Steve Meister on Trinitarian Errors (Part 1)

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Welcome to No Compromise Radio Ministry. My name is Mike Abendroth, and we continue to have these wonderful guest messages.

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Steve Meister was in town, and he did a Sunday school here at Bethlehem Bible Church about the

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Trinity. Five mistakes people make about the Trinity, and I wanted you to hear parts one and two here on No Compromise Radio.

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So today, without further ado, here's Steve Meister at Bethlehem Bible Church when it comes to the

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Trinity. I asked Mike, Sunday school, and he said, hey, why don't we talk about five mistakes that you should avoid on the

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Trinity? I said, okay, we can do that. So that's what we're gonna do this morning. So I have like three hours worth of stuff on my notes here.

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So we'll just kind of walk through some things. We want to think about our God, and maybe this is something of an appendix if it was looked at the doctrine of God last year, and think about him as Triune and who he is, and common mistakes that Christians and frankly

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Christian teachers make that we want to avoid to help us think rightly about who God is and to understand the gospel rightly, which is so significant.

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In the fourth century, Augustine said, in the case of those which inquire into the unity of the Trinity, is no subject error more dangerous, inquiry more laborious, or the discovery of truth more profitable?

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And he's exactly right. As we think about God, we find our rest in him. And also if we get

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God wrong, the dangers of those errors are quite catastrophic. Fourteen centuries later,

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Bobbink said the same thing. He said, in the confession of the Trinity, we have the heartbeat of the Christian religion.

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Every error results from or is retraceable to a departure in the doctrine of the

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Trinity. So you think about all the ways that the gospel is misconstrued and corrupted.

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It can be traced back to errors in God's Triunity. So I just want to think about five this morning.

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That's how many Mike said to pick. There are more errors, but we'll think about five basic ones and things that we five way things that Christians forget when they think about the

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Trinity, that all our words about God are analogical, and we'll talk about that. Everything we say about God is analogical.

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We'll look at all, you need unity to say Trinity. That if we don't confess the oneness of God, his

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Triunity makes no sense. Thirdly, we're going to think about how divine persons are not people.

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So we don't want to think of the Father, Son, and Spirit like three people, three humans. That the

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Triune God wills and works as one. And then finally, hopefully we have some time, the Trinity is ultimately for adoration, not for explanation.

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We're not trying to comprehend who God is. We're trying to adore him as Triune. So let's think about probably the longest and the hardest.

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Everything we say about God is analogical. The words we use of God and the words

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God uses of himself, even in the Bible, is analogical. What do we mean by that?

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We're saying, one, in the big picture that God is condescending to speak to us. So Augustine in the 4th century again said,

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Scripture suits itself as to babes, that God is speaking to his children. Calvin said that God lisps to us as a nurse is wanted to do to their children, that God is cooing to us.

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It's baby, the Bible's baby talk. God is condescending to us. And to put it up more clarity on that specificity, we say that Scripture and all our words about God are analogical.

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That is, when we use words that we're familiar with in human experience about on to God, that they are similar, but not the same, and that the word we use refers to each reference, us and God, proper to our natures.

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So let's unwind that a little bit and think about it in comparison to what we're denying. So what we're saying is that the words we use about God are not univocal.

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So univocal, univocal, one voice. They're not identical. So if I say, if I use the word blue, and I say that he had a blue jacket and she had a blue dress, the word blue in those statements is univocal.

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It means the same thing, right? The color blue. So when we are talking about God, our words are not univocal.

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They're not identical, because us and God are not identical. They're also not equivocal.

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So, equivocal, two voices. They're not entirely different. So if I were to say, he sang the blues in blue suede shoes, the word blue in that statement is equivocal.

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One refers to a musical genre, the blues, and one again is a color, right? Blue suede shoes, same word, but two totally different meanings.

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So our words about God are not univocal, they're not equivocal, they're analogical.

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So when you say as an analogy, they're similar, but not the same. So if I were to say, he listened to the blues because he was blue, that's an analogical use of blue.

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One, the blues is a musical genre, and feeling blue, depressed, discouraged, sad, those are not entirely different, because the reason we call it the blues is because it sounds like what?

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Like when you're blue, it's a music in a minor key. And so that's what we're saying when we talk about God.

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Now we do this intuitively. Let's take the word love. I can say, I love double double in and out in California animal style, and I love my wife.

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And you know, intuitively, I do not mean love in the same way in those two sentences.

