention

You know, we kind of fall asleep there and trying to trudge through it But in point of fact, you're going to find that there's some some things oftentimes that we've read over in the

Old Testament That there's a great deal of detail there for instance the

Aaronic priesthood now when we look at what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day

Saints is Constructed one of the things that really kind of puzzles us is that we have as Christians we have our

Christian churches and we have our denominations, etc, but Mormons do something unusual they build temples and That kind of puzzles us oftentimes.

It's like wait a minute. What's what's the deal with the temple? Why why a temple? Why is that necessary?

Well They're not Sacrificing or doing a lot of the things that they did in the

Old Testament in the temple. So so why why bother? What's that all about? well, the

Mormon Church believes that it is in fact the restoration of the true church and I'm going to go through through some quotes here and talking about basically what's known as the restoration of the gospel the

Mormon Church actually teaches that Shortly after all the Apostles died out the gospel authority that the

Apostles had died with them and therefore the church was In apostasy until Joseph Smith came along 1900 years later and Was was given a vision.

He had that first vision and as he was pursuing a religious Answer to his questions and Suddenly he has this vision as he says in 1838 of God the

Father and his son Jesus Christ, and he's asking the question Well, which one of these churches should

I join and we've kind of covered this a good bit a few weeks ago But to retrace it the vision in in his account

The the son says to him you're to join none of them for they are all an abomination all their professors are

Corrupt and all their creeds are an abomination in his sight and He then is instructed to start his own church and he according to him in 1829 receives the priesthood

And let me go through this a little bit with you from the great apostasy a book written by Milton R Hunter He says the

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints proclaims the restoration of the gospel and the

Reestablishment of the church as of old in this the dispensation of the fullness of times such restoration and the holy and Reestablishment with the modern bestowal of the holy priesthood would be unnecessary and indeed

Impossible had the Church of Christ continued among men with unbroken succession of priesthood and power now

There are many groups out there that claim that they are God's Church because of what's called

Apostolic succession that the authority was in fact handed down from the

Apostles and what Hunter is going into is The fact that he that the church teaches that that authority wasn't handed down So there's no apostolic succession.

And so the Mormon Church is actually buying into this that an apostolic succession should have taken place so unbroken succession of priesthood and power since the meridian of time the restored church affirms that a general apostasy developed during and after the apostolic period and that the primitive church lost its power its authority and graces as a divine institution and degenerated into an earthly organization only the significance and importance of the great apostasy as a condition precedent to the

Reestablishment of the church in modern times is obvious If the alleged apostasy listen closely if the alleged apostasy of the primitive church was not a reality

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints is not the divine institution its name proclaims so the significance there is

It's pretty heavy -duty. He he talks about the fact that it really rests solidly on the fact that this

Apostasy had to have taken place and there are many questions we can ask along those lines

But we're gonna focus on the fact that the Mormon Church when they say

When they ask you what is your authority you sit down with them and you start quoting Bible verses and you start showing them the word

Of God they ask you a question. Well, what is your authority and oftentimes? This is a question.

That's just totally lost on Christians What do you mean? What's my authority? What does that mean?

Well what they're asking you is is what is your Authorities to speak in behalf of God unless you have that priesthood that they're talking about that they believe that they hold

You have no authority. You have no right to be quoting the Word of God You have no right to to minister to them because you can't speak on behalf of God from the book doctrines of salvation

Volume 3 page 80. That's a book set written by Joseph Fielding Smith Who was prophet of the

Mormon Church from 1970 to 1972? He says that man cannot act legally in the name of the

Lord unless he is Vested with the priesthood, which is divine authority from this same volume page 132 he says that the fullness of the priesthood is required for exaltation that's the title of the passage in the quote from it is that there is no exaltation in the kingdom of God without the fullness of the priesthood and one other quote

From Orson Pratt who was one of the early Mormon Apostles in the days of Brigham Young and Orson Pratt is always good for a colorful quote this gentleman

Well, he didn't pull any punches in his day and oftentimes quotes from him Kind of come back to to haunt modern -day

Mormons, but this is what he has to say in his book the seer on page 255

Now listen to this if you are a minister of the gospel this should hit you right square where you live

But who in this generation have authority to baptize? None, but those who have received authority in the

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints All other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God And any person who receives baptism or the

Lord's Supper from their hands will highly offend God For he looks upon them as the most corrupt of all people

Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon whom the

Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as Having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness and any person who shall be so wicked

A holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of those apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them

Unless they repent of the unholy and impious act. Do you think the gentleman is being at all vague?

