July 10, 2003

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega Ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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It is good to have you with us. So way too loud there I think I'm gonna start bleeding from the nose in just a moment. There we go. I think we need to just sort of Weld that particular thing to one particular position.

It's good to have you with us this afternoon. We thought we were going to be roasting out here having rolling blackouts everything else. Everybody had us all freaked out this morning. It's gonna be the hottest day of the year and records are gonna fall all over the place and it hasn't even hit 110.

Which for some of you would be a bad thing but we were expecting 115 116 117 things like that and you start getting within five degrees the all-time high and yeah, that's when it starts getting but it just didn't do it and That demonstrates the fractal nature of weather.

Yes, indeed. Some of you know, I love fractals and Fractal art and and all sorts of stuff like that and see weather is weather is fractal. See it's it's it's very complex. But anyway, that's not really we're talking about today, but it's good to have you with us.

877 -753 -3341 is the phone number. We didn't take any calls last time and in fact, I didn't even I Think I got through four of the clips. I was going to play and I had I think 13 I didn't even get close to playing everything.

I was gonna play last time but That's not really relevant at all because I'm not going to go back to that right now. We might in the future all depending but Unfortunately most the time in responding to To mr. Hunt you're saying the same things over and over again because that's what he's saying over and over again.

And maybe once the book comes out or something like that We can you know do something a little more than that, but for the moment, I don't see it That's really overly overly relevant at this time. What does seem to be very relevant is The issue of whether we can in point of fact Know What the scriptures say now you may not think that's Really much of a relevant question.

You may say well, of course, we know what the the scriptures say you can just read it. Well, of course, there are there are issues that immediately come up when we start talking about The reading of the scriptures the exegesis of the text of scripture.

Did we not in fact discuss? Even in responding to mr. Hunt the fact that he is examining the text of scripture with a set of Presuppositions a set of traditions in his case firmly in place and hence when he looks at Words such as John 6 44 and you have the phrase there is not able his lens his tradition Translates that into is not willing now.

That's not what the words mean, but that's the resultant Understanding That is that is presented and so we recognize that it is important To allow the text to speak for itself, but a how do we do that and be can we do that?

There are certain Individuals or certain people there's certain perspectives out there a day that would indicate that in reality we cannot we we cannot Rid ourselves of our traditions. We cannot rid ourselves of the fact that we stand in a different time in a different place Than did the original writers and and therefore Some would say certain philosophical perspectives In Essence will attempt to tell us That written communication that the written form of language is insufficient to communicate the Word of God in the first place.

There is a philosophical Mindset and there is a philosophical position that in essence Questions whether we can even speak of issues of absolute truth if we do so in human language is human language Capable of engaging this kind of a subject.

But even within the Christian faith you have all sorts of different perspectives. And there are those who in essence would say look the written word for example Roman Catholics Roman Catholic epistemology very frequently will get to the point of saying that the written word cannot be sufficient in of itself because it is not self interpretive and since this written word Goes out into all these different cultures there needs to be an external authority that can then modify that message so that it can be intelligible within a particular cultural context and therefore the the scriptures in essence becomes subjected to this external authority and they become communicators of sort of a Of a conceptual truth.

But not an objective truth and and obviously whatever mechanism you need to interpret the word becomes superior to the word and cannot be examined on the basis of the word and. So there are those that would take that kind of a perspective as well.

And then recently in some discussions. We've we've heard a lot about this idea. That's that we are in essence Looking for the wrong thing when we go to scripture seek seeking purity of doctrine as if the scriptures can give us this kind of of Absolute certainty and and I'm not just talking about on issues where people disagree.

I'm talking here about specific Beliefs that are fundamental and foundational the Christian faith. I've been told recently that you know when you engage in exegesis You obviously are bringing your traditions with you and you cannot escape them.

You simply it's not possible. Evidently, no matter how hard we try How much the the spirit is is with us to desire God's truth that we will always miss it. Because it's just it's just not possible to do.

Well, what I'd like to do today is I would like to look at a passage of scripture that is very relevant this whole discussion. It's relevant specifically to a conversation that we've had on the dividing line before.

Concerning the teachings of various individuals at the Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church Gathering last January in the January before and the resultant theology has come out of that. These individuals are reformed and therefore in fact many of them would say that I am NOT reformed because I am NOT a pedo-baptist, I'm a credo-baptist and and Even then on certain issues.