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I don't love my wife the same way I love a double double meal in and out. You intuitively make an adjustment that I'm using love in that statement proper to the nature of a hamburger and a wife, and you understand there's differences.

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In the same way, we remember the distinction of our natures between us and God when we talk about love.

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When we love something, the loveliness of what we love is drawn out of us.

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It's brought forth from us. Does God love us because he saw what was lovely in us?

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He looked down the corridors of time and saw how beloved you were and decided he just couldn't live in eternity without you.

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No, right? No, so God's love actually is not what Luther said in the Heidelberg Disputation that God's love does not find but creates what is lovely to it.

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So God's love is actually generative. It's not responsive. It's creative.

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God's love bestows goodness upon the object of his love. He wills to love.

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He doesn't respond in love. But we can say we love and God loves.

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They're similar, but they're not the same at all. So as we think about God's trinity, we're remembering this important fundamental principle of analogy, that everything is an analogical between us and God.

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So when we think of the divine names, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, we never forget the analogical nature of those words, of those names, and we need to remove all the creaturely connotations that we have in our minds as we think about fatherhood and sonship and even of spirit.

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I'm a father. I'm a father four times over, but I became a father. I did not always exist as a father.

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I became a father by change, by procreation, all these kind of things. None of that is true of the

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Eternal Father, of God the Father. So when we think of the eternal begottenness of the

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Son, we're talking about a non -physical, non -sequential, non -temporal act.

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So then what's the point of the analogy? What's the similarity? Origin.

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As a son is like his father and originates in him, so the

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Father communicates the divine essence to the Son in an eternal, non -temporal, non -sequential, simple act.

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That's why Jesus says in John 5 26, as the Father has life in himself, so he's granted the Son to have life in himself.

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So we look at the origin of the Son proceeding from the Father. Or what about spirit?

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We think of the Holy Spirit. In the Bible, the word translated spirit in Hebrew is ruach, in Greek is pneuma, and they both can be translated as wind or as breath.

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It basically means moving air. But does God have moving air in himself?

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So what's the analogy? Well, we breathe, we inhale our moving air, and we exhale the air outside of us.

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We depend on our environment for life. So the origin, the analogy, is life.

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Just as we're alive, God is alive. We have life in us by the breath we derive outside of us in the environment.

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God has life in himself and derives none of it from but any of himself. He is spirit.

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He's the very fountain of life. That's why the Bible refers to the God the Spirit as the

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Spirit of the living God, the Spirit who gives life. Romans 8 11, 2

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Corinthians 3 3, repeatedly the Spirit is identified with life. So we see that we live and God lives.

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So these are, we call these the Father and Son, we call these social analogies. We also have psychological analogies in the

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Bible to refer to the persons of God. The social analogies help us distinguish the

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Father from the Son from the Spirit, and the psychological analogies help us always unite them as one

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God. So we think of the Son as also called what in the New Testament? He's the

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Word. He's, in Hebrews 1 3, he's the radiance of the glory of God.

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He's shining forth from the Father. So the eternal relation of the Father and Son is also analogous to a word, a procession of intellect.

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Just as your words proceed from you as a thought internal to you, but are identified with you and remaining in your mind, so the

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Son proceeds from the Father while remaining internal to God. So the procession of the Son from the

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Father is as the Word, just as our words proceed from us and indicate something internal to us.

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Or what about the Spirit? The Spirit is also the analogy of love. Notice in your

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New Testament, as you notice the work of the Spirit, how often the Spirit is identified with the love that God creates in us for Him.

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So for example, in 1 John 4, we have the well -known statement in verse 8, God is love.

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And then in verses 12 to 13, John writes, if we love one another, God abides in us, and his love is perfected in us.

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By this we know that we abide in him, and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

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So John identifies God abiding in us and his love with us with his Spirit being with us.

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Paul does the same thing in Romans 5. And we describe this not as a procession of intellect like the

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Word, but as the procession of the will. Just as your love proceeds from you, but remains within you, so the

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Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, remaining internal to God.

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Or sometimes we'll reflect on the Spirit being the bond of love between the Father and Son in God Himself.

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And we find these analogies mutually enlightening as we pull the logic of Scripture together.

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So we can think of Word and Spirit. How do breath and speech go together?

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Well, you can't have one without the other. Can you speak without breathing? Try to say a word without exhaling air.

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It's impossible. And you can't have word without breath and no breath without word.