Not at all. He is very clear this is the foundation of which the Mormon Church has over the years and Again, the modern

Mormon Church is trying to get away from this But this is the foundation in which they have said time and time again that they are the only true church on the earth today

This is a major Foundational doctrine for them

Moving right along let's let's talk about the different priesthoods that the Mormon Church believes it it holds now again in 1829

Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery Well To focus they believe that they had a vision

Joseph Smith had a vision where the Aaronic priesthood is bestowed upon him

Now just to get into what your average Mormon is going to Believe and where they're going to be at they believe

Let's say you got the missionaries coming to the house and they're dressed up in the white shirts and the dark ties These gentlemen believe they hold both the

Aaronic and the Melchizedek priesthoods And these are the priesthoods, especially the

Melchizedek It's the as they call it the high priesthood they believe this is what empowers them to be able to act and speak on behalf of God and They use in the

King James Version Well, we'll be quoting primarily from the King James today primarily because when

I'm ministering to Mormons when we do we try to use The version that they accept we obviously from where this ministry comes from.

We predominantly use a new American standard We don't have a problem with the other translations per se as much as that when we're communicating with a

Mormon They're going to be more receptive to hearing the King James Version of the Bible now before we dig into this

I do want to challenge you if you're a Mormon out there and you're listening to me today And let's say you disagree with what

I have to say or let's say you'd like to clarify you feel I'm not giving the whole story. I invite you to give us a call at 5 0 8 0 9 60 5 0 8 0 9 60

I'd enjoy talking with you Hebrews 5 4 and no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God as was

Aaron so the Mormon missionary who comes to your home believes that he was called of God the same way that Aaron was called and If you're at all familiar with your

Old Testament That makes for an interesting premise right up front the Aaronic priest

Had some conditions and we're going to get into what those conditions are But essentially for a

Mormon, it's my understanding. I've never seen this happen, but it's my understanding that essentially someone holding the priesthood confers

Very much like Joseph Smith tells the story Confers the Aaronic priesthood onto the head of a kneeling young man, and he places his hands on the young man's head and he confers the priesthood and Give or take that's pretty much about it

And so He during this time is also given something called a patriarchal blessing

In this blessing. He is also told What tribe he is a part of so I guess in a sense?

He's like adopted into one of the tribes one of the the twelve tribes and he's given the name of the tribe that he is

He's been adopted into well, here's the thing We're gonna get into some

Old Testament passages here and one thing right up front the Aaronic priest had to be of the tribe of Levi and virtually every

Mormon that we've ever talked to who would share this information with us when we ask them what tribe their

Patriarchal blessing is of it's either Ephraim or Manasseh and So right up front there of the wrong tribe

So we have some questions for the Aaronic priest and I'm reading from I'm using a tract that we use

It's called a test for the Aaronic priest and it's a very interesting tract You can read through it in about two or three to five minutes and it asks some fundamental questions right up front

The first question asked is did the ceremony by which you were called last seven days if we look at?

Exodus 29 35 we're looking at how Aaron was called Aaron was called in such a way that first of all, obviously

God said this is how it's to be and he chose Aaron And I always found it fascinating that he didn't choose

Moses But he chose Aaron because Moses specifically had other duties to to take care of but in Exodus 29 35

It says and thus thou shalt do unto Aaron and to his sons According to all things which

I have commanded thee seven days thou shalt consecrate them So the first question

I have for the Mormon missionary or the Mormon who who believes he holds the Aaronic priesthood is

Did your ceremony last seven days? How long did it last?

the second question is Where were you washed with water and then dressed in priestly garments including a breastplate and ephod a robe and a coat?

if we look at Exodus 28 verses 2 through 4 and verses chapter 29 verses 4 through 5 we find that all of these things were put upon the

Aaronic priest to be and so they were dressed up in these this garb for their ceremony and That's obviously the next question.

We want to ask the Aaronic priest Again 5 0 8 0 9 60 5 0 8 0 9 60.