Especially concerning the nature of the church the extent of the church the character of the church the New Covenant. The meaning of baptism the objects of baptism all these issues are very much on the table right now as we consider the teachings of men like Douglas Wilson and Steve Schlissel and In that context I have raised the issue of the false brethren.

That the Apostle Paul makes reference to in the book of Galatians. This has especially come up when in conversations with Reformed individuals who hold this perspective the assertion has been made that The way to deal for example with Roman Catholicism is not to simply Engage in sloganeering which is the rather Obvious slur that has been cast in my direction that we're in defending sola scriptura and sola fide and sola gratia and sola Christus that these are slogans and That we're just simply Yelling at the Catholics and not engaging them in dialogue because we're just sloganeering.

That's all we're that's all we're doing and In that process it has been said to me and by more than one individual That not only are the Roman Catholics our brothers because they have been they have experienced trinal baptism.

They have experienced baptism named the Father Son and Holy Spirit and hence have been joined to the church as a result of that. But that even the worst Individuals that we can look at within the context of the Catholic Church.

It some have gone so far as to insist that even the worst most immoral murderous corrupt God-hating gospel denying Popes Were our fathers in the faith on the same level as any 16th century reformer. That's a pretty much a Direct quote in regards to the fathers in the faith is specifically that was about the Borgia Popes if you know anything about the Borgia Popes I just described them as immoral murderous corrupt God-hating etc. Etc the idea being it doesn't matter that they were what they were as far as their behavior and their Their character is concerned they experienced baptism in the name of the Father Son Holy Spirit and therefore they are our brothers now.

Most of these folks would make a very quick assertion that The the elect are known only to God that is not our Purview and they would say look this is all just a matter of how we view The scriptures that is either we can look through the lens of the Covenants and view election in that way.

Or we can look through the lens of election of you the Covenant that way and this is the difference between us and so on. So forth, but it ends up having very important Ramifications in regards to how we view The evangelization of Roman Catholics.

So much so that's within the past couple of weeks. We had one AAPC individual very supportive of that movement who in essence in his writings indicated that Roman Catholics and Reformed Baptists need to sit down at the table with them to discuss God's truth.

In other words, we were put in the same position In relationship to them in regards to the need to discuss these issues and and so on so forth and so. What I'd like to do today is I'd like to look at this passage because I have raised and I keep requesting from individuals an Exegetical response and whenever I ask about Galatians 2 especially verses 4 5 I get well, you know You're just assuming that you're not Interpreting this within your Reformed Baptist perspective and you're bringing all these traditions and so I'd like to do is is I would like to look at the text and I would like to give you my Comments on it and then if any of those folks would like to call in and explain Where I have violated the sound canons of exegesis hermeneutics where I have imported my Customs I'd like to know where it is.

That would be very helpful. So far I can't get anyone to in essence do these things and and to to help me out in Understanding exactly why it is that that exegesis cannot bring us to a position of truly understanding What the scriptures have to say?

The the importance of doing exegesis we should note that we've noted it in the past. But let me note it again. The reason that we do exegesis is So that we can demonstrate our honor and obedience and love for God.

That's not normally why you hear people say we do exegesis, but you see when we do exegesis when we take the time and the effort to examine the grammar the syntax the close context the context within a particular Pericope the context within a particular author the context within the entire New Testament the background The history the setting the customs the impact of those customs upon language Sources used when citing other ancient documents such as the Septuagint etc. Etc. Etc when we take the time to engage those subjects and to equip ourselves To honestly handle the ancient text we are doing so not so we can then somehow lord this over someone else.

But we are doing this I do it so that I can teach within the context of the local church so that I can write so we can do this program and Do so in such a way as to honor God because you see if we don't do that.

Then what we're saying is we don't want to hear what God said and what he is saying Right now. Because remember Matthew chapter 22 tells us when we read the scriptures. That's God speaking. It's not what God said past tense only.

But God continues speaking we are approaching a divine text a supernatural text. There's no question about that, but you see if we don't do exegesis properly. Then in essence we are forcing our words into God's mouth.

We are forcing our traditions into God's Word and That's disrespectful to God. It does not show love for God. It does not show an appreciation for his truth and So though many people think it's it's somehow inherently Unspiritual opposed to The the the spirit of God to engage in the work of exegesis I can assure you that at least in my experience and I think there's a lot of folks who could Understand this and and and comment on themselves in my experience some of the deepest Spiritual experiences that I have ever had have been in the context of the close examination of the Word of God in doing exegesis.