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So the Word and Spirit are inseparable, just as the Son and Spirit are inseparable. And so when we think of these analogies, we think about how

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God is revealing himself to us and the inseparability of the persons of God in the one triune

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God. And to raise our thoughts one more step on this last very deep point, the

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God who spoke all things into existence designed everything for us to understand

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Him as who He is. So it's not that God saw that there were fathers, and He thought, you know what, my creation understands fathers, so I'll take up that name to describe the fatherhood of God.

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Or God saw our environment as depending on expiration of carbon dioxide in the respiratory system and said, you know what,

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I'll use spirit as analogy. You know, He created all things, including our living and breathing and depending on breath.

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He created fatherhood and progeny and all that we understand of procreation with the intention that these would be the very means that we would conceptually understand who

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He is. All of creation is a theater for His glory, and the God who is

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Father, Son, and Spirit made all things that we might have a conception and understanding of who

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God is. And even our very engagement with ourselves is a revealing of the triune

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God. So as we think about the names that God reveals of Himself as Father and of Son and of Spirit, we want to remember they're always analogical.

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We want to remove any creaturely connotations, and we want to think about the similarity that God intends to communicate that we would better understand

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Him. That's the longest thing to remember, and it's often misunderstood. Any questions on that point?

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Anything lack clarity? Or we could go even deeper on? That's a massive point.

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Lull everyone into a false sense of security. Okay, let's think secondly then about unity to say

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Trinity. The most important thing about Trinity that people forget, secondly, is that it begins with the oneness of God.

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And the basic emphasis of the Bible is the oneness of God. In fact, one theologian said that the

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Bible is a continual emphasis upon the unity of God with an appendix that he happens to be three.

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And he may be over -arguing the point, but not by much. What he's saying is the main thing the Bible emphasizes is there's only one

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God. And we can see the significance of that because the main default for humanity and human religion is what?

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It's polytheism. That's the basic default of human religion. And so when we think of monotheism or the significance of the unity and singularity of God, Trinity is not in tension with that.

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The Trinity, the trinity of God is not trying to solve the problem of monotheism. It is explaining how the one

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God is. How is he? He is Father, Son, and Spirit. One example is in 1st

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Corinthians 8. In 1st Corinthians 8, the Apostle Paul takes the Shema which is the basic confession of Israel in Deuteronomy 6 .4.

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The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And Paul expands and explains that and applies it in 1st

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Corinthians 8 verses 4 and 6. He says this, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol has no real existence and that there is no

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God but one. For although there are many, there may be so -called gods in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is one

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God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one

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Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

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What Paul does, he takes the three key terms of the Shema, God, Lord, and one, and he says it applies to the

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Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, both of whom are God.

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And we know that that's being emphasized. He says it's both from both of whom are all things.

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So Paul takes Jesus and puts him in the God category, because from God are all things.

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And he says Jesus belongs in that category. So the Son is God and the

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Shema properly applies to him, the one who has dwelt among us and become flesh. So when he describes who

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God is, he is the one God, is Father, Son, and Spirit, and the

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Trinity is not in tension with the oneness of God. It's an explanation of how God is one.

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Now, we must always remember unity in Trinity or a temptation will always be to go with the drift of human instincts and consider the

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Trinity as basically a big community in heaven, like human society.

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Or we'll think of the Father, Son, and Spirit like we think of other people, as three separate people with the same nature.

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Or even as a divine council that we just call God, like many polytheistic religions will have a pantheon of deities, a sort of council or congress of deities.

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And so the reason we confess God as triune is in the yun part, because he's one.

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If God were not one, we wouldn't need Trinity. We could just be polytheists like everyone else.

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Sometimes I like to say the word triunity for that very reason, so you don't lose the unity of it.

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And as we think about then our God as revealed in his word, we're reminded if we think about it mathematically or according to numbers, you don't need three to explain

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God. Because we can always say what the Bible says. That there is one God.

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The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God. You don't need to say three, but you absolutely need to say one.

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Because if you only say the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, what conception is left out there as a possibility?

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Oh, that we have three gods. So you have to emphasize, as the Bible does over and over and over again,

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God is one. And so that's what Scripture does. God is one.

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And how is the one God? In what way does the one God exist? Well, he exists as the

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Father, eternally begetting the Son, and with the Son, breathing forth the

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Spirit. That's how the one God exists. So the essential number, when you think about the

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Trinity, is not actually three. The essential number for the Trinity is one.