Are you a holder of the Aaronic priesthood? Give us a call. We'd be interested in hearing from you today now question number three

Did you lay your hands upon the head of a bullock which was then killed? according to Exodus 29 verses 10 and 11

The only time anybody laid hands on anybody's head

It was the priest to be laying the hands laying his hands on the head of an animal and In this particular passage, it is a bullock and the bullock is then killed now here we get back to Interestingly enough the the priest's job was in the

Old Testament was what? What kind of things did they do? They oh, they offered sacrifices.

That's right. They offered Sacrifices and so that's that's an interesting contrast here.

We're not quite Offering sacrifices as Aaronic priests riding around on bicycles. Are we?

So The next question we would ask would be question number four. Did you lay your hands on the head of a ram?

Which was then killed and offered as a burnt offering Hmm how about question number five and then of course, that's from Exodus 29 verses 15 through 18 and again the common thing that the

Mormon missionary says is I've been called of God as was Aaron called of God as was

Aaron. So these are the key questions behind this Question number five actually. Yes here

Did you lay your hands upon a second ram which was then killed? Some of the blood was then put on your right ear and the thumb of your right hand

Now folks you may think that I'm just going through a bunch of gibberish stuff here And why am

I going through all these questions? But if you're a Mormon missionary if you're a Mormon young man who believes he holds the

Aaronic priesthood These are legitimate questions and the Mormon knows exactly what I'm talking about here.

He knows what kind of questions I'm asking here and he Is probably not familiar with these passages most of the

Mormon missionaries That I've talked to about this that we brought this subject up with have never even looked at it

They're not encouraged to look at it So the question is how do they know they were called of God as was

Aaron when they've never even looked at how Aaron was called Let's continue on Did these sacrifices continue daily?

during the entire seven -day period If the answer to any of these questions is no

Then you were never called of God even as Aaron was now

Maybe you've talked about the the priesthood with Mormon missionaries Maybe you've talked with more missionaries.

I do want to say this. I Recognize that today's show is going to be touching on a subject of in Mormonism that necessarily a lot of Christians aren't

That familiar with and so I do want to take questions general questions on general

Mormonism in general today If you've got some questions for me believers and how to witness to your

Mormon friends and relatives go and give us a call five zero eight zero nine sixty and We will proceed with this subject

But I would continue I would encourage you to take notes here and take a look at the passages that I'm citing in In In the

Bible here talking about the priesthood because you know, I'd tell you something I'll tell you a little anecdote here.

One of the things we do when we go to Salt Lake City about 334 o 'clock in the afternoon just before things wrap up for us

They start lining up up there and I mean they line up half a city block long

All these men waiting to get into the priesthood session and we take this tract called. What is your authority?

An examination of the Mormon priesthoods in light of God's Word the Bible or we'll take this other track that I'm reading from A test for the

Aaronic priest and we'll walk up and down that line Passing out the tracks now.

We did this years ago going from the front of the line to the back of the line and Boy, I tell you, you know, they just gobbled them up like crazy because they're just kind of standing there with nothing to do

But these guys every one of them either the young kids the young boys are waiting and just about to get the priest

Well, actually you can't get into the priesthood session unless you have the priesthood So at age 12 a young Mormon man can get the priesthood by age 12

And so that's kind of thing where things start out And I do want to also mention in passing here that this

Issue also has some racial overtones within the Mormon Church it wasn't until 1978 that even though a

White or Caucasian 12 year old boy could get the priesthood. It wasn't until 1978 that they let blacks have the priesthood and it is interesting that when the the

Ezra Taft Benson I believe was gave the the revelation on that to most all the other most all the other revelations in the

Doctrine and Covenants you read start off with thus saith the Lord or something real powerful like that and Ezra Taft Benson Ezra Taft Benson started his off with to whom it may concern and at that point in time he then opened up the office of the

Aaronic priesthood and the priesthoods in general to to non Caucasian people that had to do with the fact that the

Mormon Church believed that the the the black skin had to do with the curse of Cain and we got into that a few weeks ago about the fact that Noah and the flood kind of canceled out the line of Cain right there and Just ate were saved.

Let's continue on with with our questions and And cover some ground here.

Now. We've covered the fact we've gone through the fact that in Exodus 29 or in You can get into Leviticus.