It is not an unspiritual thing it is truly being spiritual in examining the text and so. With that in mind I'm going to go to Galatians chapter 2 and I would just like to Again, you know, it's always important to establish the context place.

What's your reading in a particular context so you can see what comes before and what and what comes after? Most folks know that Galatians is Without a doubt the most strident of all of Paul's writings.

When you translate the epistle itself you discover that it is it is written in such a form as to Separate it from the rest of Paul's epistles now. Obviously that doesn't become a ground for saying that it's it's somehow not written by Paul in any way shape or form.

The point is that that as he wrote this and he does indicate the end of the letter see what big letters I'm using and writing to you. It seems anyways, and there's different theories about this, but it seems he wrote it himself.

There's no immanuensis no scribe mentioned in this letter as there is and others like in Romans where he's named by name. So there's it's not dictated. It seems that Paul wrote this himself and as Being in that situation.

It's very obvious that his whole heart and emotions Were very much active in the writing of this this particular epistle the the Grammar and syntax is is is what you'd expect of a person who is very much involved and very much passionate and indeed shedding tears as The as he writes and addresses this particular issue.

And obviously we know what it's about we most of us know Galatians 1 6 through 9 the the anathema the condemnation of The false teachers and a false gospel the assertion in that passage these individuals specifically wish to pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ.

There's there's almost nothing at the beginning of the letter at all in regards to commending the churches in Galatia immediately goes into this tremendous attack upon false Teaching and false teachers who Paul never addresses in the second person.

He never says and you false teachers. He's writing to the churches in Galatia, but isn't it interesting that? Even though these individuals would be sitting there hearing when this letter was being written He does not address them.

He only addresses the church. Not the false teachers, which is very very interesting. Galatians chapter 2 begins with these words then after an interval of 14 years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas taking Titus along also.

It was because of a revelation that I went up and I submitted to them the gospel which I preached among the Gentiles. But I did so in private to those who are reputation for fear that I might be running or had run in vain.

But not even Titus who was with me though. He was a Greek was compelled to be circumcised. But it was because of the false brethren Secretly brought him who had sneaked in to spy out our Liberty which we have in Christ in order to bring us into bondage.

But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you and. Then he continues on to describe his relationship with those who were in Positions of authority and then even describes the tremendous encounter between himself and Peter at Antioch where he says again that that Peter was not walking according to the truth of the gospel.

That phrase is used twice Here in Galatians chapter 2 and It's obviously a very important word a very important phrase. I'm sorry. We'll look at it more in just a moment. But he says that that Peter and the others were not walking in.

The actual term is a verb I've used in in the past ortho podeo. It means to walk straight in accordance with the rule. They were not walking straight in accordance with the rule of the gospel what they were doing.

Violated the rule of the gospel itself. Well, obviously the gospel has to be discernible and understandable in Light of the fact that the Apostle Paul could speak to the church and he could talk about false Gospels and he could be amazed that they would be diluted by a false gospel and Obviously the gospel was well enough known that he could then hold Peter accountable to it as well.

Now someone might I guess make the argument that that's no longer the case. That that the scriptures are not sufficient to communicate that to us. But that would be the only way that a person could get around.

The clarity of the assertion that there is a truth of the gospel. It's knowable. It was known and Paul held the churches in Galatia accountable for knowing the truth of the gospel. So with that in mind, I would like to go back to Galatians 2 4 and 5 because that's where this issue has really Come up that's where it's been in been focused in the discussions that we have had with the with the very sundry individuals.

I Read the section again. This is from the New American Standard Bible, but it was because of the false brethren Suda Delphi. The the pseudo you can you can hear that pseudo meaning false Adele foos is the is the plural the the false brethren.

Now we know what pseudo is the the idea of a pseudonym and things like that. And so these are called false brethren. But it was because the false brethren secretly brought in who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty.

Which we have in Christ Jesus in order to bring us into bondage. But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour. So the truth of the gospel would remain with you now. Let's look at the text and let's see if we can can understand what it is that Paul is communicating understand the words within their context and.

And embrace them. Okay, but it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in. Now When we think of this phrase false brethren actually it's a single word two words put together. These individuals.

What was their relationship to Paul and to the Christians at? The in the various churches in Galatia well. Why call them false brethren? Well, I think the text helps us in a number of ways to understand this.