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You always need one if you're going to count to God. Now, why is that significant?

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It's absolutely vital if you and I are going to hold forth the gospel rightly to the world today.

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So when I went to college, I went to a drifting liberal arts college, liberal in more ways than one,

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Christian College, and I took a class on theological ethics, and we had to read a book about how the cross and the substitutionary atonement of the

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Lord Jesus was actually divine child abuse. And we need to get different paradigms for the gospel.

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Now, I had the same reaction you did, but I didn't know how to explain it. I was just a college kid, but I'd read the Bible, and I thought, well, that doesn't seem to make sense.

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The Bible doesn't talk about the cross as child abuse. But if we think about how sometimes some analogies and illustrations that are used for the gospel, we can sometimes unwittingly give that kind of connotation.

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And I know as a pastor, I've met many, many professing Christians who think somehow

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Jesus is the loving God protecting them from the angry father. Have you ever maybe thought that yourself or run into that in the church?

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Certainly. But remember, God is one. Is the

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God and father of the Lord Jesus a different God from the God, the Son, who assumed human nature to take it upon himself to live a perfect life for Adam's race and die on the cross for the sins?

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Are they different gods? No. So one God. And it's vital that we understand that.

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If they are different gods, then God has not revealed himself in Jesus. We've had some kind of sub deity and the real

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God is hiding somewhere behind the curtain somewhere. And when we think about the gospel, we remember that the gospel is that God saves us from God by God and brings us to God through God that we would glorify

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God forever. That works if you sit and think about it, it does. Trust me. That's the gospel.

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And so as we think about then the love of God being demonstrated in Christ, in his death and his resurrection, and that there is no dissonance between God's eternal love that sent the

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Son to satisfy his own justice and on the cross, the offended

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God in human nature and the person of the Son is dying for to suffer his own justice as God.

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And so it's really, really significant that we think about who

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God is as one as we think about the gospel. It's vital. And what it just means is that we're always have a double way of speaking as we think about God.

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We're always going back and forth like on a seesaw between the unity and the triunity, the threeness of God.

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I like my probably my favorite patristic author, Gregory of Nazianzus, or you can always remember by his rapper name,

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Genas. So Genas said this. No sooner do I conceive of the one than I am illumined by the splendor of the three.

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No sooner do I distinguish them that I am carried back to the one. When I think of any one of the three,

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I think of him as a whole and my eyes are filled and the greater part of what I think escapes me. I cannot grasp the greatness of the one so as to attribute a greater greatness to the rest.

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When I contemplate the three together, I see one torch and cannot divide or measure out undivided light.

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It's excellent. And that's that's the confession of the Christian. We consider the three together and we cannot divide indivisible light.

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Our triune God is absolutely one. Let me hit the third thing and then

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I'll pause to see if we clarify anything. The third thing we neglect that needs to be added right to this is divine persons are not people.

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So when we use the word person for the Trinity, we're not talking about people. When you and I use person in common conversation, we're thinking about a separate individual being.

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That's how we think of person in the modern in the modern day. But person in in the

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Trinity is the personal subsistence of the father, son and spirit as God.

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And that's why some confessions like the second London refer to three subsistence is it has less devotional, you know, devotional connotations.

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But it's it's a bit more precise. A subsistence is an individual instance of a given nature.

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And because the divine nature of God, the singular nature of God is indivisible and simple and singular, then we're not talking about three beings.

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We're talking about three instances of how the one God is. So we remember there's no division in God.

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So as we think about human persons, we're thinking about three separate beings of a shared or common nature.

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And we are separate because our nature is not simple. It's not singular like God's nature.

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But God is wholly different. And when we we remember that when we talk about the persons of the father, son and spirit person has always been a bit imperfect.

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It's been a challenge for the church. Remember, we talked about in our first point with analogy. We're we're using this analogically.

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We don't mean everything we always mean when we say person amongst ourselves. In fact, when the word person was first introduced into talk about God, about the third century, second century, it referred to a mask.

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It actually was the persona that actors put on in a play. It didn't refer to individual human people.

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If it did, they probably probably never would have used it. Well, there you have it. Part one of Steve Meister's message on the

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Trinity and how to think rightly about the Trinity delivered here at Bethlehem Bible Church. You can write us for more information about Steve's ministry, or you can go to Emmanuel Baptist Church, Sacramento, California's website and listen to more