I believe it's Leviticus chapter 29 Or no

Exodus 29 and I'm looking in my notes here for the Leviticus Quote I apparently didn't write that down but the same

Ceremonies are also recorded in Leviticus. These are good things to be familiar with Now as we go through the test for the

Aaronic priest we get towards the end of the tract and it tells a little story

From number 16 verses 1 through 40 and I was kind of joke around about this. I always kind of I read this passage

And I want to get into a little let me tell you a little story about a man named Korah and all of his buddies well

Moses and the guys are getting all the attention Moses and Aaron and Aaron's sons and you know back in those days they seem to be the only guys that That did anything that had the authority got to talk to God and do all the good fun stuff, you know

Well, there was also a guy named Korah and he was kind of influential I kind of likened him to a little bit of a politician in the day and Korah and some of his buddies started talking amongst themselves and they're going hey, man, you know, this is not really cool

You know Aaron and Moses get to do everything. I think we should be able to get the priesthood

Let's go to Moses and and demand that we get to be able to have the priesthood and you can read there and Starting in chapter 1 or chapter 16 of the book of Numbers about how

Korah went about doing all this and Moses interestingly enough, even though he'd already been told by God what the situation was and that it was strictly to be

The the family of Aaron and that they had to be Levites And as I recall

Korah was a Levite, but he was not of the family of Aaron now as we

Take a look at this story we have him going to Moses and you know kind of stirring things up and his political buddies are right there his party and Moses decides to inquire of God about this and so he asks

God about the whole thing and God Says I'll tell you what you take

Korah and you take all of his guys and you set them aside

Get them away from the camp. Take his whole family. Take everything that belongs to him and set him aside

Put him over just away from the camp and stand and see what I do and here in verse

Let's see I'm gonna start at verse 28 of Numbers chapter 16 and Moses said hereby you shall know that the

Lord has sent me To do all these works for I have done none of them of my own mind

If these men die the common death of all men or if they be visited after the visitation of all men

Then the Lord hath not sent me but if the Lord make a new thing and the earth open her mouth and swallow them up with all that Appertain unto them and they go down quick into the pit

Then you shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord. They've provoked the Lord and It came about as he had made an end of speaking all these words that the ground clave asunder it opened up and That was under them and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up and their houses and all the men that appertained unto

Korah after their goods They and all that appertained to them went down alive into the pit and the earth closed upon them and they perished from among the

Congregation and all Israel that round that were round about them fled at the cry of them for they said lest the earth swallow us up also and there came out a fire from the

Lord and consumed the 250 men that offered incense Chorus buddies were so bold as to offer some incense to God Well, let's continue on down here a little bit further

In verse 38 and this is the message that anyone I don't care if you're

Mormon or not Anyone who says that he holds the Aaronic priesthood or wants to hold the

Aaronic priesthood Should understand what this memorial in the book of Numbers is all about In verse 38.

It says the censors of these sinners against their own souls. Let them Let them make them broad plates for a covering of the altar for they offered them before the

Lord Therefore they are hallowed and they shall be a sign unto the children of Israel.

What's the sign folks? And Ellie East took the brazen censors wherewith that were wherewith they that were

Burnt had offered and they were made a broad made broad plates for a covering of the altar

To be a memorial unto the children of Israel that no stranger Which is not of the seed of Aaron come near and offer incense before the

Lord That he be not as Cora and his company as the Lord said to him by the hand of Moses Wow So we've got a situation here where to recap

Cora Dathan and a Byron there are men who are of the right tribe Levi, but of the wrong family

They were not of the sons of Aaron, but they said everyone was holy and rebelled against Moses God decided

Lost my place here God decided to give the people quite an object lesson at this point

To be a memorial unto the children of Israel that no stranger Which is not of the seed of Aaron come near to offer incense before the

Lord that he be not as Cora and his son So quite simply he caused the ground to open up and swallow them in other words

God killed them and that with a flourish Cora was toast. We'll be right back.

You're listening to the dividing line and we're back. My name is Rich Pierce I'm sitting in for James White today who is speaking in Tucson or is actually traveling back from Tucson as we speak

We are talking about the Mormon priesthoods today, and we are about to get into the

Melchizedek Melchizedek priesthood, which is what's known as the high priesthood now This is the one that so many people have lots of questions about but before we get into it

I want to talk about a couple of things as a trailer to the last half hour on the the On the

I don't know what the guys in the studio are saying they're giving me a thumbs up for something I said, I don't exactly know what it is, but the the

Aaronic priesthood The priesthood was not conferred to Joseph Smith until 1829 hmm

It says in Doctrine and Covenants Doctrine and Covenants section 84 that no man can see

God the Father without the priesthood and live hmm make some interesting thought material there if you're familiar with the first vision claims of Joseph Smith where he claimed

Starting in 1838 that's pretty much the earliest date where he explicitly says that he saw

God the Father and his son Jesus Christ But kind of make some interesting Thinking there when he says that he saw

God the Father and Jesus Christ in 1820. He didn't have the priesthood So what's that all about?