First of all even before the word false brethren appears. We have another term which the New American Standard translates as secretly brought in. It can also be translated. For example, the UBS lexicon defines that as brought in under false pretenses false pretenses.

Both of these terms would seem to direct us to the idea that these brethren Were within the fellowship they were brought in. But they were brought in under false pretenses. They did not have a true standing within the fellowship itself and that of course you know some of the some of the other terms that relate to this of course is that they they.

They they slipped in they snuck in. All of these terms refer to dishonesty they refer to some sort of of of lack of integrity these are individuals who are where they are, but they are not supposed to be there and It's interesting.

When Paul then describes, you know, they've been brought in secretly. They've been brought in on false pretenses. They've they've snuck in for what reason? Well, they snuck in to spy out our liberty and That's the that's a term.

It's simply used for spying. But when you spy do you spy on on your own family? No, you spy on others. We we don't spy upon our own nation. We spy upon another nation or they send spies over to our nation, etc, etc spies Again fit directly into the the terms the words that Paul is using here in regards to this concept of dishonesty and secrecy and Sneaking in that's what spies do and so they have snuck in to spy something else.

What is it to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus? So notice he refers to the false brethren. But he refers them the third person and then when he talks about the Christians he says our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus and Then having said that He then explains why why would they sneak in to spy these things out?

What what were they looking for? What was their purpose remember in Galatians chapter 1? He had already said the false teachers themselves. It was their purpose to pervert the gospel to twist the gospel of Christ.

He he does not say this was done Innocently on their part. This was not done simply because they were not well taught or something these individuals wanted to pervert the gospel of Christ and Here in Galatians 2 for the verse ends with the phrase in order to bring us into bondage.

We have liberty we have freedom and he uses two terms here, which are well-known antonyms the first term for freedom or liberty and then he uses the very term that means make a slave of and it's a an emphatic term and So he's using two strong Contrasting words.

We have liberty in Christ Jesus. But they want to bring us into bondage and later in the epistle He will talk more about this and he will say that you see they want to see you circumcised. They want to see you Engage in circumcision enter into their viewpoint so as to bring you into bondage.

This is the difference between the freedom that is in Christ and the bondage that they are in. Nowhere does he ever indicate these people are in Christ Jesus in fact that would violate the very contrast that he's attempting to present and So he says it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in who had sneaked in to spy out our liberties we have in Christ Jesus in Order to bring us into bondage.

They want to remove us From that state of liberty in Christ Jesus and instead place us into a position of Bondage that was their purpose. Paul continues he says but we we the the leaders of the church Did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour.

So the truth of the gospel would remain with you. Now I personally think this is one of the most important verses in in the New Testament. We did not yield in subjection them. They brought force against us.

They sought to accomplish their goal, which was in order to bring us into bondage. But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour for any period of time whatsoever. Ever. There was never a time where we gave in to their demands.

There was never a time when we gave consideration to exchanging the liberty that we have in Christ Jesus. For the bondage that they sought to bring us into. Now someone may well ask. Did they know at the time That these false brethren had snuck in that they were false brethren and How then does Paul in looking back at this situation?

Identify them as false brethren. What? What? Basis what grounds? Does Paul use to identify them as false brethren? Well, that's very very important. And we still need to look at the phrase so the truth the gospel would remain with you.

But we have gone through our first half hour of the program already when we come back I'll continue that and then we'll take the one phone call we have on the subject of solo scripture and we'll be right back.

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And so we are examining Galatians chapter 2. And I just asked the question How is it that Paul knew that these were false brethren. False brethren do not come into the fellowship? Wearing pink and purple polka dots and signs around their neck and say I am a false brother my claim of brotherhood is False it is it has no reality I am.

I have been secretly brought in. I've snuck in to spy out The Liberty that you have in Christ Jesus because I'm seeking to bring you into bondage. They don't come with owners manuals that tell you how to handle the false brethren within the fellowship.

And we know that this very same Apostle in Acts chapter 20 said that men would arise From the very ranks of the eldership and would speak perverse things now. If we are to know who these people are we must have some means of so doing.

There has to be some objective revelation. It has to be some objective standard to which we can appeal to be able to recognize these individuals. And if we've gotten to the point today where we can't tell the difference between a Reformed Baptist and one of the Borgia Popes.