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But before we get into the Melchizedek priesthood Let's talk to Randy in Apache Junction.

How you doing today, Randy? Good. Thank you, man What's your question today? I just want to know the early prophecy that was in the church if that had any if They had like with the different doctrines that from the forefathers and if they had anything to do with These cults that came about in Christianity in some regards

I think you can trace a lot of it to the Roman Catholic Church and Some of the oppression that was going on at the time

But I think if you look at the circumstance with Joseph Smith, I don't see that I think you you see a young man who is is frankly very confused and he you know starts searching around and starts well at the same time he had quite the imagination and So well a lot of their doctrines are

You've got Gnosticism going on here you've got all kinds of different similarities between ancient heresies and the modern cults

But I'm not really familiar with a tie -in or a succession there

Does that answer your question Yeah, pretty much but you know the thing is the

Mormon Church they talk about the apostasy and there having been a complete and total apostasy and While there are what we call the dark ages

And I think they were dark ages, but I don't think you can say that there was a complete and total apostasy I think faithful men and women

To God and God's Word were were given his gospel through the ages and and that was passed down to coin a phrase, but That's kind of where where I go with that.

I just don't see necessarily a Secession of heresy if that's what you're going after.

Yeah, that's what I want to know because it just doesn't I Just don't understand how they could read the same

Bible you know and say it's true and and yet Well, you look at the look at New Age Look at all of our modern cult kind of groups that are popping up right and left

How easy is it for them to simply invent things on their own? in in in days long ago, you know you look back a hundred years ago, it was vogue if you will to follow somebody that was of authoritative in nature in fact it was just Maybe 20 years ago 30 years ago

It was still in vogue to find somebody that had some new ideas some interesting ideas that captured your imagination

And it was really how easy was it to to sit back and say well You know what the Bible is not completely right you can't really trust the

Bible take my word for it That is just rampant today. Yeah, and in that that is from the heart of man

It is his pride. It is his sin nature. It is his rebellion against God in And not willing to be obedient But even if you look at for instance of extreme cults like Heaven's Gate you look at Jim Jones and Guiana You look at those kinds of groups that are so willing to believe the lie that they give their very word their lives

Yeah, they give up their very lives to believe a lie Because the truth

Convicts them of their sin and won't let them Won't let them live the lie, and they'd rather live the lie

Do you think this has anything to do with the election? Absolutely Absolutely, I think you look at the fact that You know for instance.

We've said it a number of years people ask us well. You guys are Calvinists Why do you bother going to Salt Lake I mean those people are so hard -hearted

Why do you deal with all these? Hard -hearted groups and yet you just continue and continue and continue You know why don't you just sit back and say you know what

God's not gonna save those people anyway You know well you know what when we go up there the neatest thing about it and I wasn't a

Calvinist when I first started going to Salt Lake City and One of the best realizations that I came to was understanding

God's sovereignty and salvation Because when I was up there the individual I was talking to their salvation rested upon my shoulders

And how good I was at persuading. Yeah, you see that yeah, and when

I came to an understanding of The fact that God is up there and God is using me to share his truth

Not only for the salvation of the soul of souls but also for the judgment of souls those souls that talked with me that took my track that that Whatever I interaction

I had with them They're not gonna be able to stand before the judgment seat of God and say but Lord. I didn't have a chance

He's gonna be saying wait a minute. I sent somebody to you, and you rejected them you would not hear them

But yet at the same time when I go up there. I know what I'm doing is calling out the elect I know that as I share truth

God will not let that return void And he will draw his elect out of the

Mormon Church with the truth that he's prepared me with So it does have a lot to do with election.

It really does Yes, absolutely we're commanded in the

Great Commission to reach out and to share his truth And that's the beautiful thing of understanding the role that God has given us in this process to to share it

He's using us to share his truth, and it is a tremendous privilege to do so Thank you very much.

I appreciate it you bet. Thanks for calling Okay, now we're gonna get back into the

Melchizedek priesthood Going through that it is like I said an area of confusion it's not at all common or it is common for the

Mormon to sit down and Start beginning to begin to share on the issue of authority with the

Christian the fact that they believe that they have the authority and this is one of the more fun passages that they like to use

Hebrews 7 verse 11 and 12 if therefore if therefore

Perfection were by the Levitical priesthood for under it that people receive the law what further need was there that another priest should rise?

After the order of Melchizedek and not be called after the order of Aaron for the priesthood being changed

There is a necessity a change of necessity a change also of the law now you and I read that and I think it's pretty straightforward it's talking about the the the old priesthood and how that priesthood has been done away because it's been fulfilled in Jesus Christ and that is very important to understand and He he completed the requirements of it again

We need to focus on the fact that the Aaronic priesthood and its role was to offer sacrifices Jesus Christ was the

Lamb of God. He was the ultimate sacrifice. There can be no greater sacrifice but what the

Mormon does with this as they say see there needs to be a priesthood after the order of Melchizedek and so they infer there that in they they see infer that this is an order of priesthood and so we need to have

Melchizedek priests the same order of Jesus Christ, this is the the the order

Of of Christ's priesthood. Let me let me read from our tract. What is your authority?

much more important than the Aaronic priesthood in Mormon thought is the Holy Priesthood after the order of the

Son of God or the Melchizedek priesthood this priesthood can comprehends the

Aaronic or Levitical priesthood and Is the grand head and holds the highest authority which pertains to the priesthood and is the channel through which all knowledge doctrine?

the plan of salvation and every Important matter is revealed from heaven Obviously this supposed authority is very important to the

LDS Church. But again, does the Bible support such a teaching? We're going to first examine the qualifications of the

Melchizedek priest as given in the Bible from Hebrews 7 3 in the book of Hebrews and some other passages when we come right back from this break.

You're listening to the dividing line And we're back rich peers sitting in for James White on today's dividing line

Doing the best I can as I crunch through it. We're at five zero eight zero nine sixty five zero eight zero nine sixty

We're at the last portion of the show. We're covering the Melchizedek priesthood We are we have been going through the

Aaronic priesthood in the first half hour and as we cruise through Discussing from the book of Hebrews what the

Melchizedek priesthood is all about again This is a subject oftentimes confuses Christians because like what is this

Melchizedek priesthood? Is this a priesthood like the Levitical priesthood? I don't read that anywhere in the

Old Testament And by the way Just so you know the pretty much the only time Melchizedek is mentioned in the

Old Testament is when he came to Abraham and Abraham Tithed to him.

He he gave a tenth of the spoils that he had collected. In fact, he gave a You know Melchizedek is identified as king of Salem, which is later known as Jerusalem, so anyway

Moving right along here the the work of the Melchizedek priest and what it's all about Let's first examine the qualifications of the

Melchizedek priest as given in the Bible Hebrews 7 verse 3 tells us that Melchizedek was out without father without mother without descent having either beginning of days nor end of life

And this is important to understand that as you're talking and sharing with a Mormon friend

That if you're gonna say you have the Melchizedek priesthood, there's some unique things about the

Melchizedek priest that That are there and you have to deal with before we get in to any further

We're gonna go to Dave on line one. How are you today? Dave? Hey pretty good rich. How about yourself?

And what can I do for you? You know, it strikes me as somewhat arrogant of the

Mormons to have this Exclusive club if you will

You know the secrecy within the temple what goes on as far as receiving the

Melchizedek priesthood and such it it's it's it smells a lot of brainwashing

You know the reluctance of the Mormons when you're discussing issues with them to actually

Be challenged or allow themselves to be challenged by the issue especially with the missionaries

Well, the thing is you have to understand is when you come from a perspective where you are representing the only true church on earth today

You're gonna come across that way the things that are gonna accompany that are

Well, I don't know if I like using the word arrogant, but it's gonna come across as that these these gentlemen

Frankly if you think about it, it's hot outside It's when we came in about a hundred degrees and these guys are out there riding bicycles

And and frankly, that's how deep the deception goes they're out there riding bicycles and sharing with people believing wholeheartedly very sincerely that they hold these priesthoods and In point of fact the

Bible Is we're about to get into some sections where we're gonna find out that there's only one

Melchizedek priest. Thank you for your call today Dave and the Getting into the the scriptures that we're talking about here

Hebrews 7 3 first of all You need to understand when you're sharing with your Mormon friend or relative that if you're gonna say you have the

Melchizedek priesthood Then you are One saying that let's see here.