Then the scriptures we might as well just sell all of our Bibles that have the nice Pages in them to be rolled for cigarettes. I mean that's about the only thing they'd be worth having because otherwise they have absolutely no meaning to us any longer if the the knowledge of what the gospel is Has been so Completely corrupted and lost to us that we have to look elsewhere to find out so.

How did Paul know that these were false? Well, it's because of what they did. Because of what they taught because of their activities he was able to determine in. After afterwards, he doesn't say anything about having some some supernatural revelation where God, you know gave him this this dream.

And and all the false teachers glowed in a certain color. In fact, he even identifies them as false brethren on the basis of what their desires were. They wanted to bring us into bondage. They wanted to bring us into subjection.

But we did not yield in the subjection to them for even an hour. And why? Why not? I mean, it's you certainly get along a whole lot easier today if you just simply Give it if you just yield in subjection if you wouldn't be so Pig-headed as people would say that I am.

Well, that last phrase is extremely important. So that the truth of the gospel would remain with you. You see the wonderful promise of Scripture is that the truth of the gospel abides with God's people and If they had yielded if those Apostles in that that sensitive precious time of the primitive church had yielded in subjection the truth of the Gospel would have been destroyed.

It would have been obliterated but you see that's not God's purpose for his church. God's purpose for his church is we would always have the truth with us that is the promise has been given to us and God is sovereign over all things and he has overruled men's desires and He strengthened the Apostles and gave them insight so that they would not yield in subjection to these false brethren.

So that the truth the gospel would remain with you and it has remained with us. You see if these individuals had brought us into bondage. That's not the gospel. That is not the truth of the gospel. Paul had already said there's only one gospel and When someone preaches another gospel to you, it's not really another.

It's a perversion. It may use the same terms. It may use the same language the people who preach it may try to act like you and talk like you. But it's not the truth of the gospel. Paul did not act. Like many people today act because you see.

Let's make application. Now. Let's ask some questions of the texts that we've looked at these individuals had been brought in. They had snuck in. They claimed to be brethren. They were obviously in some situation to be in dialogue.

This was not some external religious body that came along and said hey, let's have some ecumenical discussions. These people were in the fellowship they claimed to be brethren, but they were false brethren I mentioned before and I if you're if you're actually following along in your in your Bible turn over to Acts chapter 20 because I just want to Emphasize this and I know we've got some some calls and I'm sorry.

I I think this is important to cover though Acts chapter 20 verse 28 be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. To shepherd the Church of God which he purchased with his own blood.

I Know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you not sparing the flock and from among your own Selves. Men will arise speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them speaking perverse things.

Perverse things now, what does that what does that mean? Well, these obviously have to do with teachings and they will from among your own selves. These men will arise speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them.

Therefore be on the alert Paul says to The elders there in Ephesus we make an application then obviously there are those who while they may claim to be our brothers are not. They may look like us. They may be baptized like us.

It is hard to imagine That these individuals would have been in a position to be dialoguing with the very leaders of the church in regards to the nature of the gospel and the nature of circumcision and the Christian faith had they not even taken the first step in Trying to make themselves look like Christian disciples.

So here you have baptized individuals who are in the church. They even may be in positions of leadership. They certainly are in Acts 20 Because they arise from the eldership. You don't become an elder if you're not baptized.

They're baptized men and Paul says they're false brethren Pseudedelphoi false brethren and it's their purpose to pervert the gospel of Christ and to bring us into bondage, so the question I would ask is Is Where is that wrong?

Where is what I said wrong in regards to Texas is the text insufficient to tell us these things? Am I just making these things up are the words on the page? Do they no longer have meaning because of Plato.

Because of the Enlightenment Enlightenment. These were written before the Enlightenment and yet it seems that Paul functioned on the basis of an absolute truth here. He seemed to understand very discreet propositions words that had meaning and we can determine what the meaning was when he said them and if we can do that, are we then not responsible as These are God's words Living words To apply them today.

I think that we do now if if I've read some tradition here. What is it? Where did it come in? Where did it cause me to to miss? The meaning of a term the the the syntax the syntactical relationship between words.

What what is it? That's what I would like To understand that's what I would like to know. It's seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one now. I don't think that either of our callers right now Actually called to discuss that particular issue.

But the first question is at least somewhat Related there and so let's go ahead and talk with Fred from I don't know what Canyon Country is. What in the world is Canyon Country can't okay any country, California.