Where was I? Without father without mother without descent having beginning of day neither beginning of days nor end of life now

Melchizedek kind of shows up out of the blue in the Old Testament There are two ways of understanding him showing up and understanding how the writer of Hebrews is referring to him

One might take the position that says well, he was a theophany in other words he was an angel of the

Lord or something like that or a a Apparition of God some some kind of You know like when

Jake Jacob wrestled with God something like that or you have a scenario Which I think is a little bit more plausible where we don't see anywhere in Scripture his descent his

Descendancy, we don't see him Any stories about him? We don't know where he came from.

We don't know where he went when he left Abraham We just know that he was the king of Salem We know very very little about him and he is having beginning of days nor end of life

Well, that's where you get into the end of life thing. Well, if Melchizedek Was had no end of life

Then there's some deity referred to there Who knows but we have to get into speculation in the arena there, but the writer of Hebrews talks about him and Again, when we talk about after the order of let's specify a couple of things here first of all, the order of is not referring to Him being of an order or a you know a club of priests or something like that what

What it's referring to is that he is like he is one like the Son of God Okay, and that's or Christ is like Melchizedek That's what it's talking about.

And that's all that term is is referring to so it makes it clear that he Melchizedek is only like the

Son of God and He was not the pattern that Jesus followed but rather he was a type of Christ the mere reflection of the full expression of the

Son of God Now this priesthood is also seen on the basis of this passage to be one that is not passed on from one to another

Like the Aaronic priesthood was that's something that you know When I talk about the fact that you when

I first tripped over the Melchizedek priesthood in learning about Mormonism I'm like, what what is this because I I don't see where there was a priesthood as it were

It wasn't passed on from one to another there was a guy in the Old Testament. His name was Melchizedek He yes, he was a priest.

And yes, he was a king and the only time that shows up in In the Old Testament now the work of the

Melchizedek priest is seen in Hebrews 7 24 and 25 where the Bible says But this man

Jesus because he continueth ever hath an unchangeable priesthood Hang on to that word

Unchangeable for a minute wherefore he is also able to save them to the uttermost that come unto

God by him Seeing that he ever liveth to make intercession for them. The priesthood

Jesus hold holds is his Unchangeably or Permanently, that's one thing that we need to hang on to And understand that Jesus Christ alone holds this priesthood.

It is his priesthood He now is the great high priest. That's what the writer of Hebrews is talking about That is what he is explaining here to us that we understand that he has that unchangeable another way of Translating that would be

Intransmissible or perpetual it is his and it is his alone and He makes intercession for them and it is interesting to note that let's see maybe it's in this next

Verse I'm going to quote here, but it's interesting to note that he can save to the uttermost

Those who come unto God by him Now that is another question. You want to ask your

Mormon friend who says he has this this priesthood Can he save to the uttermost the work of the

Melchizedek priesthood? Let's see here I was just about to get to that the priesthood Jesus holds is is his

Unchangeably or permanently some translate this word in transmissible and transmissible Indicating that no one else can hold this priesthood though Some would argue that the translation of the word

Though some would argue with the translation of the word the fact is clear that the person holding this Priesthood by right of eternal life is able to save completely

Those who come unto God by him and claim that few Mormons would knowingly make however

If the LDS Church is going to declare that it has this priesthood It must face the fact that it is professing to have that which according to the

Bible is the property of Jesus Christ Alone, we have a couple of minutes left here in the dividing line

I would like to point out a couple of things here as we go along First of all from Hebrews 8 3

This I find is an interesting passage that if Jesus Christ It says

Hebrews 8 3 it for every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices So it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer

Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all since there are those who offer the gifts

According to the law who serve a copy and a shadow of the heavenly things

Just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle foresee

He says that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain

So Moses is admonished that he is to make all things according to that which God declared to him on the mountain

Now there are some Contradictions that the idea that there is this modern priesthood rolling around out there for us to follow in Matthew 16 18 first of all the idea.

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